RNC/Fox News Debate Open Thread

Okay, I missed the undercard (doubt I missed much, actually). Here’s the Guardian‘s liveblog.

Here’s the Rude Pundit’s audioblog. (I owe someone a hat tip for that link.)

RRRRRREADY TO RRRRRRUMBLE….

ETA:

Yeah, guess we’re up to speed now.








Friday Night Fights Open Thread: Aging White Men, Talking Smack

darth cheney silences poppy bush

(Nick Anderson via GoComics.com)
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A Democrat once said Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.” Repubs prefer to think of defeat as a bastard child, and the Bush Crime Cartel is busily Jerry-Springer-ing its paternity.

Mr. Pierce explains:

It seems that Poppy Bush sat down with Parson Meacham to hash out Poppy’s life. And who could be a better wingman for the job than the Parson, who’s made a lucrative business out of the Great Man Theory of American history? In the course of their discussions—which, alas, have led to a book-like object—the elder Bush has some harsh words for a certain former secretary of defense of his casual acquaintance.​​

“I think he served the president badly,” Bush told Meacham, Peter Baker of the New York Times reported, quoting the book. He added: “I’ve never been that close to him anyway. … There’s a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks. He’s more kick ass and take names, take numbers. I think he paid a price for that.” (Rumsfeld resigned as secretary of defense in 2006 after conditions in Iraq deteriorated. He declined comment about the biography to Fox News…

But then again…

Poppy ripped Donald Rumsfeld unconditionally, and he said some tough things about Cheney, too, but he also made sure to point out that C-Plus Augustus ran his own shop. Jeb (!) made the same point about who was in charge, and went out of his way to say nice things about Cheney besides

Why, a political cynic might almost suspect that Darth Cheney had squirreled away some “oppo research” in that man-sized safe he had removed from the Naval Observatory on his way out the door in 2009! Yet however could a man who’d gotten his start in national politics as a CREEPster in Richard Nixon’s administration ever stoop to such low, ungentlemanly tactics?

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Supplemental alternate-history weirdness:








Friday Morning Open Thread: Survivor, RNC Edition

… And yet, Rih Sanctorum is still in better shape than some of his fellow contendahs, per the Washington Post:

Thirteen Republican presidential campaigns had started the week in a kind of solidarity, brainstorming ideas to make the cable news debates more fair. They ended the week in pathos and disarray, after Fox Business announced that two candidates would be shunted from prime time to an “undercard” debate, and two mainstays of the undercard debate would not make it to the Nov. 10 forum at all.

The campaigns of Gov. Chris Christie (N.J.) and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, in the unique position of being booted from the main stage, responded through gritted teeth…

But Christie and Huckabee would at least appear on television. The campaign of Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), who had been roundly praised for his performances in the CNN and CNBC “undercards,” was dumbfounded at the decision to cut him out of Tuesday’s forum…

Former New York governor George Pataki also didn’t qualify for either debate.

The gripe of every sidelined campaign was that, in a year when pollsters have been caught short in race after race, national polling has been prioritized over state polling to cast the televised debates. In averages of New Hampshire polls, Christie has climbed ahead of Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.); in Iowa polls, Huckabee and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, had more support than Gov. John Kasich (Ohio). Yet Kasich and Paul would appear in prime time, while the much-liked Graham would stay home…

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Apart from more of this year’s bumper crop of schadenfreude, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the week?








Late Night Open Thread: The RNC’s Never-Ending Debate Dumpster Fire

Well, that certainly went well. From the Washington Post, company paper in the town whose monopoly industry is national politics, Monday evening:

The format and content of upcoming Republican debates became increasingly uncertain on Monday after Donald Trump’s campaign said the real estate mogul would negotiate his terms directly with television executives instead of as part of a joint effort with his rivals.

The move by Trump, coming just hours after his and other campaigns huddled in a Washington suburb to craft a three-page letter of possible demands, thwarts an effort to find consensus after what most candidates agreed was a debacle hosted by CNBC last week…

Back story, from Jim Newell at Slate – “The GOP’s Presidential Contenders Are Hijacking Their Own Debates“:

In a Godfather-esque gathering of rival political concerns, representatives of the Republican presidential campaigns gathered in an Alexandria, Virginia Hilton on Sunday evening to draw up a list of conditions for their participation in future presidential debates. The campaigns still are all het up about the completely unfair questioning that business-Republican network CNBC subjected them to last week, such as, Marco Rubio, your tax plan is really good for the wealthy, no? or, Ben Carson, why were you in bed with this snake-oil company for so many years? If the moderators had asked fair questions, see, the candidates wouldn’t have been forced to lie. What’s so complicated about that?… Read more








Open Thread: Speaking of Design Changes…

The various GOP Kandidates have many, many problems with the RNC’s debate setup!

Per the Washington Post, company paper for the town where politics is the monopoly industry:

Several Republican presidential campaigns began mapping out new demands Sunday for greater control over the format and content of primary debates, which have attracted big audiences and become strategically critical for the 2016 cycle’s expansive field of contenders.

The effort was a response to long-simmering frustrations over the debates, the questions and in some cases the moderators, which boiled over this weekend when advisers from at least 11 campaigns met in the Washington suburbs to deliberate about how to regain sway over the process…

The meeting also exposed a leadership rift that has widened in recent days between the Republican National Committee, which negotiated the debate schedule and formats, and some of the candidates. RNC officials said they would not participate in Sunday’s meeting, but they have been reassuring campaign operatives that they are willing to recalibrate the events.

Shortly before the meeting began, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus announced a staff shake-up within the GOP that appeared intended to calm the unhappiness of the presidential campaigns…

As the meeting got underway, senior strategists from several presidential campaigns revealed in e-mails and text messages that Priebus’s staff shake-up was not enough. One campaign manager, who was granted anonymity to speak about the private meeting, wrote: “Major question is if the RNC should be involved at all.”

The campaigns reached an early consensus on one issue, according to several operatives in the room: the secure standing of Fox News Channel. Any changes would be applied to debates after next week’s Fox Business Network debate. Among the reasons, according to one operative in the room, was that “people are afraid to make Roger [Ailes] mad,” a reference to the network’s chief.

Bush campaign manager Danny Diaz recommended that Telemundo be reinstated after being dropped along with NBC. But the campaign of businessman Donald Trump, represented by manager Corey Lewandowski, threatened to boycott a debate if the Spanish-language network that Trump has clashed with was granted one…

“I told Priebus about a week ago that I didn’t like the structure of the debates and how the party was rationing them,” Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said in an interview. “I said, ‘Something has to change.’ I know they didn’t anticipate 15 candidates in the debates, but there are, and it blew up on them. These debates aren’t what they should be. You have the wrong people in charge of the subject matter and topics, setting candidates up for cheap shots.”…

Why is Steve “Pig Muck” King being interviewed on this issue, being as he’s neither a candidate nor a campaign manager? Because, I guess, he’s the champion of the new “Know Nothing/No Nothing” wing of the Republican Party?