Late Night Self-Indulgence Open Thread: #BernOuts on Parade

I’m writing up a post about last weekend’s Sanders-centric “People’s Summit”, which was… not nearly as big a fustercluck as one might have expected, given the participants. But there’s still an excitable #BernieorBust core having a little trouble with a certain enemy of the state known as “math”…

In related anti-DNC actions: Cheri Honkala has some experience at grabbing free media, but I’m not 100% convinced this is her most viable publicity idea. (On the other hand, since she’s protested food insecurity among the homeless, collecting canned beans could be useful.) Via commentor Ecomcon:

Cheri Honkala, the leader of the Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign, announced that her group was organizing the world’s largest “fart-in” to be held on July 28 at the Wells Fargo Center during Hillary Clinton’s anticipated acceptance speech for the Democratic nomination.

“We will be holding a massive bean supper for Bernie Sanders delegates on American Street in my Kensington neighborhood on the afternoon of July 28,” she said. “We are setting up a Clintonville there, modeled on the Hoovervilles of the 1930s where the poor and unemployed built shanty towns. The Sanders delegates, their bellies full of beans, will be able to return to the Wells Fargo Center and greet the rhetorical flatulence of Hillary Clinton with the real thing.”

Honkala said she would issue an invitation to Sanders to join the bean supper, which she is calling Beans for Hillary. She has asked donors to send cans of beans to 1301-W Porter Street, Philadelphia, Pa., 19148.
h/t truthdig

Offering oneself as an expert in flatulence seems… open to misinterpretation?

Further Airing of the Grievances

So, Bernie Sanders gave a speech last night. We’ve been talking about it. I’m sure some of y’all are sick of the entire discussion, which is fine — lots of other interesting threads below, or, if your scroll is sticky, there’s sure to be another up top soon.

But I’m one of those annoying assholes who believe the only way to work through a conflict is to get everything on the table. (The four scariest words in my family are “we need to talk…”)

It’s not that I enjoy picking at scabs (well, maybe a little). It’s that only in this way can we come together and move forward. Or decide that each other are irredeemable morons upon whom we should not bother to waste another pixel and look for other allies instead. Either outcome is progress! Read more

Late Night Bern-Off Open Thread: Go AWAY, Bernie

bernie granpa in the war toles

(Tom Toles via

Unlike the Blogmaster, I was not impressed by Senator Sanders’ My dream will never die, screw the rest of you” non-concession speech this evening. Of course, I am a Hillbot, and more important, have been a Democrat all my life, good times (and candidates) and bad. So, yes, I am biased against the old crank who shows up at the block party without an invite, doesn’t bring so much as a bag of store-brand chips to share, harangues everyone he can corner, pisses off the people who’ve been doing the grunt work for years and encourages the malcontents and youngbloods to pull stupid stunts. If I wanted to listen to a cranky old alte kacker yarp on about how he was the only pure operative in the entire world, I could’ve stayed in the Bronx — and he could’ve stayed in Brooklyn. Okay, he’s “excited a new generation” and “moved the discussion leftward” (for some tightly defined values of excitement and leftward). At this point, he’s just leaching attention away from our real enemies, who happen to be in charge of the Republican party.

Before Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) headed to the floor yesterday to begin a marathon gun safety speech, his office reached out to members of the 46-member Democratic caucus. By the end of it, early Thursday morning, Murphy announced that the Democrats would get votes on Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s legislation to prevent people on the terror watch list from buying guns, and his own legislation to expand background checks. Thirty-eight of his fellow senators joined the filibuster, allowing Murphy to rest, reading comments from the Internet or describing mass shootings in their own states.

Not among them: Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The runner-up in the Democratic presidential primaries was in Burlington, Vt., ahead of a simulcast speech to supporters today. (He is not expected to concede.) He’d been in Washington the night before the filibuster began, for the Democratic luncheon and a meeting with Hillary Clinton, but he was not able to return to the city…

Sanders, who opposed the Brady Bill that expanded background checks and waiting periods, has since come into sync with the Democratic caucus… On Wednesday, he tweeted in support of the filibuster…

He sent a tweet — what more do you expect? One thing Bernie does have in common with Donald Trump, apart from their mutual unwillingness to release tax returns: He can’t be arsed to do anything that doesn’t immediately redound to the greater glory of His Own Magnificent Personage.

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Last Exit Before Palookaville

Bernie Sanders is staging a virtual campaign rally tonight. According to Maddow, the event won’t include a concession and endorsement of Hillary Clinton. Early indications are that Sanders will attempt to settle scores and assert co-leadership on policy with the actual winner of the primary all the way to Philly.

How will the party respond to its rogue runner up? Here’s what I’d say on the process issues if I ran the zoo:

1. Debbie Wasserman Schultz stays. Look, I’m not her biggest fan either, okay? But she’s moving on after the election anyway, so demands for her scalp now are petty score-settling. Besides, she serves at the pleasure of the president, not the 2nd place finisher in a party primary.

2. We’ll revisit superdelegates before the next presidential primary but after 2016. Superdelegates had fuck-all to do with the outcome in 2008 and 2016. But if the fondest hopes of the Berniacs come true, we’ll need superdelegates this year to serve as deus ex machina to hand the nomination to Sanders, right? Issue tabled.

3. The states get to decide whether to hold open or closed primaries. Joining a party is free. If you’re in a closed primary state and want to have a say in who gets the Democratic nomination, join the fucking party! You can always unenroll after the primary if you’re afraid of establishment cooties. If you have quibbles about time requirements, etc., join the party and try to change them. And if you care about small “d” democracy, agitate at the state level to abolish the patently undemocratic caucuses. (Oh wait…)

As for policy issues, is the Sanders campaign even talking about them anymore? If so, the Sanders people should hash that shit out using the extraordinarily generous allotment of platform seats ebil witch DWS assigned them. But the primary is over, and Clinton won. She gets to campaign on her policies, however unfair that may seem.

Contrary to the opinion of some Sanders detractors here, I think Sanders has some genuine accomplishments he can point to in the race. He eschewed super PACs and still managed to raise an astonishing amount of money. His surprising competitiveness kept his signature issues front and center throughout the primaries.

I don’t think he dragged Clinton to the left as much as he imagines since she was mostly there anyways; their Senate records weren’t that far apart, and President Obama’s success and the Republican fail parade has allowed the party to more boldly claim its traditional turf. But arguably Sanders made Clinton’s previous support for TPP untenable and compelled her to focus on the minimum wage and college tuition more than she would have otherwise.

Sanders’ biggest asset in the primary was his ability to appeal to young voters. That’s important. But he’s busily squandering the value of his base by insinuating that the process was unfair and that he (and they) were robbed, thus removing their motivation to vote for the Democrat in the general election.

Even if you take the hardcore Sandersite view that Clinton is a principles-free triangulator (which I emphatically do not), does it make sense to remove your bargaining chips from the table and force Clinton to rely on peeling off disaffected Republicans to beat Trump? How does that advance progressive causes?

But there’s still time to take the last exit before Palookaville. That our opponent is a stunningly malignant buffoon should be all the motivation a person who puts country before self needs to do the right thing.

Sadly, I no longer expect that Sanders will. But happily, I don’t think it will matter all that much anyway.

Allow Me a Moment to Rant about the God Damned Kids (Alternate Working Title- Your Drum Circle and Feelings Entitles You to Zero Votes)


So right now, this is where we stand.

– Hillary has won an outright majority of pledged delegates. She has won 2184 of them to Bernie’s 1804.

– Hillary has won an outright majority of the votes, She has, as of right now, 15,571,64 to Bernie’s 11,888,779, a margin of 3,682,864.

– She has won the majority of primaries. Bernie has most of his wins in caucuses.

– She has an overwhelming majority of Superdelegates.

And yet we are met daily with a barrage of “the system is rigged,” pissing and moaning about closed primaries, and mentions about the kids and the future.

I’m sick of it. The future is the future. This is about here and now. She’s won. End of story. Anything else is just delusional.

But let me get back to the god damned kids. I honestly don’t care if a bunch of political neophytes have a sad because Bernie isn’t going to win. I don’t care if they hold a hissy fit. It’s time for them to grow the fuck up, and I am tired of the Bernie or Busters trashing the Democratic party because they don’t get their way.

Here’s the deal. I was a republican for years. I was a member of the party. I donated to them, voted for them, and worked to elect Republicans. I then realized I was an idiot and all the things I thought they stood for they don’t, and I beat a hasty retreat.

I looked around. I thought about just going independent. I nixed the idea because I realized this is a two party system, and if I want to be an effective part of the process, I had to be involved. So I joined the Democrats. I donate to the DNC, the DSCC, the DCCC, to individual candidates, to Democratic causes. I went and will go door to door. I phone banked. I helped raise money for Democrats. I feel a bit of ownership in my party. And my party chose Hillary Clinton, and that is who I am going to support in the fall.

I am also an adult, and realize that you take the good with the bad in a party. For every Sherrod Brown and Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar, there is a Ben Nelson. But that doesn’t change the fact that overall, the Democratic party has and continues to be, overall, a force for good. I’m proud to be a Democrat. I like putting the sticker on my car and the sign in my yard, because I am proud of the party. I feel a sense of ownership an d personal pride because I have helped to make the party what it is.

So it really fucking pisses me off when I hear a bunch of kids who just recently even became old enough to vote, or a bunch of disaffected independents who could never bother to commit to a party because they are just above it all or too special to fit into the confines of the two parties or angry bitter old leftists screaming that Nader was right and the Democratic party is no different than the Republicans screaming that their guy, who has been a Democrat for a year, doesn’t get to win because they have really strong feels.

I want to kick puppies when I hear the whining about closed primaries. I wish they were all closed primaries. I think Democrats should choose the Democratic candidates. Fuck you, you special flower. Go join the Greens and vote for Jill Stein. In the general, you can vote for whomever is on the ballot. But in the primaries, you have to choose a party. Fucking deal.

I’m sick of the bullshit. Every time I hear the whining about the kids- “They love Bernie. They are the future!” – all I can think is well, maybe the can join the Democrats, put in the money, blood, sweat, and tears, and in a couple cycles they will create a movement within the party large enough that someone like Bernie Sanders will win. And you know what, if they do, loyal Dems like me will phone bank and go door to door and work to elect that person.

Basically, what we are dealing with when we hear about the kids not getting their way with Bernie is the political equivalent as the same annoying entitled fucks who at the age of 22 go on House Hunters and demand granite countertops and stainless steel appliances and his and her en suite bathrooms and wood floors and a big deck because “they like to entertain.” Go earn that shit, and until then, go fuck yourself. Here- a bunch of old dudes wrote a song about this before you were born, you obnoxious little shits.

Your drum circle entitles you to zero votes. Also, get off my grass.

PS- Richard and Tom are far more mature than me. But we all knew this.