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Religious Nuts

Cold Grey Pre-Dawn Open Thread: Abasing Himself Before the Preachers

by Anne Laurie|  June 3, 20193:51 am| 49 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Religious Nuts, Republican Stupidity, All Too Normal, Assholes, Green Balloons

President Trump makes an unannounced stop at McLean Bible Church in Vienna, VA. pic.twitter.com/qBZzDi96vl

— The Hill (@thehill) June 2, 2019

It’s not exactly Henry II abasing himself before the bishops, but showing up for the hardcore Talibangelicals’ big “Day of Prayer” sans spray-tan and combover would seem to indicate that Lord Smallgloves, or his advisors, will indeed be leaning heavily into his ‘religious’ base during the upcoming election. (As a different Henry is supposed to have said, Paris is worth a mass.) Typical of the man’s slipshod ways that he couldn’t be persuaded to take the effort of changing out of golf togs. At least take off the cleats!

I'm sure the evangelicals would have been totally fine with Obama stopping by church for 16 minutes so everyone could pray for him. pic.twitter.com/7JpgxKmBTX

— Schooley (@Rschooley) June 2, 2019

Roger Stone says Trump’s never looked better!

Roger’s stoned. pic.twitter.com/s8AFeMqDNk

— Claude Taylor (@TrueFactsStated) June 3, 2019

He looks like if The Walking Dead and Gilligan's Island had a crossover episode.

— Doug Hanke (@doug_hanke) June 3, 2019

And please note that McLean Bible Church is on Rte. 7-right up the road from Sterling, VA, where the golf club is. It’s like he stopped for beer at 7-11 on the way to the BBQ.

— I am Scorpio (@adelphean70) June 2, 2019

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Friday Evening Open Thread: Cruise Ship of Certified Fools

by Anne Laurie|  May 17, 20196:06 pm| 141 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Religious Nuts, All Too Normal, All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

Glenn Beck is doing a 14-day "history" cruise with Bill O'Reilly to the Mediterranean. pic.twitter.com/Rx0LYFHoAb

— Eric Hananoki (@ehananoki) May 17, 2019

Imagine this Gilligan’s Island. https://t.co/vd4nz1SZP2

— Schooley (@Rschooley) May 17, 2019

For just $2,999 or $4,999, you can be updated to "more exclusive events and functions with Glenn Beck and his hosts, such as private tours in Athens, as well as onboard premiums, special affairs, dinners and onshore tours." https://t.co/dnGtvz5uck

— Eric Hananoki (@ehananoki) May 17, 2019

Fortunately for the crew — and boy howdy do I feel sorry for those poor folk! — Beck’s target audience is almost certainly old enough to be outside the measles-susceptible anti-vaxxer demographic. Unlike the wretched Scientologists on the Seastead earlier this year…

In the depressing sequel to The Stand, humanity quickly develops a cure for the plague, but half the population refuses to take it because of a video they saw on RandallFlagg69’s YouTube channel, and we’re wiped out anyway. https://t.co/evUHQsjcL4

— Julian Sanchez (@normative) May 2, 2019

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Wrapping Up the Weekend Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  April 21, 20199:11 pm| 161 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Religious Nuts, Clown Shoes, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All

Hey, fam, are we still doing "this is the future liberals want" jokes? pic.twitter.com/pVHBRAOICL

— Dirk Lester (@Dirk2112) April 21, 2019

it’s easter in the USA baby pic.twitter.com/dZlsYnWfVZ

— atlas slugged ? (@generalslug) April 21, 2019

Easter Sunday is the Evangelical Solstice.

It’s the day when professed values are the furthest away from lived values.

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) April 21, 2019

You never want to be on the Easter Bunny’s lap at the annual moment when he turns into a werewolf. pic.twitter.com/IyjF76iz52

— Undine (@HorribleSanity) April 21, 2019

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#QAnon and ‘the Church of Trump’: A Grifter Runs Through It

by Anne Laurie|  August 15, 20189:37 pm| 93 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Grifters Gonna Grift, Hail to the Hairpiece, IOKIYAR, Open Threads, Religious Nuts, All Too Normal

Who is QAnon? Let's look to the folks who brought the conspiracy off the chans and to grandmas on Facebook, cashing in along the way. https://t.co/VXPEs1lDuS

— Brandy Zadrozny (@BrandyZadrozny) August 14, 2018

“Pushing the theory on to bigger platforms proved to be the key to Qanon’s spread — and the originators’ financial gain”:

In November 2017, a small-time YouTube video creator and two moderators of the 4chan website, one of the most extreme message boards on the internet, banded together and plucked out of obscurity an anonymous and cryptic post from the many conspiracy theories that populated the website’s message board.

Over the next several months, they would create videos, a Reddit community, a business and an entire mythology based off the 4chan posts of “Q,” the pseudonym of a person claiming to be a high-ranking military officer. The theory they espoused would become Qanon, and it would eventually make its way from those message boards to national media stories and the rallies of President Donald Trump.

Now, the people behind that effort are at the center of a fractious debate among conspiracy enthusiasts, some of whom believe the three people who first popularized the Qanon theory are promoting it in order to make a living. Others suggest that these original followers actually wrote Q’s mysterious posts.

While the identity of the original author or authors behind “Q” is still unknown, the history of the conspiracy theory’s spread is well-documented — through YouTube videos, social media posts, Reddit archives, and public records reviewed by NBC News.

NBC News has found that the theory can be traced back to three people who sparked some of the first conversation about Qanon and, in doing so, attracted followers who they then asked to help fund Qanon “research.”…

The hell of it is… #QAnon’s true believers probably wouldn’t find its grift-based foundation disqualifying. Believers are notorious for being able to hand-wave away much worse behavior, and it’s been argued that the hardcore Deplorables of Trump’s base are already using his rallies as a substitute for the communal bonding they can’t find in more ‘mainstream’ churches. Alex Wagner, in the Atlantic:

… Last spring, my colleague Peter Beinart looked at the increasing secularization of American society and how it had contributed to the rise of political tribalism:

As Americans have left organized religion, they haven’t stopped viewing politics as a struggle between “us” and “them.” Many have come to define us and them in even more primal and irreconcilable ways.

Non-college-educated whites are the Trump base, now set adrift:

Establishing causation is difficult, but we know that culturally conservative white Americans who are disengaged from church experience less economic success and more family breakdown than those who remain connected, and they grow more pessimistic and resentful.

You could draw a straight line from a disenfranchised, pessimistic, resentful audience to Trump’s brand of fear-driven, divisive politics, but this would leave out an equally important part of the Trump phenomenon, and something critical to its success: the elation. Go to a Trump rally, speak to Trump supporters, and the devotion is nearly evangelical…

Durkheim’s theory—that a gathering of the tribe can create a certain energy that renders particular people or objects sacred—goes a long way toward explaining Trump’s infallibility among his supporters. But it also brings to the fore something that Trump critics have missed so far when focusing on his (not insignificant) negatives: Trumpism, like many forms of non-secular worship, makes its believers feel good…

Organized worship, cultish or not, has been a method of social bonding for as long as humans have come together in groups. And for as far back as we have records, there’s been satires about the failings of the local clerical class — satires that in no way measure the actual religious belief of the worshippers laughing at them. If the Proud Deplorables are really treating Trump as the figurehead of their communal worship, then the self-interested profit-seeking of #QAnon’s “experts” are not necessarily going to wean them off the conspiracy fantasy, any more than the steady parade of Evangelical preachers exposed as grifting frauds / sexual abusers has weaned their base away.

When we reached out to Rogers about allegations he's Q, he quickly deleted Facebook posts.

When we told him we'd saved his posts from, like the one saying “Ten bucks says you see my face on national news" claiming he's Q, he deleted his account.https://t.co/RO3yYhDqib pic.twitter.com/60CdGs10BC

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) August 14, 2018

Late capitalism, even conspiracy theories are monetized. https://t.co/3sGP9eQD3i

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 14, 2018

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Late Night Eyes-Cast-Up-to-Heaven Open Thread: Who Among Us?…

by Anne Laurie|  July 3, 20183:01 am| 35 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Religious Nuts, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, Clown Shoes, Our Failed Media Experiment

If you want to know what normalization of misogyny looks like, it's characterizing domestic violence as just a *different kind* of family values pic.twitter.com/lF9sr54i4E

— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) July 2, 2018

… hasn’t publicly speculated about dating their teenage daughter?

For all their valiant attempts to “normalize” his behavior and that of his most racist supporters, Donald Trump remains an enormously unpopular and polarizing figure. So the NYTimes roots around in the Christianist swamps for a new and hopefully more convincing argument from this dude at the “ecumenical, conservative and, in some views, neoconservative religious journal” First Things…

pic.twitter.com/r8xBnUOcNZ

— Angelo Muredda (@amuredda) July 2, 2018

… People I knew from college or had met in New York expressed distaste for Mr. Trump’s behavior. If they were religiously conservative, they stressed his infidelity while also objecting to his insults of women. If they were liberal, they objected to his treatment of women and viewed his infidelity as a sign that his religious supporters were hypocrites. Not a single peer of mine in New York — no matter how conservative or religious — publicly supported Mr. Trump.

In contrast, almost all of the people I know in my hometown in Nebraska proudly supported him. They glossed over his infidelities and stressed that he seemed to be a good father. They were impressed by his “respectful” sons and admired the success of his daughters.

In their book “Red Families v. Blue Families,” Naomi Cahn and June Carbone popularized the idea of “blue” and “red” family models. Blue families prize equality and companionship between spouses while putting a low value on childbearing. Red families tend to be inegalitarian or complementarian, viewing the man as the primary breadwinner and the mother as the primary caregiver. Early marriage and multiple children are typical.

Red families tend toward conservatism, and blue tend toward progressivism, but the models share an upper-class stress on respectability and a strong taboo against out-of-wedlock birth.

A third model can be found among working-class whites, blacks and Hispanics — let’s call it purple. In these families, bonds between mothers and children are prized above those between couples. Unstable relationships are the norm, and fathers quickly end up out of the picture…

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Compare members of Mr. Trump’s Evangelical Advisory Board to attendees at a recent conference of Trump skeptics at Wheaton College, the elite Evangelical institution. Mr. Trump’s board is overwhelmingly drawn from the Southern Baptist Convention and various Pentecostal and prosperity gospel churches. Figures at the Wheaton conference were more likely to be from Presbyterian churches, or conservative offshoots of the Episcopal Church.

These denominational differences reflect a class divide. About 35 percent of Episcopalians and 25 percent of Presbyterians have a family income above $100,000. Only 16 percent of Southern Baptists and 10 percent of the pentecostal Assemblies of God can say the same. An Episcopalian is more likely to have an advanced degree than a Southern Baptist is to have a college diploma…

Shorter NYTimes: Trump supporters tend to be undereducated bigots from denominations with a history of misogny and racism, not that there’s anything wrong with that!

As quite a few high-profile people of color have noted, Mr. Schmitz and the NYTimes blandly assume that working-class “blacks and Hispanics” voted for Trump as enthusiastically as Schmitz’s beloved Nebraskan rednecks — an empirically false statement, aka, lie.

Or why black and Latino “purple” families didn’t swoon for Trump’s values. (Seems like an exploration of that topic might have uncovered some interesting forms of economic anxiety.)

— Greg Greene (@ggreeneva) July 2, 2018

‘As much as the fancy-pants elites hate to admit it, ordinary Americans love families, and imperfect though it may be, the Manson family really is a family.’

— El Çid (@EnBuenora) July 2, 2018

Man, the contortions these assholes will go through to avoid accepting that it’s just the racism they like. https://t.co/r3oBtoBu03

— The Rude Pundit (@rudepundit) July 2, 2018

Reality: Donald Trump is caging toddlers.

NYT: Donald Trump represents purple values and please read this fiftyleventh interview we've conducted with a random white person in Kansas.

— Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) July 2, 2018

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Creepy Evangelicals Open Thread: “Why Not Mike Pence?”

by Anne Laurie|  April 11, 20185:52 pm| 122 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Open Threads, Religious Nuts, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Assholes, Clap Louder!, Just Shut the Fuck Up

Mike Pence knew.
Mike Pence lied.
Mike Pence covered it up.
Mike Pence still knows.
Mike Pence is complicit.
Mike Pence was Manafort’s choice.

Which is why he’s been super quiet, isn’t that right @VP? ??

— Ricky Davila (@TheRickyDavila) April 10, 2018

Sure, Mike’s a moron, and a very public enabler for one of the grossest public figures of our time, but Ross “Chunky BoBo” Doubthat has a dream!

… In the 2016 election, once Marco Rubio was defeated and Ted Cruz dispatched, religious conservatives faced a binary choice: Vote Trump or get Hillary. One does not have to agree with the ultimate decision that most of them made to understand the logic that motivated a decision for Trump.

But the politics of the coming year, once the Mueller investigation ceases to be a black box and delivers whatever it’s going to deliver (you’ll get no predictions from me!), might offer a very different choice. If Trump were impeached and removed from the White House, the presidency would devolve to precisely the kind of man whom much of pre-Trump religious conservatism insisted that it wanted in the Oval Office: an evangelical Christian family man with a bluenose’s temperament and a boring Reaganite checklist of beliefs.

Which means that if, in what is no longer an absurd hypothetical, the president were to face real legal-political jeopardy over the Stormy Daniels business, the evangelical leaders currently fretting about Trump’s political position would face a case where doing the consistent thing — namely, returning to their Bill Clinton-era position that character counts in presidents and using illegal means to conceal gross infidelities are impeachable offenses — would actually deliver something closer to what they claimed to want, not so very long ago: not a liberal in the White House, but President Mike Pence…

A Republican Party that ran in 2020 with a boring Midwestern guy (albeit, yes, one sure to be trailed by protesters in Handmaid outfits) as the steward of prosperity would not necessarily be worse off than a party lashed to its current leader; if Gerald Ford could almost win in Nixon’s shadow, why not Pence in Trump’s? And a religious conservatism that sacrificed a lot of cultural credibility in defending Trump might regain a little by abandoning him, vindicating itself against what seem now like reasonable charges of “character for thee but not for me” hypocrisy…

It's bad for everyone to end up with Pence as President. We need to be clear that Pence isn't an improvement. https://t.co/odZOBRIBib

— melissa byrne (@mcbyrne) April 10, 2018

This is not a reason to be against the idea of impeachment. Pence is just as dirty as Trump, so he wouldn't last long either. https://t.co/FwrlTzHIgP

— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) April 10, 2018

I know the Repub, er “Evangelical” plan was to use Mike Pence as a catspaw cutout if/when Donny Dollhands got carted off by law enforcement, but the stench around His Vermillion Vulgarity is so intense it might even set Pence beyond the Pale. Ever-sensitive political weathervane Charlie ‘Chickenshit’ Baker, Republican governor of deep-blue Massachusetts, just made a rather public point of *not* showing up to greet Pence last night. Per the local right-wing tabloid, the Boston Herald:

…The Herald reported yesterday that Baker was snubbing the vice president, who was in Boston last night to meet with local Republicans at a fundraiser for Trump Victory, a joint venture of the Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign. ­Baker told reporters yesterday that he “reached out” to Pence’s office to inform the vice president’s aides that he would not be attending and that they understood his reasons.

The fundraiser at the Langham Hotel, which was expected to raise about $500,000, was closed to the press.

When first asked Monday about Pence’s visit, Baker said he had not been aware of the event ahead of time and had already committed to an appearance in southeastern Massachusetts…

Baker’s actual wording, as reported before the event:

Baker told reporters that he’s missing the Pence event “because my calendar has other stuff on it” and insisted he wasn’t trying to send a message to the Trump administration…

Yes, as a matter of fact, Baker is running for re-election this fall (don’t look at me, Massholes have a weird affectation concerning ‘moderate’ Repub governors, mostly since the office isn’t much more powerful in Massachusetts than it is in Texas). But if even Chickenshit Charlie can’t show Mike Dense a little public love, I don’t think Ross and his fellow sweaty ‘religious’ fellows are gonna have much luck pushing their Republic of Gilead dreams.

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Open Thread: What Kayla Moore “Knew”

by Anne Laurie|  November 18, 20177:21 am| 238 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Religious Nuts, Repubs in Disarray!, Decline and Fall

Girlfriend, you're not supposed to say these things out loud! Roy Moore's wife Kayla thinks Trump "owes them a thank you" for diverting attention from the Russia probe. https://t.co/kG1pL07PA8

— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) November 17, 2017

Kayla Moore: The @washingtonpost has called everyone I have never known for 40 years. They have called everyone my husband [Roy Moore] has ever known for 40 years." pic.twitter.com/rPKq0iK53A

— Scott McGrew (@ScottMcGrew) November 17, 2017

It is not, so I’ve read, uncommon for men with socially-unsanctioned sexual urges, once they approach forty, to “settle down” with a wife… who may, or may not, be aware of her spouse’s proclivities. Of course the hormones are less urgent as one ages, but just as importantly, an older man has much more to lose if his undercover activities are exposed; his credentials, his career, his network of social contacts become more valuable than the young man’s fantasy of escaping to a fresh start and a new identity. Frequently such men — such couples — become dependent, even to a cult-like degree, upon a rigid religious or ethical text that will “protect” them from the vile temptations of our sinful world. Roy Moore seems to have been a “social Christian” before his marriage; his determination to drag the rest of us into his interpretation of “Bible-based law” came with his… maturity.

Did Kayla Kisor know about her prospective husband’s dubious habits, back in 1985? She was in the same class as the woman who Roy called out of trig class to ask on a date. And she was sufficiently aware of possible embarrassment that she claimed they met at Bible study — when in reality, Roy would say that he first noticed her when she was 17 and performing at a junior college dance recital.

But what she knows now, for certain sure, is that she’s put 32 years into a fruitful working relationship, and suddenly it’s all coming undone, because Godless liberals:

“He has never one time lifted a finger to me. He is the most gentle, most kind man that I have ever known in my life. He’s godly. He’s loving — and everybody in this community knows it,” Kayla Moore, 56, said, looking around at the people gathered that night. “These are our church members, these are our family, these are our friends, these are people that know him just like I do.”

Over the past week, as several women have come forward to publicly accuse Roy Moore, 70, of pursuing them when they were teenagers and he was in his 30s, Kayla Moore has become her husband’s most visible and aggressive defender. In addition to her defense on Monday night, she has used Facebook to question the credibility of her husband’s accusers, threaten lawsuits and spread information that sometimes turns out to be false…

Friends describe Kayla Moore as a deeply religious wife, mother and grandmother who has devoted her life to her family and gushes lovingly about her four children and five grandchildren. She served on the board of her husband’s Foundation for Moral Law, which he founded to promote Christian values, and then took over the nonprofit as president in January 2013, when Roy Moore was elected to a second term on the state Supreme Court.

For years, Moore has helped coordinate her husband’s political campaigns. In his race for the Senate this year, the two have traveled nearly everywhere together — with him often at the wheel as she navigates…

The FML also paid Kayla Moore “a total of $195,000 over three years through 2015″, on top of Roy’s “salary of $180,000 a year for part-time work.” (And of course when she’s right by his side, it’s that much easier to be sure ol’ Roy doesn’t let his eyes or his hands wander.)

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… Upon learning that Washington Post reporters were contacting people she knows for this article, Moore on Wednesday posted one of the reporters’ personal cellphone numbers on her Facebook page, and a commenter posted a copy of that reporter’s résumé, which included her home address. Later in the day, Moore posted a link to the campaign website where people can now report any interaction they have with a reporter.

“In the past month our hometown, county, and state have been invaded by the Washington Post and liberal media,” Moore wrote. “We have had numerous reports of phone calls, cellphone calls, Messages, emails, even to the point of them showing up at peoples houses . . . It’s called a witch hunt. We are filing suit.”…

this is incredibly flattering to the thoroughness of the reporting at the Washington Post https://t.co/WfpOUCKaYX

— Matt Pearce ?? (@mattdpearce) November 17, 2017

As someone who’s been involved with the same guy for 40 years, I can understand Mrs. Moore’s quite genuine anger. Love and respect are important, but any relationship that long-standing is also going to involve some vulgar transactionalism as well, if only in the ‘two can live as cheaply as one’ sense. Win or lose — and there’s a lot to lose — this is almost certainly Roy’s last rodeo. Kayla, on the other hand, is too old to start over and too young for Social Security. Just when she should (finally!) be able to relax and enjoy the grandkids and her role among the ladies of her worship group, all this ugliness gets dragged up… and by people who aren’t even (the right kind of) Christians. I don’t sympathize, mind you — but I understand.

(Drew Sheneman via GoComics.com)
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