A while back I told you I never had a reaction to a vaccine. Welp. I got the shingles and flu vaccine yesterday, and my arm is sore as hell and I have a full on man cold. Nothing terrible, just aches and pains and flu like symptoms, can’t stay awake for more than two hours.
At about 30 hours out so I think I will feel right as rain tomorrow. And I would do it again in a heartbeat because shingles sucks.
Tim in SF
I had zero reaction to the Pfizer vaccine but the Shingles vaccine I got two months ago laid me out flat for almost a whole day. Advil helped but mostly I just tried to sleep it off with some Ativan. It was TERRIBLE.
Symptoms started about 24 hours after the shot and lasted the whole day, well into the night.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
I know how you feel, John. My arm hurt like hell after the first shot of the COVID vaccine for a few days afterwards. Moderna btw.
sab
Husband spent the afternoon and evenimg after his shingles shot on the floor of the bathroom throwing up, with chills and fever. So count yourself lucky. Still better than shingles.
JPL
I qualify for the third pfizer covid vaccine, and planned on getting the flu shot at the same time. On CNN two doctors said space them out.
Starboard Tack
I got the Pfizer booster yesterday and woke up with a cold sore in the corner of my mouth. Haven’t had one for years. Curious! I googled a study that found a handful of folks developed shingles afterwards but nothing about oral herpes.
dexwood
The worst reactions ever from shots for me were from the pair of shingles shots. About 30 hours of flu-like illness, all the aches and pains, lethargy and low fever. The symptoms left as quickly as they began. Still, having known some shingles sufferers, I thought it a small price to pay.
Matt McIrvin
Shot two of Shingrix affected me way worse than either COVID shot. I basically just had to lie down for most of the next day.
That was in the spring of 2021. I’d timed it with the understanding that it’d be two weeks until I was eligible for COVID vaccination, so I could space them out as the CDC recommended. In that interval, a spare J&J dose became available and I had to turn it down. Once I was officially eligible, they were into the J&J pause so I got the Moderna vaccine instead.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I had pretty much no reaction to either shingles shot. It worries me a little. Maybe they didn’t “take.”
Matt McIrvin
@Starboard Tack: One of the reasons my doctor approved of my getting the shingles shots before COVID vaccination was that she’d read those stories about a small number of people developing shingles after COVID vaccination. But there isn’t any correlation strong enough to infer causation.
Starboard Tack
@Starboard Tack: I had nothing more than a somewhat sore arm from either Shingrix. I’ll count that lucky.
The Moar You Know
The second shingrix shot gave me the worst reaction to any shot I’ve ever had. Felt scary sick for about six hours and like crap for about three days. But trust me; beats the shit out of an attack of shingles.
Susan D. Einbinder
The 1st shingles shot was awful and the 2nd was worse – I encourage you to have them give you the shot in the opposite arm of the 1st, which I regrettably did not do, but have been told that might make the 2nd one less painful….
Eric S.
I got a full cocktail of shots at the beginning of the month: flu, shingles, and tetanus. Maybe 8 hours after I started to get body aches. Lasted a good day and a half. I was warned the shingles shot gives body aches. No way to know if it was just that or the combo.
RSA
By coincidence, I got a flu shot and a shingles shot late Friday afternoon. Aching shoulders and a headache the next day, but nothing ibuprofen couldn’t fix, and I was back to normal 24 hours later. These shots affect people so differently!
WaterGirl
@Tim in SF: Was that Shingrix #1 or #2?
WaterGirl
@sab: Shingrix shot #1 or shot #2?
WaterGirl
@JPL: Yes! I would get the covid vaccine booster and save the flu shot for a month later.
RandomMonster
I got the double flu/shingles in one arm. The shingles shot felt like hot piss going into my arm, and I definitely felt the sore arm on day 2. But no crummy feelings otherwise, except that my eyes watered heavily for a day. Don’t know if that was related (could have been allergies), and don’t care. As you say, shingles sucks and I don’t want it.
WaterGirl
@Susan D. Einbinder: I have only had shingrix #1 and it definitely hurt when the needle went in, but by the time I got to the car the pain from that had gone away.
They told me to drink 4 cups of water ONE hour before my appointment.
I did what I was told, and added a bonus cup or so, and my reaction was mild.
Shingrix #2 is supposed to be a beast.
I am definitely drinking the water again.
Jeffro
OT but Geminid, I saw your camping tip in the earlier thread, thank you! We learned a lot this trip and will be getting ever-more adventurous in future trips (w/ the Scouts or just with family) =)
Hoodie
Shingrix 2nd shot packs a wallop. Never had a reaction to flu vaccine.
lowtechcyclist
@dexwood:
I had the same, maybe a little milder, after my shingles shots.
No question. I had shingles before I thought to get the shots. It hit the trigeminal nerve under the left side of my face, and it hurt way worse than anything else I’ve experienced. Broken bones, ruptured Achilles tendon, all walks in the park compared to that.
WaterGirl
I am making a new kind of pizza for the first time.
Apparently it’s not a great idea to use a different size pan, a special pizza flour when the King Arthur receipt called for regular flour, and to not cook it at the temperature they said because none of my pans can safely go to 500 degrees.
I did at least use metal pans, so I got that right. But I didn’t have a 9 x 13 metal, so I made it in two smaller pans.
MomSense
My flu shot is next weekend. Last year the flu shot made me really tired. I slept quite a bit that day.
Jean
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Me either. I never had a twinge of anything except the kind of soreness in arm that happens with any shot for me. After a long while, I started hearing people complain about reactions and wondered whether the vaccine “took” in my case. I can’t remember ever having a dramatic reaction to any shot.
alhutch
I had Shingrix #1 & flu shot at the same time in November 2020 and don’t recommend doubling them up. That laid me out for an entire day feeling pretty spent. Shingrix #2 was not as bad, but still felt run down for a day or so.
Pfizer #1 and #2 were nothing in comparison. Felt a little sleepy after each (took 1 hour nap) and then fine after. That Shingrix is no joke though, had no idea what was coming.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Maybe you’re just a superwoman.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Steeplejack (phone): Me and Jean!
Jean
@WaterGirl: I got the flu shot yesterday and scheduled my booster for October 4th. I didn’t realize how easy it was going to be to get the booster or I might have reversed the order. Still, the pharmacy tech said it was okay to get them together at the same appointment. That I didn’t do. It’s hard to know what to do–so many conflicting opinions.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@WaterGirl:
Looks yummy!
sab
@WaterGirl: He can’t remember. Shingrix but not which one. Also too, he got it at same time as flu shot.
My shingrix #1 made my arm quite sore for about three days, and me very tired. Slightly worse than either moderna.
arrieve
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I’ve wondered the same thing — neither Shingrix shot gave me anything worse than a mildly sore arm. I’ve never had a noticeable reaction to a flu shot either. This year is the first time I get the extra-strength old lady shot so maybe that will change.
The first Moderna shot is the only one that really knocked me out and I was just deathly tired, not sick. It makes me wonder if my immune system is incredibly lazy.
JPL
@Jean: Two different doctors on CNN said to space them apart. I think that is because some people have had reactions to one or the other
You can tell I’m old enough for the booster because I repeat the same thing twice.
Jean
@arrieve: I’ve had no reaction to the extra-strength flu shot either. Just soreness at the injection site. Maybe none of my vaccinations worked!
Suzanne
I don’t qualify for the shingles shot yet. Gotta get my flu shot soon.
This weekend, I have been tracking other stuff. The two dogs seemed to be scratching themselves a bunch, so we looked, and yep, fleas. I had never thought to give them flea treatments before, since fleas aren’t really a thing in AZ. So. Doggie baths, Frontline, lots of laundry. Spawn the Youngest seems to have gotten some bites, too, or an allergic reaction to them, so baths and hydrocortisone for the little human. I don’t know where they came from, but they are grossing me out.
Aunt Kathy
I got my 2nd shingles and a tetanus booster at the same time. Didn’t have much of a reaction to either shingles, but the tetanus arm hurt for a solid 2 weeks.
JPL
ot Liz Cheney on 60 Minutes said she was wrong about same sex marriage, and is now close to her sister. Although she is a strong believer in democracy, she is still far right. Did you know waterboarding is not torture? If you didn’t she’ll educate you.
Still glad that she’s on the committee though
Jacqueline Squid Onassis
Both shots 1 & 2 of shingrix, in addition to hurting near tetanus shot level, killed me the next day. Just totally run down plus an awful headache. So I knew to get the 2nd one on a Friday afternoon. But, yes, infinitely better than having shingles.
eclare
After my second Moderna shot, I mainly slept for two days. Since I have insomnia, that was a pleasant side effect.
Never had a shingles vax as I have never had chicken pox. I did get the chicken pox vaccine as soon as it was approved.
Suzanne
I have never had a reaction that I can remember to the flu shot, other than very mild soreness at the injection site. Heck, I usually get it on my lunch break and then go back to work. As for the Covid shots, I got Moderna. After the first one, I felt kind of tired and my arm was pretty sore, but nothing worse than a hard day at the gym. The second one had me feeling low-grade crappy, fever about 101, for about 36 hours. Just hung out on the couch in my PJs. Trying to get a booster for SuzMom, but she also got Moderna, and she called today and they won’t giver her a booster yet.
WaterGirl
@WaterGirl: In case anyone is interested, in spite of all my changes, I would rate this new pizza very good.
The pizza flour makes a great crispy crust that is also chewy. I describe that as bread fighting you when you take a bit. I would make this again!
Steeplejack (phone)
@WaterGirl:
LOL, this kills me, because it’s similar to half the one-star reviews on every cooking site. “This recipe sucks! I didn’t have chicken breasts, so I substituted beef jerky, and then . . .”
Your results look okay, though. How did it taste?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Jacqueline Squid Onassis: The only vaccination that hurt while I was getting it was Yellow Fever. That one felt like a bee sting.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@WaterGirl: It looks good. I was craving pizza tonight but we went with roast beef sandwiches.
JPL
DIL got the Moderna and felt a tad tired, but that is it. She is so happy because grand imp two received some of the antibodies.
Mathguy
My wife also did the shingles flu double and had a bad couple of days. Her shingles reaction was like my COVID vaccine reaction.
MagdaInBlack
@WaterGirl: I was gonna ask: Bottom line: how do you like it? That’s all that matters ?
Suzanne
@Steeplejack (phone):
“I don’t like tomatoes, so I used cauliflower instead. And I ran out of water, so I substituted gasoline. My marinara sauce came out gloppy and didn’t look anything like the picture. This recipe is terrible.”
Blue Galangal
My sympathies – just got the shingles vaccine for the first time too and my arm was sore, like a big ball of sore, for about 3 days. I couldn’t sleep on that side. But shingles sucks so I give it a 7/10, would do again.
Jackie
I got my Covid booster yesterday. Sore arm last night, but fine today. No other side effects.
First Pfizer vaccination I had a very sore arm for about 4 days – like someone knuckle punched me. Plus low grade headache for a day and was pretty lethargic for two days. Second shot; just the knuckle punch sore arm, with no other side effects. So, for me, each shot had less effects than the prior.
Mary G
I had shingles at 45 and luckily they showed up on the day I had a Remicade infusion with the first rheumatologist I saw in OC. They ran across my chest above my boobs onto my shoulder. He got hysterical when he saw them because “my children!!!%#&%” and ordered me outside immediately. After a while a nurse brought me out a fistful of prescriptions for anti-virals, the highest dose painkillers I’ve ever gotten even after surgeries, anti-inflammatories, and a bunch of antibiotics. I filled them on my way home and spent four days in a fog. The shingles didn’t get bigger or hurt much at all. Turned out he was an anti-vaxxer. I looked for a new rheumatologist who I love to bits.
I still need to get the Shingrix shots though.
jonas
My wife got shingles about 10 years ago. Not something you would wish on your worst enemy. Get the fucking vaccine. A day or two of feeling shitty is nothing compared to a full-on case of shingles.
Doc Sardonic
Pizza looks good. Don’t know why but it makes me want a Chicago Italian beef sandwich. We had a local joint that made a really good one. Unfortunately, the owner passed away and the place closed, Anybodyhave a good recipe for it?
Also, thanks for the warnings about the Shingrix shots, have to check with my doctor about it but if I can take it, done deal. My late mother had shingles 3 times, my dad had them once, got diagnosed with them the day before he passed.
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: If looks count, certainly worth a try. Recipes are pretty much just concepts anyway.
prostratedragon
@Suzanne: Of course, it does pay to grasp the concept first.
FlyingToaster
I’ve learned to get one shot at a time so that I can figure out what’s fucking me up. I always get injection site pain, but some (like MMR and Td) are systemically awful. Getting it on Friday afternoon and telling the rest of ChezToaster to take care of themselves for the weekend is the usual choice.
I had this year’s flu shot on Thursday; my arm was sore as fuck through Friday night, but I was able to bake two batches of bread Saturday (and the last batch is in progress right now.
Moderna 2 was worse than Moderna 1 (arm pain and severe fatigue). I’m due both Td and shingles this year, but I’ll get 1 at my physical next month and the other at the CVS-in-Target a month later. If the shingles requires 2, that’s the one I’ll get from CVS.
James E Powell
I got my Pfizer booster and a flu shot yesterday at 4PM PDT. Woke up feeling like I had been about the body with sand bags, chills, muscle aches. Both arms very sore.
I had zero reaction to the first two Pfizer shots last Spring, so I’m thinking this is a reaction to the flu shot or the combination.
Pharmacist told me to wait a couple weeks before returning for the shingles shot.
TKH
Had post-immunization pain for the first time ever after a pneumococcus/ flu double header. Sore arms and a splitting headache. But from what I read here I have nothing to write home about.
Doc was much more interested in me having the pneumococcus shot than the shingles one. Idly wondering what’s up with that.
debbie
I have an appointment next Saturday for Pfizer. As long as I am able to work from home, I’ll skip the flu shot and continue to put off the vaccine for shingles.
WaterGirl
@Steeplejack (phone): @MagdaInBlack:
I would give it two thumbs up! In spite of my reckless disregard for instructions, it turned out very well.
debbie
@TKH:
Pneumonia is more serious than shingles.
WaterGirl
@FlyingToaster: They told me that shingrix #2 is 2-4 months after shingrix#1.
WaterGirl
@TKH: Not sure what that’s about, but a friend told me yesterday that he knows 2 different people who got pneumonia last week (they didn’t have covid) so maybe it’s a bad year for pneumonia.
Wanting to wait a month between shots,I got Shingrix #1 on 8/30, I figure I’ll go for the pneumonia shot on 9/30 and then moderna booster if it’s available by 10/30, and then the flu. If no moderna booster yet, then flu in oct and moderna as soon as it’s available.
Gotta plan ahead!
Auntie Beak
Honestly it was the second shingrix shot that felled me. But seriously, talk to someone who had shingles. I would go through the shot’s side-effects YEARLY to avoid that torment.
mrmoshpotato
@WaterGirl:
But how were the pizzas?
Still edible?
geg6
Thankfully, I don’t need a shingles vax because I have never had chicken pox. I don’t know how that happened because, with five siblings who all had them, it’s a small miracle. Of course, I still have to worry about getting chicken pox. But it’s pretty easy for me to avoid anyone infected since I really don’t interact with children because I don’t much like them. ??
Suzanne
Dude, I love vaccines. I get every one I can. If I could get vaccinated against sweating, I totally would.
NeenerNeener
I got a booster shot of Moderna last month because of the reports that people on immunosuppressors don’t develop as many antibodies from the vaccines. 3rd shot reactions same as the 2nd shot…feeling crappy for 36 to 40 hours, then all better. This morning I saw the link to a report in the daily COVID roundup that says the particular drug I’m on doesn’t affect COVID antibody production at all. I guess I’m as well-protected as I’m ever going to be this week from all the delivery and maintenance people coming and going in my house.
Brooklyn Dodger
@Eric S.: Me too, just wanted to get all three done and Tetanus was due soon anyway. Nurse recommended using my arms so they wouldn’t get sore. Haha my arms felt great but the shots put me mostly in bed for the day. Would do it again though.
dmsilev
Flu shot yesterday, just some soreness at the needle spot. Currently trying to decide when to schedule my COVID booster. As an academic, I technically qualify now (at least in California), but compared to say a nurse, my job-related risk level is very low so it doesn’t feel anywhere near as urgent as the first two shots did back in the spring. I’m currently thinking mid/late October, just so hopefully there’s some clarity on the guidance. Definitely want the booster before contemplating Thanksgiving travel, so that’s an incentive not to procrastinate too much.
WaterGirl
@mrmoshpotato: Really good! I will definitely keep using the pizza flour. I got it because King Arthur flour recommended it for their “neapolitan pizza” but then I never made it.
A friend of mine has been making pizza on the grill, which is what made me think of the special flour.
sab
@Suzanne: My dog had fleas, but also allergies which coincide with fleas season.
The Frontline kills the fleas off slowly, so you will see lots more of them for about a week, as they stagger around on their last little legs. Normally they hop around so fast that you don’t notice them until the dog is overrun.
skerry
My daughter has had shingles twice. First at 6 years old, second at 23. Even given her history, insurance will not cover the cost of the shingles vaccine. She is old enough that she had chicken pox as a baby (15 months old) instead of that vaccination.
I had little reaction to my first shingles vaccine, but the second one knocked me out for a couple of days.
Auntie Beak
@Suzanne:
Funny. My dad’s mother always used to accuse my mom of messing up her recipe for lasagna on purpose. But she used cottage cheese vs. ricotta, and some crappy store-bought tomato sauce. Seems self-evident that she was just looking for an excuse to dis my mom, or, she didn’t see the point in following a recipe. Either way, she was not a nice person…
Suzanne
@dmsilev: You mention the feeling of urgency back in the spring. I was musing on that today, how we were all pissed about people cheating and trying to get their shot as early as possible. If we had known then that people being really eager to get the vaccine was great, would the condemnation/outrage have been as severe?
Scout211
@WaterGirl:
I had the Shingrix #2 and took your advice about drinking 32 oz of water, but I broke it up and had 16 oz before and 16 oz immediately after. All the medical sites I read said drink “plenty” of water “before and after” the shot and that sounded much more doable to me. I also started taking Tylenol every 6 hours starting in the evening after the shot. I still had a reaction starting in the middle of the night, but it was much less intense than after Shingrix #1. I think starting the Tylenol before the reaction even started seemed to help a lot.
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: If you see any more on the pets, and even if you don’t, get something called Cap*Star from the vet. It’s a little white pill that kills all live fleas within an hour or something like that. Maybe 4 hours? But very fast. Then you can deal with the flea life cycle, but at least all the live fleas are out of the picture ASAP.
Give them the Cap*Star as soon as you see a single live flea.
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: Thanks for the recommendation. I will call the vet tomorrow. Do I have to do anything else besides washing their doggie beds and blankets?
WaterGirl
@skerry: Assholes.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
Recipe in the dog-eared and yellowing The Joy of Cooking sitting on the bookshelf makes a fine pizza crust.
Ruckus
I’m opposite a lot of folks here. The shingles shots didn’t bother me in the least and the first Pfizer was the same. The second Pfizer, now that was a bit different. Two days I was in a fog, felt like nothing was ever going to be OK, ever again. Woke up the third day, everything was great. I’ll likely get my booster on Friday.
dmsilev
@Suzanne: It sure is weird how things turned out. In retrospect, the signs were there even back in the spring. Remember all the stories of city folks driving out into the countryside to take advantage of easier-to-get vaccine slots?
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: Vacuum every single fucking day for 30 days. I had a problem over a decade ago, and you have to be vigilant.
Even hardwood floors need to be vacuumed.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: The print is too small for me to be able to read it from here.
JML
Co-worker got shingles around the start of the pandemic. He’s still got scars on his head from it, and it really hammered him hard. As soon as I’m eligible for that shot I’ll be lining up, and I hate needles with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns. Need to go get my flu shot still; they didn’t do walk-ins in the last clinic they did on campus, because of COVID.
Soprano2
The shingles vaccine kicked my ass, especially the 2nd shot, but shingles is so bad it’s worth it.
mrmoshpotato
@Doc Sardonic:
There is no why. There is only beef.
Suzanne
@dmsilev: I was one of those folks. I drove my mom to this shitty dying industrial town in the next county over to get her shots. Seriously, it looked like a Bruce Springsteen song in real life. It didn’t dawn on me that many residents of places like that would pass it up.
Mike E
1st shingrix is now my benchmark for shot reactions, it hurt down my arm and up my neck into my face. 2nd one was painless. When I got the Pfizer series, I thought well, if it’s not half as bad as 1st shingrix then I can deal… 1st Pfizer was achy the next day but I went to work anyway; 2nd Pfizer kicked my ass for a whole weekend and I nearly took off the 3rd day (again, I went to work and gutted it out). Tetanus booster was my typical flu shot reaction, just a sore arm that some Tylenol took care of.
Doc Sardonic
@Suzanne: Vacuum and throw away the bag, also if you have carpet there is an area spray called Knockout that wrecks havoc on fleas, but given you have a small human not sure about using it. You have to coat the carpet and close the area to pet and human traffic until it dries.
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: Fuuuuuuck. For real?!
I have a toddler. I consider myself on the ball if I feed them three times.
raven
I got the booster yesterday and felt puny and slept a lot today.
Eric S.
@Brooklyn Dodger: If I had to go into the office I would have taken a day off. However, a laptop on the arm of the La-Z-Boy and a warm cat on my lap made my Friday workday bearable.
satby
@Suzanne: Capstar is also available OTC. Any PetsMart will have it. Or order it off of Chewy tonight to get it tomorrow. It’s cheap and they can be taken more than once. And VACUUM everywhere.
This is the best site for flea control (all pest control really), and this is what I used to break the lifecycle when the tiny feral kitten came LOADED with fleas.
Edit: I vacuumed where the kitten had been in isolation after I sprayed with the stuff above, and then a couple days later, and then as I usually do. Not every day for 30 days, you won’t need to with a growth inhibitor /kill spray. Second edit: the kitten itself was still to young to get treated beyond a flea bath, so Capstar and the flea spray above. Raid and stuff like that doesn’t work, the bugs have developed immunity to it.
White & Gold Purgatorian
My stepmom-in-law had shingles a few years ago. I don’t know if it was just an unusually stubborn case or if her doctor was subpar, but it took over a year for the rash and pain to subside. She was miserable and I really don’t know how she stood it for so long. My mom, who has the highest pain threshold ever, says shingles was the worst pain she has ever experienced and they got hers cleared up in about 2 weeks.
So yeah, the shingles vaccine will kick your ass for a couple of days, but it is so much better than the prolonged nerve pain of actual shingles. Glad to see so many jackals have had or are getting the vax.
Ohio Mom
I usually don’t mind getting shots — it’s blood draws I don’t like.
I did my flu shot last week and while my arm was sore for a couple of days, I don’t count that as a bother. Last spring, I felt a little fatigued after the first Covid shot but nothing that got in the way of things. I don’t remember any reaction to the second shot.
But all of your stories about the shingles vaccine are not encouraging! Oh well. I’ll make sure to schedule it when I have a few days clear.
dnfree
@The Moar You Know: exactly the same for me. After the second shingles shot I was in bed for three days with flu symptoms. I hadn’t heard anything about reactions like that and wish I had been warned it was a possibility.
mndean
Suzanne
@satby: Thanks for the tip, I will send Mr. Suzanne to Petsmart tomorrow.
I trust these damn things die in the winter, yes?
Starboard Tack
@Suzanne: I don’t love vaccines but I hate getting sick on top of my disabilities. I have a gold star on my record at the pharmacy where I get most of them. I get every one that’s recommended.
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: Sadly yes, for real. It’s a life-cycle-of-fleas thing.
I totally feel you. It was a pain in the ass, but that’s how I finally got rid of them. If you cheat on the vacuuming, they can slip through and then you have a whole new set of hatching fleas.
Vacuuming plus the Car*Star was what saved me.
I am allergic to a lot of anti-flea products so chemicals were not an option. But I can’t imagine they would be safe with the baby anyway.
Can you split the vacuuming between all humans over the age of 10?
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: ooh, I did not know that Cap*Star is available over the counter now. That’s great.
satby
@Suzanne: no, not inside, and the eggs can like dormant for years like mosquito eggs.. Read the links, and follow the instructions on the DIY pest site. It’s eradicable, but it takes a two prong approach: pet treatment and house treatment.
And in spite of my allergies, I’m a big believer in better living through chemistry.
I am kind of surprised that you didn’t have to treat for fleas in Arizona. Bubonic plague is rare, but it still occurs in the Southwest, and is transmitted by fleas.
eclare
@geg6: You know there is a chicken pox vaccine? I got it in the 90’s when it came out. It’s two shots, please look into it.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
(shuffles across room, retrieves book, shuffles back)
4 cups sifted flour (I double sift, but that’s optional)
2½ tsp. yeast dissolved in ¼ cups room lukewarm water
2 tbl. oil
1 tsp. salt
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Mix all and knead for 10 minutes. Cover with damp cloth and let rise in a warm location about 2 hours.
Have pizza pans at the ready, then pat and stretch dough to fit pans, pinching a collar around the edges to keep toppings from escaping. Prick each crust in about 6 places.
Heat oven to 400 degrees. Spread each crust with sauce, toppings as preferred and let the whole thing rest for about 10 minutes.
Bake for around 25 minutes (ovens vary, so check after 20) until properly golden brown. Also, as ovens can vary as to hotspots, optionally give the pans a 180 degree spin halfway trhrough.
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(shuffles again across room, replaces book, returns to desk)
Suzanne
@satby: I am really not happy with the idea of pesticides on interior surfaces. Ughhhhhh.
I don’t know where these came from. We haven’t taken our dogs anywhere in recent weeks.
satby
Fun with maps: Bubonic plague in the USA
Ohio Mom
@skerry:
It’s both a drag and infuriating that your daughter’s health insurance won’t pay for a pair of shingles vaccines — after goggling, I see a shot is about $300.
But when my car needs $300 worth of work, I sigh and pull out the credit card. And don’t get me started on what I pay the dentist!
If I were you, I’d consider having Daughter run it by her primary care doctor, and then if he/she says Good Idea, self-pay.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: I will have to try that, thank you!
NotMax
@NotMax
Typo! Typo!
2½ tsp. yeast dissolved in 1¼ cups room lukewarm water
Suzanne
@satby: Plague happens in northern AZ mostly, along with hantavirus. Southern AZ has ticks. I had one dog who we struggled with ticks on her like nothing else, but none of my other dogs have had issues. Scorpions, however, were far too frequent.
dmsilev
@NotMax: Whew! I was just going to ask; seemed like a tiny amount of water compared to the flour.
satby
@Suzanne: your yard, probably. Fleas can be anywhere. The main active ingredient in the spray I used was pyrithins, derived from chrysanthemums and nicotinoids. You don’t want the kid sucking on anything it was sprayed on, but it’s pretty safe when dry, and you need it for floors and carpets.
Or you can wash everything and vacuum constantly for weeks (6, not 4 is the full life cycle). That will eventually get rid of them too. I had 6 animals plus three foster foundlings, so nope. No way was that going to have a chance to embed in my house. Sprays rock.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: corrected and saved. :-)
sab
@NotMax: I’ve been using that Joy of Cooking recipe for about 5 years now, and we will probably never buy a pizza again.
ETA There’s only the two of us, so I make up the full dough recipe, bake 1/2 or 1/3 of it in a pizza the first day and save the rest in the fridge. It’s good for at least a week.
WaterGirl
@satby: @Suzanne:
I got pneumonia 3 times in my twenties before we figured out that I was allergic to pyrethrins. They are nothing to mess with.
I promise that I was neither snorting the flea stuff or licking surfaces. :-)
NotMax
@dmsilev
Hand-eye coordination not what it was.
:)
Suzanne
Ughhhhh.
I have been feeling really overwhelmed with domestic chores this year, between the extra cooking during the pandemic (everyone home all the time, very little eating out) and the kids and the pets. All three of the pets are getting old and grumpy and needy simultaneously. This is not improving my outlook.
satby
@WaterGirl: sweetie, that doesn’t mean everyone is allergic or will have problems. Using the normal precautions for any kind of bug spray should be fine.
Back before they had developed this kind of stuff we moved into a house that has been vacant a year in Chicago. We gradually became aware of the flea infestation (no carpets in the place at all, hardwood floors only), but when I saw a huge flea crawl down my baby’s face in the kitchen, I grabbed both kids and told my husband over my shoulder as I ran for the car to bug bomb the entire place. I went to my parent’s house. We ended up having to do it twice.And it was DDT then.
Edit: The baby is a perfectly healthy 35 year old now.
sab
@satby: I am in Ohio with 6 indoor cats and 2 dogs who go for walks. If we use Frontline on all the pets throughout unfrozen weather, and we vaccuum a lot and wash all their bedding at the first outbreak we manage to keep the fleas at bay.
Vacuuming the chairs is as important as vacuuming the floor.
We don’t have indoor carpeting. That probably helps.
I am really wary of indoor use of pesticides.
Ruckus
@White & Gold Purgatorian:
If you aren’t vaccinated for shingles you have to get the meds they give you as soon as possible after the rash shows up. My rash showed up on a Saturday and I got to the doc on Monday. She told me that is normally too late, no more than one day is best. Doc said that otherwise it takes far longer to clear up. Side of my face and down my neck. Good times. It took about a week to be completely gone.
satby
Ok fine. Never mind.
Fuck it, try essential oils.
NotMax
@satby
Found his picture?
:)
@sab
Speaking of vacuuming, a sentence one doesn’t come across as a matter of course:
Suzanne
@sab: We have indoor carpet. We have booked replacement with hardwood, but like many things, our install is delayed due to supply chain problems.
I have had allergic reactions to multiple things like cleaning chemicals, but I don’t know if I react to pesticides. Mr. Suzanne has asthma, though, and he can’t even handle scented candles. So I am not inclined toward using any bug sprays indoors. In AZ, we got treatments with food-grade diatomaceous earth for the scorpion control.
sab
@NotMax: I thought everyone knew not to do that.
Jim Appleton
Not been through comments, but here’s my take.
The second shingles vacc hurt for a couple of days more than any other shot, including both Covid Modernas which had mild but notable side effects. But nothing compared to having shingles.
Ohio Mom
I’ve never had pets but I did have a house guest once who brought along her cat — and soon after they left, my little apartment was full of fleas.
I was a poor graduate student at the time and the exterminator I hired was a expense but my, what a miracle he wrought.
I admit I was a little freaked out at first, going back into my apartment that was full of flea poison. I don’t remember what I did to make myself feel more comfortable — maybe opened all the windows? I adapted pretty quickly once I started enjoying the lack of fleas jumping on me.
Maybe Suzanne can schedule the flea bombing on a Friday and spend the weekend away?
Ruckus
@sab:
I don’t even have one and I knew that.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Suzanne:
Inorite. Over and over.
Ruckus
@Jim Appleton:
This. The shots for shingles or Covid had NOTHING on the actual shingles. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. I once got hit by a truck, and I wasn’t in vehicle. Shingles hurt worse.
Jim Appleton
@Ruckus: Was the truck OK?
//
Starboard Tack
@Suzanne: I knew a guy who worked for Colorado tracking the level of plague in prairie dogs.
trollhattan
My sympathies, Cole.
I’m-a get the flu vax tomorrow (“it’s quadvalent!”) and had gen #1 of the shingles vax. That motherfucker felt like battery acid, only a delayed response so it hit after I got to the car. Ironically, do not know whether I ever had chicken pox.
Matt McIrvin
@WaterGirl: With Shingrix they told me 2-6 months. I actually got the second shot right at the very end of that six-month window because I had so much other medical stuff going on in the meantime.
Skepticat
Probably too late in the day to help, but I had a strong reaction to the second of the two-dose shingles shots. What helped a great deal were ice and massage. (And I went out and sailed a national championship regatta the next morning. My skipper also had the shot, but he just suffered and didn’t ice, so we blamed our less-than-spectacular finish on his considerable pain.) But no, it’s nowhere as bad as shingles, but I hope you feel better soon, JC. My arm’s still a bit sore from a Friday flu shot, which surprised me, but I’m not complaining.
andy
Never had a reaction to anything, even the smallpox vaccine, what… fifty five years ago?
Ruckus
@Jim Appleton:
I may have scratched the bumper. //
I did after all attack it with my head.
Mart
First shingles shot was the worst muscle pain ever. Weirdly the muscles started contracting and aching a couple three inches below the shot site. Couple months for dose 2. Of course will go as a couple days of unique pressing left arm pain beats the hell out of shingles.
glc
@Auntie Beak:
Yeh.
Luigidaman
Shingles DO suck! I had them two years ago.
Also, I got the Covid Booster shot on Saturday and have a full-on old man head cold. It’s better than the full-on flu I got from the 2nd shot. IK still would do it all over again.
paul w, chicago
@Tim in SF:
yep, it’s the shingles, knocked me out for 10 hours just like the shot giver said it would.
Nellie
Make a calendar reminder to get the second Shingrex shot in two months. The pharmacy never called me, I had to call them for the second appointment. Be a shame to go through all that misery for nothing.