The Post’s headline is Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine wins full FDA approval, potentially persuading the hesitant to get a shot.
Perhaps, a few, who are actually hesitant. All the hardened anti-vaxxers who are winning Herman Cain Awards, like recent awardee Phil Valentine, will either ask for it too late (when they’re gasping in an ICU bed) or stubbornly refuse, like some of the yokels who were interviewed by the NYT for this video in an Arkansas hospital.
Elizabelle
Yea!
Thinking this morning that, regrettably, beanie boy Cardinal Raymond Burke seems to still be with us. A Covid-denier taking up an ICU bed that would better serve another person. But, as with the late Mr. Valentine, one must be patient.
Of the two, it seems Phil Valentine was the better person.
Dennis
Yah, for most of the refusers, I suspect “it’s not fully approved!” was just a hat to hang their hat on and they’ll move to another excuse now.
Roger Moore
It’s not just that it will persuade some persuadable people to get their shot. It will also give some extra courage to businesses considering requiring all their employees to get vaccinated, and that kind of requirement is likely to be a big factor in getting more shots in arms. A lot of unvaccinated people haven’t refused because they’re completely unwilling but because they haven’t had a strong enough motivation yet. Losing their job is likely to be a strong motivating factor.
eclare
As I reported downstairs, the University of Memphis said once it’s approved, it will be mandated. Undergrad is about 17k students, don’t know about grad or faculty. I’ll take it.
matt
I have a theory about the vaccine resistance: They’re just self-indulgent shits who don’t like getting stuck with needles and they don’t care how good the reasons are for doing it.
dmsilev
Hesitancy is one thing. More importantly, a lot of businesses have been told by their legal departments that a vaccine mandate needs at least one vaccine with non-emergency approval. Now, that trigger has been pulled.
Yutsano
Come on Moderna and Johnson & Johnson! The mandates will have more sticking power if all of them win full approval.
Hoodie
@matt: They’ll get stuck with plenty of needles in the ICU.
MattF
I think approval+mandates+firings+no insurance for hospitalization will make a difference.
lowtechcyclist
@Dennis:
My very right-wing BIL said he’d *consider* getting vaxxed once it was fully approved. We’ll see how far that goes.
At least my 79 year old FIL finally got his first shot, week before last.
rikyrah
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now, it’s time for more sticks from employers and the government.
No Airplane
No Amtrak
No Greyhound
without proof of FULL vaccination.
guachi
@lowtechcyclist
I suspect the new complaint was that Pfizer was approved too quickly. There is always a backup excuse.
Elizabelle
@Hoodie: Not to mention being sedated so a nurse can stuff a tube down their throat.
Grow up, resisters. Out of patience for these fools.
dmsilev
Now, on to the next step: approval for the 5-11 year old block. The FDA has been very, perhaps excessively, cautious, requiring bigger trial populations and longer observation times. We need this soon, really needed it a month ago, but as soon as possible.
dmsilev
@Yutsano: Not sure that makes much difference. I know my employer’s stance was “once even a single vaccine is approved, the mandate flips on”, and from what I’ve read, that’s a pretty common stance.
Elizabelle
@rikyrah: Yes. And proof tied to a vaccinations database.
No just handing over a card that anyone could have forged. (We had stacks and stacks of the blank CDC cards sitting around our mass clinic. I wondered about that. No one would have missed a few inches gone missing.)
I hope the cruiselines and airlines are checking the databases, just as they collect passport numbers days before embarkation.
Benw
@dmsilev: yes!
I hope it helps K-12 school districts decide to mandate vaccinations for 12+ that Pfizer is the one at was emergency approved for 12+ so all 12-16 yos already have that one.
New Deal democrat
I expect the Federal, (blue) State, and local (blue) school district mandates, as well as employer mandates, to come fast and furious now.
Roger Moore
@matt:
I don’t think vaccine resistance is a monolith. Yes, I’m sure there are some people who are afraid of needles and are using excuses to avoid getting their shot. There are also:
And then you have a lot of “vaccine reluctant” people who can probably be convinced but haven’t hit their threshold yet. I would bet many people in this category have either had COVID or believe they’ve had COVID and think their natural immunity is as good as a vaccination.
SiubhanDuinne
@matt:
I’m a self-indulgent shit who is legit terrified of needles, and I’ve been fully vaccinated since May. And I’ll get the booster in January.
Benw
@rikyrah: and NO purchase of alcohol without FULL VAX.
kindness
Will this persuade anyone who wasn’t getting this vaccine because it was still classified as experimental?
With all due respect, anyone who went there is already deep down the rabbit hole that the changing of the status of this is another Deep State conspiracy theory created to get at their precious bodily fluids.
Roger Moore
@guachi:
Yep. Or the minor variation, that you can’t trust the approval because it was the result of political pressure from the Biden Administration.
eclare
@kindness: Losing your job or education would be persuasive to me….seems like it would be to some of the shitheads
Bobby Thomson
@Roger Moore: Awful lot of overlap in 2-4, and 1 sounds like bullshit. Vaccine reactions are better than COVID reactions, and either they can get vaccines or they can’t.
Steeplejack (phone)
Cuomo really running out the string.
Nicole
@Elizabelle:
Did you see the article about the couple (Florida, natch) that got busted on a vacation to Hawaii for having fake cards? What got them caught was that they also showed fake cards for their two kids… who were too young to be vaccinated. Dumb clucks were apparently unaware kids aren’t eligible yet. The screener, fortunately, was not at all a dumb cluck.
Here: NY Post link (bleah), but the first link that came up in results for me. Article seems unbiased, though.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/florida-couple-busted-for-using-fake-vax-cards-to-fly-to-hawaii/
dr. bloor
@dmsilev:
Please cite your evidence and show your work.
Everyone wants a vaccine for the little ones, but kids are not little adults.
Hildebrand
@rikyrah: Wanted to share this from a Saturday night thread – you had asked about my congregation.
“We have taken a bit of a two-prong approach.
One of the elders’ sons is a doctor, he is coming in to talk about the vaccine and also encourage the skeptics to come to his practice to get the shot.
The second is that our community development arm will be hosting two clinics this fall – standard physicals will be the official ‘reason’, but vaccines will also be offered.”
My hope is that full approval will help move some to getting the vaccine.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack (phone):
I never expected him to slink off into the shadows with his tail between his legs.
Uh, so to speak.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Damn, the Pitchbot fortold.
NotMax
@Steeplejack (phone)
Kind of rude and inconsiderate to the push new gov’s swearing in ceremony to midnight.
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
Wait, what?! Andrew Cuomo rude and inconsiderate? Say it ain’t so!
The Moar You Know
@Steeplejack (phone): Gotta say I’d do the same in his position. Not that I’d be in his position, because I’m not the kind of person who forces unwanted physical contact on others. Kinda the opposite, will tend to involuntarily punch people who pull the “I’m a hugger!” power-trip shit. I don’t like being touched without warning.
But I totally get the “you were going to fire me so I did the resignation thing and I’m staying all the way until the last possible second” thing.
rikyrah
@dmsilev:
I pray for this approval everyday.
The sense of relief those parents will feel.
I know how I felt when Peanut was vaccinated. Just being able to make the appointment brought me to tears.
John Cole
Never understood fear of needles.
rikyrah
@Hildebrand:
Glad to hear about it. I get so scared…the pictures of the people younger and younger being taken out.
I just look at them and think ‘ what a waste. Didn’t have to be.’
I know that I suggested that you ask them about if their life insurance and wills were up to date. It wasn’t snark. It’s reality.
dmsilev
@John Cole: Me neither, especially the really small ones used for these shots, but it’s certainly a common thing.
SiubhanDuinne
@John Cole:
I dare say not. Phobias aren’t usually “understandable.” But they are very real, and can be crippling.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Steeplejack (phone):
And what a classy guy!
The Moar You Know
@John Cole: I don’t suffer from it either but damn, I know some people – for some reason, it’s always the big football player types – who will panic attack and pass the fuck out when they get stuck. My wife doesn’t care for them much either but she has the worst luck with people fucking up routine blood draws, etc.
RandomMonster
Businesses now have a license to require employees to be vaccinated. This could be a game-changer.
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@The Moar You Know: big george costanza energy
… behold, the summer of cuomo…
UncleEbeneezer
@rikyrah: Couldn’t agree more. I’m petty. I want these selfish assholes to be stuck in their Real Mericka-n hellholes unable to go to major sporting events, concerts, etc. or visit their friends/family across the country.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@RandomMonster: One of these days, someone will file a law suit against a business without a mandate when their employee infects someone.
WaterGirl
@Benw: Not responsible enough to get the vaccine? Not responsible enough to drink alcohol! :-)
different-church-lady
Yeah, like I’m going to trust the pedophile commies at the FDA…
WaterGirl
@John Cole: Phobias are not logical, by definition. That doesn’t make them not real.
eclare
@Steeplejack (phone): Holy shit!
Almost Retired
@John Cole: I don’t quite understand the fear of modern needles, which are tiny and generally painless. But I’m….of a certain age….and remember the needles of my 1960s childhood vaccinations, which were giant lancets administered by angry Nurse Ratchet types who delighted in making children cry. It’s possible I’m misremembering this. I was a rather dramatic child….
Anonymous At Work
I expect the Secretary of Education to add it as a condition for states receiving funding. I expect Secretary of Energy to add it as part of the “Are you smart enough to get within 100 yards of nuclear bombs or reactors?” tests.
I hope that every single committee of every union and professional guild (AMA, ABA, etc) to add it as a requirement for membership/good standing.
I hope zoos use it for displays of “Are you smarter than a monkey?”.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Jackals have predictive powers.
rikyrah
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
All the while, those muthaphuckas:
Why nobody hasn’t filed a lawsuit against them just aggravates me.
Sue them!!
Yutsano
@Dorothy A. Winsor: *sigh*
They now have their talking point. Denial will continue until death takes them all. I’m tired of it. Let them be shunned.
dr. bloor
@John Cole:
They’re rather less frightening than enemy tanks, that’s for certain.
Another Scott
@Hildebrand: Good, good. Thank you for your efforts. It’s important and you’re saving lives.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@eclare: I predict that he will lose more support from ditching his dog than he did with his harassment of women.
Urza
No purchase of guns seems like an even better plan.
zhena gogolia
@Steeplejack (phone): Oh, what a jerk.
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: It just feels like the icing on the cake.
Baud
@Steeplejack (phone):
If true, the inappropriate thing was asking employees instead of friends to dog sit.
The Thin Black Duke
Cuomo has friends?
different-church-lady
@Baud:
Cuomo has friends?
Soprano2
This is from a local nursing student. The last story is just wow.
Christina shares her experience in the Medical ICU
A nursing student’s hope for more success stories, better education for the public, higher vaccination rates, and decline of misinformation among active COVID cases.
August 9, 2021 by Gabby Lampe
My externship experience has continued to evolve and shape me in many ways. Being in the ICU, as I have said over and over again, is a life-changing experience for me nearly every single shift. I love every heart-wrenching moment on 6A, and despite the emotional toll I feel, I’d not trade one moment for anything else.
An experience that I have both honorably and sadly taken great part in is COVID-19. My unit, Medical ICU, has once again (after last year and the onset of COVID) become the dedicated ICU for COVID + patients in need of critical care.
In one vein, all COVID ICU patients are the same. They report to the ER with dyspnea after classic symptoms usually occurring for 7-10 days before breathing became difficult enough to cause alarm. They are then found to have low oxygen saturation, usually in the 80’s at that point, and are put on a nasal cannula at 2-6 liters, pending their needs to reach at least 90%. They are typically placed on a floor, where their oxygen requirements increase, eventually reaching Airvo which is a high-flow humidified nasal cannula for patients that can breathe spontaneously. This is also the last stop of oxygen assistance that allows patients to eat and drink on their own safely. Once they reach 60 liters of oxygen, their requirements exceed what Airvo can provide, and they are placed on bi-pap. This is a high-flow, pressurized mask that forces air into the lungs of a patient, covering their entire mouth and nose. At first, patients are able to swap out for Airvo for meals and drinks. Eventually, even 1 minute on Airvo alone causes dangerous desaturation, causing them to be bi-pap dependent. At this time, they are usually either given an NG or OG tube to supplement nutrition and IV fluids become continuous. They continue to evolve, and as their bi-pap oxygen needs become maxed out, they are sent to us.
It is at this critical point where; you meet a patient. Whom, while exhausted and hungry for oxygen, are still awake. They are still able to talk to you, however taxed, grasp your hand. Smile at you. Tell you about their spouse, their kids, their grandkids, their dreams, their goals. Their individual, unique, beautiful lives as humans on this journey through space and time with the rest of us. This is where all COVID ICU patients are dichotomously NOT the same. You see each of them as the brilliant unique flame in this universe that they are.
Then, we intubate them.
They have one last phone call. We have to tell them their chances of coming off of the ventilator, ever, are small. We have to tell them this might be the last time they ever speak to their family members and loved ones. We have to tell them it is now or never, they make this decision, or they will not survive, even if their chances of survival after choosing mechanical ventilation are small. We have to tell them that it is greater than certain death without it. I have watched and listened to so many patients saying goodbye to their crying families, unable to say everything they wanted to or needed to, because of the huge force of air being blown into their lungs from the bi-pap machine. I’ve watched their noses turn blue and their fingers turn black as they wave goodbye in tears. As soon as this happens, things move forward quickly.
A sedative, Etomidate, is pushed. The patient becomes somnolent and unconscious, within a few seconds. Rocuronium (or Succinylcholine, pending their medical histories, as they have opposing neuromuscular blocking mechanisms) are then pushed, which paralyzes every muscle in their body. All respiratory drive is lost, and their breathing is 1000% the responsibility of the team intubating them. They are then intubated and in rapid succession I personally place a foley, NG, and 2-3 IVs because of the 8-12 drips they will need while intubated, with varying compatibilities. Eventually, over days, the ventilator becomes maxed out, and their saturations are still falling. Nearly everyone develops an acute kidney injury (AKI) because of the clotting cascade influence of COVID-19, and we then set up CRRT (continuous renal replacement therapy) which is essentially bedside dialysis. I have become very adept at these machines, which is both fortunate and unfortunate. I have come to learn that once this occurs, or becomes necessary, survival is nearly impossible. I visit the morgue 2 or 3 times per shift. I hold the hands of patients while they take their last, horrible, exhausted breaths. I watch nurses and doctors exhaust themselves doing everything humanly possible knowing it is statistically fruitless, but fighting just as hard, just the same.
I have seen one successful extubation. A woman was on the vent for 31 days. She had a white-out CXR and eventually, over time, she was able to have her forced inspiratory oxygen (FiO2) reduced, her pressure to force her alveoli open (PEEP) reduced, to where we could wake her up and trial oxygen requirement reduction. She succeeded, with flying colors, despite several comorbidities (which I should add – this surge, our patients are nearly all between 20 and 50 years old, many with NO comorbidities at all), and was extubated. When orienting her, all of us ready to celebrate, we told her she was in ICU from COVID-19 and had been on the vent x number of days, and was successful enough to have her tube removed, and would likely recover and go home, how rare and beautiful this was for us and most importantly for her. She kept shaking her head no, which perplexed us. Once she could finally say some words, she told us, “Covid isn’t real. You did this to me.”
I was a special sort of sad that day. I hope for more success stories, I hope for better education for the public, I hope for higher vaccination rates, I hope for misinformation to decline with numbers of active cases.
I hope for many things.
Story by: Christina, BSN student
Baud
@The Thin Black Duke:
@different-church-lady:
Irregardless, still inappropriate to ask employees.
Elizabelle
@Baud: In fairness, I wonder if Cuomo asked because the staffers knew the dog and were around it a lot. And the dog knows them.
But the imposing on an employee issue is a consideration. Albeit, Cuomo is the lamest of lame ducks.
I never believe anyone’s hot take on anything without more evidence.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Seconded. Especially when the target is a Dem (even a bad Dem) or someone who no one wants to defend. The compulsion to pile-on for retweets and likes is too great to trust snippets at face value.
trollhattan
“But, I wanted [name of a different vaccine]. Guess I’ll have to wait. Darn.”
The Moar You Know
@Soprano2: Dear God. I’d have quit the practice of medicine that day. Christina is a far better person than I.
M31
soon they’ll be calling it “Biden’s FDA” not “the FDA”
RandomMonster
@Dorothy A. Winsor: The corporation I work for has hinted they will require vaccinations or biweekly testing. There will be a wave of these. No company wants the risk.
trollhattan
@Baud:
I have seen a staffer with Sutter and Colusa Brown recreating on the Capitol lawn in Sacramento. Everybody seemed to be having a fine time.
Doubt anybody ever was tasked with taking either dog home.
In retrospect Jerry 2.0’s image was helped immensely having the corgi around. Years 9-16 seemed to fly by.
Elizabelle
@trollhattan: I loved Sutter Brown. Loved, loved, loved that corgi.
And yes, it softened Jerry Brown a lot.
It’s funny that it’s news to us that Andrew Cuomo has a dog. (Although I don’t follow NYS politics …)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
interesting take, I’ll be curious to see how/if it plays out
“Ask you doctor about Comirnaty”
eclare
@WaterGirl: I’m afraid you may be right. Who will ever forget Mitt’s dog?
Benw
@WaterGirl: @Urza: let’s got for the quadfecta! No doses: no alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives!
SiubhanDuinne
@dr. bloor:
Sorry, not trying to pick a fight, but you are just not getting it. I’m sure I would be scared shitless if I were ever in a situation where enemy tanks were bearing down on me. But I do not suffer from a tanks-bearing-down-on-me phobia. A phobia by definition is an irrational fear. If you suffer from needlephobia, as I do, you will arrange your life to avoid — or greatly minimise — any situation which might result in a shot, vaccination, blood test. I am about the only woman I know who doesn’t have (and never will have) pierced ears. That sounds like a throwaway joke, but the idea of someone sticking a needle through my earlobes puts me in panic attack mode. Yes, right now, this minute, as I type these words.
I’ve been in therapy for this. I’ve been hypnotised. I’m still phobic, although I managed to find a bit of a workaround for taking the two Covid injections.
Not directed specifically at you, or John, but on behalf of my fellow phobics I’d appreciate a little understanding and support. Thanks.
Elizabelle
@M31: I know you are snarking, but who gives a f*ck about any of these responses? (Not just you, a thread full of them.)
They’re all selfish and idiotic. Roll up your sleeves or pack up your things, wingnuts. And stay the f*ck out of our public venues.
bemused senior
@John Cole: I had a friend who was a medical technician in the WACs in WWII. She described new recruits lining up for incoming medical processing, and multiple guys fainting when the techs went down the line administering shots.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
I’ve written here before that I’m one of those people with bad reactions to vaccines. I once spent 9 days in hospital after vaccination. I got my shots 8 months ago. And because of that 9 day stay, I had to wait 30 min after my first shot. I had a rather strong reaction to my second shot. And I’d do it all over again if necessary, because even though there may be a risk, there is a much greater risk from the disease. It’s not even a question, as there is risk in most things we do.
Life is a risk, and it always ends with the same result, it’s only the ending process and the when that can change. And we often can push that result by not acting like we are 3 and are going to hold our breath till we get what we want.
trollhattan
@Elizabelle:
One wonders all the many ways Andrew Cuomo’s dog has failed him, and how that failure was addressed by the governor. “Who’s a good boy!” is a phrase I can’t imagine him saying. “Well, what do you have to say for yourself?” I can.
Elizabelle
@Nicole: Thank you.
The NYPost has a poisonous editorial bent WRT Democrats, but they can absolutely do some good reporting, too. And — no paywall.
Another Scott
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Made me click. That’s really the name?? What a horrible name…
:-/
“…is spelt Raymond Luxury-Yacht, but it’s pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove…”
Cheers,
Scott.
Fair Economist
@The Thin Black Duke:
@different-church-lady:
Great minds think alike!
eclare
@SiubhanDuinne: I understand. My phobia is heights/ledges. I once hyperventilated on a hike, that was the first time. Now when I see certain photos (what is up with all the glass bottom pedestrian bridges?), I can feel my feet not touching the ground. And I will go to any length to avoid an escalator.
Betsy
@matt: I absolutely believe that a significant share of these brash-acting folks are just unwilling to admit they are needle weenies.
With ALL due respect to people who have sincere needle phobia and are working hard to overcome it or have not been able to due to paralyzing fear.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: Oh, I wasn’t being critical of people who will be upset about that. I was suggesting that it was a bonehead move for Cuomo politically!
Betsy
@SiubhanDuinne: Props. I followed your journey through the fear and just glowed for you when you reported your success. Real props.
Sure Lurkalot
@Benw:
In Colorado, best to include the wacky weed/edibles too. That will get some attention.
WaterGirl
@Benw: That works for me.
Ruckus
@John Cole:
I should have a fear of needles, I sure didn’t like them after all the shots I’ve gotten over the decades. But dislike and fear are two different things. I get shots because they save lives and I’d like to extend mine. Others may have different reactions. It isn’t necessarily logical, but then many parts of life aren’t logical. For me it’s blood draws that bother me the most, and yet I do this fairly regularly. Earlier this month I had six small tubes drawn in about 5 minutes. I don’t like it, but I know that it can make my life better and it only hurts for a moment. I have ailments that I live with every day that hurt a lot worse on occasion. And those don’t help me live longer and better. Life is a game of outcomes, risk – reward. I’ve been playing this game of medical risk – reward for 7 decades. My first surgery was at 7 yrs old and they used either to put me out. Fucking either. Medicine has gotten so dramatically better in my life that I’m amazed that anyone lived past 10 in the way back. But they did and now we have the possibility of more people living far longer and far better than we used to. I wonder how many of the vaccine holdouts are those who haven’t had a lot of medical interventions and don’t know/believe the differences between decades ago and now.
trollhattan
My only question: what took you so long?
bluefoot
@SiubhanDuinne: Phobias are real and can be really debilitating. I have a friend with a phobia of flying. He has literally passed out on the jet way AFTER being on anti-anxiety meds in order to fly. He knows it’s not rational, but isn’t able to overcome it. it just *is*.
My brother has a needle phobia. Has had one all his life. He can’t even watch someone else get stuck without having a full blown panic attack. Getting vaccinated (for anything, not just COVID) has been a huge ordeal for him. I admire him for always getting all his shots. And taking his foster animals for theirs. Because I know how traumatic it is for him.
All this is a long way of saying, I hear you. Phobias are no joke, and even with incredible fortitude one can’t always overcome them.
laura
@trollhattan: Sutter Brown! Oh how I crushed on that half rat and then I was crushed by his decline and death. We kept his Halloween photo on the fridge for so long and still have it in a box of ephemera.
Nicole
@SiubhanDuinne: Well, now you know one other woman who doesn’t have pierced ears. We should form a club. Not due to needle phobia, though; my mom told me not before I was 12 and then she died when I was 10 and I never got around to it. Both my brother and my husband have pierced ears, which I find funny. Not that they’re pierced- that theirs are and mine aren’t.
That said, my stepbrothers have terrible, terrible needle phobia; it’s definitely a real and traumatizing thing. Needles make me anxious (I have awful veins for blood draw and have had some really rough experiences) but it’s not phobia level; I know the difference. I’m sorry you deal with that.
SiubhanDuinne
@Betsy:
Thank you. That’s really nice of you.
Sure Lurkalot
@SiubhanDuinne: Whatever you did to get the shots, I hope works if and when others are needed.
I have a needle aversion…I make myself look away and there’s no issue. My phobia is crowds…being amidst a number of people in a variety of situations makes me hyperventilate.
BTW, I don’t have pierced ears either…
VOR
@SiubhanDuinne: I had a panic attack over getting a shot when I was about 8-10 years old. They had to bring in 4 nurses to hold me down. I was completely not rational. So I get it and have some sympathy.
I was surprised by how small the needles were for the COVID vaccine. I barely felt it and asked the nurse if she put the needle in all the way.
trollhattan
@Ruckus: Oh lordy, you just reminded me of the last time I had blood taken, when the trainee did it with the phlebotomist observing. Let’s just say it was “too soon” for the young lady and I ain’t agreeing to that, again. Lots of skill required for that job, and nobody likes you. (Another time the dude was fine but after we were done he double-checked the paperwork and had missed a couple vials, so I had to have another go with the other arm.)
I revisited allergy shots as an adult. Had them as a kid but whatever benefits did not help here in the Central Valley decades later. It’s SOP to take an antihistamine an hour before and wait 30 minutes after. This seems more critical when starting out. They titrate several concentrations before you begin and IIRC my first vials were 1:500,000. I digress. Point being if I had any needle issues I’ve blunted them long ago. The best techs make the shot feel like a squeeze and not a poke. I don’t know why one differs from the next.
Each time I had the Pfizer I waited on site after, fifteen minutes? They had staff and equipment in case anybody had a reaction.
lowtechcyclist
@guachi:
While I’m sure most of those who claimed to be waiting on full approval will find another excuse, here I’m talking about one particular person. He’ll be staying with us for a few days starting later this afternoon, and I imagine the topic will come up. Should be interesting to see what he says now.
Ruckus
@trollhattan:
There was one girl at one clinic who could stick me every day if necessary. She was so smooth that I never felt the actual stab and she never missed. My needle history has ranged from that to the corpsman that was on his first day and I was the first human he’d ever stuck. I was sitting there with a 105 temp, that I’d had for at least 12 hrs and had passed out several hrs before, and he couldn’t hit a vein if he tried and he had tried and tried and tried….. I could have done it better. And offered to do just that. Told him if he didn’t want to pick me up off the floor, go get someone else.
Just One More Canuck
After the Pfizer vaccine was approved, the Pentagon announced they are mandating covid vaccines. That will help a lot
a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio
@eclare:
Vanderbilt announced their vaccination requirement for the 2021-2022 sessions a while back.
The public universities are not allowed to require vaccination. TSU is offering gift cards to those who are vaccinated; I’m not sure what the others are doing.
rikyrah
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Market the shyt out of it, Pfizer.
go go go
Betsy
@Baud: Friends!?! Friends are for *losers*. Real (important) people have employees, and political cronies, and allies.
Betsy
@Baud: When someone tells (shows) you who they are (repeatedly), believe them.
eclare
@a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio: University of Memphis is mandating the vaccine.
glc
@Almost Retired: Indeed.
There’s some Jerry Lewis movie where they bring out a huge needle. I actually hid under the seat in the movie theater. Not sure what year that was.
I still don’t like seeing medical procedures in films. No problems with Quentin Tarentino though. Weird.
No issues with vaccinations in their current form. It’s almost a pleasure, if you set aside the side effects.
(fully retired)
dkinPa
Just got back from the drug store, had to pick up a few things. An older guy on a walker was behind me in line, and as I left I heard him say to the clerk — “do you have the Covid vaccine?” Heard the clerk answer yes and ask him if he wanted to get it. First time I’ve overheard a conversation like this, but didn’t put two and two together until I saw this post! Keeping fingers and toes crossed! And would cross my eyes, too, if I thought it would help!
Steeplejack
@Baud:
I am usually the stickiest of sticklers for confirmation on Internet gossip, but Cuomo’s alleged dog dickishness was so trivial, so dickish and so Cuomo-plausible that I couldn’t resist passing it on. Sorry if this irreparably damages the defenseless lame duck.
smedley the uncertain
@trollhattan: Make it up as you go along. Let your mind imagine the terrors visited on the poor dog. It’s Only in YOUR MIND.
What other sick thoughts do you have to jump on the pile??
WaterGirl
@smedley the uncertain: Where did that come from?