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Book Reviews: Dissecting the Monster, To Make Sure He’s Dead

by Anne Laurie|  July 13, 202111:19 pm| 47 Comments

This post is in: GOP Death Cult, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel, Trumpery

"You don't call facts ‘fake’ and then try to bring down the American experiment just because you're unhappy,” @POTUS says in Philadelphia, referring to Trump. “That’s not statesmanship. That’s selfishness.” pic.twitter.com/Ou87DxFiKV

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) July 13, 2021

Trigger warning: News of the latest books on TFG’s maladministration, below the fold…

So good. When Fox News called Arizona for Biden, Trump erupted in a fury and demanded that his aides call the Murdochs and pressure them to reverse it.

Rudy urged Trump to declare victory.

Excerpted from the new book by @CarolLeonnig and @PhilipRucker:https://t.co/XrBsxj8Sag pic.twitter.com/2TnpSKOcNj

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) July 13, 2021

… House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had been working toward this night for four years. For her, election night in 2016 had been a nightmare, and she was determined not to allow a repeat in 2020. “That night was like getting kicked in the back by a mule over and over again,” she said in an interview. The California Democrat recalled thinking that night about Trump’s surprise victory: “It can’t be true. It can’t be happening to our country.”

Pelosi added: “You understand that this is not a person of sound mind. You understand that. You know that. He’s not of sound mind …

One Trump confidant who mostly stayed out of the Map Room was Rudolph W. Giuliani. That’s because the president’s personal attorney had set up his own command center upstairs on the party floor. Giuliani sat at a table in the Red Room with his son, Andrew, who worked at the White House in the Office of Public Liaison, staring intensely at a laptop watching vote tallies. The Giulianis made for an odd scene, as partygoers swirled around them. After a while, Rudy Giuliani started to cause a commotion. He was telling other guests that he had come up with a strategy for Trump and was trying to get into the president’s private quarters to tell him about it. Some people thought Giuliani may have been drinking too much and suggested to Stepien that he go talk to the former New York mayor. Stepien, Meadows and Jason Miller took Giuliani down to a room just off the Map Room to hear him out…

Giuliani’s grand plan was to just say Trump won, state after state, based on nothing. Stepien, Miller and Meadows thought his argument was both incoherent and irresponsible.

“We can’t do that,” Meadows said, raising his voice. “We can’t.”…

William P. Barr had the same feeling. The attorney general had shown up for Trump’s election night party, even though he had thought for months that Trump was destined to become a one-term president. Trump didn’t seem able to get out of his own way and deliver a disciplined message. Barr hung around the party for a bit, but a little after 10 p.m. decided to call it a night. He went home to get some sleep…

[NB: Meadows and Barr hope for a future that doesn’t involve personal and professional shunning.]

Shortly after 2 a.m. on Nov. 4, “Hail to the Chief” played at the East Room party. Out walked Trump, followed by Melania Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and Karen Pence. Stephen Miller and the speechwriting team had prepared remarks for Trump to deliver, but the president veered from his teleprompter script to instead deliver stream-of-consciousness thoughts.

“We were winning everything and all of a sudden it was just called off,” Trump said. He added, “Literally, we were just all set to get outside and just celebrate something that was so beautiful, so good.”…

“This is a fraud on the American public,” the president said. “This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. We did win this election. So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment. This is a major fraud in our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at four o’clock in the morning and add them to the list, okay? It’s a very sad moment. To me, this is a very sad moment, and we will win this. And as far as I’m concerned, we already have won it.”

This was an extraordinary accusation for any political candidate to make about any election, much less for a sitting president to make about the country’s most consequential election. Trump was telling the 74 million people who voted for him not to trust the results…

Pelosi watched Trump’s speech in horror. “It was just a complete, total manifestation [of] insanity,” she recalled in the interview.

“It was clear over that four-year period that this was not a person who was on the level — on the level intellectually, on the level mentally, on the level emotionally and certainly not on the level patriotically,” she said. “So for him to say what he said, I wouldn’t say was [as] surprising as it might have been if we hadn’t seen the instability all along.”…

"[SecDef] Esper was a lifelong Republican and had worked at the conservative Heritage Foundation as well as for Republican senators …. But … as he watched TV news anchors cover the election results, he found himself rooting for the Democrat."https://t.co/zG918hmocP

— George Conway (@gtconway3d) July 13, 2021

Michael Bender’s Frankly, We Did Win This Election: The Inside Story of How Trump Lost:

Then-President Donald Trump said whoever "leaked" info on his stay in the White House bunker during protests should be "executed," a new book claims https://t.co/1KLmXjZ3fZ

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) July 13, 2021

I mean… https://t.co/XkLXRc2Uhp pic.twitter.com/8qFSiyGPyx

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) July 14, 2021


Michael Wolff’s Landslide: The Final Days of the Trump White House:

… Books like this usually burst out of the gate with a few newsmaking anecdotes, and Wolff does provide some of these. Trump believed that the Democratic Party’s elders would pull Biden, sure to lose, at the last minute, and replace him with a ticket of Andrew Cuomo and Michelle Obama. He toyed with the idea of using the pandemic as a pretext for indefinitely postponing the election. The most notorious line in his speech to the incipient mob on Jan. 6 — “we’re going to walk down to the Capitol” — was an ad-lib, not in the text his staff had prepared. But the strength of “Landslide” comes less from these stories and more from a coherent argument that Wolff, in partnership with his sources, makes about how we should understand the period between Nov. 3 and Jan. 20. Most quickly produced books about political events don’t do that…

More than all this, though, the quality of Trump’s that best explains what happened is that he commands a vast, enthusiastically loyal following that may represent as much as a quarter of the voting public, or even more, and a majority of the people who vote in Republican primaries. Nobody holding an appointed position has this, and very few elected officials do either. Wolff says the people around Trump believed he had “magical properties,” based on “a genius sense of how to satisfy the audience.” Everyone knew from firsthand observation how incompetent a chief executive he was: “Beyond his immediate desires and pronouncements, there was no ability — or structure, or chain of command, or procedures, or expertise, or actual person to call — to make anything happen.” Therefore they assumed that his postelection lunacy would have no consequences, and that it was safe to avoid any public argument with the president that might arouse the Republican base. Essentially the only nefarious misdeed he was capable of pulling off was the one he did pull off, not entirely wittingly: the power to incite a violent, democracy-subverting mob of his devotees.

Trump’s election, his term in office and the manner of his departure have reawakened a dormant debate about the essential health of the American political system. Are there too many barriers in the way of voting? Is the public misinformed? Do billionaires and other elites control the system? Do the Electoral College and the way congressional representation is apportioned overempower underpopulated rural areas? Wolff raises a more fundamental and frightening possibility: that the lesson of Trump is that in a democratic society, a malign and dangerous “crazy person,” especially one with a deep instinctive understanding of public opinion and the media, can become genuinely popular. Millions of Americans love Trump. As Wolff points out, after Jan. 6, his standing in the polls went up..

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For Discussion: Where Are the Plumbers of Tomorrow?

by Anne Laurie|  July 13, 20218:53 pm| 114 Comments

This post is in: Education, Excellent Links, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You

maybe it was a bad idea to spend so much time from, say, the mid-90s until the late 10's for us, collectively, as a country, from left to right, to act as if trade and labor jobs were where you ended up if you had no other skills or value https://t.co/5nzHATUHIM

— ANTI-HUSTLE MACHINE (@golikehellmachi) July 12, 2021

My old man always told us: Any job you can do indoors, sitting down, is not a ‘bad job’. But then…

The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water. – John W. Gardner

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trade and labor industries have done less than zero to help this situation, just to be clear. most of them are still old boys networks even while projects are dying on the vine.

— ANTI-HUSTLE MACHINE (@golikehellmachi) July 12, 2021

From a professional online training designer:

… i’m probably at the tail end of my generation in having been able to pick up a professional job without any college education, and my generation’s the last who were able to do so, and if i could do it differently, i would’ve chosen something other than this to do.

the worst part of this is that we’re in a pretty deep hole, labor-and-training-wise, it’ll take a long time to dig out, and there aren’t very many politicians working very hard to even start digging us out of it

having all sorts of brilliant STEM graduates won’t help us when we don’t have any buildings for them to work in and they can’t get to their offices or laboratories and there’s no one to actually build whatever they’ve designed

i also don't think anyone's learned their lesson here. i think even the brightest lights on the left* intrinsically value academic or scientific jobs significantly more than they do trade or labor jobs.

*there are no bright lights on the right

— ANTI-HUSTLE MACHINE (@golikehellmachi) July 12, 2021

this is one of those areas that i think liberals/democrats are super vulnerable on, and it would be doing a lot more damage to them if republicans hadn't basically given up welders in favor of car dealership owners

— ANTI-HUSTLE MACHINE (@golikehellmachi) July 12, 2021

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Tuesday Evening Open Thread: Schadenfreude, Earned

by Anne Laurie|  July 13, 20217:04 pm| 89 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You, Trump Crime Cartel, Trumpery, Schadenfreude

Oh No You Don’t: Fired Trump-Era Official Who Won’t Leave Is Blocked From Agency’s Computers https://t.co/cmrts1fwUg via @TPM

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 13, 2021

The Washington Post, industry paper for the company town whose monopoly is national politics, pulls no punches:

Ousted Social Security commissioner Andrew Saul, the Trump appointee who declared Friday he would defy his firing by President Biden, on Monday found his access to agency computers cut off, even as his acting replacement moved to undo his policies.

“I’m here to do the job,” Saul said from his home in Katonah, N.Y., where he had led the agency since the coronavirus pandemic forced most operations to shift in March 2020 to remote work, “but I can’t do anything with the communications shut down.”…

“There will be more,” said Saul, a wealthy former women’s apparel executive and prominent Republican donor who had served on the board of a conservative think tank that has called for cuts to Social Security benefits. “Stay tuned.”

His acting successor, Biden appointee Kilolo Kijakazi, took the reins Monday and was briefed by her staff on the agency’s top priorities, advocates in touch with her office said, including much anticipated planning for the safe reopening of Social Security’s national network of 1,200 field offices. The agency has been under pressure for months from lawmakers in both parties to return to serving the public in person after complaints from constituents who do not have access to the Internet.

“Acting Commissioner Kijakazi is engaging with her leadership team across the agency as she transitions into her new job,” spokesman Mark Hinkle wrote in an email. Saul’s name and that of deputy commissioner David Black, who resigned Friday following a request from the White House, were stripped from the agency’s organization chart.

Experts in federal personnel law, meanwhile, said it was doubtful that Saul could successfully sue the administration to get his job back, following two rulings by the Supreme Court that affirmed the authority of the president to fire the head of an independent agency with a single leader…

As head of an independent agency whose leadership has historically straddled incoming and outgoing presidential administrations, Saul had served for six months under Biden. But he had alienated key Democratic constituencies with a get-tough approach to federal employee unions and policies designed to clamp down on Americans’ eligibility for benefits. Labor leaders, advocates for the disabled and lawmakers on Capitol Hill called for months on Biden to dismiss him, asserting that he was a right-wing Trump advocate whose agenda was at odds with the administration’s.

A White House spokesman said Monday that any questions about Saul’s service to the federal government were resolved last week.

“As you know, the President asked for Andrew Saul’s resignation on Friday, and after he refused to submit it, his employment was terminated,” said Chris Meagher, a deputy White House press secretary. “As with any employment termination, the government has taken steps to offboard Andrew Saul as we would any other former employee.”…

Andrew Saul, a Trump administration holdover, called his departure a “palace coup” and suggested that steps to regain his position could be ahead https://t.co/SqYexObj11

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 13, 2021

And, speaking of offboarding…

NEW: Trump Org removes indicted CFO from leadership roles at more than 40 subsidiaries. CFO Allen Weisselberg remains at the company, a person close to Trump Org said. https://t.co/4Lz7bXgBV0

— David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) July 12, 2021


Apparently, it changes nothing — “Allen Weisselberg’s at the company. He’s got a job. He’s going to remain at the company.” –yet. Except that it’s always a bad sign when the fleeing miscreants start tossing underlings out of the getaway car.

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Open Thread: President Biden Live on Voting Rights

by TaMara (HFG)|  July 13, 20212:41 pm| 152 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, President Biden

This should be a Big Biden Deal. Hoping it really shifts the conversation and gets the ball rolling. We need action, not more words, IMHO.

Speech is supposed to begin at 2:50 edt

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The Forever War — Plus TV Reviews! (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  July 13, 202112:01 pm| 196 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads, Politics, TV & Movies

I got some insight yesterday into why I’m finding the endless internecine war within the Democratic Party so goddamned irritating lately. (Aside from the possibility that Republicans will successfully exploit the fissure to permanently effect a fascist takeover, I mean.) It was a Twitter exchange with a fellow liberal who lives in Alabama that led to the realization.

Ever since I moved back to my swampy home planet in a Trump +20 district, I have a better sense of who the REAL enemy is. The town just south of Tampa where we lived for 14 years before I came back home was majority Republican. We’d see Trump signs scattered around the neighborhood. But the people were mostly Jeb Bush Republicans, not Trump nutters, even if they voted for Trump.

I’m not making excuses for them; fuck those fascist enablers with their Big Bertha drivers! But here among the true believers who still maintain Trump shrines — not signs, actual fucking shrines — and participated in and/or supported the insurrection, the stakes are rather clearer to me.

So, I’ve got less patience with ongoing crap about the 2020 and 2016 primaries. I find the continued seething about Bernie Sanders less relevant and the present-day hostility toward Elizabeth Warren and the Squad inexplicable. There’s zero evidence any of these people are going to tank Biden’s agenda and pave the way for a Republican takeover in 2022. In fact, it looks like the only Democrats who might do that are the Squad’s opposite numbers in the party, who may still be brought around, I sincerely hope.

Anyhoo, anyone who enjoys shitting on progressives who are fellow Democrats or cranky old independents who caucus with Democrats should feel free to continue to do so! Crapping on centrist Dems is also fair game in my book. I’m not trying to change the tenor of the discussion of either topic around here or on Twitter, any more than I’d attempt to change the course of the Mississippi River, which I suspect would be as futile. Just sharing an epiphany I had about my own attitude toward the topic and why it evolved.

TV Reviews

Have y’all seen “Unbelievable” on Netflix? Seems like I remember some talk about it around here a while ago and meant to watch it but then forgot it existed (I should really write things down). Well, I finally did watch it, and wow, was it good! Tough subject matter (sexual assault), but the acting was amazing.

Toni Collette is in it. I’ve loved her since “Muriel’s Wedding,” and she was great in this too. Merritt Wever is also outstanding, and it kept bugging me that I couldn’t remember where I’d seen her before, but it turns out she was the rookie nurse in “Nurse Jackie” (I had to look it up). I’d never seen Kaitlyn Dever (who played one of the victims) in anything before, but she was awesome too. Also Dale Dickey — RoseMarie in “Unbelievable” — who played the scariest meth kingpin mamaw ever in “Winter’s Bone.”

Well worth a watch! Another highly recommended show: “Hacks” on HBO, which features the incomparable Jean Smart. Seen anything else that’s worth watching?

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Tuesday Morning Open Thread: We Can’t Afford to Think Too Small

by Anne Laurie|  July 13, 20217:12 am| 248 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You

Psaki on the path forward on infrastructure: "We expect there to be some significant ups and downs but we are ready for it. We're bracing for it, we're also ready for it." She also tells @justinsink that President Biden will meet with lawmakers this week on his economic agenda.

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) July 12, 2021

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, appearing Monday at the National Association of Counties Conference, outside Washington, said that House Democrats will not stop insisting that a second, separate infrastructure bill be part of any deal. 1/2

— Billy House (@HouseInSession) July 12, 2021

On the plan before the Senate now, specifically, Pelosi said House Democrats want a much "greener" approach, and more money for broadband than the $65 billion contained in that proposal.

— Billy House (@HouseInSession) July 12, 2021

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New Washington Post video:

Why Congress decided to bring back earmarks after a 10-year ban

With analysis from:@pkcapitol@mollyereynolds@PeterStevenson

Senior produced by:@jayneore

Graphics by:@SarahJHashemihttps://t.co/k1LI4ftFSK pic.twitter.com/HVZapA5anE

— JM Rieger (@RiegerReport) July 12, 2021

Opinion: Moderates want to cut the spending on Biden’s plan. They should remember 2010. https://t.co/d6tmfuaD1q

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 13, 2021

Analysis: What happens to the economy when $5.2 trillion in stimulus wears off? https://t.co/JrWbNnRdyq

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 12, 2021

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Fighting the Pandemic Grifters: Some Longer Reads

by Anne Laurie|  July 12, 20219:05 pm| 59 Comments

This post is in: COVID-19 Coronavirus, Foreign Affairs, Grifters Gonna Grift, Republican Venality

NEW: Bidenworld is taking a more aggressive approach to combat vaccine fear-mongering by conservative forces.
That includes
– Calling on SMS carriers to mete out false messages
– urging social media platforms to fact-check

w/ @EugeneDaniels2 https://t.co/HlAcOnQRgA

— Natasha Korecki (@natashakorecki) July 12, 2021

… The White House has decided to hit back harder on misinformation and scare tactics after Republican lawmakers and conservative activists pledged to fight the administration’s stated plans to go “door-to-door” to increase vaccination rates. The pushback will include directly calling out social media platforms and conservative news shows that promote such tactics.

“The big misinterpretation that Fox News or whomever else is saying is that they are essentially envisioning a bunch of federal workers knocking on your door, telling you you’ve got to do something that you don’t want to do,” Anthony Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser, said in an interview on Sunday. “That’s absolutely not the case, it’s trusted messengers who are part of the community doing that — not government officials. So that’s where I think the disconnect is.”…

Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely.

“We are steadfastly committed to keeping politics out of the effort to get every American vaccinated so that we can save lives and help our economy further recover,” White House spokesperson Kevin Munoz said. “When we see deliberate efforts to spread misinformation, we view that as an impediment to the country’s public health and will not shy away from calling that out.” …

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Indeed, over the past few weeks, criticism of the administration’s door-to-door vaccination strategy has increasingly become a fixture on Fox News, in addition to being a top topic on conservative social media posts and over SMS messages to cell phone users. It’s coming at a time when the highly contagious Delta variant is triggering a rise in hospitalizations and infections among those who have not been vaccinated. Those who are door knocking are individuals like pastors or grassroots organizers, not government bureaucrats. And they are not delivering vaccines, but spreading the word on where and how to get vaccinated, and why it’s important to do so. To the degree that people understand that, the White House reasons, it could have a positive impact on increasing vaccinations.

That hasn’t stopped conservative media figures from misrepresenting those efforts in strident, almost apocalyptic terms.

Charlie Kirk, the pro-Trump co-founder of the conservative student organization Turning Point USA, said on Fox last week that he was embarking on a “massive public relations campaign” around vaccination efforts, which he compared it to an “Apartheid-style open air hostage situation.” (Turning Point’s other founder, Bill Montgomery, died last year from coronavirus-related complications.)…

In an interview with Right Side Broadcasting during the Conservative Political Action Conference, Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) offered a different variety of false scare tactics, suggesting that the administration would use door-to-door vaccination efforts as a means to “take your guns” and “your Bibles.” …

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Chimera Investments?!?

??Documents obtained by The Moscow Times and interviews with officials and vaccine buyers reveal a secretive deal between Russia and a Dubai royal to supply poor countries with Sputnik V — at a high price. Investigation with @JakeCordell and @felix_light https://t.co/Adn7jlddOJ

— Pjotr Sauer (@PjotrSauer) July 9, 2021

… Since the outbreak of the coronavirus, Russia has advertised Sputnik V as a “vaccine for all mankind” and promoted the jab across the developing world as a cheap route out of the pandemic. But documents obtained by The Moscow Times, as well as interviews with officials and vaccine buyers, show that countries from Pakistan to Guyana have been forced to deal with a royal middleman and companies based in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) acting as official Sputnik V resellers asking clients to pay more than double Russia’s advertised price to get their hands on the jab.

The deals have left a trail of controversy in their wake, threatening to undermine Russia’s already troubled vaccine diplomacy efforts.

The setup hinges on an arrangement between the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) and Aurugulf Health Investments, an Abu Dhabi-based company established late last year with close connections to Emirati royalty. RDIF granted Aurugulf exclusive rights to sell and distribute its flagship Sputnik V vaccine in countries around the world, documents reveal, with Sheikh Ahmed Dalmook al-Maktoum, a low-ranking Dubai royal, acting as the chief dealmaker…

Chimera Investments — the company Sarraf visited in Abu Dhabi — is a subsidiary of Royal Group, a sprawling conglomerate run by powerful royal Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed al-Nahyan, UAE’s national security advisor and brother of the current leader of Abu Dhabi. The al-Nahyan family is one of the six ruling families of the UAE.

Corporate registry data seen by The Moscow Times also shows that Royal Group is one of two entities controlling Aurugulf, which was registered in Abu Dhabi in October 2020 — two months after Sputnik V was authorized in Russia and weeks into RDIF’s intense marketing drive. The company has little corporate presence, according to registry data shared by corporate intelligence outfit Diligencia…

The use of the Emirati scheme to sell Sputnik V has been met with uproar in almost every country where a supply deal is known to have taken place.

In Pakistan and Lebanon, private companies leapt at the chance to get vaccines, circumventing sluggish national rollouts and delays to the WHO’s own vaccine sharing Covax facility. Sarraf said that in just seven days businesses requested vaccines for 830,000 people — 12% of Lebanon’s population — at $38 per jab plus hospital fees, more than half the country’s monthly minimum wage.

Local Pakistani supplier AGP is embroiled in legal proceedings after selling its first batches to private clinics and is now battling with the government over what price the precious jabs can be sold at. It paid a wholesale price of $22.50 each for the first batch of 50,000 doses, which arrived in Karachi on March 17 having been shipped from Abu Dhabi via Bahrain, transport documents show. That’s more than twice Russia’s advertised selling price, even before private hospitals added their own mark up.

The shipment of the vaccines cost less than $0.10 per dose, according to an air freight receipt obtained by The Moscow Times…

For Russia, theories ranging from a desire to limit its liability to attempts to curry favor with the Emirati elite have been put forward as possible reasons for the deal…

Or, then again (says the cynic), maybe Putin-favored Russian oligarchs are making bank while the banking’s good?

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A group of virologists makes a case against the 'lab-leak notion.'.Scientific findings show spillover from animal to human. Wet markets in Wuhan sold live animals susceptible to the virus, including palm civets & raccoon dogs 2 yrs before the pandemic https://t.co/QRLTBzKP7y pic.twitter.com/2Q44GG7CNQ

— delthia ricks 🔬 (@DelthiaRicks) July 10, 2021


The neverending battle:

In the latest volley of the debate over the origins of the coronavirus, a group of scientists this week presented a review of scientific findings that they argue shows a natural spillover from animal to human is a far more likely cause of the pandemic than a laboratory incident.

Among other things, the scientists point to a recent report showing that markets in Wuhan, China, had sold live animals susceptible to the virus, including palm civets and raccoon dogs, in the two years before the pandemic began. They observed the striking similarity that Covid-19’s emergence had to other viral diseases that arose through natural spillovers, and pointed to a variety of newly discovered viruses in animals that are closely related to the one that caused the new pandemic…

In the new paper, the scientists provided more evidence in favor of the virus having spilled over from an animal host outside of a laboratory. Joel Wertheim, a virologist at the University of California, San Diego, and a co-author, said that an important point in support of a natural origin was the “uncanny similarity” between the Covid and SARS pandemics. Both viruses emerged in China in the late fall, he said, with the first known cases popping up near animal markets in cities — Wuhan in the case of Covid, and Shenzen in the case of SARS.

Reminder: It took more than a dozen years to verify the animal reservoir for SARS, so the source for COVID-19 is unlikely to be solved before the 2022 midterms. (And even if it were, of course the GOP Death Cultists would lie about it.)

From a salty thread, by actual virologist:

There's multiple lines of evidence, including:
-Live susceptible animals sold in Wuhan, just like what happened with SARS-CoV
-Common supply chains could lead to animals at multiple markets infected with the same virus
-Epi data suggests a connection with live animal markets

— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) July 7, 2021


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Excess deaths from pneumonia follow a similar pattern. The area where WIV is the last to be impacted. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 did not start spreading near WIV, but near multiple markets with confirmed live animals in fall of 2019.https://t.co/1tGm1Gh9EY pic.twitter.com/YbsoYJAXrv

— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) July 7, 2021

Or that the exact same thing (cryptic spread to a location thousands of miles away) happened with SARShttps://t.co/WTRBF6ldC2

— jeff brender (@JeffBrender) July 8, 2021

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