All I can say is, we win. Either one of our remaining candidates is light years ahead of the crazy, dishonest, manipulative smarmy freaks I saw on tv last night debating in front of the corpse of Nancy Reagan.
Night and day. That’s the difference between yesterday’s farce, and today’s debate.
2.
yet another jeff
Yeah, compare the crowds…the audiences. I was worried about McCAAAAIIIINNNNN!!! against Hillary, but he’s looking old lately…tired…like a less energetic Bob Dole.
3.
yet another jeff
Um…why did we get a reaction shot of Jason Alexander???
4.
Haltelcere
Nice parry by Obama with the stupid question trying to create additional tension between the Black and Hispanic communities. Scapegoating, as he said, is exactly what that question was about.
5.
D-Chance.
Obama’s fairly sharp tonight. Side-by-side and one-on-one, Hillary suffers due to simple comparison. Healthcare discussion got a bit wonkish and detail-sluggish, and I’m still wary of this “mandate” coverage of Hillary’s. Also, don’t give me any more “no substance” crap about Obama. It’s there if you’ll listen.
BTW, just for fun, O’Reilly was showing pictures of unmanned footbridges on the border and screaming, “See? See? Here’s how the tairsts and drug-runners are invading our country!” Brought Chertoff on, who explained that it’s not that easy and that some property owners don’t even want border patrol on their land. To which Big O screamed, “Eminent Domain!” Yes, O’Reilly wants the government to steal your land from you. Perry is already doing it with this stupid Trans-Texas Corridor; now, it’s being suggested for the border fence. Texas will be all government-owned property before long…
6.
lee
Since this is an open thread….
I want to propose a new tag for posts.
It will be for when the post is pointing out how someone who formally was adamantly against candidate X now supports the same person once they are the nominee (e.g. RedState starting to support McCain).
Three hours of local talk radio about that this evening — McCain is too old, Bob Dole, yadda yadda yadda.
9.
yet another jeff
I’ve stood with the farmers…well, not literally.
Drivers licenses…so…it’s better to have illegals drive illegally, without even the possibility of getting auto insurance to you get in a wreck with an undocumented person, you’re just screwed.
10.
Haltelcere
Oooh – Divisiveness! Divisiveness! Who said what, when, then changed their stance, when, about drivers licenses!
11.
Conservatively Liberal
On drivers licenses for illegal immigrants:
Clinton: ‘… people .. who …… are …… here …… with .. out .. documentation.’
I had to laugh my ass off at that tap dance around the ‘illegal immigrant’ phrase. The pauses between the words was absolutely priceless! Talk about steering to the center/right on this issue. She is against drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, and gave an example of someone she met yesterday who said that they used to be able to find lots of construction work but now they are only hiring illegals. She said that giving illegals drivers licenses will only encourage more illegals taking more jobs from American workers.
But she does want ‘comprehensive immigration reform’, which she says would render the license problem moot. Some red meat for the right, and some red meat for the left. More triangulation…lol!
Of course, Barack is all for drivers licenses and ‘comprehensive immigration reform’. No waffling there…lol!
We have found a difference between Hillary and Barack! Stop the presses!
12.
Scotty
They’re playing the “don’t fuck up 5 days before Super Tuesday” game. And I can’t say I’m surprised about that.
Texas will be all government-owned property before long…
Not likely, bu t I under stand why you might think so.
McCain moves his arms as if he has no elbows, like Barney the Dinosaur.
Hang by your arms behind your back for a few hours TZ and you might look a tad better. There is no reason now, with the intertubes and all, for you to say such a thing.
Why anyone listens to responds positively to you on this blig, I will never understand. You have your snap opinions and treat everything as a farce. Perhaps you are just that cynical.
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myiq2xu
Well, I watched last night. I am watching now.
That was a real debate last night? I thought it was a spoof on Comedy Central. No wonder the actors looked so much like the real candidates.
15.
D-Chance.
Driver’s licenses for illegals still seems to be a sore spot for both of them. Looked like it was going to get a bit testy before Wolf called for the break.
16.
yet another jeff
That’s right, TZ…no making fun of MCCCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIINNNN!!!! and how he moves his arms currently…because he was tortured in Vietnam.
Fucking MBA’s have ruined everything…someone fetch me a Bill Hicks youtube video!
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myiq2xu
On drivers licenses for illegal immigrants:
Clinton: ‘… people .. who …… are …… here …… with .. out .. documentation.’
I had to laugh my ass off at that tap dance around the ‘illegal immigrant’ phrase. The pauses between the words was absolutely priceless! Talk about steering to the center/right on this issue.
I wasn’t watching the NH debate but I was here and I recall several commenters describing Hillary’s “meltdown” and talking about how she had “lost it.”
Imagine my surprise when I saw the clip of her “meltdown” and she wan’t foaming at the mouth or ranting and raving.
One of the keys to accurate analysis is to put aside personal feelings.
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yet another jeff
Should people look back fondly on a time when they were happy? Or…
I liked Wolf better during the first Gulf war…probably because the rule was that we had to take a drink anytime someone on CNN said “Wolf.”
26.
dougie smooth
Wow does Hillary have a condescending look on her face whenever Barry’s talking. Smug much?
27.
myiq2xu
I wasn’t aware that a POW injury was the cause of that. In that case, I certainly withdraw the comment.
He still resembles the Crypt Keeper though.
28.
socraticsilence
Seriously, Hilary seems to have the polciy crap down, but um so did Kerry and Al Gore, Obama, seems to have a good grasp of the issues but is able to come across better. Frnakly , I think this will be one of thsoe debzates that looks decent for Clinton at first and then much loike Gore and Kerry is spun into a weakness because she has negative charisma.
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Haltelcere
Oh! There was a Clinton button I was supposed to be focusing on with that camera shot! :-D
I’d like to take a swipe at Wolf. What an unbelievable cock knocker.
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yet another jeff
Yeah, Iraq needs to stop trying to blow us up or we’ll just leave…
34.
Conservatively Liberal
OT:
Global Warming: I am at the back of the house when I hear a ‘brrrrrrraap brrrrrraap’ noise. I go outside, and I find a woodpecker is living inside the eave of our rental home. A frickin woodpecker on the south Oregon coast in January?! We have seen a couple of flocks of birds flying north and stopping to feed locally. Large flocks, not just a few birds.
I was out in the garage a few days ago and there were bumblebees flying around the plants in the front of the yard.
Nope, can’t be any such thing as GW. It is all propaganda…
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yet another jeff
Wolf is really sad there’s not more divisiveness.
36.
Haltelcere
Lets see Bush say “gravitas” without stumbling all over himself!
37.
Dug Jay
The new TV ad starting to run by a group supoporting Hillary could be mighty effective in parts of California and elsewhere if they roll it out. It’s a not so subtle ad depicting Obama’s complete support for drivers licenses for illegals. They have a short clip with NY Governor Spitzer talking about his since abandoned plan to give all NY illegals drivers licenses followed by a clip of Obama saying that he agrees with that idea.(I think that may have happened at an early debate.)
38.
Haltelcere
There is that “gravitas” word again. Are Clinton and Obama just showing off now that they have a vocabulary greater than a 4th grader?
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yet another jeff
Yes, it’s much better to have illegals driving around without drivers licenses…
40.
dougie smooth
Oh, thanks Wolf for prompting Barry with the Petraeus answer you wanted to hear. I wish a tiger would rush out and lick his beard off.
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yet another jeff
Can’t she just channel Kerry? “Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did? I don’t think anybody did.”
42.
myiq2xu
OMG – Here’s a real shocking piece of news from Think Progress:
President Bush’s close political adviser Karl Rove will reportedly be joining Fox News as an on-air contributor to be “used throughout Super Tuesday coverage.”
Nope, can’t be any such thing as GW. It is all propaganda…
Maybe you don’t have cable either . . I think it’s funny in a sad sort of way when my local ‘news’ radio station mocks GW when it gets terribly cold around here. When those heat waves come through in early January, they shut up.
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yet another jeff
Hmmm, don’t worry Wolf, those weren’t boos…they were saying Wooooooooooolf.
45.
myiq2xu
Lets see Bush say “gravitas” without stumbling all over himself!
Shit, he probably thinks it has something to do with planets.
Man, did Hillary just dig herself into a hole trying to explain her Iraq vote.
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yet another jeff
He’s not a whore, he’s a the boss pimp…all the whores work for him.
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Conservatively Liberal
myiq2xu Says:
One of the keys to accurate analysis is to put aside personal feelings.
One must also refrain from projecting their opinions on what are simply others opinions. I know, you are always right and everyone else is wrong. You are perfect, and thus you have a firm grasp on the realities of life. It is your goal in life to hang out on internet blogs and pour your perfection into every single post you make. Hillary is perfect, and she is your soulmate. You cuddle with a picture of her taped on a blow up doll so you are not lonely at night. You record her speeches and play them back through headphones while you are sleeping to make sure you get all of the subliminal messages right.
You are great and we are squat. Right, gotcha.
Oh, and on your McCain and Crypt Keeper quip: You go get tortured as a POW and voluntarily stay imprisoned even though you could leave due to your father’s position. He was tortured even more for staying with the rest of his men. Your cheap shot just shows what a shallow person you are.
McCain may not be the best person politically, but his military record is unimpeachable. He served, and served well. You? I have no idea, but I really don’t care. I think you are a fuckfaced asshole.
In the interest of full disclosure, things I have said before about McCain:
I honor his service and his POW ordeal. For that he is a hero.
But as a politician and senator, I do not like him, and I have made no secret of it.
I have to admit, I might be the only person who didn’t know about the arm injury thing. If I didn’t have such a dislike for him, I might have known more about that.
So if I offended him or anyone on the arm thing, my apologies.
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yet another jeff
I missed the part where someone mocked McCAAAAAAIIINNN’s military record in the thread…can someone point me to it?
52.
The Moar You Know
Conservatively Liberal:
Your perfunctory outrage on behalf of a member of our fine military has been noted. +2 Patriot points for you.
I missed the part where someone mocked McCAAAAAAIIINNN’s military record in the thread
Well I made a snarky crack about the way he moves his arms, and the remark offended others here. I didn’t know that the arm thing was the result of a POW injury, therefore when this was pointed out to me, I withdrew the comment and made clear that his military and POW record make him a hero.
Not qualified for any particular office, AFAIC, but definitely a hero.
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SmilingPolitely
Every time Hillary opens her mouth and releases that cackle, she comes across like some villain from a Disney cartoon.
Barney. You know Barney. He’s a dinasuar for children.
Moar, thanks for only reading part of the thread.
it’s ok.
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The Moar You Know
Thyme Zone:
Your failure to have memorized the entire timeline of the military career of John McCain, Hero Of The State and Official Presidential Candidate, has been noted. -4 Patriot Points for you.
61.
Jake
Yaaaaaaaaaaawn. Know I should watch, can’t make myself watch. It isn’t the debates per se, it’s the thought of yet another tsunami of wankery and hackery inspired by the debates that makes me cringe.
I’ll vote for whoever promises a pony in every garage. With the ongoing economic disaster we’ll need an alternate source of food.
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myiq2xu
I know, you are always right and everyone else is wrong. You are perfect, and thus you have a firm grasp on the realities of life. It is your goal in life to hang out on internet blogs and pour your perfection into every single post you make.
Project much?
Hillary is perfect, and she is your soulmate. You cuddle with a picture of her taped on a blow up doll so you are not lonely at night. You record her speeches and play them back through headphones while you are sleeping to make sure you get all of the subliminal messages right.
You obviously have issues.
Oh, and on your McCain and Crypt Keeper quip: You go get tortured as a POW and voluntarily stay imprisoned even though you could leave due to your father’s position. He was tortured even more for staying with the rest of his men. Your cheap shot just shows what a shallow person you are.
So no jokes about McCain? Ever? Jeebus.
And what did I say to set you off?
One of the keys to accurate analysis is to put aside personal feelings.
Wow, I guess that comment was waaaaaay over the line. Everything you say is much more collegial and positive.
I think you are a fuckfaced asshole.
Or maybe not.
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yet another jeff
Right, I recall that, even made my own snark about how seriously your snark was taken. But my snark that inspired your snark generated no rage from random people…so there. cynical bastard!
I didn’t know that the arm thing was the result of a POW injury, therefore when this was pointed out to me, I withdrew the comment and made clear that his military and POW record make him a hero.
I didn’t call him a hero. I think that your comparing him to Barney was off limits.
But you, TZ go ahead and complain that you were restricted in voiving you opinion because of some PC limitations.
I think that your comparing him to Barney was off limits.
But you, TZ go ahead and complain that you were restricted in voiving you opinion because of some PC limitations.
Well, knowing the facts, I agree .. for about the fourth time … that it was off limits.
Where you get the idea in your latter comment, I have no idea. I have made and will make no such assertion. Nothing PC about it. Don’t put words in my mouth, because I will pull them out and hand them back to you, and then they will be all sticky and covered with food. Capisce?
69.
firebrand
After tonight, I’m convinced the Democrats will win…IF it’s Obama. If it’s Hillary the Dems pick, say goodbye to the presidency for 4 more years.
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Conservatively Liberal
myiq2xu Says:
baaaaa baaaaaa baa baaaa!
TZ, it was obvious from your response that you were unaware of his POW injury. That is excusable and you apologized for the mistake. myiq2xu asslick knew of his injury and deliberately made the Crypt Keeper crack.
Like I said, politically McCain sucks. But his war record/injuries make him someone who should be honored for his sacrifice.
I have no problem keeping the two apart.
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myiq2xu
Where you get the idea in your latter comment, I have no idea. I have made and will make no such assertion. Nothing PC about it. Don’t put words in my mouth, because I will pull them out and hand them back to you, and then they will be all sticky and covered with food. Capisce?
First they put words in your mouth, then they bash you for them.
Kinda like a “strawman” argument where you (or me) get volunteered to be the scarecrow.
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The Moar You Know
ThymeZone: I all honesty, I find the sanctimonius butthurt tossed out by Conservatively Liberal and his similarly-minded butbuddies repulsive.
McCain’s a big boy, he doesn’t need some jerk on a computer sticking up for him. The man’s running for president, for God’s sake. The suggestion is that Saint McCain, being a Genuine Certified War Hero, ought to be immune from criticism, or being made fun of, because of his war service. I find such an idea not only ludicrous but unpatriotic in the extreme.
I LOLed when I read your arm reference. I figured you just didn’t know, and why should you? Vietnam ended thirty-three years ago – it’s ancient hsitory to the majority of folks using the intertubes. I found your apology appropriate and that should have been the end of it.
Of course, it won’t be. No one stays as self-righteously butthurt as a conservative.
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yet another jeff
Well, I think it’s a coin flip if Clinton gets the nom…and a landslide for the Democrats if Obama gets it…
74.
D-Chance.
Excellent debate. Some of Hillary’s positions leave me uneasy. Her best segments, IMO, were discussing Iraq. But every time she made solid points, Obama seemed to have an answer which topped her. And they’re right… Democrats will be united in November, and they’ll have the majority of the independents and a not-insignificant portion of Republicans disenfranchised with their party. The Republicans are fractured, and I’m not sure how forgiving they’ll be over the next few months.
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myiq2xu
TZ, it was obvious from your response that you were unaware of his POW injury. That is excusable and you apologized for the mistake. myiq2xu asslick knew of his injury and deliberately made the Crypt Keeper crack.
What the fuck does me saying McCain resembles the Crypt Keeper have to do with his POW injury?
I feel like I’m paradox, commenting on a nonserious thread trying to be serious. TZ it was all about the torture aspect of your lack of knowledge. I didn’t see you comment on the last thread about torture, so I assumed you didn’t know much about it — otherwise you would have said something. I know it might not be a big deal to you, but it is for me.
The saddest moment of my political life was watching McConnell et al treat McCain like dirt in the fall of ’06. And now the man has been trashed for weeks — I’m listening to that dweeb Mark Levine trash him as I speak.
This is where we are as a country. Liberals like you TZ and others devalue a man who experienced torture. and he lets you.
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Conservatively Liberal
All someone needs to do to keep Hillary out of office would be to make a one minute commercial of nothing but her cackles. Maybe have someone stirring a black cauldron while wearing a black pointed hat (and a broom in the background). I swear, if people had to listen to that over and over between now and November, Hillary would lose hands down. No other issues needed.
That cackle comes out whenever she is hit with a question she does not like. It almost seems reflexive of her. Her nervous tic, so to say.
Whatever it is, it is creepy sounding.
78.
yet another jeff
I thought the Crypt Keeper bit was because McCAAAAAIIINNN is really old.
79.
crw
And the loser is…Republicans. Seriously, both Barack and Hillary came off as adults compared to last night. And I can’t wait until one of them gets to go up against Walnuts or Multiple Choice Mitt. It’ll be a bloodbath. Electorally meaningless (remember, Kerry crushed Chimpy every time in 2004), but highly entertaining.
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myiq2xu
I thought the Crypt Keeper bit was because McCAAAAAIIINNN is really old.
Liberals like you TZ and others devalue a man who experienced torture. and he lets you.
Okay, first of all? Fuck you.
Second, I already said, more than once, that I should have known the story better and shouldn’t have made the remark.
That’s why I took it back, and apologized.
So give it a rest. You informed me of the facts, I retracted and apologized. I don’t see how that devalues anything.
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tBone
Know I should watch, can’t make myself watch. It isn’t the debates per se, it’s the thought of yet another tsunami of wankery and hackery inspired by the debates that makes me cringe.
If your goal is to avoid wankery and hackery, I think you’re in the wrong thread.
Also, I am more convinced than ever that incontrolados and JWW are one and the same.
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dougie smooth
Holy fucking shit, will you idiots shut up about an accidentally inappropriate joke that the guy/gal has retracted and apologized for eighty fucking times?
Everybody take five minutes to go tug it, and then come back and be less tedious.
Not for me, but if you want to go for three, keep it up.
I’m here all week, try the roast beef.
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myiq2xu
Who thought it would be a good idea to have all of Hollywood in the audience?
All of Hollywood?
I didn’t see Chuck Norris in the crowd.
94.
Conservatively Liberal
incontrolados, you are on target about the torture. That is such a sore point with me I can’t stand it. TMYK can dismiss it all they want to, but that is what it comes down to for me. If a soldier endures torture for our country and is made fun of about it now that we are doing the torturing ourselves, then we must really suck as a country. McCain damn near died from the abuse he suffered in Vietnam, and he stayed there for five years longer than he would have if he had accepted their offer to return home. They made him pay for staying with the other men. He deserves to be honored for his service and injuries. Not made fun of.
Yes, our soldiers are big boys who can take care of themselves. But that does not mean I have to sit back and listen to some dipshit make jokes at their expense. Torture is not funny. Duh.
youriqis1/2ofmine: It is quite clear what you meant, and anyone who knows the Crypt Keeper (and its jerky, restrained movements) knows damn well what you meant.
Whatever, JWW. Hell, you’re probably Jen too. And possibly TZ.
100.
Jen
I’ve figured out why Edwards dropped out when he did… he wanted to see the Carolina game and get some damn sleep.
That was not the most interesting debate I’ve ever seen, but it does make me happy to be a Democrat. Really. I am wary about Hillary’s chances in the general, extremely wary, but if people would look at her rationally, she’s not half bad. Especially if you catch a glance of the Republican ass clowns, sheesh.
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Jake
If your goal is to avoid wankery and hackery, I think you’re in the wrong thread.
You got me. The difference is no one here gets paid to squirt out 5,000 words on the candidates’ facial expressions. W & H provided on a voluntary basis is fine by me.
Also, I am more convinced than ever that incontrolados and JWW are one and the same.
SPDD (Same person, different drugs)
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yet another jeff
Did he say he moves like the Crypt Keeper? No. Goddamn…and your “everyone knows you really meant to make fun of his arms” melodrama…srlsy…c’mon…i mean…c’mon.
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myiq2xu
It is quite clear what you meant, and anyone who knows the Crypt Keeper (and its jerky, restrained movements) knows damn well what you meant.
BTW – All I ever heard was that McCain can’t raise his arms above his head.
I never heard anything about “jerky, restrained movements”
I think you’re just trying to cover up cuz you fucked up and blew up at me for no reason and you don’t want to admit it.
Mark Levine just had a caller on — his father was tortured, but that doesn’t matter. He still thinks McCain is a fraud.
105.
Jen
Geez, I wish people would stop playing guess the sock puppet game with me. I have always been the same person. I’ve got a little bit of free time, but not that kind of free time.
106.
yet another jeff
What sort of fraud is McCain, according to the caller?
If that were so, wouldn’t JC have complained about banning me?
108.
crw
Mark Levine just had a caller on—- his father was tortured, but that doesn’t matter. He still thinks McCain is a fraud.
According to my roommate’s Dead Ender Republican parents, McCain wasn’t really tortured by the North Vietnamese. They just roughed him up a bit, apparently, so he has no moral standing to criticize Bush on waterboarding. I think this sentiment is pretty common among the Bush Fanboi Club.
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myiq2xu
Geez, I wish people would stop playing guess the sock puppet game with me. I have always been the same person. I’ve got a little bit of free time, but not that kind of free time.
I think you’re really a sockpuppet of Jen
That would be really diabolical, wouldn’t it?
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tBone
The difference is no one here gets paid to squirt out 5,000 words on the candidates’ facial expressions.
Thanks for that colorful phrasing, asshole. Now every time Chris Matthew’s freakishly large head pollutes my TV, I’m going to imagine him doing something unspeakable to a picture of Hillary taped under his desk.
One clue for the doubters, one click one my name leads you to my struggling blog. Second, I have been burned by the wingnuts. Given that is the case, with a little work you can find where someone posted my work information, including my picture. No threat means anything to me since that happened. Jeff Goldstein himself posted my work information and threatened my job. He threatened my job directly. He failed. Good for me. But the next person could suffer.
What sort of fraud is McCain, according to the caller?
same old same old — McCain is a liberal. Or a Rino.
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Conservatively Liberal
Nope, no fuck up in understanding here. McCain looks nothing like the Crypt Keeper, but he has problems moving his arms well. TZ made the mistake of the joke about his arms and you follow up with the CK comment immediately afterward.
Keep playing dumb though, you are a natural for that role.
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tBone
Geez, I wish people would stop playing guess the sock puppet game with me. I have always been the same person. I’ve got a little bit of free time, but not that kind of free time.
My apologies. I thought inco deserved a little bizarre paranoia directed her (his?) way. I don’t really think she’s you, Jen (if indeed that is your name, sir madam).
115.
Jen
Thank you, sort of, tBone.
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John S.
Pop Quiz:
If a person is a hero when they are 35, and an asshole when they are 72, what do you call them?
A) A hero
B) An asshole
C) John McCain
D) All of the above
117.
Jen
In my free time, by the way, have been trying to teach the toddler to say Barack Obama’s Magical Unity Pony. It sounds like “Rock Obama PONY!!”. The six year old says “Are we cheering for Rock You Bama of President?” It’s pretty cute.
It was hard to tell the difference between these two far left socialists. Soak the rich. Socialist healthcare. Surrender to the terrorists. It was painful to watch. Whatever happened to the Democrat party?
In more important news, Mike Huckabee got the Free Republic endorsement from Jim Robinson himself. Now that’s incredible!
119.
Jen
John S., I have enjoyed your presence here immensely, let me say. I choose (d).
120.
Jake
On second thoughts, I will vote for the candidate who promises to reign in lame ass tedious little ankle gnawing butt flakes who say the same damn thing a thousand times.
121.
libarbarian
Geez, I wish people would stop playing guess the sock puppet game with me. I have always been the same person. I’ve got a little bit of free time, but not that kind of free time.
I do. Maybe I should start making up online personalities.
122.
tBone
If a person is a hero when they are 35, and an asshole when they are 72, what do you call them?
Sylvester Stallone as John Rambo.
123.
myiq2xu
Nope, no fuck up in understanding here. McCain looks nothing like the Crypt Keeper, but he has problems moving his arms well. TZ made the mistake of the joke about his arms and you follow up with the CK comment immediately afterward.
Yeah, the Crypt Keeper is famous for his arm movements.
For the record, I think McCain deserves respect for his military service and his time as a POW. He is one of the two remaining GOP members that I have any respect for, with Bob Dole being the other.
Dole can’t use his right arm because of injuries he received in Italy during WWII, but I still made a crack about him being a greeter at Walmart earlier today in another thread. I guess you consider that an insult to his injury too.
I went back through recent threads, and I noticed you respond with personal attacks (on me and others) when you disagree with them.
You’re trying to puff yourself up as a patriotic defender of torture victims, but in reality you’re just someone whose self-esteem is so low you confuse argument with personal attack.
I’ve never made a personal attack on you, but you’ve made several on me.
Name calling is not a cogent argument.
124.
Jen
I do. Maybe I should start making up online personalities.
Do something more productive, like crocheting tissue box cozies, or trying to lash myiq to the pony.
125.
The Moar You Know
Mike Huckabee got the Free Republic endorsement from Jim Robinson himself. Now that’s incredible!
And so ends the quixotic mission of Mike Huckabee, personal representative of Raptor Jesus, to become High Bishop of the United States.
Seriously, Psycheout, that’s great news. Knowing that his campaign has now reached the end-stage of total failure will help me sleep a bit better at night.
126.
tBone
On second thoughts, I will vote for the candidate who promises to reign in lame ass tedious little ankle gnawing butt flakes who say the same damn thing a thousand times.
Be nice. myiq2 has barely trolled Obama at all in this thread.
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Zeta
In my free time, by the way, have been trying to teach the toddler to say Barack Obama’s Magical Unity Pony. It sounds like “Rock Obama PONY!!”. The six year old says “Are we cheering for Rock You Bama of President?” It’s pretty cute.
Have you tried “Barack and roll”?
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yet another jeff
CL, I can’t even tell who you’re mad at anymore. Fine…McCAAAAAAIINNNN!!! doesn’t look like the Crypt Keeper, because the crypt keeper is a puppet and everyone thinks of the Crypt Keeper’s arms, not his dried up stretched tight face.
So…McCAAAAIIINNNN!!! looks like some other example of really old and dry, but not a puppet version. Man, you really take the fun out of pop culture references….
129.
John S.
John S., I have enjoyed your presence here immensely, let me say. I choose (d).
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
(D) is the correct answer.
I’m actually rather enjoying the threads these days. Almost as interesting as this same time in 2004, although for different reasons.
130.
Conservatively Liberal
Leaving the peanut gallery to the peanuts…
Overall, the debate was one of the best so far. Hillary did well, as did Obama. I would call that a win-win for the democrats (in comparison to the *yawn* republican debate last night). The Iraq war stuff was about the only mumbo-jumbo moment for Hillary, and Barack did well in contrasting himself to her on it.
Hillary plugging her townhall at the end was kind of lame. Obama seemed kind of stiff in the past debates, but he looked much better this time. With all of the activity surrounding him, this was well timed in relation to next Tuesday.
It ought to be interesting to see how this all shakes out after Tuesday.
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Jen
Yeah, I have sort of returned to the blogosphere for the first time since November ’04, over the last few months. I had gotten pretty into the Great Orange Satan in 2004, and after the election, I honestly felt like, well, I am not gonna want to have much to do with politics for a while, so I guess I’d better take care of friends and family. They’re on their own again now!
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Tractarian
I gotta say, as a certified Obamabot, Hillary was impressive tonight. She still doesn’t make sense on Iraq but it’s clear she’d be lightyears better as president than Mr. Hero Asshole.
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myiq2xu
TZ made the mistake of the joke about his arms and you follow up with the CK comment immediately afterward.
Hmmm.
myiq2xu Says:
I wasn’t aware that a POW injury was the cause of that. In that case, I certainly withdraw the comment.
He still resembles the Crypt Keeper though.
Notice the last word? What do you think “though” was intended to convey?
I re-read that and I can’t see how you get anything about arm movements from that. When I think about the Crypt Keeper I think about an animated skull puppet, not awkward arm movements.
Your take is as ridiculous as saying that Bill Clinton was making a racial slur when he called Obama a “kid” and used the words “fairy tale.”
You were just looking for an excuse to be offended. And then you acted like a bully.
Okay, let’s talk about the debate again, just for kicks. I thought Hillary talked a lot. I thought, on the big-screen hi-def I was watching her on, that she probably would’ve looked better on my little screen lo-def. But I thought she did well, and seemed relatively human and likeable. Barack, I just thought was reliable as ever. I liked the dig at Mitt Romney’s return on his investment. I am reasonably certain he got his Iraq point across. I grew to detest Wolf even more.
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myiq2xu
That chick has got some complicated psychology going on.
Sexist and racist language is not permitted here!
Obscenity and derogatory language is encouraged, however.
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TheFountainHead
See, I knew there was a reason I didn’t come to BJ for this thread.
Geez guys, even Barack and Hillary came out with a lot more substance tonight!
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Jen
Speaking of substance, no one even mentioned how he pulled Hillary’s chair out at the end.
Us Southern ladies, we like that. A lost art.
Yep, I’m one of those annoying women that wants to have my cake and eat it too.
Which is a dumb expression, what else would you do with cake, but you take the point.
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TheFountainHead
Speaking of substance, no one even mentioned how he pulled Hillary’s chair out at the end.
I noticed. Obama’s whole night was full of very subtle things that are likely to almost subliminally ingratiate him with voters.
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John Giord
Both Hillary and Prince Precious did well. Since Hillary received such negative press compared to Obama these last two weeks, I think a tie in the debate will help her more than him.
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Evilbeard
Crypt Keeper = a Mummy.
Mummy = Old
McCain = Cryptkeeper
McCain = Old
wow its all so simple!
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myiq2xu
How people behave when they know they are being watched (and recorded) isn’t very revealing.
It’s when they they think they aren’t being watched or when they accidentally let the mask slip that reveals their true natures.
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myiq2xu
wow its all so simple!
That’s what I thought.
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Jen
I noticed. Obama’s whole night was full of very subtle things that are likely to almost subliminally ingratiate him with voters.
He must’ve read
Blink
, too! :)
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Jake
wow its all so simple!
No it isn’t it is a sly reference to tiger cages and you just hate the troops OMG they want to kill us where is your sense of honor and decency waaaaah!
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myiq2xu
I noticed. Obama’s whole night was full of very subtle things that are likely to almost subliminally ingratiate him with voters.
At that level they have experts watching every move they make in mock debates.
Facial expressions, posture, tone of voice, gestures, etc., are all planned and programmed. Prior to the debate they will have people checking the lighting, podium/table heights, all the minutia.
They often have someone seated in the front of the audience who can signal them with gestures if they forget something. That person will have an earpiece so they can get input from others watching on tv.
They also try to anticipate questions and practice a few quips and comebacks that will end up being used on the post-debate recaps, news shows and for tv ads.
It’s not a debate, it’s a performance.
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myiq2xu
No it isn’t it is a sly reference to tiger cages and you just hate the troops OMG they want to kill us where is your sense of honor and decency waaaaah!
I will give myself a timeout. I will sit in the corner for five minutes and feel shame.
I will sit in the corner for five days and feel shame.
Okay, that’s fair.
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myiq2xu
Ooooooh! Rudy may not be so stupid after all. From Attytood:
Every true New Yorker is quite familiar with the plotline of “The Producers,” in which fictional producer Max Bialystock and his young accountant Leo Bloom realize they can make more money bilking investors to finance a flop than doing the actual work of staging a hit. Hey, you don’t think…
Ace Seattle blogger David Goldstein goes there:
How would the scam work? Simple. Raise tens of millions of dollars while you’re riding high in the national polls, but stay out of the expensive media wars in the early primaries to “focus on Florida.” Then when your Florida strategy inevitably fails, you bow out of the race, having spent all your cash on high-priced “consultants” for, well, who knows what? Once out of the national spotlight, Giuliani and his “consultants” just split the loot and fly off to Rio, just in time for Carnival.
He wouldn’t do that, would he?
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myiq2xu
ThymeZone Says:
I will sit in the corner for five days and feel shame.
Okay, that’s fair.
It was supposed to be a punishment, not a new hobby.
Seriously, Psycheout, that’s great news. Knowing that his campaign has now reached the end-stage of total failure will help me sleep a bit better at night.
Call me crazy, but I detect a note of sarcasm in your comment. Of course if you’re a dirty lieberal democRAT, you’re probably perpetually asleep.
When the Hellbeast let out her famous Clinton cackle tonight when asked if she could restrain her tubby hubby, I ran screaming from the room. It’s bad enough that her voice is like nails on a chalkboard, but that cackle reminds me of the Wizard of Oz for some reason.
Obamanation was smooth as butter tonight, but despite all those words he speaks, he says essentially nothing. He’s like the Democrat version of Mittens Romney. He’s all sound and hype, signifying nothing.
A Huckabee/Obama debate would be fascinating. But Obama would clean McCain’s clock, and Mitt would blend into the wallpaper against the sophisticated animatronics of Barack Hussein.
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West Coast libertarian
Yep, I’m one of those annoying women that wants to have my cake and eat it too. Which is a dumb expression, what else would you do with cake, but you take the point.
I’m 61 years old and didn’t get that expession until about two years ago. It makes sense (and may have originally been) “wants to eat my cake and have it too”
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yet another jeff
Wow, incontrolados…why so sensitive about some gentle sock-puppet talk?
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myiq2xu
When the Hellbeast let out her famous Clinton cackle tonight when asked if she could restrain her tubby hubby‘s chubby, I ran screaming from the room.
It’s not a sight for the faint of heart (so I’ve heard)
It’s bad enough that her voice is like nails on a chalkboard, but that cackle reminds me of the Wizard of Oz for some reason.
She’s gonna get you for that.
And your little dog too!
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TheFountainHead
At that level they have experts watching every move they make in mock debates.
Facial expressions, posture, tone of voice, gestures, etc., are all planned and programmed. Prior to the debate they will have people checking the lighting, podium/table heights, all the minutia.
They often have someone seated in the front of the audience who can signal them with gestures if they forget something. That person will have an earpiece so they can get input from others watching on tv.
They also try to anticipate questions and practice a few quips and comebacks that will end up being used on the post-debate recaps, news shows and for tv ads.
It’s not a debate, it’s a performance.
I happen to work in the entertainment industry, I’m pretty well aware of all the tricks of the trade to make “scripted and rehearsed” look “live and spontaneous” and I’m saying he and the minds behind him did a very good job tonight.
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myiq2xu
Wow, incontrolados…why so sensitive about some gentle sock-puppet talk?
I didn’t realize there was a competition. Was there only one opening left or something?
Were we supposed to choose sides?
Hell, I didn’t even realize inco was female until a little while ago, not that it mattered.
If John is gonna limit the number of females in here, it should be settled in a fair and democratic manner.
Like a wet T-shirt contest.
Don’t bother responding TZ, I’m heading for the corner right now.
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cbear
Like a wet T-shirt contest.
Sure thing. And then we could have a taco-eating contest and let the ladies choose their favs.
Man, this is some stupid shit tonight.
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myiq2xu
I happen to work in the entertainment industry, I’m pretty well aware of all the tricks of the trade to make “scripted and rehearsed” look “live and spontaneous” and I’m saying he and the minds behind him did a very good job tonight.
They say once you learn to fake sincerity, the rest is gravy.
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myiq2xu
Man, this is some stupid shit tonight.
It says “Hot Air and Ill-Informed Banter” at the top of the page.
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socraticsilence
Since were talking about Mccain and Torture one of the things that sickens me about the thought of Hillary as the nommnee is the fact that it mould mean that we would have choosen someone to the right of the GOP nominee on torture! I mean seriously, WTF that’s grotesque right?
Yep, I’m one of those annoying women that wants to have my cake and eat it too. Which is a dumb expression, what else would you do with cake, but you take the point.
If you eat your cake, you don’t have it anymore. Unless it goes straight to your hips, I suppose.
Is that so hard to understand?
You had your cake, but you ate it and now you look fat in that dress. Got it? Good.
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Beej
I’m still looking for the answer to a question I asked here a couple of weeks ago. Has any debate moderator ever asked Clinton or Obama just exactly what they would do to restore the “checks and balances” the Constitution mandates and undo the illegal, unconstitutional crap that the Bush administration has foisted on us? Or do they like power too much to abandon this new version of the imperial presidency? Has this question been asked? Was it answered? How?
(I know I could probably find my own answers by spending a few hours on Google, but I don’t have the hours to spend and I’m too lazy anyway.)
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Beej
Oh, and while we’re at it, what are Clinton’s and Obama’s positions on signing statements that specifically contradict the law?
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srv
I’m still looking for the answer to a question I asked here a couple of weeks ago.
And I’m pretty sure you won’t have an answer from Obama or Hitlery in Nov.
I’m sick of you Paulites and Kuchininnies and your damn ‘civil liberties’
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myiq2xu
I’m sick of you Paulites and Kuchininnies and your damn ‘civil liberties’
See, there’s a simple genius to Chimpy’s plan.
Since the Islamofascistcommunistlibrul terrorists hate us for our freedoms, if we don’t have any freedoms, they won’t hate us anymore.
G-Dub is just spreading the love.
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crw
Beej,
Um, don’t expect the MSM to ask such a probing question. After all, to do so would be to implicitly acknowledge they fucked up by failing to challenge the Deciderator. And it would make the candidates look bad for failing to push for impeachment. And it’s an irrelevant question compared to such weighty matters as who snubbed whom.
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Digital Amish
At that level they have experts watching every move they make in mock debates.
Then can’t one of ’em tell Hillary to tone down the laugh? I can see where it could get annoying.
Then can’t one of ‘em tell Hillary to tone down the laugh? I can see where it could get annoying.
It’s probably the most natural thing she showed tonight.
Kinda makes ya feel more charitible towards the Big Dog about that whole Monica thing though, don’t it?
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Wilfred
I read the transcripts of the debate early this morning and some of Clinton’s answers confirm why I won’t vote for her. She inisists that her Iraq war vote was correct but that Bush ‘misused’ it (I managed good but they sure played bad/I confess – he did it). Ok, but then why the support of Kyl-Lieberman?? Is there no chance that Bush won’t use that as a pretext for attacking Iran? Right.
She hedged her bets, triangulating with the the ‘success’ of the surge, and woke up to see:
Two bombs in busy Baghdad animal markets have killed at least 64 people.
The blasts, at least one of which was detonated by a female suicide bomber, came within 20 minutes of each other.
Friday morning’s death toll was the city’s highest since violence fell in the wake of a US troop surge in the second half of 2007.
How long before the Iranians get blamed? Can’t be al-Qaeda – we just killed their number 3 guy.
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Krista
If John is gonna limit the number of females in here, it should be settled in a fair and democratic manner.
That WAS really weird. I have no idea what’s up with the “if she stays, I’m going” foolishness. But if there is a limit on the number of females, I’m pulling rank. :)
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yet another jeff
Well, Jeff Goldstein himself posted her work information and threatened her job…which sucks…and would make her sort of a folk hero if she didn’t get so weirdly whiny about the comparison’s to JWW.
Although it’s going to be really tedious listening to people whine that McCAAAAAIIIIINNNNN!!! is a hero and be unable to distinguish our mocking him for his last 8 years of political cuckoldry as he embraces the man and the political machine that tried to destroy him in 2000.
Ross Douthat (a conservative) over at the Atlantic makes this point about the debate:
The Republicans last night looked like men competing for a chance to lose an election. Tonight, Hillary and Obama looked like they were competing to be President of the United States.
Word.
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Krista
Although it’s going to be really tedious listening to people whine that McCAAAAAIIIIINNNNN is a hero and be unable to distinguish our mocking him for his last 8 years of political cuckoldry as he embraces the man and the political machine that tried to destroy him in 2000.
Being a hero does not automatically qualify one to lead a country. Someone can be a hero, and can be admired for that, but can be a terrible politician, and can be fairly criticized for that. The idea that someone can be immune from any and all criticism because of past heroism does a disservice to the person in question — they wind up being surrounded by fawning yes-men who don’t help the person learn and grow as a politician. Criticizing his appearance isn’t really productive — I’ll agree with that. But criticizing his policies or his political stances? That’s fair game.
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TheFountainHead
Oh, and while we’re at it, what are Clinton’s and Obama’s positions on signing statements that specifically contradict the law?
I know that on several occasions, including at least one of the debates (I think New Hampshire) Obama has said that the first thing his new AG does, whoever that may be, is go back and review every single signing statement Bush ever made. To be perfectly candid, I have no idea whether Hillary has ever made such a statement–not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong.
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Cyrus
dougie smooth Says:
Holy fucking shit, will you idiots shut up about an accidentally inappropriate joke that the guy/gal has retracted and apologized for eighty fucking times?
Everybody take five minutes to go tug it, and then come back and be less tedious.
Agreed. It’s a sad commentary on the mood around here during primary season that ThymeZone is the most civil person in the thread.
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Doug H.
He wouldn’t do that, would he?
Of course not, he’ll wait for Ron Paul to finish his “campaign” before they both jaunt off to the Cayman Islands.
Criticizing his appearance isn’t really productive—I’ll agree with that. But criticizing his policies or his political stances? That’s fair game.
Agreed. And we have plenty to disagree with McCain, all Republicans for that matter, on policy matters. I am going to be very interested to hear how he will explain his enthusiastic cheerleading for the former Cheerleaders “Surge” to voters during the General Election. You only have to read today’s headline to know how risky that strategy is. He’s fine for the primary, but if he is the nominee, he can kiss the election goodbye.
The military has performed well, but the diplomats in the Administration are incapable of getting the various factions in Iraq to sit down and agree on anything of substance. Even the de-deBathification law is far less than it appeared to be.
The Republicans are toast. Last nights Democratic debate draw a very stark contrast with the Republican debate, in both style and substance.
@John Cole: I’m going to see Barack Obama over in Albuquerque this morning. Think of it as a recon mission. I’ll let you know if the M.U.P. train is leaving the station. The auditorium only holds 2300 people, but I heard through the grapevine it will be an overflow crowd. I’ll even post a little video over at youtube and maybe we can convince you to hop on board the Pony Express, as it were.
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Cyrus
crw Says:
Beej,
Um, don’t expect the MSM to ask such a probing question. After all, to do so would be to implicitly acknowledge they fucked up by failing to challenge the Deciderator
Well, I apologize for defending the media, but they did ask the question, and several similar ones. The question about signing statements is question number four. I haven’t read all the candidates’ answers to all the questions, but Giuliani and Thompson refused to answer all the ones I saw — and amusingly enough, so did that charming, friendly, Baptist preacher.
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Jen
Godspeed to you, my friend PJ (I know you’re really GP, but somehow it sounds like PJ)
McCain moves his arms as if he has no elbows, like Barney the Dinosaur.
He actually has no shoulders. As has been mentioned many times upthread and elsewhere, it’s due to his POW days. He cannot raise his arms above his head.
I am shocked TZ (being from Arizona) did not know this. But I believe him, it’s not every day you see TZ apologize for offending anyone… :-)
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yet another jeff
Criticizing his appearance isn’t really productive—I’ll agree with that. But criticizing his policies or his political stances? That’s fair game.
Well, I was using the Crypt Keeper thing not as criticism, but more as punctuation. I also think that Jerry Jones, owner of the Dallas Cowboys, looked like the Crypt Keeper after he had his plastic surgery…but that wasn’t my critique of his policies, it was just a statement of what I considered to be a fact.
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The Other Steve
Ron Paul is running ads in Minnesota.
So is Obama.
Haven’t seen anybody else.
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The Other Steve
Since were talking about Mccain and Torture one of the things that sickens me about the thought of Hillary as the nommnee is the fact that it mould mean that we would have choosen someone to the right of the GOP nominee on torture! I mean seriously, WTF that’s grotesque right?
Wait a minute. I thought Obama was the Republican candidate because he mentioned Reagan.
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Ed Drone
Who thought it would be a good idea to have all of Hollywood in the audience?
All of Hollywood?
I didn’t see Chuck Norris in the crowd.
“Chuck Norris” and “Hollywood” are no longer synonymous, so the original statement stands as correct.
Ed
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ThymeZone
Well, I watched last night. I am watching now.
All I can say is, we win. Either one of our remaining candidates is light years ahead of the crazy, dishonest, manipulative smarmy freaks I saw on tv last night debating in front of the corpse of Nancy Reagan.
Night and day. That’s the difference between yesterday’s farce, and today’s debate.
yet another jeff
Yeah, compare the crowds…the audiences. I was worried about McCAAAAIIIINNNNN!!! against Hillary, but he’s looking old lately…tired…like a less energetic Bob Dole.
yet another jeff
Um…why did we get a reaction shot of Jason Alexander???
Haltelcere
Nice parry by Obama with the stupid question trying to create additional tension between the Black and Hispanic communities. Scapegoating, as he said, is exactly what that question was about.
D-Chance.
Obama’s fairly sharp tonight. Side-by-side and one-on-one, Hillary suffers due to simple comparison. Healthcare discussion got a bit wonkish and detail-sluggish, and I’m still wary of this “mandate” coverage of Hillary’s. Also, don’t give me any more “no substance” crap about Obama. It’s there if you’ll listen.
BTW, just for fun, O’Reilly was showing pictures of unmanned footbridges on the border and screaming, “See? See? Here’s how the tairsts and drug-runners are invading our country!” Brought Chertoff on, who explained that it’s not that easy and that some property owners don’t even want border patrol on their land. To which Big O screamed, “Eminent Domain!” Yes, O’Reilly wants the government to steal your land from you. Perry is already doing it with this stupid Trans-Texas Corridor; now, it’s being suggested for the border fence. Texas will be all government-owned property before long…
lee
Since this is an open thread….
I want to propose a new tag for posts.
It will be for when the post is pointing out how someone who formally was adamantly against candidate X now supports the same person once they are the nominee (e.g. RedState starting to support McCain).
The tag would be
Point and Laugh
ThymeZone
The old animatronic Abe Lincoln at Disneyland, the original one that clacked as the mouth moved, was more lifelike than John McCain is.
McCain moves his arms as if he has no elbows, like Barney the Dinosaur.
incontrolados
Three hours of local talk radio about that this evening — McCain is too old, Bob Dole, yadda yadda yadda.
yet another jeff
I’ve stood with the farmers…well, not literally.
Drivers licenses…so…it’s better to have illegals drive illegally, without even the possibility of getting auto insurance to you get in a wreck with an undocumented person, you’re just screwed.
Haltelcere
Oooh – Divisiveness! Divisiveness! Who said what, when, then changed their stance, when, about drivers licenses!
Conservatively Liberal
On drivers licenses for illegal immigrants:
Clinton: ‘… people .. who …… are …… here …… with .. out .. documentation.’
I had to laugh my ass off at that tap dance around the ‘illegal immigrant’ phrase. The pauses between the words was absolutely priceless! Talk about steering to the center/right on this issue. She is against drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, and gave an example of someone she met yesterday who said that they used to be able to find lots of construction work but now they are only hiring illegals. She said that giving illegals drivers licenses will only encourage more illegals taking more jobs from American workers.
But she does want ‘comprehensive immigration reform’, which she says would render the license problem moot. Some red meat for the right, and some red meat for the left. More triangulation…lol!
Of course, Barack is all for drivers licenses and ‘comprehensive immigration reform’. No waffling there…lol!
We have found a difference between Hillary and Barack! Stop the presses!
Scotty
They’re playing the “don’t fuck up 5 days before Super Tuesday” game. And I can’t say I’m surprised about that.
incontrolados
Not likely, bu t I under stand why you might think so.
Hang by your arms behind your back for a few hours TZ and you might look a tad better. There is no reason now, with the intertubes and all, for you to say such a thing.
Why anyone listens to responds positively to you on this blig, I will never understand. You have your snap opinions and treat everything as a farce. Perhaps you are just that cynical.
myiq2xu
That was a real debate last night? I thought it was a spoof on Comedy Central. No wonder the actors looked so much like the real candidates.
D-Chance.
Driver’s licenses for illegals still seems to be a sore spot for both of them. Looked like it was going to get a bit testy before Wolf called for the break.
yet another jeff
That’s right, TZ…no making fun of MCCCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIINNNN!!!! and how he moves his arms currently…because he was tortured in Vietnam.
So there…cynical asshole.
ThymeZone
I wasn’t aware that a POW injury was the cause of that. In that case, I certainly withdraw the comment.
Some guy named Matt
oooooooh man!! i do love me some of dat Keith Olberman Special Comment sandwich.
Haltelcere
Not the MBA question. Look at what the last MBA has done to this country!
This country isn’t a company. There is no way I could e-mail the owner of my company complaining about the way he does things, and keep my job.
Wonderful counter by Obama about Romney’s return on investment for his campaign.
yet another jeff
Hmmm, actual journalists have better questions than Wolf does…go figure
yet another jeff
Hillary: I’ve got Kennedys supporting me too!
incontrolados
understood TZ
yet another jeff
Fucking MBA’s have ruined everything…someone fetch me a Bill Hicks youtube video!
myiq2xu
I wasn’t watching the NH debate but I was here and I recall several commenters describing Hillary’s “meltdown” and talking about how she had “lost it.”
Imagine my surprise when I saw the clip of her “meltdown” and she wan’t foaming at the mouth or ranting and raving.
One of the keys to accurate analysis is to put aside personal feelings.
yet another jeff
Should people look back fondly on a time when they were happy? Or…
I liked Wolf better during the first Gulf war…probably because the rule was that we had to take a drink anytime someone on CNN said “Wolf.”
dougie smooth
Wow does Hillary have a condescending look on her face whenever Barry’s talking. Smug much?
myiq2xu
He still resembles the Crypt Keeper though.
socraticsilence
Seriously, Hilary seems to have the polciy crap down, but um so did Kerry and Al Gore, Obama, seems to have a good grasp of the issues but is able to come across better. Frnakly , I think this will be one of thsoe debzates that looks decent for Clinton at first and then much loike Gore and Kerry is spun into a weakness because she has negative charisma.
Haltelcere
Oh! There was a Clinton button I was supposed to be focusing on with that camera shot! :-D
incontrolados
myiq — meet the ultimate McCain fan.
Mark Levine is still hanging on to Mittens.
yet another jeff
Maxine Waters cam was late…
dougie smooth
I’d like to take a swipe at Wolf. What an unbelievable cock knocker.
yet another jeff
Yeah, Iraq needs to stop trying to blow us up or we’ll just leave…
Conservatively Liberal
OT:
Global Warming: I am at the back of the house when I hear a ‘brrrrrrraap brrrrrraap’ noise. I go outside, and I find a woodpecker is living inside the eave of our rental home. A frickin woodpecker on the south Oregon coast in January?! We have seen a couple of flocks of birds flying north and stopping to feed locally. Large flocks, not just a few birds.
I was out in the garage a few days ago and there were bumblebees flying around the plants in the front of the yard.
Nope, can’t be any such thing as GW. It is all propaganda…
yet another jeff
Wolf is really sad there’s not more divisiveness.
Haltelcere
Lets see Bush say “gravitas” without stumbling all over himself!
Dug Jay
The new TV ad starting to run by a group supoporting Hillary could be mighty effective in parts of California and elsewhere if they roll it out. It’s a not so subtle ad depicting Obama’s complete support for drivers licenses for illegals. They have a short clip with NY Governor Spitzer talking about his since abandoned plan to give all NY illegals drivers licenses followed by a clip of Obama saying that he agrees with that idea.(I think that may have happened at an early debate.)
Haltelcere
There is that “gravitas” word again. Are Clinton and Obama just showing off now that they have a vocabulary greater than a 4th grader?
yet another jeff
Yes, it’s much better to have illegals driving around without drivers licenses…
dougie smooth
Oh, thanks Wolf for prompting Barry with the Petraeus answer you wanted to hear. I wish a tiger would rush out and lick his beard off.
yet another jeff
Can’t she just channel Kerry? “Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did? I don’t think anybody did.”
myiq2xu
OMG – Here’s a real shocking piece of news from Think Progress:
Couldn’t see that coming.
incontrolados
Maybe you don’t have cable either . . I think it’s funny in a sad sort of way when my local ‘news’ radio station mocks GW when it gets terribly cold around here. When those heat waves come through in early January, they shut up.
yet another jeff
Hmmm, don’t worry Wolf, those weren’t boos…they were saying Wooooooooooolf.
myiq2xu
Shit, he probably thinks it has something to do with planets.
incontrolados
When was Rove not a whore?
Scotty
Man, did Hillary just dig herself into a hole trying to explain her Iraq vote.
yet another jeff
He’s not a whore, he’s a the boss pimp…all the whores work for him.
Conservatively Liberal
One must also refrain from projecting their opinions on what are simply others opinions. I know, you are always right and everyone else is wrong. You are perfect, and thus you have a firm grasp on the realities of life. It is your goal in life to hang out on internet blogs and pour your perfection into every single post you make. Hillary is perfect, and she is your soulmate. You cuddle with a picture of her taped on a blow up doll so you are not lonely at night. You record her speeches and play them back through headphones while you are sleeping to make sure you get all of the subliminal messages right.
You are great and we are squat. Right, gotcha.
Oh, and on your McCain and Crypt Keeper quip: You go get tortured as a POW and voluntarily stay imprisoned even though you could leave due to your father’s position. He was tortured even more for staying with the rest of his men. Your cheap shot just shows what a shallow person you are.
McCain may not be the best person politically, but his military record is unimpeachable. He served, and served well. You? I have no idea, but I really don’t care. I think you are a fuckfaced asshole.
Sorry John, but this shit was too much.
ThymeZone
In the interest of full disclosure, things I have said before about McCain:
I honor his service and his POW ordeal. For that he is a hero.
But as a politician and senator, I do not like him, and I have made no secret of it.
I have to admit, I might be the only person who didn’t know about the arm injury thing. If I didn’t have such a dislike for him, I might have known more about that.
So if I offended him or anyone on the arm thing, my apologies.
yet another jeff
I missed the part where someone mocked McCAAAAAAIIINNN’s military record in the thread…can someone point me to it?
The Moar You Know
Conservatively Liberal:
Your perfunctory outrage on behalf of a member of our fine military has been noted. +2 Patriot points for you.
incontrolados
I stand corrected.
dougie smooth
Suck a bag of dicks, Wolf. A bag of dicks.
yet another jeff
I can still call him McCCAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNN!!! without impugning his military service, right?
Haltelcere
Talk about wishing for a pony – this Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket wishing is nothing but that – wishing.
ThymeZone
Well I made a snarky crack about the way he moves his arms, and the remark offended others here. I didn’t know that the arm thing was the result of a POW injury, therefore when this was pointed out to me, I withdrew the comment and made clear that his military and POW record make him a hero.
Not qualified for any particular office, AFAIC, but definitely a hero.
SmilingPolitely
Every time Hillary opens her mouth and releases that cackle, she comes across like some villain from a Disney cartoon.
incontrolados
Barney. You know Barney. He’s a dinasuar for children.
Moar, thanks for only reading part of the thread.
it’s ok.
The Moar You Know
Thyme Zone:
Your failure to have memorized the entire timeline of the military career of John McCain, Hero Of The State and Official Presidential Candidate, has been noted. -4 Patriot Points for you.
Jake
Yaaaaaaaaaaawn. Know I should watch, can’t make myself watch. It isn’t the debates per se, it’s the thought of yet another tsunami of wankery and hackery inspired by the debates that makes me cringe.
I’ll vote for whoever promises a pony in every garage. With the ongoing economic disaster we’ll need an alternate source of food.
myiq2xu
Project much?
You obviously have issues.
So no jokes about McCain? Ever? Jeebus.
And what did I say to set you off?
Wow, I guess that comment was waaaaaay over the line. Everything you say is much more collegial and positive.
Or maybe not.
yet another jeff
Right, I recall that, even made my own snark about how seriously your snark was taken. But my snark that inspired your snark generated no rage from random people…so there. cynical bastard!
incontrolados
I didn’t call him a hero. I think that your comparing him to Barney was off limits.
But you, TZ go ahead and complain that you were restricted in voiving you opinion because of some PC limitations.
I hear that all day.
ThymeZone
I accept the subtraction of points, Moar. I shall study up on the McCain bio. I deserved the criticism, really.
yet another jeff
Hmmm…why would you say such a thing, implying I didn’t while apparently not reading my question in the first place.
Thank you.
yet another jeff
So, that’s Moar, not moreover?
ThymeZone
Well, knowing the facts, I agree .. for about the fourth time … that it was off limits.
Where you get the idea in your latter comment, I have no idea. I have made and will make no such assertion. Nothing PC about it. Don’t put words in my mouth, because I will pull them out and hand them back to you, and then they will be all sticky and covered with food. Capisce?
firebrand
After tonight, I’m convinced the Democrats will win…IF it’s Obama. If it’s Hillary the Dems pick, say goodbye to the presidency for 4 more years.
Conservatively Liberal
TZ, it was obvious from your response that you were unaware of his POW injury. That is excusable and you apologized for the mistake.
myiq2xuasslick knew of his injury and deliberately made the Crypt Keeper crack.Like I said, politically McCain sucks. But his war record/injuries make him someone who should be honored for his sacrifice.
I have no problem keeping the two apart.
myiq2xu
First they put words in your mouth, then they bash you for them.
Kinda like a “strawman” argument where you (or me) get volunteered to be the scarecrow.
The Moar You Know
ThymeZone: I all honesty, I find the sanctimonius butthurt tossed out by Conservatively Liberal and his similarly-minded butbuddies repulsive.
McCain’s a big boy, he doesn’t need some jerk on a computer sticking up for him. The man’s running for president, for God’s sake. The suggestion is that Saint McCain, being a Genuine Certified War Hero, ought to be immune from criticism, or being made fun of, because of his war service. I find such an idea not only ludicrous but unpatriotic in the extreme.
I LOLed when I read your arm reference. I figured you just didn’t know, and why should you? Vietnam ended thirty-three years ago – it’s ancient hsitory to the majority of folks using the intertubes. I found your apology appropriate and that should have been the end of it.
Of course, it won’t be. No one stays as self-righteously butthurt as a conservative.
yet another jeff
Well, I think it’s a coin flip if Clinton gets the nom…and a landslide for the Democrats if Obama gets it…
D-Chance.
Excellent debate. Some of Hillary’s positions leave me uneasy. Her best segments, IMO, were discussing Iraq. But every time she made solid points, Obama seemed to have an answer which topped her. And they’re right… Democrats will be united in November, and they’ll have the majority of the independents and a not-insignificant portion of Republicans disenfranchised with their party. The Republicans are fractured, and I’m not sure how forgiving they’ll be over the next few months.
myiq2xu
What the fuck does me saying McCain resembles the Crypt Keeper have to do with his POW injury?
incontrolados
I feel like I’m paradox, commenting on a nonserious thread trying to be serious. TZ it was all about the torture aspect of your lack of knowledge. I didn’t see you comment on the last thread about torture, so I assumed you didn’t know much about it — otherwise you would have said something. I know it might not be a big deal to you, but it is for me.
The saddest moment of my political life was watching McConnell et al treat McCain like dirt in the fall of ’06. And now the man has been trashed for weeks — I’m listening to that dweeb Mark Levine trash him as I speak.
This is where we are as a country. Liberals like you TZ and others devalue a man who experienced torture. and he lets you.
Conservatively Liberal
All someone needs to do to keep Hillary out of office would be to make a one minute commercial of nothing but her cackles. Maybe have someone stirring a black cauldron while wearing a black pointed hat (and a broom in the background). I swear, if people had to listen to that over and over between now and November, Hillary would lose hands down. No other issues needed.
That cackle comes out whenever she is hit with a question she does not like. It almost seems reflexive of her. Her nervous tic, so to say.
Whatever it is, it is creepy sounding.
yet another jeff
I thought the Crypt Keeper bit was because McCAAAAAIIINNN is really old.
crw
And the loser is…Republicans. Seriously, both Barack and Hillary came off as adults compared to last night. And I can’t wait until one of them gets to go up against Walnuts or Multiple Choice Mitt. It’ll be a bloodbath. Electorally meaningless (remember, Kerry crushed Chimpy every time in 2004), but highly entertaining.
myiq2xu
So did I
ThymeZone
Okay, first of all? Fuck you.
Second, I already said, more than once, that I should have known the story better and shouldn’t have made the remark.
That’s why I took it back, and apologized.
So give it a rest. You informed me of the facts, I retracted and apologized. I don’t see how that devalues anything.
tBone
If your goal is to avoid wankery and hackery, I think you’re in the wrong thread.
Also, I am more convinced than ever that incontrolados and JWW are one and the same.
dougie smooth
Holy fucking shit, will you idiots shut up about an accidentally inappropriate joke that the guy/gal has retracted and apologized for eighty fucking times?
Everybody take five minutes to go tug it, and then come back and be less tedious.
incontrolados
Twice in one week. That must be a record.
Jorge
Who thought it would be a good idea to have all of Hollywood in the audience? At least Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn weren’t there.
Jake
I’d rather listen to three hours of cackling a day than to hear another fucking “Heh.”
yet another jeff
Heh…indeed.
incontrolados
Wrong.
yet another jeff
You can’t say he’s wrong about being more convinced…sheesh.
incontrolados
Wrong Sean — I think you meant Sean Young.
D-Chance.
And no Sean Young… not that it wouldn’t have livened up the event…
ThymeZone
Not for me, but if you want to go for three, keep it up.
I’m here all week, try the roast beef.
myiq2xu
All of Hollywood?
I didn’t see Chuck Norris in the crowd.
Conservatively Liberal
incontrolados, you are on target about the torture. That is such a sore point with me I can’t stand it. TMYK can dismiss it all they want to, but that is what it comes down to for me. If a soldier endures torture for our country and is made fun of about it now that we are doing the torturing ourselves, then we must really suck as a country. McCain damn near died from the abuse he suffered in Vietnam, and he stayed there for five years longer than he would have if he had accepted their offer to return home. They made him pay for staying with the other men. He deserves to be honored for his service and injuries. Not made fun of.
Yes, our soldiers are big boys who can take care of themselves. But that does not mean I have to sit back and listen to some dipshit make jokes at their expense. Torture is not funny. Duh.
youriqis1/2ofmine: It is quite clear what you meant, and anyone who knows the Crypt Keeper (and its jerky, restrained movements) knows damn well what you meant.
incontrolados
I can say that he is wrong in his assumption, that led him to his being convinced, can I not?
yet another jeff
Yes, you can say that…I didn’t say you couldn’t.
myiq2xu
I guess you know something I don’t.
Looks like it wasn’t obvious to anyone else either.
incontrolados
Thanks Cons. Lib.
tBone
Whatever, JWW. Hell, you’re probably Jen too. And possibly TZ.
Jen
I’ve figured out why Edwards dropped out when he did… he wanted to see the Carolina game and get some damn sleep.
That was not the most interesting debate I’ve ever seen, but it does make me happy to be a Democrat. Really. I am wary about Hillary’s chances in the general, extremely wary, but if people would look at her rationally, she’s not half bad. Especially if you catch a glance of the Republican ass clowns, sheesh.
Jake
You got me. The difference is no one here gets paid to squirt out 5,000 words on the candidates’ facial expressions. W & H provided on a voluntary basis is fine by me.
SPDD (Same person, different drugs)
yet another jeff
Did he say he moves like the Crypt Keeper? No. Goddamn…and your “everyone knows you really meant to make fun of his arms” melodrama…srlsy…c’mon…i mean…c’mon.
myiq2xu
BTW – All I ever heard was that McCain can’t raise his arms above his head.
I never heard anything about “jerky, restrained movements”
I think you’re just trying to cover up cuz you fucked up and blew up at me for no reason and you don’t want to admit it.
incontrolados
Mark Levine just had a caller on — his father was tortured, but that doesn’t matter. He still thinks McCain is a fraud.
Jen
Geez, I wish people would stop playing guess the sock puppet game with me. I have always been the same person. I’ve got a little bit of free time, but not that kind of free time.
yet another jeff
What sort of fraud is McCain, according to the caller?
incontrolados
If that were so, wouldn’t JC have complained about banning me?
crw
According to my roommate’s Dead Ender Republican parents, McCain wasn’t really tortured by the North Vietnamese. They just roughed him up a bit, apparently, so he has no moral standing to criticize Bush on waterboarding. I think this sentiment is pretty common among the Bush Fanboi Club.
myiq2xu
I think you’re really a sockpuppet of Jen
That would be really diabolical, wouldn’t it?
tBone
Thanks for that colorful phrasing, asshole. Now every time Chris Matthew’s freakishly large head pollutes my TV, I’m going to imagine him doing something unspeakable to a picture of Hillary taped under his desk.
incontrolados
One clue for the doubters, one click one my name leads you to my struggling blog. Second, I have been burned by the wingnuts. Given that is the case, with a little work you can find where someone posted my work information, including my picture. No threat means anything to me since that happened. Jeff Goldstein himself posted my work information and threatened my job. He threatened my job directly. He failed. Good for me. But the next person could suffer.
Can Jen’s hat tip compete with that?
incontrolados
same old same old — McCain is a liberal. Or a Rino.
Conservatively Liberal
Nope, no fuck up in understanding here. McCain looks nothing like the Crypt Keeper, but he has problems moving his arms well. TZ made the mistake of the joke about his arms and you follow up with the CK comment immediately afterward.
Keep playing dumb though, you are a natural for that role.
tBone
My apologies. I thought inco deserved a little bizarre paranoia directed her (his?) way. I don’t really think she’s you, Jen (if indeed that is your name,
sirmadam).Jen
Thank you, sort of, tBone.
John S.
Pop Quiz:
If a person is a hero when they are 35, and an asshole when they are 72, what do you call them?
A) A hero
B) An asshole
C) John McCain
D) All of the above
Jen
In my free time, by the way, have been trying to teach the toddler to say Barack Obama’s Magical Unity Pony. It sounds like “Rock Obama PONY!!”. The six year old says “Are we cheering for Rock You Bama of President?” It’s pretty cute.
Psycheout
It was hard to tell the difference between these two far left socialists. Soak the rich. Socialist healthcare. Surrender to the terrorists. It was painful to watch. Whatever happened to the Democrat party?
In more important news, Mike Huckabee got the Free Republic endorsement from Jim Robinson himself. Now that’s incredible!
Jen
John S., I have enjoyed your presence here immensely, let me say. I choose (d).
Jake
On second thoughts, I will vote for the candidate who promises to reign in lame ass tedious little ankle gnawing butt flakes who say the same damn thing a thousand times.
libarbarian
I do. Maybe I should start making up online personalities.
tBone
Sylvester Stallone as John Rambo.
myiq2xu
Yeah, the Crypt Keeper is famous for his arm movements.
For the record, I think McCain deserves respect for his military service and his time as a POW. He is one of the two remaining GOP members that I have any respect for, with Bob Dole being the other.
Dole can’t use his right arm because of injuries he received in Italy during WWII, but I still made a crack about him being a greeter at Walmart earlier today in another thread. I guess you consider that an insult to his injury too.
I went back through recent threads, and I noticed you respond with personal attacks (on me and others) when you disagree with them.
You’re trying to puff yourself up as a patriotic defender of torture victims, but in reality you’re just someone whose self-esteem is so low you confuse argument with personal attack.
I’ve never made a personal attack on you, but you’ve made several on me.
Name calling is not a cogent argument.
Jen
Do something more productive, like crocheting tissue box cozies, or trying to lash myiq to the pony.
The Moar You Know
And so ends the quixotic mission of Mike Huckabee, personal representative of Raptor Jesus, to become High Bishop of the United States.
Seriously, Psycheout, that’s great news. Knowing that his campaign has now reached the end-stage of total failure will help me sleep a bit better at night.
tBone
Be nice. myiq2 has barely trolled Obama at all in this thread.
Zeta
Have you tried “Barack and roll”?
yet another jeff
CL, I can’t even tell who you’re mad at anymore. Fine…McCAAAAAAIINNNN!!! doesn’t look like the Crypt Keeper, because the crypt keeper is a puppet and everyone thinks of the Crypt Keeper’s arms, not his dried up stretched tight face.
So…McCAAAAIIINNNN!!! looks like some other example of really old and dry, but not a puppet version. Man, you really take the fun out of pop culture references….
John S.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
(D) is the correct answer.
I’m actually rather enjoying the threads these days. Almost as interesting as this same time in 2004, although for different reasons.
Conservatively Liberal
Leaving the peanut gallery to the peanuts…
Overall, the debate was one of the best so far. Hillary did well, as did Obama. I would call that a win-win for the democrats (in comparison to the *yawn* republican debate last night). The Iraq war stuff was about the only mumbo-jumbo moment for Hillary, and Barack did well in contrasting himself to her on it.
Hillary plugging her townhall at the end was kind of lame. Obama seemed kind of stiff in the past debates, but he looked much better this time. With all of the activity surrounding him, this was well timed in relation to next Tuesday.
It ought to be interesting to see how this all shakes out after Tuesday.
Jen
Yeah, I have sort of returned to the blogosphere for the first time since November ’04, over the last few months. I had gotten pretty into the Great Orange Satan in 2004, and after the election, I honestly felt like, well, I am not gonna want to have much to do with politics for a while, so I guess I’d better take care of friends and family. They’re on their own again now!
Tractarian
I gotta say, as a certified Obamabot, Hillary was impressive tonight. She still doesn’t make sense on Iraq but it’s clear she’d be lightyears better as president than Mr. Hero Asshole.
myiq2xu
Hmmm.
Notice the last word? What do you think “though” was intended to convey?
I re-read that and I can’t see how you get anything about arm movements from that. When I think about the Crypt Keeper I think about an animated skull puppet, not awkward arm movements.
Your take is as ridiculous as saying that Bill Clinton was making a racial slur when he called Obama a “kid” and used the words “fairy tale.”
You were just looking for an excuse to be offended. And then you acted like a bully.
incontrolados
Ok, Jen wins. You all love her.
I give up. I guess that means nothing.
Pups will be good to go mid-Feb. Not that anyone here ever thought of much more than looking at them.
I enjoyed my time here, but hey, I know when I am bested.
Laugh yourselves through the torture.
Late,
Michelle
myiq2xu
Still can’t be a man and admit your mistake.
Tsk, tsk.
Jen
That chick has got some complicated psychology going on.
Len
The Democratic Party won tonight. Without doubt.
Jen
Okay, let’s talk about the debate again, just for kicks. I thought Hillary talked a lot. I thought, on the big-screen hi-def I was watching her on, that she probably would’ve looked better on my little screen lo-def. But I thought she did well, and seemed relatively human and likeable. Barack, I just thought was reliable as ever. I liked the dig at Mitt Romney’s return on his investment. I am reasonably certain he got his Iraq point across. I grew to detest Wolf even more.
myiq2xu
Sexist and racist language is not permitted here!
Obscenity and derogatory language is encouraged, however.
TheFountainHead
See, I knew there was a reason I didn’t come to BJ for this thread.
Geez guys, even Barack and Hillary came out with a lot more substance tonight!
Jen
Speaking of substance, no one even mentioned how he pulled Hillary’s chair out at the end.
Us Southern ladies, we like that. A lost art.
Yep, I’m one of those annoying women that wants to have my cake and eat it too.
Which is a dumb expression, what else would you do with cake, but you take the point.
TheFountainHead
I noticed. Obama’s whole night was full of very subtle things that are likely to almost subliminally ingratiate him with voters.
John Giord
Both Hillary and Prince Precious did well. Since Hillary received such negative press compared to Obama these last two weeks, I think a tie in the debate will help her more than him.
Evilbeard
Crypt Keeper = a Mummy.
Mummy = Old
McCain = Cryptkeeper
McCain = Old
wow its all so simple!
myiq2xu
How people behave when they know they are being watched (and recorded) isn’t very revealing.
It’s when they they think they aren’t being watched or when they accidentally let the mask slip that reveals their true natures.
myiq2xu
That’s what I thought.
Jen
He must’ve read
, too! :)
Jake
No it isn’t it is a sly reference to tiger cages and you just hate the troops OMG they want to kill us where is your sense of honor and decency waaaaah!
myiq2xu
At that level they have experts watching every move they make in mock debates.
Facial expressions, posture, tone of voice, gestures, etc., are all planned and programmed. Prior to the debate they will have people checking the lighting, podium/table heights, all the minutia.
They often have someone seated in the front of the audience who can signal them with gestures if they forget something. That person will have an earpiece so they can get input from others watching on tv.
They also try to anticipate questions and practice a few quips and comebacks that will end up being used on the post-debate recaps, news shows and for tv ads.
It’s not a debate, it’s a performance.
myiq2xu
I will give myself a timeout. I will sit in the corner for five minutes and feel shame.
ThymeZone
Okay, that’s fair.
myiq2xu
Ooooooh! Rudy may not be so stupid after all. From Attytood:
He wouldn’t do that, would he?
myiq2xu
It was supposed to be a punishment, not a new hobby.
myiq2xu
Mick Shrimpton is back!
Texas Dem
McCain is Bob Dole without the viagra. Either HRC or BO could beat him. Together, they’re unstoppable.
Psycheout
Call me crazy, but I detect a note of sarcasm in your comment. Of course if you’re a dirty lieberal democRAT, you’re probably perpetually asleep.
When the Hellbeast let out her famous Clinton cackle tonight when asked if she could restrain her tubby hubby, I ran screaming from the room. It’s bad enough that her voice is like nails on a chalkboard, but that cackle reminds me of the Wizard of Oz for some reason.
Obamanation was smooth as butter tonight, but despite all those words he speaks, he says essentially nothing. He’s like the Democrat version of Mittens Romney. He’s all sound and hype, signifying nothing.
A Huckabee/Obama debate would be fascinating. But Obama would clean McCain’s clock, and Mitt would blend into the wallpaper against the sophisticated animatronics of Barack Hussein.
West Coast libertarian
I’m 61 years old and didn’t get that expession until about two years ago. It makes sense (and may have originally been) “wants to eat my cake and have it too”
yet another jeff
Wow, incontrolados…why so sensitive about some gentle sock-puppet talk?
myiq2xu
It’s not a sight for the faint of heart (so I’ve heard)
She’s gonna get you for that.
And your little dog too!
TheFountainHead
I happen to work in the entertainment industry, I’m pretty well aware of all the tricks of the trade to make “scripted and rehearsed” look “live and spontaneous” and I’m saying he and the minds behind him did a very good job tonight.
myiq2xu
I didn’t realize there was a competition. Was there only one opening left or something?
Were we supposed to choose sides?
Hell, I didn’t even realize inco was female until a little while ago, not that it mattered.
If John is gonna limit the number of females in here, it should be settled in a fair and democratic manner.
Like a wet T-shirt contest.
Don’t bother responding TZ, I’m heading for the corner right now.
cbear
Sure thing. And then we could have a taco-eating contest and let the ladies choose their favs.
Man, this is some stupid shit tonight.
myiq2xu
They say once you learn to fake sincerity, the rest is gravy.
myiq2xu
It says “Hot Air and Ill-Informed Banter” at the top of the page.
socraticsilence
Since were talking about Mccain and Torture one of the things that sickens me about the thought of Hillary as the nommnee is the fact that it mould mean that we would have choosen someone to the right of the GOP nominee on torture! I mean seriously, WTF that’s grotesque right?
Psycheout
If you eat your cake, you don’t have it anymore. Unless it goes straight to your hips, I suppose.
Is that so hard to understand?
You had your cake, but you ate it and now you look fat in that dress. Got it? Good.
Beej
I’m still looking for the answer to a question I asked here a couple of weeks ago. Has any debate moderator ever asked Clinton or Obama just exactly what they would do to restore the “checks and balances” the Constitution mandates and undo the illegal, unconstitutional crap that the Bush administration has foisted on us? Or do they like power too much to abandon this new version of the imperial presidency? Has this question been asked? Was it answered? How?
(I know I could probably find my own answers by spending a few hours on Google, but I don’t have the hours to spend and I’m too lazy anyway.)
Beej
Oh, and while we’re at it, what are Clinton’s and Obama’s positions on signing statements that specifically contradict the law?
srv
And I’m pretty sure you won’t have an answer from Obama or Hitlery in Nov.
I’m sick of you Paulites and Kuchininnies and your damn ‘civil liberties’
myiq2xu
See, there’s a simple genius to Chimpy’s plan.
Since the Islamofascistcommunistlibrul terrorists hate us for our freedoms, if we don’t have any freedoms, they won’t hate us anymore.
G-Dub is just spreading the love.
crw
Beej,
Um, don’t expect the MSM to ask such a probing question. After all, to do so would be to implicitly acknowledge they fucked up by failing to challenge the Deciderator. And it would make the candidates look bad for failing to push for impeachment. And it’s an irrelevant question compared to such weighty matters as who snubbed whom.
Digital Amish
Then can’t one of ’em tell Hillary to tone down the laugh? I can see where it could get annoying.
Johnny Pez
This is a trick question, right?
myiq2xu
It’s probably the most natural thing she showed tonight.
Kinda makes ya feel more charitible towards the Big Dog about that whole Monica thing though, don’t it?
Wilfred
I read the transcripts of the debate early this morning and some of Clinton’s answers confirm why I won’t vote for her. She inisists that her Iraq war vote was correct but that Bush ‘misused’ it (I managed good but they sure played bad/I confess – he did it). Ok, but then why the support of Kyl-Lieberman?? Is there no chance that Bush won’t use that as a pretext for attacking Iran? Right.
She hedged her bets, triangulating with the the ‘success’ of the surge, and woke up to see:
How long before the Iranians get blamed? Can’t be al-Qaeda – we just killed their number 3 guy.
Krista
That WAS really weird. I have no idea what’s up with the “if she stays, I’m going” foolishness. But if there is a limit on the number of females, I’m pulling rank. :)
yet another jeff
Well, Jeff Goldstein himself posted her work information and threatened her job…which sucks…and would make her sort of a folk hero if she didn’t get so weirdly whiny about the comparison’s to JWW.
Although it’s going to be really tedious listening to people whine that McCAAAAAIIIIINNNNN!!! is a hero and be unable to distinguish our mocking him for his last 8 years of political cuckoldry as he embraces the man and the political machine that tried to destroy him in 2000.
And he DOES look like the Crypt Keeper.
The Grand Panjandrum
Ross Douthat (a conservative) over at the Atlantic makes this point about the debate:
Word.
Krista
Being a hero does not automatically qualify one to lead a country. Someone can be a hero, and can be admired for that, but can be a terrible politician, and can be fairly criticized for that. The idea that someone can be immune from any and all criticism because of past heroism does a disservice to the person in question — they wind up being surrounded by fawning yes-men who don’t help the person learn and grow as a politician. Criticizing his appearance isn’t really productive — I’ll agree with that. But criticizing his policies or his political stances? That’s fair game.
TheFountainHead
I know that on several occasions, including at least one of the debates (I think New Hampshire) Obama has said that the first thing his new AG does, whoever that may be, is go back and review every single signing statement Bush ever made. To be perfectly candid, I have no idea whether Hillary has ever made such a statement–not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong.
Cyrus
Agreed. It’s a sad commentary on the mood around here during primary season that ThymeZone is the most civil person in the thread.
Doug H.
Of course not, he’ll wait for Ron Paul to finish his “campaign” before they both jaunt off to the Cayman Islands.
The Grand Panjandrum
Agreed. And we have plenty to disagree with McCain, all Republicans for that matter, on policy matters. I am going to be very interested to hear how he will explain his enthusiastic cheerleading for the former Cheerleaders “Surge” to voters during the General Election. You only have to read today’s headline to know how risky that strategy is. He’s fine for the primary, but if he is the nominee, he can kiss the election goodbye.
The military has performed well, but the diplomats in the Administration are incapable of getting the various factions in Iraq to sit down and agree on anything of substance. Even the de-deBathification law is far less than it appeared to be.
The Republicans are toast. Last nights Democratic debate draw a very stark contrast with the Republican debate, in both style and substance.
@John Cole: I’m going to see Barack Obama over in Albuquerque this morning. Think of it as a recon mission. I’ll let you know if the M.U.P. train is leaving the station. The auditorium only holds 2300 people, but I heard through the grapevine it will be an overflow crowd. I’ll even post a little video over at youtube and maybe we can convince you to hop on board the Pony Express, as it were.
Cyrus
Well, I apologize for defending the media, but they did ask the question, and several similar ones. The question about signing statements is question number four. I haven’t read all the candidates’ answers to all the questions, but Giuliani and Thompson refused to answer all the ones I saw — and amusingly enough, so did that charming, friendly, Baptist preacher.
Jen
Godspeed to you, my friend PJ (I know you’re really GP, but somehow it sounds like PJ)
Mr Furious
McCain moves his arms as if he has no elbows, like Barney the Dinosaur.
He actually has no shoulders. As has been mentioned many times upthread and elsewhere, it’s due to his POW days. He cannot raise his arms above his head.
I am shocked TZ (being from Arizona) did not know this. But I believe him, it’s not every day you see TZ apologize for offending anyone… :-)
yet another jeff
Well, I was using the Crypt Keeper thing not as criticism, but more as punctuation. I also think that Jerry Jones, owner of the Dallas Cowboys, looked like the Crypt Keeper after he had his plastic surgery…but that wasn’t my critique of his policies, it was just a statement of what I considered to be a fact.
The Other Steve
Ron Paul is running ads in Minnesota.
So is Obama.
Haven’t seen anybody else.
The Other Steve
Wait a minute. I thought Obama was the Republican candidate because he mentioned Reagan.
Ed Drone
“Chuck Norris” and “Hollywood” are no longer synonymous, so the original statement stands as correct.
Ed