In Preparation For This Afternoon’s American Rugby-ish Semifinals…

Given that the recreational enjoyment of that ever-popular friend, Mary Jane, is now legal in both the states in which NFL conference championships will be decided today, I can’t think of a better musical commentary than this one:

Party w. discretion y’all, mindful of the state of the law in the state you are.
Oh, and of course:  Go Pats! Go Niners!
Open thread, folk.
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198 replies
  1. 1
    2liberal says:

    should have been called: “The Patriots Victory open thread” but that’s just me.

  2. 2
    Steeplejack says:

    I’m leaning Seahawks and Broncos. Wouldn’t kill me if the Patriots win, but for some unknown reason that has only recently come to light I don’t like the 49ers. Go figure.

  3. 3
    Tom Levenson says:

    @Steeplejack: Born, raised in the Bay Area, lived for the last ~three decades in/around Boston. Got no choice, me.

  4. 4
    Chickamin Slam says:

    Screw the Patriots. How many rings does Brady or Belichick need anyways? Enough to adorn all their digits? 11? Is Bill Belichick the Phil Jackson of the NFL? Is he having a “Zen” moment now?

    America cannot afford the Patriots in another Super Bowl. It’s against Freedom or Jesus or something.

  5. 5
    Geoduck says:

    I’m a Seahawks fan, but I’m pulling for Denver, just because it would be amusing to have the two former AFC West rivals end up facing each other in the Super Bowl.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack: I’ll be pro-Seahawks because of Russell Wilson and because fuck the ‘Niners. I prefer Brady to Manning, but there’s Monte Ball. So who knows?

  7. 7
    p.a. says:

    Denver 34 Pats 14. Brady’s window slams shut as Pat’s management cheaps out on wideouts again. I’m not bitter, I saw them win 3. 3 more then I ever hoped for in the dark days post-Chuck Fairbanks.

  8. 8
    rikyrah says:

    I want to see this exhibit:

    Exhibit Shows Adelman’s Civil Rights-Era Photos
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    JAN. 19, 2014, 11:39 A.M. E.S.T.

    MIAMI BEACH, Fla. — Flipping through a stack of color images he shot during a 1965 march from Selma to Montgomery, Ala., photographer Bob Adelman is casual about the history they represent.

    He pauses at the image of a group of people with clasped hands raised in victory at a Montgomery, Ala., cab stand, where people had gathered during the city’s long bus boycott a decade earlier, and calls them “real King fans.” Pointing to the second floor of the Alabama Capitol, behind a line of green-helmeted troops, he chuckles as he remembers, “Gov. Wallace was hiding behind the curtains up there.”

    Then there’s the man with his fist raised in mid-speech, whom he calls “Doc” — better known as the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

    “Now they seem like momentous events. At the time, they were covered in the back pages of newspapers, for the most part. The only time blacks appeared in newspapers at that time was when there was violence,” Adelman said.

    The images are among roughly 150 assembled at Nova Southeastern University’s Museum of Art-Fort Lauderdale for an exhibit marking the half-century since the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.

    Adelman volunteered his services as a photographer to the Congress of Racial Equality and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. He went on to shoot the covers of national magazines and the front pages of national newspapers, but he always considered himself an activist.

    “Unlike photojournalists trying to get the shot, this is somebody that is part of the circle really recognizing the role he can play in bringing about change through his images,” museum director Bonnie Clearwater said.

    The exhibit is titled “The Movement,” referring to both the efforts to end segregation in America and Adelman’s aesthetic as a photographer, Clearwater said.

    Adelman wanted to capture the spirit of the demonstrations on film, but frame after frame focuses on bodies — how the people in the movement physically moved.

    Another image from the march to Montgomery shows King and his wife at the front of a crowd that seems endless behind them, in spite of the rain that has dampened their clothes. The descendants of enslaved people who had no rights to their own bodies were marching en masse across a landscape in which signs and white people told black people where they could and could not go.

    “I told my friends, ‘This is history,’ even though it was not apparent to many people,” Adelman said. “I thought this using your body to try to change things, whether you tried to vote or went to the bathroom or you were trying to go into a movie theater or whatever — that was inescapable and it was I guess very, very provocative and confrontational.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....hy.html?hp

  9. 9
    Corner Stone says:

    @Steeplejack: I am against all things Harbaugh.

  10. 10
    2liberal says:

    @Chickamin Slam:

    Screw the Patriots. How many rings does Brady or Belichick need anyways? Enough to adorn all their digits? 11? Is Bill Belichick the Phil Jackson of the NFL? Is he having a “Zen” moment now?America cannot afford the Patriots in another Super Bowl. It’s against Freedom or Jesus or something.

    the patriots haven’t won it all since the 2004 season. Its time! They deserve it for playing so well for so long. And so do their fans (like me) deserve it. I want a Pats Super victory that isn’t by a field goal.

  11. 11
    PsiFighter37 says:

    After 5.5 hours, I am finally housing the famed brisket at Franklin’s. Phenomenally delicious, but it’s hard to justify waiting so long.

  12. 12
    Corner Stone says:

    @rikyrah:

    “The (Occupy) Wall Street people — I think the whole country was outraged at Wall Street’s behavior, but they didn’t have a plan. It was more emotional, it had no stated goals other than protest,” Adelman said.

    Does anyone think we would be talking about income inequality, our disparate economy and the poor without the Occupy struggle?

  13. 13
    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    I beseech of the Flying Spaghetti Monster but one thing: No Broncos-Niners Super Bowl.

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    the Conster says:

    @p.a.:

    I’m with ya, that’s the most likely outcome. Wouldn’t it be fun though to watch Brady carry his team of misfit toys, once again, and win his final one, in the Jets home stadium? Against the Niners? That would be an epic finish to a magical career, forever vanquishing the stench of those Schaefer Stadium years.

  15. 15
    Betty Cracker says:

    Go Broncos! Go Sea-hens!

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    Roger Moore says:

    @2liberal:

    the patriots haven’t won it all since the 2004 season.

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for the Pats because they couldn’t win in their last two tries? Besides, the Broncos haven’t won the Superbowl since the 1998 season, so complaints about how long it’s been since winning one seem unreasonable.

  17. 17
    raven says:

    All I ask are two great fucking games. It’s nice not to give a shit who wins and loses.

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    kdaug says:

    @PsiFighter37: I did say “once in a lifetime”. Bucket list, and all that.

    How long are you down for?

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    JPL says:

    @the Conster: this.. It is a team of misfits though but after last week’s win, who knows what will happen. I’d feel better about it if it were a home game though.

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    Lizzy L says:

    I live in the Bay Area. I used to watch the Niners play at the Stick in the 80s. I once shook Ronnie Lott’s hand.

    Go Niners!

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    Geoduck says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Besides, the Broncos haven’t won the Superbowl since the 1998 season, so complaints about how long it’s been since winning one seem unreasonable.

    cough cough. Except for a couple of wins by the Storm, the women’s basketball team, the Seattle area hasn’t had a professional sports championship since the 70’s. Only Cleveland has managed to rack up a greater record of futility.

  22. 22
    raven says:

    @Lizzy L: Did he have all his fingers then?

  23. 23
    raven says:

    Well, let’s see, upon further review. Champ and Knowshon, go Denver!

  24. 24
    LanceThruster says:

    It’s in God’s hands now.

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    Linnaeus says:

    Gotta cheer for the Pats, if for nothing more than I like Brady better than Manning. And I’m glad I have the Seahawks to cheer for, given that my natal NFL team has some work to do, still.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Lizzy L: High four!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Linnaeus:

    my natal NFL team

    I…uhhh…?

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    Anoniminous says:

    Have to root for the Niners. I used to go jogging* with Jerry Rice and Roger Craig.

    * Meaning we’d be on the track at the same time during the off season with them running 2 laps for every one of mine.

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    Baud says:

    The bobble pass!

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    raven says:

    @Anoniminous: Roger with that high step!

  31. 31
    Corner Stone says:

    Decker just cheerleader slapped that cheer enthusiast!

  32. 32
    p.a. says:

    @JPL: #&%*ing Miami loss cost home field.

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    KG says:

    @Geoduck: San Diego has never won a title, and like Seattle, lost a basketball team… Ok, it lost the Clippers which is sorta like losing a basketball team. Cleveland has definitely had the worst of it though

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    p.a. says:

    @Corner Stone: @Linnaeus: there was an NFL franchise in South Africa?

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    Baud says:

    The sun really is our greatest nemesis.

  36. 36
    Anoniminous says:

    @raven:

    I can also claim to have partied with Montana.

    We bought our booze at the same liquor store.

    (Touched with Greatness, I is.)

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    Yatsuno says:

    @Linnaeus: Allez les Seahacks. Though I find myself dreading this game for no logical reason.

  38. 38
    Baud says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Hannah or Joe?

  39. 39
    kindness says:

    I think it’ll be Denver. The late game is too close to call. But I do want the Niners.

  40. 40
    Corner Stone says:

    A couple weird opening drives so far. I guess that’s what happens when you have a couple rookie QB’s.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Baud:

    Ralph. He sold those pre-stale bags of peanuts at the ‘Stick.

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    raven says:

    @Anoniminous: I partied with Studwell and Gar Fencik for reals.

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    kindness says:

    @KG: Being friends with several Cleveland folk they have convinced me every management they’ve had in the last 40 years have been idiots. Bad trades, bad draft choices, bad coaches. To me that means bad owners. And Cleveland has had a couple. The original Browns went to Baltimore. Model screwed ’em right there.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Just watching through some of today’s The Kornack on MSNBC. If there has ever been a better NJ pol for Jon Stewart to do an impression of other than Jon Bramnick (R) NJ Assembly Minority Leader, I have yet to see them.
    That guy screams Daily Show lampooning.

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    The Sailor says:

    Is the fix in for the Pats?
    Bizarre play calling by the zebras.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    I do like the idea of the Patriots getting to the handegg final with a squad made up of Brady plus a pile of spare parts. Also, fuck Papa John. Seattle all the way on the NFC side, though.

  47. 47
    Corner Stone says:

    @Anoniminous: God. Stale nuts. What an awful human being.

  48. 48
    burnspbesq says:

    I’m not sure I want to know how this happened, but my kid somehow got invited to go to the game in Seattle. In a corporate suite.

  49. 49
    Corner Stone says:

    @The Sailor: Yes. The refs are still planning to fuck the Colts in this game.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @raven:

    OK. You win.

    Living in Belmont, a small city south of San Francisco, in the late 80s it was impossible to avoid running into Niners. And retired mafiosi. The first made it an interesting town as one never knew who one would see. The second made it a very safe town as nobody could be quite sure they weren’t robbing “Banana Nose” Maldoni.

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    doug r says:

    @Corner Stone: Yup. Occupy the voting booth. OFA.

  52. 52
    Anoniminous says:

    @Corner Stone:

    But remember, one can always wash the taste away with a $10 cup of watery beer.

    (Why I no longer go to pro sports games. Reason #17)

  53. 53
    doug r says:

    @Anoniminous: Dave Cutler was my Cross Country teacher in grade 8.

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    Corner Stone says:

    How did Welker adjust to that pass?

  55. 55
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Anoniminous: Part of a branch of my wife’s family lived in the Bronx in the 70’s and 80’s (Bonfire of the Vanities-era Bronx, if you get my drift) on a street so safe you didn’t have to lock your car. Same reason: some of their neighbors were known to be the types of independent businessmen whom it was exceedingly unsafe to upset.

  56. 56
    Corner Stone says:

    He was absolutely holding Decker.

  57. 57
    Corner Stone says:

    He got the 1st

  58. 58
    The Sailor says:

    Omaha, Omaha, Omaha!

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  60. 60
    monkeyfister says:

    I am making these delicious creamy shrimp enchiladas. Thay are delicious before they are done! http://www.the-girl-who-ate-ev.....divas.html

    Ready for half-time activities.

  61. 61
    Baud says:

    Too late, Chevy.

  62. 62
    Goblue72 says:

    @Corner Stone: we could possibly be talking about it even more if Occupy hadn’t devolved into a sh$itshow fail parade of homeless encampments and anarchist douchenozzles.

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    @raven: This.

    @Geoduck: Gaia save us, this, too. I live vicariously through the winning teams of other cities.

    @kindness: OK, I’m gonna go load up the bong and then eat some brownies, you guys are killing me with all the ruminating on Cleveland.

  64. 64
    Corner Stone says:

    @Goblue72: You’re right. I guess we could still be talking about the fucking deficit, non-stop. Like every god damned politician was for two years until that point.
    Sorry they let you down.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I guess we could also still be talking about all the voter registration success ACORN has accomplished. Wonder whatever happened to them, anyway?

  66. 66
    raven says:

    Early look at culinary themes for superbowl jam. Last time the Pat’s were in my wife made Whoopie Pies!

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    Corner Stone says:

    I seem to recall ACORN had a goal, a mission statement, and a plan. Probably produced a few powerpoints also.
    Where’d they go, anyway?

  68. 68

    … and if the Broncos want to put it away, they’re going to have really run up the score. Three times this year I’ve seen the Patriots conjure up wins out of being down in points, yards, first downs, pick a stat. Watching people heading for the exits at Gillette, giving up on the home team, only to have the home team turn around and win it anyway, in ‘hahaha, fuck all you all’ style.

    @Goblue72: FREE MUMIA

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    Corner Stone says:

    That was a fantastic open field tackle!

  70. 70
    Baud says:

    Damn good D there.

  71. 71
    Betty Cracker says:

    The mister briefly mistook Der Gropenfuhrer Schwartzenegger in his wig and tennis get-up for Martina Navratilova. Yikes.

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    Scout211 says:

    Go Niners, of course!

    However, if Seattle wins, I will gladly cheer for them in the Super Bowl. Daughter and SIL live near Seattle and it’s SIL’s very first year as an American football fan. After living here for 8 years, he finally decided that football may well be as fun to watch as futbol.

    It doesn’t hurt to live near Seattle right now, to get excited about that team. The whole area is crazy for the Hawks. Even the schools all had Seahawks Day on Friday.

  73. 73
    LanceThruster says:

    How come some players have ridged helmets and some smooth?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Goblue72: ’72. I remember that year, my first of eligibility to vote. The blue team didn’t do very well, as I recall.

  75. 75

    Not much love for the Niners at BJ. But here in Portland it’s like a border state in the Civil War. Traditionally Portland has been a satellite of Seattle, but there are a lot of Californians who moved up here over the last ten years, including me and the lady, so it’s hand-to-hand in the streets, which isn’t easy because everyone’s got a microbrew in one of their hands.

    The story is that the last two times the Niners played in the Cink they were smacked around by the Seahawks. However, the Niners have been trending upward while Seattle has been a little flat. Russell Wilson’s receiving corps is a little weak (no Harvin once again) while the Niners’ return of Crabtree has really sparked things and Kaep is playing well. They’ve won eight straight. The last time the two teams played the Niners prevailed. Harbaugh may be an asshole, but he’s our asshole. And he’s a much better asshole than Chris Christie.

  76. 76
    James Gary says:

    Given that the recreational enjoyment of that ever-popular friend, Mary Jane, is now legal in both the states in which NFL conference championships will be decided today, I can’t think of a better musical commentary than this one:

    Tom, I beg to differ:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UUPY902Ph0

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Gotta say the Broncos are looking good. Frankly, with that kind of receiving corps, it’s a minor miracle the Pats made it this far.

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    Cacti says:

    No real rooting interest in either game. Pulling for the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl, because every other team left has two or more Lombardi trophies.

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    scav says:

    For OT non-football lurkers or a dull period of whatever-it-is that is happening, there’s the UKIP weather forecast.

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    Cacti says:

    Denver probably has the best postseason home field advantage in the NFL, between the cold and the altitude.

    But if anyone can still step on their own crank with both of those things in their favor, it’s Peyton Manning.

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    rda909 says:

    @Corner Stone: Uh, yes, because long before anyone did a “mic check” our President had called up Elizabeth warren to the big leagues, talked about it himself for years,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9G8XREyG0Q

    and was already touring the country using the “bully pulpit” to pass actual legislation (American Jobs Act) to add to the major stimulus of 2009 that he got passed:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jobs_Act

    During W. Bush’s time, the media would barely mention, if it all, major protests againt the Iraq Invasion where 100K+ would show up, so it was odd to me when 50 people in some small park in NYC were all of a sudden front page news, while President Obama’s Jobs Act push went to the backpages. “Occupy” was used by the media to hurt the chances of the American Jobs Act passing in any form, and to continue their “divide and conquer” tactics of liberals, and unfortuntely most of them are too dumb to see it.

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    p.a. says:

    @Cacti: SHawks orig unis were awesome. New ones (fitting for Seattle I guess) are muddy/dull.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @rda909: Your links, and post, do not comport with reality. I would suggest you try again, but I’m pretty sure you would fail.
    The “Why Obama Now” YouTube video is from Oct 2012. By some accounts, Occupy was in 9/2011. No mention of Warren in either of your links.
    “On October 11, the bill was voted on in the Senate where it failed to garner the necessary sixty votes to proceed. In response Obama vowed to break the bill into several smaller derivative bills”

  84. 84
    Baud says:

    @Cacti:

    That’s my thinking also.

  85. 85
    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    I keep seeing cars driving past with diplomatic flags on each front fender, flapping in the wind, me wondering momentarily what country it is but not close enough to see. Then finally one day one passed me close enough for me to see that the flags said “49ers!”

    Culture shock of coming back to the Bay Area.

  86. 86
    2liberal says:

    @Cacti:

    Denver probably has the best postseason home field advantage in the NFL, between the cold and the altitude.But if anyone can still step on their own crank with both of those things in their favor, it’s Peyton Manning.

    LOL on this.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Man, that is almost unfair sticking D. Thomas against that undersized CB.
    Brutal beatdown.

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    2liberal says:

    ugh. 20-3 now. The Pats are going to need a break, or two. C’mon, refs! EARN your money! Give them something to complain about! You know you want the Patriots to win!

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    Corner Stone says:

    I guess we could still be talking about “tightening our belts” and how the scary deficit was going to come and murder us all in our beds if we didn’t freeze the wages of every federal govt employee and fire a fuckton of teachers in the states.
    That was a productive tack.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @2liberal: I’ve been thinking the first team to turn the ball over would lose…but that’s starting to be a stretch at this point.
    NE needs something dynamic to get back into this. Still plenty of time.

  91. 91
    RobertDSC-PowerMac G4 Dual 1.25 says:

    @Cacti:
    Not this time. We’re getting Omaha’d the fuck out. Very disappointing for this Pats fan.

  92. 92
    Corner Stone says:

    This 3 and 5 yd passing route BS…not going to get them back in this.

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    jake the snake says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    I tend to agree, Jim may be an asshole, but he’s our asshole.
    Mostly due to the Harbaugh family’s association with my Alma Mater, Western Kentucky.
    Jack coached there for years, saved football after he nearly killed it, and won the 2002
    FCS title. Jim worked as an unpaid assist and lead recruiter. John also helped though
    not as much as Jim.

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    Linnaeus says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I…uhhh…?

    Referring to the team I grew up watching.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Water biking on the Colorado beats watching football

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    Corner Stone says:

    It used to be cold in January here in the Greater Houston Metro Area. Had to bundle up and start a nice fire in the evening. Not crazyballs like the Norsemen, but a good clean crisp winter.
    I’ve had my doors and windows open all week as it is mid-60’s.

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    rda909 says:

    @Corner Stone: That speech in the video was from years earlier, not to mention there’s video of him saying that same kind of thing from the 1990s. You need links for Elizabeth Warren…seriously? The AJA ended up having trouble passing after months of the media using Occupy to distract and divide. Bringing that up just proves my point. Once again, Occupy had nothing to do with these issues being raised, and in fact hurt the chances of real, tangible progress being made on the issues they claim to care about.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @rda909: No, I disagree. Post something better and then try again.

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    The Sailor says:

    No matter what the zebras do, Broncos are still gonna win it.

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    raven says:

    Rut ro, refs ain’t got shit to do with this.

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    MikeJ says:

    Just back from QFC. Got my Skittles.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @rda909: The link to the fucking video you posted was a re-election video for Obama in 2012. Stop fucking bullshitting and watch your own links.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Welp… just getting beaten by a better team.

    All I know is that Peyton is gonna throw at least one silly interception before this is over, but it won’t matter.

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    MikeJ says:

    @PsiFighter37: Have you seen the bats yet?

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    Mmm, freshly toasted Patriot. Goes well with a nice IPA.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Does anyone think we would be talking about income inequality, our disparate economy and the poor without the Occupy struggle?

    Yes. Next question.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I’d throw to J. Thomas pretty much every route, actually. Who can stop him?

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    bewleys says:

    @2liberal: Aaaah, how cute.
    Call me ¨Carnac¨, told ya, Broncos go to Bowl.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @different-church-lady: Because we so were before. Yeah, good call.

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    2liberal says:

    kicking a FG on 4th and 2 would have made up one of the three scores the Pats need. and they still can’t stop them. This is all but over.

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    Corner Stone says:

    We talked non-stop about the stupid fucking deficit for 2+ years. But, yeah, we were totes gonna stop doing that.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @MikeJ: I remember QFC, used to walk down the hill to the one near the U.

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    Baud says:

    I’m also streaming the game. You can select the cable cam view which is pretty cool. Only problem is that the stream is about 30 seconds behind the TV.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @2liberal: Get a TAINT, and who knows what can happen?

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    rda909 says:

    @Corner Stone: Will try again: the…speech….was…recorded…long….before….the…video…was…made. There’s this thing called “video editing” where they can take the audio from some other point in time, and add new visuals to the older audio. That’s what was done with that video. Hope that’s clear to you now.

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    Joel says:

    Oh well… Go Seahawks, I guess.

    And let’s hope for some great snow on the slopes in two weeks!

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    Svensker says:

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Heh. Yup.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I’d just throw to J. Thomas the rest of this game.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Corner Stone: Perhaps you’ll be amazed by this, but people were suffering from income inequality, a disparate economy and poverty before Occupy took up the banner.

    Would the media have had a two-month Occupy orgy without Occupy? No. Would people struggling to get by be talking about it? Yes. Might something else have put it on the radar screen? Who knows.

    Did much change after Occupy? You decide.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @rda909: That’s fine. Where’s the link to the original speech?

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    efgoldman says:

    @p.a.:

    Brady’s window slams shut as Pat’s management cheaps out on wideouts again.

    Well, Edelman vs. Welker this year was a wash.The offense was actually built around the tight ends, one of whom is in the slammah and the other now in physical therapy – events that you could perhaps anticipate, but not necessarily plan. And while it was reasonable to expect the three kids to have some trouble settling in, it was not predictable that all three would get hurt.
    The real problem was losing their three best defensive players and two or three more starters on that side of the ball.
    I still think, and have though for years, that they need a really good personnel guy. Compare the Pats’ draft choices and other acquisitions against, say, Ozzie Newsome’s in Baltimore.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @different-church-lady: Well, we have seen our politicians, including the president, stop talking about the stupid fucking deficit “problem” and start mentioning income inequality. So, yeah.
    Would they have ever done that without Occupy happening? I say probably not.
    But the facts are clear that they were not before that event. They were talking about belt tightening and deficits.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Yes, we were. The difference being that “1%” hadn’t become a Facebook meme before Occupy.

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    Joel says:

    @efgoldman: That’s pretty much the sum of it.

    If I recall correctly, the Patriots still have a cap hold on Hernandez.

    I can’t complain about being a Patriots fan, and nor can anyone else. As Charles Barkley pointed out, 99% of the time in any sport, your team sucks, Having a chance to win a title for about 12 consecutive seasons is ridiculous. Never mind the three world series’ over that span (and the NBA and NHL titles).

    If anyone wants to see what having a team that sucks looks like, they can take a gander at the Celtics.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Corner Stone: And in the end all of it is talk.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): You said it better than I did.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): “We” were. I agree because I know I was, have been and continue to.
    But that was absolutely not a dominant “meme” anywhere for our media or politicians. Including the president.

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    different-church-lady says:

    OK, let’s get this back on topic: at least make ’em sweat a bit, Tom.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @different-church-lady: I agree. I am, and have been, outraged that we’ve tossed the long time UI people and families to the fucking trash pile.
    We did this, not just Republicans.

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    kindness says:

    Stick a fork in this one, it’s done. Gimmie the late game.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Yeah, calling out the “1%” was so heinous and stupid.
    http://www.cbo.gov/publication/42537

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    JPL says:

    How come when Peyton has the ball, I can hear Omaha come across my tv loud and clear. When the Pats have the ball, nothing.

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    Jewish Steel says:

    Almost time for the false dawn of garbage time in this game.

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    raven says:

    Jailbreak Brady’s ass!

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    Baud says:

    @JPL:

    Crowd noise?

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    Corner Stone says:

    If I were Denver I would start subbing in my second and third team D players.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @JPL: Crowd gets quiet for the hometown quarterback, but roars to drown out the audibles from the visiting quarterback.

    As a sound professional I’m very impressed with the new mic’ing for football coverage this year. I think they’re hiding radio mics in the back of the centers’ jerseys. It’s also possible the mic on the Patriots center has stopped working.

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    MikeJ says:

    They just demonstrated how I broke my nose playing football at Mizzou. Rushing the qb, collided with a teammate.

    We played co-ed flag football for keeps.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Ok. This may be it.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Media, yes, I agree- if you’re talking about the mainstream media. But when were they ever out front on a liberal, populist issue?

    Politicians. not so much in agreement. The progressive third- including Obama- was having the discussion.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Brady throwing to Kareem Abdul Jabaar in the end zone.

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    The Sailor says:

    @Baud: “Crowd noise? ”

    Oxygen.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Well, that might make it look like less of a beatdown.

    The problem is now our defense has to go back on the field.

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    KG says:

    @LanceThruster: different brands of helmets. The NFL and NCAA have four or five approved brands, I think it is. Player preference.

    @JPL: crowd noise?

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    Baud says:

    Manning can end it right here with a nice long drive.

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    Yatsuno says:

    @different-church-lady: Good news: The Pats scored a TD!

    Bad news: They’re doing it wayyy too late in the game. Now it’s only two scores! THEY CAN STILL WIN IT!

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    taylormattd says:

    BOOOOOOOOOO Niners.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Baud: Or make it interesting with one of his prototype picks. (Which will only make it interesting.)

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    taylormattd says:

    @Yatsuno: I’m starting to freak the fuck out Yat.

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    efgoldman says:

    @JPL:

    When the Pats have the ball, nothing.

    ‘Cause Brady’s from California and plays in Massachusetts. He doesn’t concern himself with flyover states.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Traditionally Portland has been a satellite of Seattle,

    And there are a fair number of Portlanders who will cheer against Seattle because of that.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Yatsuno: It’s still possible, but I think they’ve just run out of Junior Varsity Magic for the year.

    Ooh… ALMOST the pic I predicted.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @LanceThruster:

    Does it serve a function like facemasks or is it like choosing ‘classic’ team colors (but left to the player) ?

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    different-church-lady says:

    When the Pats have the ball, nothing.

    Oh, wait, I thought you were talking about the sound, but you’re actually talking about their play.

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    Keith G says:

    @rda909:

    “Occupy” was used by the media to hurt the chances of the American Jobs Act passing in any form, and to continue their “divide and conquer” tactics of liberals, and unfortuntely most of them are too dumb to see it.

    One of the more bizarre assertions I have read here.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Don’t know why’d you go for big yards there. Just dip and duck it down.

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    Baud says:

    Nice kick.

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    Yatsuno says:

    @taylormattd: I’ve been freaked since we won last week. But nothing would make me happier than to send Kaepernick home to kiss his biceps and turtles for comfort.

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    raven says:

    @Yatsuno: How’s your rehab coming? I’m having to decide whether or not to have a shoulder surgery that will require a long and nasty one myself.

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    Yatsuno says:

    @raven: I’m working with a really good rehab guy right now except for his scheduling practises. He calls about an hour before he’s ready to head over to the ranch and I have basically an hour to get ready. It’s a bit annoying. Good news is the pain has gone way down in the past couple of days. I hope it’s not illusory.

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    raven says:

    @Yatsuno: Good! If memory serves it comes and goes.

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    different-church-lady says:

    TD here would at least add some drama to the proceedings.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Say what now?

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    Baud says:

    Prevent defense prevents you from winning.

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    Corner Stone says:

    For some reason I thought I heard whistle blowing during the play, but I guess I did not.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Thx KG/raven.

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    Keith G says:

    Always a good plan to forgo intense pressure on the passer.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Need the ball twice in 3 minutes. Gonna be tough.

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    different-church-lady says:

    “Remember, New England has all of its time outs.”

    Yeah. Thanks for that.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Put in Osweiler!!

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    Corner Stone says:

    No turnovers in this game? That’s pretty tight football.

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    max says:

    @Keith G: One of the more bizarre assertions I have read here.

    Muh?

    @rda909: During W. Bush’s time, the media would barely mention, if it all, major protests againt the Iraq Invasion where 100K+ would show up,

    Well, yes. Because the media was cheerleading the Iraq invasion. And obviously, those damn dirty hippies who showed up to protest Iraq were hurting the chances of peace and of Democrats for ever and ever, if I remember my New Republic school of thought correctly.

    so it was odd to me when 50 people

    Bit more than that. Quite a bit more.

    in some small park in NYC were all of a sudden front page news,

    OK, I absolutely agree with the implicit assertion that the media loves dissent during Democratic presidencies and becomes avoidant during Republican presidencies.

    while President Obama’s Jobs Act push went to the backpages.

    Yeah, they had just started that up – partly because of the previous escapades around the debt ceiling which damaged the economy. (They introduced the bill on 9/8/2011 and Occupy started up on 9/17/2011.) But then media were ignoring it right off the bat because they considered it dead on arrival, which it was. The House GOP was never ever going to pass it.

    “Occupy” was used by the media to hurt the chances of the American Jobs Act passing in any form,

    FEH. Obama approval’s rating had gone into the toilet in August – pre-Occupy. A House GOP that hates Obama and is trying to position for an election in 2012 and further believes that they are on the cusp of final conservative victory is not going to pass a Democratic bill. One could point out that the bill (or anything like it) has still not passed in 2013, in spite of Obama’s reelection. One also could note that a gun control bill and an immigration bill have not passed either.

    and to continue their “divide and conquer” tactics of liberals, and unfortuntely most of them are too dumb to see it.

    The entire hinge of your argument is that somehow the House GOP of 2011 would have passed the AJA if Occupy hadn’t shown up.

    max
    [‘Someone around here is too dumb to see something.’]

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    The Sailor says:

    Imma warning you folks, it’s 2 minutes.

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    LanceThruster says:

    @raven:

    Very interesting and informative. It pays to ask those.in the know.

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    Baud says:

    It’s over.

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    The Sailor says:

    FEH. Obama approval’s rating had gone into the toilet in August

    Really?

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    Yatsuno says:

    @Baud: I kaz haz new handegg thread? Kthxbai!

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    Keith G says:

    @max:

    OK, I absolutely agree with the implicit assertion that the media loves dissent during Democratic presidencies and becomes avoidant during Republican presidencies.

    Yeah, like those 2006 immigration reform protests that were so tots (that’s too gay even for me) totally ignored by the media.

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    PaulW says:

    Colorado now representing the Doobie Bowl.

    Didn’t California have a “medical marijuana” law or did that get struck down? Otherwise we gotta wait on Seattle to win.

    I am, by the by, a non-smoker, but I support moderated legalization of marijuana because the current war on drugs is skewed against pot instead more lethal drugs, because marijuana can be a well-taxed cash crop, because alcohol can be worse for physical and mental health and yet we’ve tried banning that and it didn’t work.

    Just waiting for next season though for the Bucs to turn it around and make their own Super Bowl run again.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @MikeJ:

    And there are a fair number of Portlanders who will cheer against Seattle because of that.

    Portlanders don’t cheer, except for the Timbers. You gain hipster cred by joining the Timbers Army, and lose it by cheering for anyone else because it’s so non-ironic.

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    Yatsuno says:

    @raven: Could be a sign the healing is done. I only get occasional aches on the scar area but that’s pretty much par for the course. What’s getting under my skin now is that the right side is KILLING me. It’s going to be a long six to eight months until I can get the bionics on that side as well.

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    raven says:

    @Yatsuno: That’s exactly what I’m looking at in terms of time. The torn labrum surgery puts you in a recliner for a couple of months and then long, crucial rehab to regain strength and ROM. Did I mention healing can be longer for old people?

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    opiejeanne says:

    @PaulW: California still has medical mj.

    Washington is struggling with how to regulate pot now that it’s legal. I saw an article that mentioned in passing that the price for legal pot was the same as buying it illegally, can’t remember but I think that was Colorado. Not sure why they aren’t undercutting the street price, which has been one of the arguments for legalizing it.

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Does anyone think we would be talking about income inequality, our disparate economy and the poor without the Occupy struggle?

    Don’t know about you, but I was concerned with, and talking about these things before occupy.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    This should be a good game – these guys dislike each other.

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    Yatsuno says:

    @opiejeanne: I think WA is watching CO very carefully for any of the major bugs so things can get addressed early. I think taking it slow will make things go much more smoothly.

    BTW thanks for the visit! I did want to do stupid human tricks for you but probably better that you left at halftime. Oh and MikeJ was sick as a dog that’s why he didn’t show.

    @PsiFighter37: Trying to decide if I should be as nervous as I am. I guess if they get the option to defer to the second half that it’ll make me feel a bit better. But oh please Hacks get this thing DONE!!!

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    tybee says:

    well, that didn’t start well

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    raven says:

    @tybee: all a matter of perspective

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    SF has to be kicking themselves – gotta score a TD with that short a field.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @tybee: No, it’s not going well, not yet.

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    kindness says:

    It’s going well for SF.

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    Ruckus says:

    @raven:
    I went through 6 months of rehab for my torn rotator cuff starting just a few days after surgery. I couldn’t move nearly as well right after the surgery as before. But then it got a lot better. This was also 10-12 years ago when I was 30 yrs younger.

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    PaulW says:

    go Bucs.

    next year.

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    rda909 says:

    @Keith G: Huh? That’s exactly what happened, and continues to happen as liberals continue to argue if Occupy or President Obama is more concerned about income inequality. Mission accomplished for the media owners.

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    rda909 says:

    @max: When Occupy showed up on the cover the NYT, it was a small group of people in Zuccotti Park. I was pointing this out at the time while it was happening how strange it was, that this small protest was getting front page and lead story treatment day after day. President Obama’s “bully pulpit” push across the country for the AJA became a back page story right away, and his charge to get people to call their representatives went basically unnoticed from that point on. That’s a simple fact.

    It was bonus for the media owners that the privileged progressives carried this further and added to their consistent “Obummer fails again” narratives. Divide and conquer all the way.

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    kindness says:

    Exciting game. Niners lost. Boo hoo. Still good game.

    Let the Legal Weed Bowl commence. NY cops are hard core on pot smokers. Be careful out there.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @kindness: One of our idiot players was suspended for the entire season for weed.

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