White House moves to shield pandemic response if the government shuts down https://t.co/Esv9vKp3hD
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) September 29, 2021
The U.S. recovery from the latest Covid-19 wave is taking hold across the country, with cases dropping or poised to start falling in the vast majority of states. https://t.co/PT1tapE1DH
— Tim O’Brien (@TimOBrien) September 29, 2021
A high stakes gambit to boost the U.S. vaccination rate, Biden’s federal mandate will cover as many as 100 million Americans, including private-sector employees, health care workers and federal contractors. https://t.co/g36YwkJ6T0
— The Associated Press (@AP) September 28, 2021
If FDA authorizes the booster of this coronavirus vaccine at a half dose size, as sources tell us is likely, the smaller dosage level could reduce risk of side effects from the shot, and allow Moderna to produce more doses globally in near-term, easing supply constraints. https://t.co/xcuh05r1T7
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 29, 2021
For its vaccine, Moderna created a strong dose—almost max tolerated. Pfizer did opposite, leading to speculation it was about profit margin, requiring multiple doses.
Sources tell me they think smaller Moderna booster is more about lessening potential side effects of 3rd dose. https://t.co/vhe7LTwcId
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 29, 2021
We’re reaching deadlines for vaccine mandates. Some compliance numbers:
United: 98.5%
Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester, NY: 95.5%
Bassett Healthcare Network, NY: 97%
NY hospitals overall: 92%
In several cases: <1 percent of employees terminatedhttps://t.co/IWRSyw2TfM— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) September 29, 2021
Daily chart – America’s pandemic is now an outlier in the rich world https://t.co/QAVLWLqBTV
— Doug Thompson (@NWADoug) September 29, 2021
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The head of the World Health Organization said on Tuesday that he expected all countries, including China, to collaborate in the second phase of a probe into the origins of the coronavirus after an initial mission to China. https://t.co/wuqc18xFu1
— Reuters Health (@Reuters_Health) September 28, 2021
Column: New evidence undermines the COVID lab-leak theory — but the press keeps pushing it https://t.co/Na8TVnDTJU
— Michael Hiltzik (@hiltzikm) September 29, 2021
China's Golden Week travel not expected to return to pre-COVID levels this year https://t.co/flUkQrlXqE pic.twitter.com/v9OYOhTEUm
— Reuters (@Reuters) September 30, 2021
Malaysia makes COVID-19 vaccinations compulsory for government employees https://t.co/uPeswOgjil pic.twitter.com/ppRC8Ku7L4
— Reuters (@Reuters) September 30, 2021
Vietnam will lift the lockdown in its largest city, ending nearly three months of restrictions on movement to curb a coronavirus surge. People in Ho Chi Minh City will be able to leave their homes, but the government will still enforce social distancing. https://t.co/I2WCmHfv3U
— The Associated Press (@AP) September 30, 2021
As Singapore pursues a strategy of “living with COVID” and a gradual relaxation of pandemic restrictions, daily cases are skyrocketing and residents are growing increasingly anxious. But behind the headline figures, there is evidence the plan is working. https://t.co/oxOxbkBOj3
— The Associated Press (@AP) September 30, 2021
Melbourne's COVID-19 cases surged to record levels with officials blaming illegal home gatherings to watch the Australian Rules Football Grand Final for the spike as a hard lockdown neared two months https://t.co/R7owGWXKIE pic.twitter.com/iL7xO2BlJY
— Reuters (@Reuters) September 30, 2021
Shock as teens reveal they're behind hit Covid sitehttps://t.co/1ECrhWdbOH pic.twitter.com/Xg31LSRkNv
— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) September 30, 2021
New Zealand will offer a one-off resident visa to as many as 165,000 migrants after delays in processing applications during the pandemic threatened an exodus of skilled workers https://t.co/eYjhxbpBkh
— Bloomberg (@business) September 30, 2021
Russia yesterday recorded the highest Covid death number in the world and officials are warning that the country is about to face a fourth wave. Only 29% of the population is fully vaccinated pic.twitter.com/MXxGl0x8Z5
— Pjotr Sauer (@PjotrSauer) September 27, 2021
Russian residents may soon be able to receive vaccines not recognized by the government, the Kommersant business daily reported, citing a Health Ministry proposal put up for public discussionhttps://t.co/bzEGHVbVAg
— The Moscow Times (@MoscowTimes) September 30, 2021
New frontiers in d*ck-measuring!
“It’s very low,” was Erdogan’s response after Putin reported his antibody level (“around 15 or 16”). My antibody level, for example, is above 1,000” https://t.co/MvCT77T5Gk via @bpolitics
— Rosalind Mathieson (@RosMathieson) September 29, 2021
The pandemic has caused life expectancy in western Europe to fall by the largest amount since the second world war. Find out how our data team is tracking the pandemic on the continent https://t.co/tgvzl7UFs5
— The Economist (@TheEconomist) September 29, 2021
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It’s safe to get Covid & flu vaccines at the same time, according to the CDC https://t.co/CrygMyUclH pic.twitter.com/cXm9geXiCr
— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) September 30, 2021
2/ "As of Sept27, 2021, >125,000 lab-confirmed #COVID19 cases have been reported in pregnant people, including >22,000 hospitalized cases & 161 deaths."
In addition to risk to mothers, "there is an increased risk for adverse pregnancy and neonatal outcomes" with COVID infection. pic.twitter.com/kDkFpUnZ9b— Laurie Garrett (@Laurie_Garrett) September 29, 2021
Kids & Covid: 200K new pediatric cases are being added weekly, according to the Amer. Academy of Pediatrics & the Children’s Hospital Assn. Over a 5-wk span, there have been 1.13M new pediatric cases just under 20% of all cases during the entire pandemic https://t.co/H99ktYu0Rl pic.twitter.com/Neqq4xqe2n
— delthia ricks ? (@DelthiaRicks) September 30, 2021
did they also announce they’ve invented a time machine because https://t.co/Mz2YSWsf1i
— World Famous Art Thief (@CalmSporting) September 29, 2021
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South Carolina school districts can require masks, the state's education chief said. The decision came a day after a federal judge sided with the parents of disabled students who said a state ban on masks was discriminatory. https://t.co/c0dbs84Agp
— The Associated Press (@AP) September 29, 2021
Los Angeles moves toward barring the unvaccinated from most businesses https://t.co/hJOSseTJAu pic.twitter.com/hUDICpmnBO
— Reuters (@Reuters) September 30, 2021
So there it is…
Andrew Wiggins will forfeit $15.8 MILLION this season if he refuses to get vaccinated.
Kyrie Irving will forfeit $17.5 million if he chooses not to get vaccinated. https://t.co/EQpdiSOeQk
— Tommy Beer (@TommyBeer) September 29, 2021
“What do the Pope, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, the Dalai Lama, and the Taliban have in common?” https://t.co/t8pu2Ppz7R
— Fred Will Not Subscribe To Your Newsletter (@LesserFrederick) September 28, 2021
She tells it like it is, and I appreciate it. States that have “personal/philosophical belief” exemptions can let people off, but the religious exemption with respect to vaccination is nearly obsolete in practice and, if applied rigorously, numerically insignificant.
— Fred Will Not Subscribe To Your Newsletter (@LesserFrederick) September 28, 2021
Authorities in religions that have historically refused medical treatment and vaccination, like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Christian Scientists, have said that vaccination is a personal choice. It is not doctrinally forbidden.
— Fred Will Not Subscribe To Your Newsletter (@LesserFrederick) September 28, 2021
where does kathy hochul go to get her apology https://t.co/5lO5C7A06T
— Fred Will Not Subscribe To Your Newsletter (@LesserFrederick) September 28, 2021
NotMax
U.S. blows past 700,000 reported deaths.
Bulgaria and Bolivia now the 56th and 57th countries to report more than 500k total cases.
Baud
@NotMax:
Once again, I wish they would distinguish between innocent deaths and suicide by virus.
p.a.
Why do tRumpturds push the ‘China made it’ bs? To me, that makes their god-king’s incompetent and viscious response even more condemnable than if the virus is the result of natural processes.
OzarkHillbilly
America’s pandemic is now an outlier in the rich world
Its daily toll of excess deaths is greater than in all other high-income countries combined
We’re #1! We’re #1! We’re #1! We’re #1!
Baud
@p.a.:
Their stories don’t need coherence.
NeenerNeener
Monroe County, NY:
Monroe County web site: 240 new cases yesterday. 4% test positivity.
NYSDOH says 250 new cases.
I’m not seeing any signs of Delta cases waning in these numbers.
mrmoshpotato
They can both suck an ass’s ass.
OzarkHillbilly
US hospitals outfitting nurses with panic buttons to prevent assaults
Here’s an idea, don’t go to the hospital. Stay home and die.
mrmoshpotato
@Baud:
Same here.
John S.
Since I have quite a few JWs in my family, I can definitively say this is misleading.
There is only one medical procedure that Jehovah’s Witnesses have ever refused based on doctrine: blood transfusions.
They have never refused any other form of medical treatment or vaccinations in particular.
Ksmiami
@mrmoshpotato: sorry antivaxxer. Com should do more stats….
OzarkHillbilly
@John S.: My curiosity is peaked. What specifically is their objection to blood transfusions?
debbie
@p.a.:
For the same reason they freak out about critical race theory being taught in preschool. Fear of things that don’t exist has been their calling card for decades.
The Thin Black Duke
@OzarkHillbilly: Why not give the hospital staff tasers instead?
John S.
@OzarkHillbilly:
There are passages in the Bible (Old Testament) which forbid eating blood. Orthodox Jews also maintain this standard, which is why Kosher meats have to be slaughtered and prepared in a very particular way.
As fundamentalists, JWs consider intravenous consumption of blood to be “eating”, and therefore forbidden.
raven
@The Thin Black Duke: They don’t work that well on insane people in a rage.
Baud
@The Thin Black Duke:
This is America. Give them guns.
The Thin Black Duke
@debbie: We used to call people suffering from hallucinations crazy.
The Thin Black Duke
@Baud: Now I’m imagining Florence Nightingale with an AK-47.
Ken
@OzarkHillbilly: Leviticus 17:10-14 forbids eating blood. The Witnesses extend that to taking blood into the body in any way.
mrmoshpotato
@The Thin Black Duke:
And a time machine? ?
YY_Sima Qian
On 9/29 China reported 6 new domestic confirmed cases & 0 new domestic asymptomatic cases.
Fujian Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. 40 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There currently are 318 active domestic confirmed (75 mild, 241 moderate & 2 critical) & 1 active domestic asymptomatic cases.
Heilongjiang Province reported 6 new domestic confirmed cases. There currently are 74 active domestic confirmed & 7 active domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.
Yunnan Province did not report any new domestic positive cases. There currently are 9 active domestic confirmed & 2 domestic asymptomatic cases remaining in the province, all at Ruili in Dehong Prefecture.
At Hunan Province the last 2 domestic confirmed cases recovered.
At Henan Province there currently are 7 active domestic confirmed cases remaining, all at Shangqiu.
Imported Cases
On 9/29, China reported 16 new imported confirmed cases (2 previously asymptomatic), 21 imported asymptomatic cases, 1 imported suspect case:
Overall in China, 63 confirmed cases recovered (21 imported), 7 asymptomatic cases were released from isolation (all imported) & 2 were reclassified as confirmed cases (both imported), & 672 individuals were released from quarantine. Currently, there are 908 active confirmed cases in the country (504 imported), 4 in serious condition (1 imported), 354 active asymptomatic cases (342 imported), 1 suspect case (imported). 27,283 traced contacts are currently under centralized quarantine.
As of 9/29, 2,208.921M vaccine doses have been injected in Mainland China, an increase of 2.867M doses in the past 24 hrs. As of 9/28, 1,047.872M individuals have been fully vaccinated, or 74.2% of the total population.
On 9/30, Hong Kong reported 3 new positive cases, all imported (from France & Pakistan).
Baud
@John S.:
@Ken:
Ok, so now I’m curious. Do JH follow all the OT dietary restrictions? I thought Jesus said they were moot post-Him.
Amir Khalid
Malaysia’s Ministry of Health reports 12,735 new Covid-19 cases today in its media statement, for a cumulative reported total of 2,245,695 cases. It also reports 208 new deaths as of midnight, for a cumulative total of 26,143 deaths – 1.16% of the cumulative reported total, 1.26% of resolved cases.
Based on cases reported yesterday, Malaysia’s nationwide Rt is at 0.89.
849 confirmed cases are in ICU, 387 of them on ventilators. Meanwhile, 17,725 more patients have recovered, for a cumulative total of 2,054,824 patients recovered – 91.5% of the cumulative reported total.
15 new clusters were reported today, for a cumulative total of 5,477 clusters. 1,088 clusters are currently active; 4,389 clusters are now inactive.
12,718 new cases today are local infections. Sarawak reports 2,487 cases: 25 in clusters, 1,313 close-contact screenings, and 1,149 other screenings.
Selangor reports 1,936 local cases: 112 in clusters, 901 close-contact screenings, and 923 other screenings. Johor reports 1,239 cases: 107 in clusters, 614 close-contact screenings, and 518 other screenings. Kelantan reports 1,232 cases: 29 in clusters, 798 close-contact screenings, and 405 other screenings. Kedah reports 1,033 cases: 38 in clusters, 584 close-contact screenings, and 411 other screenings.
Sabah reports 988 local cases: 13 in clusters, 492 close-contact screenings, and 483 other screenings. Perak reports 913 cases: 81 in clusters, 399 close-contact screenings, and 433 other screenings.
Penang reports 763 cases: 15 in clusters, 267 close-contact screenings, and 481 other screenings. Terengganu reports 726 cases: five in clusters, 568 close-contact screenings, and 153 other screenings.
Pahang reports 696 local cases: 311 in clusters, 302 close-contact screenings, and 83 other screenings.
Kuala Lumpur reports 254 local cases: three in clusters, 106 close-contact screenings, and 145 other screenings.
Melaka reports 194 cases: 22 in clusters, 76 close-contact screenings, and 96 other screenings. Negeri Sembilan reports 131 local cases: two in clusters, 73 close-contact screenings, and 56 other screenings.
Perlis reports 97 cases: 38 close-contact screenings and 59 other screenings. Putrajaya reports 28 cases: 21 close-contact screenings and seven other screenings. Labuan reports one case, found in a cluster.
17 new cases today are imported: five in Sabah, four in Selangor, four in Kuala Lumpur, two in Johor, one in Pahang, and one in Negeri Sembilan.
The National Covid-19 Immunisation Programme (PICK) administered 338,661 doses of vaccine on 29th September: 190,599 first doses and 148,062 second doses. As of midnight yesterday, the cumulative total is 43,367,580 doses administered: 23,369,913 first doses and 20,093,678 second doses. 71.5% of the population have received their first dose, while 61.5% are now fully vaccinated.
The Federal Government is now requiring that all government staff get vaccinated – unless they get a medical exemption.Dang, scooped again by Anne Laurie.debbie
@The Thin Black Duke:
Some hospitals are teaching self-defense techniques. Wouldn’t a kick to the groin shock the hell out of a MAGAt? I look forward to a news story about that.
OzarkHillbilly
@John S.: Thanx. I kinda have to wonder how they get around that restriction with say, a liver transplant.
The Thin Black Duke
@mrmoshpotato: Makes as much sense as loony tune nutjobs gobbling down horse paste when there are three viable vaccines available. I did not think this lunacy would be on my 2021 Bingo card.
OzarkHillbilly
@John S.: @Ken: Also, more blood sausage for me.
Ken
Not that I know of… (googles) Harumph. Yes, based on my extensive research, they don’t follow any of the OT dietary restrictions.
I suspect bacon factored into the original decision.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
If that surgery is anticipated, don’t they save up their own blood to use?
John S.
@Ken:
I never had a problem with the logic of viewing taking in intravenous fluids as “eating”. But I could never understand why a Christian faith that believes Jesus as the messiah overturned the “old laws” would still adhere to some (but not all) of those old laws.
It always seemed a bit picky/choosy to me.
Chetan Murthy
@John S.: As much as I understand that some of the kosher laws are ancient food safety rules, …. even still, the idea of expecting any sort of consistency from *religion* seems pretty hopeless.
Baud
@John S.:
Picky/choosy is the fundamental tenet of Baudism.
John S.
@Baud:
No. But back in the 80s, a doctor pioneered “bloodless” surgery whereby a machine is used to recycle the blood back into the body. That’s the only thing they consider acceptable. Which also feels a bit picky/choosy to me.
JWs actually carry “No Blood” cards that forbids medical practitioners from giving them a blood transfusion under any circumstances. They would rather die than get one.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: I’m thinking of all the blood within the liver, which is more than a little. Do they somehow clean it out? And how thoroughly?
prostratedragon
@Baud: [choking on the dust covering memories of confirmation classes] As I recall, that was Paul’s interpretation. He and Peter had a big disagreement about whether it was necessary for Gentile converts to be fully Jewish (circumcised) first, and I think the notion that the dietary laws need not be obeyed followed from Paul’s interpretation that the first conversion was not necessary. It’s in the book of Acts.
Peale
On the Meh News home front, cases in my immediate area have been stable for the last few weeks. If there was going to be a spike from schools reopening and people spending more time inside, we would have started to experience it by now. That said, cases have not been declining either. So daily new cases are still 12-15x higher than June and have been for two months.
On the good news front, there doesn’t seem to be a new variant in the pipeline that will make us go sideways. So at least for awhile, we’re good. Whatever’s coming is not different enough to make me think we’re in for a new wave.
John S.
@OzarkHillbilly:
Nah, they just rationalize that the liver isn’t “blood” even though it contains a lot of blood. Their official position is that organ transplants are fine as long as there is no blood transfusion during the surgery.
Faith and science don’t usually overlap.
topclimber
@John S.: JW stance on blood transfusions.
lowtechcyclist
@p.a.:
Same thought here. If Covid is a Chinese attack, Trump’s response was to leave the nation undefended, and encourage his minions to fight any locality that tried to to defend itself.
Sounds like treason to me.
Amir Khalid
@Ken:
Judaism and Islam both allow preservation-of-life exceptions for kosher and halal dietary restrictions. Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses and other such groups also allow this kind of exception?
topclimber
@Peale: Your good news is good news indeed.
As to declining case rates, I think we will see news of long hauler effects among younger patients, kids especially, will be next to saturate public awareness.
OzarkHillbilly
Ain’t that the truth.
Cermet
As I have pointed out a number of times, no religion (we are talking non-local cults) prohibit vaccines. So the exemptions is utter nonsense.
Nelle
My state ‘s positivity rate is about 9.5% (Iowa) but my county, Polk, is at 14.12% for the last seven days (CDC numbers). Keeping close to home. My four year old granddaughter wears a mask all day, except meals, at pre-K/daycare. “That’s how we keep everyone safe, Grandma.”
Cermet
@Baud:I see someone got there already
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@p.a.: the China conspiracy theory supports their “we’re an oppressed minority that everyone hates” LARP and also explains why Jesus isn’t protecting them; because the Libertards made the virus with the evil magic of science!
WaterGirl
If you sign up for a booster at CVS, and you are not over 65, they make you attest that you are immunocompromised AND they make you attest that you are eligible for a vaccine under the CDC recommendations.
I wonder. Is this CYA (cover your ass) for CVS? Attempt to dissuade people who are signing up for the booster but are not eligible yet? Would this set the state for there be consequences for anyone who signed up for wasn’t allowed under the CDC guidelines?
Robert Sneddon
@Amir Khalid: ‘Young’ religions and especially offshoots of established religions are often more ‘pure’ than their forebears who learned the hard way through plagues and famines that religious dietary and hygiene rules are more like strong suggestions in some situations.
JWs can be hard-core opposed to blood transfusions in part because only a few individuals would suffer and die because of this decision and modern medical science has ways to get around even that limitation to treatment options in many cases. If there was a widespread disease or plague that could best be treated by blood transfusions then either the JW community would suffer appalling numbers of fatalities and/or the doctrine would change.
See also the original 19th-century Mormon doctrine regarding dark-skinned people (the Sons of Ham?) and the superseding revelation in the mid-20th century that actually black folks were real human beings all along, funny that.
sab
@debbie: My 97 year old dad used to be very good at prying things from the hands of toddlers. He said he learned the techniques as a doctor in training in emergency rooms.
New Deal democrat
The question for the next few weeks is likely to be whether the Delta wave continues to recede or not. There is some cautionary news there, as the decline has slowed in the last week, and in particular the last 5 days, which have had only a 4% decline (measured from peak), as opposed to a 22% decline in the prior week. OTOH, there have been several such slow short periods of decline since the peak one month ago.
Robert Sneddon
Scotland — 2,911 new cases reported today. The test positivity rate is 6.7%. There were 35 new deaths reported overnight. ICU bed occupancy numbers are 74, up three from yesterday while hospitalisations are 998, down 22.
There were over 5,500 vaccinations carried out in Scotland yesterday (Wednesday) with about 55% of these being first vaccinations. 91.4% of 16+ adults are now vaccinated with their first dose and 84.4% are fully vaccinated. 71.4% of 16 and 17-year-olds have now received their first vaccination, up 0.2% from yesterday. 13.7% of 12-15 year olds have now received their first vaccination, up 1% from yesterday. Reverse-engineering that last figure, there are about 200,000 12-15 year olds in Scotland so about 2,000 of them received a vaccination yesterday, about two-thirds of all first vaccinations that day.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Amir Khalid: JW consider anyone not in their group a satanist so that includes science. If you get a vaccine you are having Satan injected into you in the JW world view, and what is month of misery dying from COVID next to an eternity in Hell?
Soprano2
This is good news, because we’re going to need effective treatments for Covid-19 as well as vaccines. I wonder if the people who are taking ivermectin will accept drugs like this as a treatment.
Scout211
@WaterGirl:
All the sign-up sites in California (state, counties, pharmacies) have a menu that includes a check-list that links to the CDC standards and makes you attest that you fit into the current categories of eligibility. I assumed that this was coming straight from the CDC and all of the administering agencies are required to comply with the standards.
The question of consequences for the people who lie and claim they are eligible but are not? It sounds like the responsibility is on the individual who lied, not the agency administering the shot. Maybe it’s CYA but it’s also good medical practice IMHO.
Tony Gerace
@p.a.: That’s right. Trump surrendered after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
Peale
@Soprano2: They’ll just go back to saying that its experimental and interferes with their natural immunity.
Robert Sneddon
@Peale:
It’s a press release from the drug makers touting in-house lab results. Lots of drugs and treatments work “in the lab”, even bleach works against a virus like COVID-19 in the lab. Pardon my cynicism.
Abnormal Hiker
@Amir Khalid: I think the answer is no exceptions. There have been cases in Canada where JW children were made wards of the state to allow a blood transfusion
Uncle Cosmo
…Roger, Francis, or Kevin?? :^p
Ruckus
@p.a.:
Are you attempting to use common sense in your questioning of trumpturds? Because they have no grasp of, no understanding of, no desire to, no concept of any kind of idea of common sense, or ideal of reality.
Uncle Cosmo
For that matter, go farther back – the Federal government refused to admit Utah to the Union until its Mormon-dominated government outlawed polygamy in 1890, even though it qualified by population size a couple of decades earlier. You have to suspect that the “revelation” that multiple wives was now a no-no was, mmm, strongly encouraged by the general desire of the Latter-Day Saints** not to remain forever a territory with neither Congressional representation nor the right to vote for Presidents.
(When I toured the Temple complex in SLC some years back, my young Mexican guide said that after 1846 polygamy was justified because so many of the men had perished during the great migration, and in LDS culture women “needed” to be under the protection of a man; once the gender balance was restored it was no longer necessary. Nice try…with no mention at all of anything prior, certainly not the Joseph Smith connection…)
** As opposed to the rest of us, the “Later-the-Same-Day Sinners” they call “Gentiles.” (Only the Mormons could turn Jews into Gentiles with straight faces.)
Fair Economist
@New Deal democrat: The UK’s record, with a long run of high transmission rates, indicates that without hygienic measures Delta will just keep grinding on and on. Crudely, if everybody caught it once a year, which seems very plausible comparing it to cold viruses, we’d get about 150,000 infections per day, which would be about 50,000 recorded based on estimates I’ve seen of the percentage that get recorded.
New Deal democrat
@Fair Economist: Except in Israel cases have declined 60% from peak. And in India they have been down about 80%-90% from peak for over half a year.