Open Thread

I know I am supposed to be talking about the slow-motion assisted suicide of the GOP (thanks tea party) and embracing how Obama has embraced his inner Marcellus Wallace and not capitulated, but I have a much more pressing question.

What happens to all the hats after someone scores a hat trick in the NHL- do you go down and reclaim it, or do they just throw them out or dump them on the person who scored the hat trick? Have any of you ever thrown a hat at a penguin game? Was it a good one, or do you just wear a shitty hat in case?

119 replies
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    PaulW says:

    I think here in Tampa they round up the hats and leave them for pick-up at the Help desk on the way out.

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    Scotty says:

    I’m a Rangers fan… What’s a hat trick again?

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    eric says:

    If you have an hour and you love music then watch Renegade Creation.


  4. 4
    Trollhattan says:

    Jerry’s 50:50 today–signed a lead ammo ban but vetoed a semi-auto weapons bill.

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    dmsilev says:

    The Google Ad-o-matic is very confused right now. For some reason, it’s serving me an ad for a forklift rental company. Not something I’m in the market for at the moment.

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    James Hare says:

    The Caps donate them to the homeless (or so they say). Here’s an article from Yahoo discussing exactly that question:,167824

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    NotMax says:

    Can we get them to call 4 goals a bra trick?

    /just being silly

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    the Conster says:


    Brown/Warren 2016

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    muricafukyea says:

    Poor Libertarian curios Cole. Greenwalds bs doesn’t have much traction these days so he has resorted to childish insults on network TV. Of course Cole will not post about his brother from another mother doing that so he is all….hey look at that shiny object over there.., hey did you see that Bears game…yea hell of a game..they are going to go all the way this year.

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    Chickamin Slam says:


    From James Hare’s link it would appear that the procedures vary by team. I know at the minor league hockey games one could claim their hat if they wanted it back at Fan information, otherwise a charity would get them if decent enough.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Wikipedia, on the origin of the hat-trick and its definition in various sports. You guys actually throw hats onto the rink when a player scores a hat-trick in the NHL?

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    dmsilev says:

    Erick of the House of Erick:

    GOP Leaders, by caving, are signaling they want us to primary them.

    I am happy to help.

    I have just given money to Heritage Action for America.

    I have just given money to Senate Conservatives Fund.

    These two groups will be at the forefront of the fight.

    I am also giving money to Eric Gurr. He has decided to primary Speaker John Boehner in Ohio.

    I am also giving money to Matt Bevin. He is the primary challenger to Mitch McConnell.

    Poor Erick, betrayed by The Establishment again. Or something. Yes, please contribute to the “More loons winning primaries and losing generals” fund.

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    Chickamin Slam says:

    @NotMax: One website thinks the name for four goals is a Texas Hat Trick >.> What is 4 goals scored in one hockey game called?
    In: Ice Hockey, Ice Hockey History [Edit categories]
    Texas Hat Trick

    Six goals is a Double Hat Trick or in some leagues, lacrosse for example, a Sock Trick. People apparently throw socks.

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    David Koch says:

    Newt Gingrich says the GOP wouldn’t be self immolating if Bill Clinton was president:

    “I can’t imagine picking up the phone with Bill Clinton and having his opening words be: ‘I will not negotiate with you.’”

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    Trollhattan says:

    @the Conster:

    Love it.

    I would pay cash money to watch a Brown v. Christie race because at some point Jerry would (again) challenge Christie to a pull-up competition.

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    Darkrose says:

    I always forget that a hat trick is good in hockey, because in baseball, it’s striking out three times–or, if you strike out four times, the Golden Sombrero.

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    rea says:

    In Detroit, the tradition is to throw octopuses.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I used to get ads for websites that sold women’s clothing, which, being a guy-type person, I never wear.

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    beltane says:

    @David Koch: Newt’s comment is all win.

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    mdblanche says:

    The International House of Pancakes menu, as written by Thomas Friedman.

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    Matt in HB says:

    @Amir Khalid: Yep. It can be a glorious thing. One of the best examples I can recall was a hat trick by Dirk Graham of the Chicago Blackhawks in the 1992 Stanley Cup Finals. Although the hawks lost to the Penguins, Graham scored a 1st period hat trick and the Chicago fans went nuts littering the ice with hats (literally hundreds of hats on the ice). I wish I could find a clip of that on youtube; it was great.

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    JPL says:

    @David Koch: So Newt said he wouldn’t raise the debt ceiling.. haha

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    Bob's Had Enough says:

    @the Conster:

    Warren/Brown 2016

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    rea says:

    @rea: Just in case you think I’m kidding aboout th octopuses:

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    Laura Burchard says:

    For the Sharks rookie that just scored a hat trick, they gave them to him:

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    Ben Franklin says:

    We’ve been a little preoccupied with the Shutdown and other circus acts, but this shouldn’t fall by the wayside.

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    RobertDSC-iPhone 4 says:

    Only during the playoffs.

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    JPL says:

    This was in the NYTIMES by Floyd Norris

    How to Know if You’re a Banana Republic

    An excerpt from an e-mail to clients from Jonathan Lewis, chief investment officer at Samson Capital Advisors:
    Top 5 List – Ways to Know You Might Be a Banana Republic
    1. There is a flight from your T-bill market because the government might not be able to pay its debt.
    2. Corporate debt looks more attractive than debt issued by the government.
    3. The government can’t release data on the economy because the government workers who collect and distribute the data have been furloughed.
    4. The leaders of the country have lost the ability to compromise and discuss important policy matters in an open, fact-based manner.
    5. Important futures exchanges begin to aggressively haircut your government debt when it is used as collateral for futures contracts.

    We might as well throw in our hats cuz their games, we already lost our exceptional status..

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    David Koch says:

    Last Saturday, just 6 days ago, there was a propagandist from Politico on MSNBC raving about Boehner’s brilliant strategy and tactics (No, really!)


    Good Times

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    Mardam says:

    Some places give them to charity.

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    Jose Arcadio Buendía says:

    I’ve only been to one Flyers game, but they had glass cases where the hats were stored. Never seen that anywhere else, and I’ve been to almost every NHL arena.

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    Jose Arcadio Buendía says:

    @David Koch: “Strategy” according to the soap opera press is when you lose so that you can lose a little less later. For me, pyrrhic victories in politics are like unicorns. A lot of people claim they exist, but I have never seen one.

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    @Scotty: In San Jose, they’re called Hertls.

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    Jose Arcadio Buendía says:

    @Scotty: It’s what gets scored on your team.

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    MattF says:

    Krugman– “In other words, it’s still race after all these years”:


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    muddy says:

    @David Koch: I just picked up the phone and the computer announced that it had a special message for me from Newt Gingrich. I hung up reflexively. Absolutely reflexively, I didn’t even register what it was until afterwards. Then I wished mildly that I had listened so that I could repeat it here.

    ETA: I hope he was not calling to negotiate with me

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    Scotty says:

    @Jose Arcadio Buendía:

    I’ve typically given up and turned the game off before they occur.

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    shelly says:

    On Cnn today, just saw a few minutes of Cruz speaking at the Values Voter Summit. It’s true, there’s just something so puncable about that smug puss of his.

    “Values Voter?” That’s the best name they could come up with? It sounds like a coupon you’d use at your local Try-N-Save.

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    mainmati says:

    hat trick (n.) Look up hat trick at
    1879, originally from cricket, “taking three wickets on three consecutive deliveries;” extended to other sports (especially ice hockey) c.1909. Allegedly because it entitled the bowler (i.e. equivalent to a baseball pitcher) to receive a hat from his club commemorating the feat (or entitled him to pass the hat for a cash collection), but also influenced by the image of a conjurer pulling things from his hat (attested by 1876). In other words, an unlikely an delightful event.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @mdblanche: Oddly, although I am not actually AT the International House of Pancakes at the moment, I happen to be using IHOP’s WiFi for my iPad. So this is especially licious.

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    Redshirt says:

    Cole don’t know nothing.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Bob’s Had Enough:

    Elizabeth/Sherrod, right? Not, um, Earl/Scott or something?

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    muddy says:

    @Redshirt: Backwoods GoT?

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    shelly says:


    Love the ad at the bottom of that article’s page:
    “Learn Romney’s retirement secret. Retire with six figures…”

    Sure. And it also helps if you inherited more money that God.

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    cathyx says:

    @shelly: That’s the secret.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @muddy: newt is calling to get you to sign up for his anti-AARP grift. “Better benefits. No liberalism. No age limits.”

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @shelly: also helps if you can find an accountant to give you a generous valuation on some securities to place in your IRA.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    It sounds like a coupon you’d use at your local Try-N-Save Tri2Sav.

    Fixed, only because the further you get from actual English, the bettah.

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    IowaOldLady says:

    @David Koch: They impeached him! This kumbaya stuff is just unbelievable.

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    Dexter's new approach says:

    You have to be sit pretty close to be able to throw your hat over the glass, so it’s only an issue for the big buck-seated people. I once saw a guy take off his hat off an put it in his jacket after a player scored two goals.

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    Ash Can says:

    @lamh36: Malia meeting with Malala? …Gee, I seem to have some dust in my eye…

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: The NYTimes has a story up about their meeting..

    “I thanked President Obama for the United States’ work in supporting education in Pakistan and Afghanistan and for Syrian refugees. I also expressed my concerns that drone attacks are fueling terrorism. Innocent victims are killed in these acts, and they lead to resentment among the Pakistani people. If we refocus efforts on education it will make a big impact,” she said.


    also.. she should have won the Nobel Peace Prize

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    dmsilev says:


    Sure. And it also helps if you inherited more money that God.

    Well, Joseph was a poor shepherd so in fairness that’s a low bar to cross.

    Though it is amusing to imagine “Financial advice from the Romneys”.
    * How to scrape by during college: Sell off some stock your parents gave you.
    * Increase your home’s value by adding a trendy car elevator
    * Swiss bank accounts for dummies

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    p.a. says:

    @Amir Khalid: and an octopus on the ice in Detroit when they win a playoff game. (Used to take 8 wins to win the Cup)

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    Ash Can says:

    @David Koch:

    Newt Gingrich says the GOP wouldn’t be self immolating if Bill Clinton was president:

    I’d like to see Bill Clinton hit the airwaves this weekend and see how many ways he can say “Fuck you, Newt Gingrich.”

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    dogwood says:

    Thank you for that link.

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    WereBear says:

    @dmsilev: You don’t know you need a forklift… yet … but GOOGLE DOES.


    Rev Al was awesome tonight; highly recommend catching it on web.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Ash Can: Why bother? I mean, what’s the point in even pretending that anyone cares what Newt Gingrich says?

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    KG says:

    @the Conster: Ol’ Governor Moonbeam is 75, he’ll be 78 within four months of assuming office. That’s 7 years older than Reagan was when he assumed office. That’s probably too old for anything other than an ambassadorship or a hold over seat on the Supreme Court (side note, Jerry Brown on the Supreme Court would be rather fun, if only to see him give Alito an aneurysm).

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    Ash Can says:

    As for hat tricks, one of my favorite stories is from some years ago, when Tuffy Rhodes went yard on Dwight Gooden three times in one game. After the third homer, the fans in the Wrigley Field bleachers littered the warning track with hats. Tuffy, not being a hockey fan, didn’t understand what the heck was going on until those of his teammates familiar with hockey explained it to him.

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    JPL says:

    @dogwood: Glad you mentioned it because when I see Tom Friedman’s name, I don’t link. You are right, that was great. Now we know what taxi drivers all over the world eat..

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    piratedan says:

    @Ash Can: would love to see him sit down on something like Gregory’s show and ask them, why a former speaker, who was removed from office in disgrace, who shut down the government due to personal petulance is given so much credence by network television today and isn’t routinely mocked for the political failure that he is.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @muricafukyea: there there, little man, have a wee pat on the head.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @lamh36: Is there a way to see this without using Twitter?

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    gbear says:

    Via Joe. My. God: FUCK YOU, CONGRESS.

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    Elizabelle says:


    “Values Voter?” That’s the best name they could come up with?

    It means you’ve passed your sell by date.

    You’re heading towards “rancid.”

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    Redshirt says:

    I feel the pain of everyone.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    also.. she should have won the Nobel Peace Prize

    Yep. Any other year, I wouldn’t have had a problem with the anti-Chemical Weapons folks. But I was really hoping the NPP committee would select Malala this year. What a message it would have sent.

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    KG says:

    @shelly: in all fairness, it wasn’t his monetary inheritance that made him a ton of money, necessarily. It was the fact that his dad was the president of a major automobile company and then the governor of a fairly large state that allowed him do to things like go to Harvard in the early 70s and then have really sweet connections once he decided to start his, ahem, “business” career.

    I mean, I’m sure if I would have been smart enough to have been born with a parent that was governor of California, or who was president of a major corporation, or maybe who had a few thousand acres of land, or something like that… Fuck it, I’d settle for being the (great) grandson of moonshiners or bootleggers, worked out well enough for the Kennedys.

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    Poopyman says:

    @mdblanche: That reads more like a J. Peterman catalog.

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    lamh36 says:


    Direct link from WH flickr:

    @markknoller 5m
    WH says Pres Obama thanked Malala “for her inspiring and passionate work on behalf of girls education in Pakistan.”

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    Yatsuno says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Durfs gotta Durf. But our poor Canadian day trader just doesn’t have his troll edge anymore.

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    muddy says:

    @Suffern ACE: Well, AARP gave me a sweet trunk organizer, so he’s out of luck.

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    Hal says:

    Chris Hayes just had on an Obama communication director and asked him to be honest, the aca rollout has been a disaster in the past two weeks. Has it? I know there is plenty of traffic and frustrated users of the system, but a total disaster? Not to mention the question was basically Hayes in rhetorical mode. How the hell to you answer a question like that?

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    lamh36 says:

    Man. I’ve always wanted to be in the medical field. for the longest time the dream was to become a doctor, for many reasons that didn’t happen. but back in my pre-med days I was in such awe of Dr Ben Carson. He was the biggest named African American surgeon in th country. I was in awe of his talent and work. well what a difference maturity makes along with finally becoming politically more aware, I am so disappointed in Dr Carson…SMDH. I still respect his accomplishments, but I am no longer and will probably never again be in awe of him. he may still be a great and smart surgeon, but he’s no longer such a “great icon” as he once was to me.

    Ben Carson compares Obamacare to slavery

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Amir Khalid: oh heck, hats are tame. they throw octopi on the ice for one team. I think it’s the San Jose Sharks.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @opiejeanne: Nope, as mentioned above, it’s Michiganders throwing octopi at the Detroit Dead Things. Never could figure out why calamari is so popular in that Midwestern, freshwater state, but it was all over the Greek diners years before becoming a staple at “Italian” chain restaurants!

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    beltane says:

    This year’s values voters summit is a real treasure trove of…something. Here were have Louie Gohmert attacking John McCain for being an Al Qaeda supporter:

    I don’t recall any recent instances of Democratic House members attacking Dem senators in this way.

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    Hal says:

    @lamh36: +1000 I am so disappointed in Carson. I still appreciate his medical achievements but his political aspirations have changed my opinion of him forever. I pretty much wrote him off after finding out he was a scientist who believes in young earth creationism.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @lamh36: Thanks very much! I just love the look on Malia’s face!!

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    Darkrose says:

    Go St. Louis Not-Dodgers!

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    Redshift says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: You don’t have to “use” Twitter to see it. It’s just a web page that’s posted via Twitter. Unless you have an objection to going to, you can see it in a browser without anything extra. (If you’re on a mobile device and it asks you if you want to install a Twitter app, just say you want to use the browser.)

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    YoohooCthulhu says:


    Retire with six figures?
    Isn’t that…low for Romney? Wouldn’t a typical retirement account (25ish years) be in at least the high 100,000s?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I want her to win the Nobel Peace Prize at the age of 80 after a long and successful life spent transforming her country. But I’m sentimental like that. ;-)

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    Linnaeus says:

    In Detroit, we also had the Gordie Howe hat trick: a goal, an assist, and a fight in the same game.

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    Ripley says:

    @Redshirt: Then I feel nothing.

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    Lady Bug says:


    Me too. :)

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    JPL says:

    @Mnemosyne: That’s how I felt this morning but then after reading about her meeting with the President, I changed my mind.

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    Redshirt says:

    It’s low for a Romney, high for a Smith.

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    Randy P says:

    Did anybody know that Allie Brosh (Hyperbole and a Half) is back? I’m pretty sure that BJ is how I found her in the first place.

    That post is brand new, a little over a week old. Just went over there on impulse and there it was!

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    Stephen says:

    @Hal: Various rightwing blogs are quoting some DailyMail article saying (based on un-named sources within the govt) that there’s only been about 51,000 people sign up. The usual suspects – just google it. The only TP’er of my acquaintance has been posting FB updates non-stop about the ACA. He’s given up on the Govt default thing.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    Oilers donate them. Hubby says yes to wearing an older one.

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    Baud says:


    I don’t know what the numbers are, but I think most people won’t actually sign up until Nov – Dec.

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    Jay C says:


    (side note, Jerry Brown on the Supreme Court would be rather fun, if only to see him give Alito an aneurysm).

    And another vacancy for President Obama or President (Hillary) Clinton to fill: win-win!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:



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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Redshift: It always asks me to register.

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    Jay C says:


    I mean, I’m sure if I would have been smart enough to have been born with a parent that was governor of California,

    Yeah, where MIGHT you be today….??

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mnemosyne: That would be lovely, but I’m already 71 and by the time Malala turns 80 I would be 135. I guess it’s not altogether impossible, but it seems very unlikely.

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    MikeJ says:


    by the time Malala turns 80 I would be 135. I guess it’s not altogether impossible, but it seems very unlikely.


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    Chyron HR says:


    Various rightwing blogs are [saying] there’s only been about 51,000 people sign up.

    You can tell Obamacare is real hardcore America-destroying fascism because of the way you voluntarily sign up for it.

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    muddy says:

    @MikeJ: Death panels!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @MikeJ: Death Panels!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:



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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    Ben Carson is a serious fuckhead.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Chyron HR:

    These are the people who think that National Socialism was actually socialist, you know. They also fervently believe that the Korean Democratic People’s Republic is a democracy.

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    muddy says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: On a coke.

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    muddy says:

    @Randy P: I think some people take the stories literally as though they are an anecdote with cute illustrations. I always think it goes so much further. I wore a dinosaur costume for a really long time.

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:


    Heh. I have been slack, but where is Ted and Helen?

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    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo) says:

    @Bob’s Had Enough:
    Warren/Brown Warren/Dean Warren/Dayton bgvatever.

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    marv says:

    I know from sports a little bit, and saw Gretzky play against the Russians when he was a young man, in 1981 (I think), and he cut quite a figure on the ice, even then, but the only thing I know I about hats is don’t leave one on a bed. Also, in regard to the baseball terminology cited above – about hat tricks and golden sombreros – that may well be true, but I played over a thousand games in the minors and maybe 58 in the big leagues in the 70’s and early 80’s, and the only term I remember, which is maybe the saddest expression for me in all the world, is: o-fer.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @muddy: Spit.

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    different-church-lady says:


    In Boston, I always got the impression the hats went came straight to from the Dumpster(tm)


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    different-church-lady says:

    The Gordie Howe hat trick (goal, assist, fight) is well known, but a local radio wag coined “The Nevin Markwart hat trick” for Brad Marchand’s achievement of three minor penalties on the same play during the 2011 finals.

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    JR says:

    Those hats? They used to give them to orphanages, but then Pat Robertson discovered that gay hockey fans were hiding AIDS needles in the brims. Now they are burned in a tasteful ritual out where the Zamboni dumps the shaved ice.

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    Bruce K says:

    I knew about the baseball hat trick, but I remember reading when I was a kid that four strikeouts was just a sombrero. You needed to strike out five times to get the golden sombrero. Or did the terminology evolve when I wasn’t looking?

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