News: https://t.co/GcD73lYo97
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) March 12, 2021
… Don’t expect much thanks in this one, though.
Prepare yourselves:
THIS SUNDAY: After signing Covid relief, Pres. Biden promises a return to normalcy by July 4 and directs states to make all adults eligible for vaccines by May 1. But how soon can Americans get the shot? Plus, @StaceyAbrams & @GeoffDuncanGA on the fight over voting access. #MTP pic.twitter.com/GRgByubNoK
— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) March 12, 2021
He did not come close to promising we would be back to normal on July 4. I get that you guys have given up on reporting, but can you not even handle stenography? pic.twitter.com/crEeR6tIcU
— Kurt "Masks Save Lives" Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) March 12, 2021
biden has broken the playbook so hard the pundits have been reduced to shit you’d have confused with brain trauma three months ago. biden is a boring radical taking too much credit for the fourth of july and won’t hold a press conference to discuss dr. seuss
— kilgore trout, ted’s travel agent (@KT_So_It_Goes) March 12, 2021
*this* is the headline on day Biden celebrates arguably biggest legislative win ever for a president 8 weeks into term
Dems in Disarray is a drug https://t.co/iNJUd7mZ86
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) March 12, 2021
For all the annoyance and frustration, it's REALLY important to remember that this very very big bill got through only with literal unanimity from Democrats. None of the 20th century Prez icons who pushed through the mega reforms did anything with these kinds of margins.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) March 11, 2021
henqiguai
Me? Really?
Me first, you not!!!
Baud
Before Steve in the ATL gets upset, we didn’t quite have unanimity in the House.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone???
NotMax
Meant to link to this newspaper clipping on its 115th anniversary on March 11 and then promptly spaced it out. Better late than never.
Also too,
fristraven.:)
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
NotMax
@NotMax
Far as have been able to determine, BTW, the ship remains untouched underground.
Baud
Next on Meet the Press: Biden backtracks from July 4 normalcy pledge.
raven
@NotMax: annoying mothefuckers
NotMax
@NotMax
And my math ain’t what it used to be, either. It’s actually the 116th anniversary of the article’s publication.
Le sigh.
Ken
@Baud: He meant literal in the literal sense, i.e., figurative.
rikyrah
Anyone get their #BidenBucks yet??
Not me ?
Ken
@NotMax: There’s a west coast city with a significant area built on ships that were sunk as landfill. Googling… San Francisco. Huh, it was like shipping containers nowadays; ships brought gold prospectors to SF, but there wasn’t anything valuable enough to justify the trip back.
(My life is so much easier since I stopped trying to memorize anything other than google keywords.)
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Make The New Deal Great Again
Starfish
@raven: Have they no shame? Biden should sign an executive order about these commenters.
Amir Khalid
I think we already have an idea how the infrastructure/jobs thing will go: Step one, Speaker Pelosi gives House Republicans their chance at sincere bipartisanship. Step two, they make their usual feints at it. Step three, they come right out and become openly obstructionist. Step four, she will go ahead and run them over.
.I also think many here look forward to step four.
Raven
Grant Park in Chicago is built on the debris from the fire@Ken:
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
The New Left
Amir Khalid
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
It is nice, isn’t it? And not just for America. Most of the planet feels a similar relief.
Baud
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
We get Bill Kristol. They get Glenn Greenwald.
Ken
@Raven: Yeah, a lot of cities have things like that. Both Chicago and Seattle were “raised”, in Chicago’s case by literally jacking up the existing buildings, to create a new ground level.
Of course nothing in the States, or even Mexico City, compares to old world cities. To steal a line from Pratchett, “what Ankh-Morpork was built on was, largely, Ankh-Morpork.”
RandomMonster
How can Biden ever compete with that other guy’s infrastructure week?!?!
lollipopguild
Headline-President Biden walks on water. Press and GQP reaction-Biden can’t swim.
Ken
@Amir Khalid: Then there’s the Senate side. Step one, unnamed Republican Senator refuses unanimous consent, requiring invocation of closure. Step two… there is no step two, it stays at step one forever.
Since it seems clear they won’t get rid of the filibuster, I at least hope they go back to a talking filibuster to make obstruction more painful.
Ken
@RandomMonster: You can’t expect Biden to match former guy’s four-year-long infrastructure week in under a hundred days. Its accomplishments, maybe; filling in a single pothole in front of the White House should do that.
Suburban Mom
@Baud: Seems like a fair swap.
germy
I bet they didn’t even rescue dogs.
Fair Economist
@Amir Khalid:
You know us so well.
JPL
@germy:
I’m with you 100 percent. We had many meetings in the White House and the Oval Office having to do with saving and helping dogs!’ Trump exclaimed.
link
trump, the dog lover
OzarkHillbilly
Puerto Rico sees a surge in tourism – and a rise in aggressive tourist behavior.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Sail the seven sewers?
RandomMonster
@Ken:
“Progressives Enraged as Biden’s Four Year Infrastructure Week Falls Short”
-NYT, probably
OzarkHillbilly
What happened to me was nothing – the nothing women know all too well
I suspect it’s hard for most men to understand what it’s like to navigate this world as a woman. It’s damned near impossible for me.
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
The rest of the world still doesn’t want Americans?
debbie
Fucking press, setting Joe up for failure. I hope the pushback continues.
OzarkHillbilly
@germy: They’re doing their best to rescue trump, doesn’t that count for something?
debbie
@Amir Khalid:
Works for me!
Ken
@germy: Well, it’s not stealing from a pediatric cancer charity, or even a veterans charity, but she’s only a Trump by marriage.
hueyplong
@Baud: It’s a sign of the times that I’m ok with that trade.
mrmoshpotato
@Amir Khalid:
Yes and YES!
OzarkHillbilly
@rikyrah: Puerto Rico is part of America. Jus’ sayin’… :-)
(couldn’t resist my inner pedant)
mrmoshpotato
@RandomMonster: And the classiest healthcare plan! So tremendous bigly (yes also bigot autoincorrect) excuse me excuse me!
OzarkHillbilly
High school announcer caught by hot mic blames racist outburst on high blood sugar
This guy blames his diabetes, Roseann blamed Ambien, Mel Gibson blamed alcohol… I’m just gonna apologize in advance for my inevitable alcohol fueled, drug induced, hypoglycemic racist diatribe. I’m 62, I can’t dodge that bullet forever.
Low Key Swagger
Question for those of you who might follow Popehat on Twitter. I don’t use the app, but I keep his page bookmarked and check it daily. Seems he’s gone silent for several days. Is this common?
Amir Khalid
@rikyrah: Especially the ones who travel to another part of America and abuse the hospitality of their own compatriots.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
“I’m not a racist. I just had a paper cut.”
Cermet
@Ken: Rather then allow it to defeat the vote, simply require all filibusters must be actual filibustering; a single thug must continue talking and if they stop, then a vote can be taken. Wear the MF’ers down and make them prove they’ll filibuster. They are spinless gutless cowards that will fold like a cheap suit when faced with real consequences for filibustering.
TS (the original)
One of the Australian States (Western Australia) had an election today. The RW parties were virtually wiped out. Out of 59 seats the Labor Party (LW) has won at least 52. Such a majority is a new record in Australian politics. Much of the voting reflected how the state controlled covid-19 but it also indicated the complete disintegration of the opposition.
Would be wonderful if this spread to the Federal election – due next year.
John S.
@OzarkHillbilly: So is Hawaii. And neither the Native Hawaiians nor the Puerto Ricans are overly fond of obnoxious American tourists from the mainland who act like assholes.
Amir Khalid
@OzarkHillbilly:
Who does he think he’s kidding? High blood sugar doesn’t do that. And whether it does or not, it’s on him to control his blood sugar for his own sake.
RandomMonster
@mrmoshpotato: …Thank you, Sir, said a big burly guy with tears in his eyes
WaterGirl
Wow, my $1,400 rescue check is already pending in my checking account. The credit union has a notice that they can’t legally release the funds until the specified date, which is listed as Wednesday, 3/17.
Impressive, in any case.
germy
Thread:
mrmoshpotato
@Low Key Swagger: Ken might be resting up for RICOfest brought to us by Merrick Garland. ?
WaterGirl
@Baud: Like a prisoner exchange!
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
I know Ozark. I would bet that they only went to P R cause the rest of the world rejects us
germy
RADICALISM, n. The conservatism of to-morrow injected into the affairs of to-day.
(Devil’s Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce)
scribbler
@OzarkHillbilly: Wrong link? I’m not getting to the article in your comment.
mrmoshpotato
@RandomMonster: Ahhhh yes.
Ken
@rikyrah: I haven’t checked lately. How many foreign countries can US citizens visit without restrictions? We were down to 9 last August.
(Ten years from now: “Mr. Prime Minister, 90% of the US population is vaccinated, it’s been seven years since a significant outbreak. Why isn’t your country accepting US tourists?” “Well, it’s been so much quieter and more pleasant….”)
Baud
@RandomMonster:
I initially thought you were talking about the fake dog rescue. I thought a talking dog would be a bridge too far even for Trump.
NotMax
Listening to heavy rain, day six rain pound the roof. Been a supremely soggy week. More to come on Sunday and Monday.
germy
Amir Khalid
@WaterGirl:
People should start calling that relief money Bidenbucks. Especially in front of Trumpers.
Baud
@germy:
OzarkHillbilly
@Low Key Swagger: He likes to spend time in the mountains. That might be it.
germy
OzarkHillbilly
@Amir Khalid: Any port in a storm.
@John S.: Who does?
RandomMonster
@Baud: Since they’re all voices in his head, not impossible.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Demodough?
OzarkHillbilly
@scribbler: try this: What happened to me was nothing – the nothing women know all too well
Sorry about that.
germy
This photo:
OzarkHillbilly
@germy: Who does she think she is? She can’t tell me what to do!
topclimber
@henqiguai: Keep the dream alive!
WaterGirl
@Amir Khalid: Bidenbucks works for me!
WereBear
@rikyrah: Nor me. Yet, I hope for both of us.
Anya
@Baud: Can we give away both? Although, I wouldn’t mind exchanging Elizabeth Bruenig and her husband for Bill Kristol. At least we know who he is. He doesn’t pretend to be progressive. And we don’t have to claim him as one of us. He can just be one of us for a little while and we still have the deniability option.
WereBear
Heads up for Cat Fans and the Cat-Adjacent and People who love people who love cats…
Today, noon respite thread, and I welcome questions in my area of expertise.
SiubhanDuinne
@scribbler:
Try this for the article Ozark meant to link:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street
WaterGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: That worked, and I just corrected the URL that was in your original post.
topclimber
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Good one! I prefer Make the New Deal Greater.
rikyrah
As the MSM is trying to force 46 to give Dolt45 credit for the Vaccination success??
scribbler
@OzarkHillbilly: Thanks!
O. Felix Culpa
@Amir Khalid: Our relief money has hit our account too. Having a functioning government that cares about people brings tears to my eyes.
germy
@WereBear:
Thank you.
NotMax
@Baud
As Georgia Engel warbles, I Remember Love.
:)
Ken
That’s what many of our front-pagers and commenters say about their stray or foster dogs, cats, ducks, pigs, anacondas… And we all snicker, knowing that three years later we’ll be seeing pictures of it curled up in the special down-filled, bacon-scented pet bed they found online.
Baud
@O. Felix Culpa:
My hope is that people grow sick of it after two terms so Baud! 2028! has a chance.
germy
@O. Felix Culpa:
I remember the last misadministration when Mnuchin went on TV to say “Checks will be going out quickly, possibly next week!” And then months went by before we got any relief. We were being trained to believe That’s Just The Way It Is.
Biden proves Mnuchin wrong.
OzarkHillbilly
@WaterGirl: Thanx.
Fair Economist
@TS (the original):
Oh, indeed, but haven’t the Liberals handled COVID pretty well on a national level? So similar shifts would benefit them.
Cameron
@rikyrah: If Trump was doing such a great job on COVID, how come the MSM didn’t note it at the time?
rikyrah
@debbie:
The thing is, they phucking said nothing while Dolt45 did nothing in Spring 2020, setting up the Hunger Games with the States using PPE. They acted as if that shyt was normal. And, hey, all those things that Democrats say that Dolt45 could be doing, well that’s just politics.
So, 46 comes in, and pretty much from scratch, is building a FEDERAL PLAN AROUND VACCINATION.
Shows what could be done if there are competent people in charge.
They look ridiculous ? for the basic stenography they did for the past 4 years.
They continue to try and normalize Dolt45. Because, if he was REALLY THAT BAD, then they would have been reporting that…
And, they didn’t ??
Anya
@Ken: Except, he’s not some cute pet who warms their way into our hearts. This is Bill Krsitol we’re talking about. It won’t be long before he’s campaigning for Iran to be bombed into smithereens, and when Biden doesn’t comply, he’ll start writing about Biden’s foreign policy of appeasement, and start comparing him to Chamberlain. We know where this is going.
O. Felix Culpa
@Baud: You too could be the next Former Guy!
Anya
What’s up with these conspiracy theories about Cuomo and how he’ll be replaced with a Trump buddy if he resigns? I hope the Trump years have not traumatized some of our fellow liberals and made us unhinged and prone to conspiracy theories. I’ve unfollowed at least 10 twitter followers because they’re rt or like of insane tweets about how Cuomo shouldn’t resign and how Trump is behind all of these women who are coming forward. Do people actually not know how succession works in New York if Cuomo resigns? Do they actually believe a Trump ally can be elected New York AG or New York governor? What insanity.
WereBear
@germy: It is indeed my pleasure.
Geminid
@NotMax: Might be a good time to check out the movie version of Ray Bradbury’s The Illustrated Man, starring Rod Steiger and Claire Bloom(!). You might appreciate the episode about astronauts driven mad by a planet’s incessant rain.
RSA
@germy: I’m surprised to find they get a passing score of 80 from Charity Navigator. Suddenly I am less trustful of their metrics. (ETA: Or maybe data collection. Because the numbers on their site are different from what you’d expect, given the news report.)
WereBear
@rikyrah: I checked bank account because of Water Girls’ experience: still no BidenBucks.
But I did put an alert on my account.
Uncle Cosmo
@mrmoshpotato: Pace Barry Manilow:
(One devoutly hopes…)
mrmoshpotato
@germy:
WereBear
@Geminid: Oh, I love that one!
Omnes Omnibus
@lollipopguild: Biden refuses to swim. Is he afraid of the water?
mrmoshpotato
@Anya: Iraq War Pimp Bill Kristol (h/t driftglass)
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Bahahaha, Pelosie is torturing the GOP now “Here is that big, juicy highway project for your district you dreamed about for years. Think of all the job. And we both know you are going to vote against it because you just have to kiss Trump’s ars”
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@OzarkHillbilly: Your link was to a blog where you left the same comment. That one links back to the original Guardian column.
Geminid
@WereBear: I love any movie with Claire Bloom. What can I say but, Hubba, Hubbah!
germy
@RSA:
Maybe they just rescued one very large dog.
mrmoshpotato
Asshole in aisle Wisconsin’s Russthuglican Senator!
Throw this ass out on his ass.
Stacib
@rikyrah: I did.?
Another Scott
Kurt (in the tweet above) is right – leaving out important qualifiers is not clarifying or simplifying a story, it’s distorting what was said. We saw the same thing about the CDC guidance on what to do after being vaccinated. They didn’t say you’re good to go after getting your second shot, they said that you can start to resume more normal activities in some cases two weeks after your final shot.
“But you promised that we could go to orgies at BurningMan when we got vaccinated! You promised!!11”
:-/
Bad tweets should be ignored. Amplifying them with clicks and reposting too often makes things worse.
Cheers,
Scott.
topclimber
@RSA: TFG is so dumb. How easy to tie in his “can you see me with a dog walking around the White House lawn?” to “I can see YOU MAGA dog lovers walking one of your own, maybe one from Big Dog Ranch Rescue.”
Too much to hide in the finances perhaps (only rumors that I know of). But also no compassion nor wit.
Quinerly
Good Morning! Have been somewhat off line for a few days. Did frosty get his Covid shot in Mississippi? Did Ozark get his the other day?
Ken
@RSA: I’d guess data collection. Charity Navigator would have to rely to a large extent on what the charity tells them, and if the charity is using Trump accounting the numbers will be screwed and skewed.
Kristine
@Amir Khalid:
I am guessing that he belongs to the Party of Personal Responsibility is for Other People.
Seriously, I have never seen people dig for excuses and blame deflection as quickly as the members of the PPROP.
WereBear
@OzarkHillbilly: After all, got one dude off a premeditated murder charge… why not?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
You ever walked down the street in a large city? My bet is the guy in the story was stoned out of his gord, was talking to voices in his and the writer had the misfortune to be the nearest human bean.
topclimber
@Amir Khalid: Nancy always has me at Step 1.
Mark it well, jackals. We shall see bi-partnership if not something better when it comes to infrastructure.
Also, for Germy, this,
Another Scott
@Low Key Swagger: I’ve noticed he’s been quiet too. He’s mentioned problems with depression before – I hope he’s fine and is just taking a break.
Cheers,
Scott.
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: JoeDough!
Cheers,
Scott.
Omnes Omnibus
Just as a reminder: This is the one year anniversary of Breonna Taylor’s murder.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Low Key Swagger:
It is unusual, and I haven’t found any mention of him taking a break.
Uncle Cosmo
@Ken: Sadly, the one nation I’d jet off to in a heartbeat 2 weeks after my second shot of
PalaeolithicaAntiquaModerna is doing worse than we are. (Double shame in that they did a great job hammering down the curve a year ago – & then celebrated prematurely.) Pretty sure I’ll miss my customary host’s birthday again this year – hope we can observe it in the autumn with a classy supper party in Prague.Low Key Swagger
@Another Scott: Me too. The reason I asked (and thank you all who commented) was I thought he made some reference to a new law wherein someone can be held liable for photos they share and especially if there was protected music content, even if it was background noise. I was wondering if he was seeking clarification and had decided to go dark until it’s sorted out. A lawyer would do that kind of thing.
marklar
@Uncle Cosmo:
At the Mar-a, Mar-a Lago.
The gaudiest place north of Tobago!
MagdaInBlack
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: My guess is the woman who wrote the article about her lived experience knows exactly what was going on.
germy
Cop Accused of Playing Copyrighted Music While Being Filmed to Block Video Sharing
WereBear
You’re male, aren’t you?
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Yes, many times. But I was always a male while I was doing it.
Even if true, I’m not sure how telling her this would be supposed to make her feel safer.
Suburban Mom
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Umm. Yeah and a good friend of mine was gratuitously hit in the head by a guy like that on a city street. It might not have been because she was a woman. But being on average shorter and with less upper body strength makes you vulnerable. Pervasive misogyny is not our friend. And being attacked even verbally is a crappy way to start your day.
UncleEbeneezer
Got my J&J shot yesterday! Sat for 2 hours at Dodger Stadium through some pretty serious rain, but got it. So far I feel a bit fatigued, slight headache and some pressure in glands around my neck, nose, ears etc., but honestly I was feeling most of this stuff due to allergies (I assume) even before the shot so I’m not even sure if any is because of the shot. For Los Angelenos here, I’d probably suggest waiting to get it at someplace local when available rather than a mega-site, so you would have a much faster experience. But the one upside was that driving through the endless maze of cones with tons of other cars, with volunteers and workers in various levels of PPE’s, Dodger Stadium and LA in the backdrop was like something out of The Stand. . My wife will have to wait to get hers, but as I do most of the grocery shopping and my job actually takes me out of the house, we both feel a whole lot safer now.
RaflW
@Ken: The talking filibuster is the absolute minimum. I has been absurd that the mere threat to keep talking has derailed hundreds of things people want (and yes, some day Republicans will have the majority, and we’ll want to stop bills. Our folks can talk, too).
OzarkHillbilly
Ummmm…. Yes. For most of the first 4 1/2 decades of my life. And I can tell the difference between a wacked out looney tune and a loudmouthed abusive asshole and I’m pretty sure she can too. It’s kind of the first lesson in big city living.
lowtechcyclist
Man, that CNN header – what total bullshit. The Dems just passed one of the most amazing pieces of legislation of my whole 67 year lifetime with exactly zero Senators to spare, and only a few Representatives as well. If you’d told me a few months ago how the Dems would be kicking butt in this Congress, I’d have asked for a hit of whatever you were smoking. And here they are, hanging together and kicking butt, despite their paper-thin majorities.
They’ll have an absolutely great Infrastructure Week, and you bet I’m looking forward to Step Four. Vroom!
germy
Ruviana
OT but “first” is leaking over to LGM. They seem as happy about it as we are. lol
AnotherBruce
@rikyrah: Me either, but I got my last $600 on a Monday. So maybe.
frosty
@Quinerly: Yes, I got the shot! I made the comment that I was grateful because Mississippi had a residence requirement. The pharmacy tech said “We’re a little lax here.”
Second will be due in California. They’re not lax at all. We’ll see.
MagdaInBlack
@Ruviana: I saw that, kinda made me laugh =-)
Jeffro
@Ken: the board is ON FIRE this morning ???
OzarkHillbilly
A longish but very good read: ‘I’m on the street, but I’m not a bum’: how a Vietnam vet showed me the real New York
Brachiator
The Meet the Press summary is stupid…
The media, and some people, insist on the reductive narrative line of “getting back to normal,” as though people in general, and Americans in particular, have a divine right to a placid life. This false narrative has echoes of the Orange Beast’s false promise that the virus would simply disappear before last summer. But Biden’s promise to get everyone who wants it vaccinated in the next few months will be a tremendous achievement and offer a welcome respite, but will not by itself crush a global pandemic or guarantee that the virus is wiped out forever.
The “fight over voter access” is more obnoxious. It is a fight against voter suppression, racism and an attempt to destroy democracy.
Cameron
Not only does TFG not get enough credit for his COVID crusade, libtards are trying to get everyone to forget his MAGAing the economy. https://www.axios.com/gdp-fourth-quarter-b63627cc-59c4-47fd-a389-33501283be41.html
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: Funny, it’s diesel not gasoline for me.
Wag
@germy: The only dog they rescued was named Donald
MattF
@UncleEbeneezer: Got my J&J shot midday yesterday at a local CVS pharmacy. A little soreness at the spot on my arm and… maybe… a little woozy, but it’s possibly due to pollen. Pharmacist said Tylenol + stay hydrated. Also got an email from my healthcare provider offering preregistration for a vaccine appointment.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Yeah, you’ve mentioned that before. The smell of diesel just makes me want to puke.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: Diesel, burning coal, and cordite are the army smells for me.
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: In Korea we used these space heaters that used a 5 gal jerry can hooked to the side. They burned hot but they didn’t last all night go, either someone got up and re-started, or you stayed in your sleeping bag! When winter was coming it was all hands on deck to go to the railhead and take 50 gallon drums of diesel, load them on trucks, take em back to the compound and stack em. Ever see the tool used to open and turn them?
germy
Here’s a good video, a geography of Who Hates Who:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWX0bbGAd0k
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: Still coal for you huh? We used coal in the wood barracks ay Knox and I was stupid enough to volunteer to be a “fireman” which meant shoveling coal in the furnaces to keep the pipes from freezing. Google the winter storm of 67 sometime !
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: As far back as Basic. Coal stoves in the warming tents at firing ranges. Burning coal isn’t something I had generally come across elsewhere.
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: Ever worked with rinvuts? I’m trying to put a passenger mirror on my truck and I can’t get access to the inside of the door to mount it. I got these things a Grainger are my test work on a piece of sheetmetal but the 1/2 Hoel is just a bit too small. I ordered a 17/32 from amazon yesterday and it came so now I’m going to do another test before I drill into my truck.
karen marie
@rikyrah: I’ve fixed it.
I’d say Trump’s “attempt” doesn’t even rise to “dismal.” It didn’t exist at all beyond him screaming “look at MEEEEE!”
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: Here’s what they looked like in our hooch.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@germy: The whole Daily Show Education Special was excellent.
karen marie
@Anya: Yeah, I’ll never understand people making heroes out of RWNJs who occasionally make correct observations. See, eg, Megan Kelly, and a multitude of others.
planetjanet
@OzarkHillbilly: This article actually bothered me. Comments were not allowed on the Guardian website. I had wanted to see what the reaction was, knowing full well, there would be some horrid comments. But I wanted to see the pushback. I checked Marina Hyde’s twitter feed and could see a few comments. One repeated critique was she was intentionally looking at men with a mean look on her face so she would have something to write about. But seriously, must a stray eye contact from a stranger be answered with a demand for an explanation and a refusal to answer require cursing? Why can’t men brush off simple things? And with all the cursing, no one came to her aid. Just another day, another woman being cursed in public.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: I was at Knox in the winter as well. Old WWII wooden barracks. We didn’t have coal heat for them though. Remember digging foxholes in the clay?
@raven: Is that a Quonset?
OzarkHillbilly
I have this wonderful down bag that came in real handy one winter camping trip. Woke up early and could tell it was well below zero and said, “I’ll wait.” Sure enough, others who were not quite so well armored got up, started the fire and got coffee going. I stuck my hand out of the tent with a coffee cup and asked for service. Received a torrent of “Fuck you’s!” and had several objects thrown in my direction.
Some people just have no sense of humor.
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: Yep, that’s what we had in Korea. The huts at the top of the photo were our quarters, of course that is NOT where the officers lived!
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: No, I haven’t. I’ve watched a buddy of mine use them, they seem to work OK.
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: The Army bags were heavy but real warm, down they were. I remember the first time we were at the range in the winter. A coupe of us decide to sleep in the back of the 2×2. They have a steel bed and we fucking froze, you were way better off on the ground.
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: If would quit dicking around on the computer I’d go try em!@
Omnes Omnibus
I should hope not. Heaven forfend. That being said, in the field, we lived in same kind of places as our soldiers.
OzarkHillbilly
@planetjanet: It bothered the hell out of me.
This is the part that is hard for me to wrap my head around. I make eye contact with nearly everyone whose path I cross on the street. I usually say something along the lines of “Hey, how you doing?” Women can’t do that, because of what might, and all too often does develop.
Many can, but for some everything is a challenge to their manhood. They have to be alpha.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Heh. I’ve got some laminating I should be doing.
Ken
Must be part of that “roaring twenties” repeat I’ve been hearing so much about. Once the plague is under control, everyone lets go of all their inhibitions.
Steeplejack
@OzarkHillbilly:
In the news.
laura
@rikyrah: Well they spent a whole lot of time discussing how bad he actually was amongst themselves and the publishing companies for their future books about how bad he actually was – but report the unvarnished truth in real time for the benefit of the public? That was a bridge too far.
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: I’ve probably shared this before but this is a video that our Battalion CO shot, he see it to em almost 20 years ago. There are shots of their quarters as well as some of the officers in Blues at a banquet and on a duck hunt! We had no idea! You might like the shots of us shooting at Camp St Barbara.
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: It works on the test! We play Iowa at 3:30 in the Big 120 semi’s so I gotta get something done now!
smedley the uncertain
@raven: We used Rivnuts on the aircraft. Still got some in a box somewhere in my 60 year accumulation of treasure.
Brachiator
@OzarkHillbilly:
Sorry to come to this thread late.
This is so true. In a conversation with one of my best women friends, I noted that one advantage that almost all men have is the ability to be anonymous.
I am a moderately tall, hefty guy, and can often just walk outside doing whatever I need to do, without anyone talking to me or taking much notice of me.
This sometimes includes some areas where punks might even try to pick a fight with a guy.
Sometimes I even get a kind of deference from other guys. A “Hello, Big man” from total strangers. Maybe it’s “Hi ya, Fatty,” but still no overt hostility or challenge.
But along the same stretches of street that I can walk along without a worry, I have observed women having to deal with unwanted conversations, guys getting too close, catcalls, and jerks honking their car horns at them.
Sometimes women walking with children get a break. Sometimes not.
It is like a parallel universe.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: I just saved the vid. I’ve got to run, but I will give it a look later.
geg6
@Brachiator:
Almost all men, even the most sympathetic among them, have no idea of the annoyances and anxiety women deal with every day in so many ways. If I wasn’t a woman and had lived it, I wouldn’t have any idea either.
To be Frank
dangle those carrots. big juicy sweet carrots. earmarks for red districts. make the carrots locally popular. make them vote against their voters interest despite those interests being popular. OR they can participate constructively.
planetjanet
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: It happens too often to be one rare guy. How many times have you been followed for blocks for the way you made eye contact with someone.
raven
@smedley the uncertain: A couple of the “how to” vids on YouTube were aviation related!
Sister Golden Bear
@Ken: More than that. Many of the crews of the buried ship had gone AWOL to the gold fields, so there was no one to sail the ships back home.
Sister Golden Bear
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: As someone who’s lived as both a man and a woman — and who’s been out in public as both in SF’s Tenderloin — trust me there’s a huge difference between the sort of harassment I got as a man, and the kind I now get as a woman. Including comments (and sometimes actions) by the tweakers and the mentally ill homeless people.
As a man, I was never hit with the “Gimme a smile” that quickly turns into “Smile bitch!” that turns into “Fuck you bitch, I’m talking to you!”
It’s something that men at best understand at an intellectual level, whereas women feel it down to our very bones. There’s a reason why women have to treat men in the street — and it’s virtually always men — as Schrodinger’s Sexual Harasser (or worse).
Woodrow/asim
@Sister Golden Bear: As a Cis, Male (and Male-presenting) Belly Dancer, I kind of get it, because of how societies see men who perform this dance form. I have been, on multiple occasions, sexually harassed in my life because of assumptions built-into “being a belly dancer”.
And when I tell people about it, and they mutter and complain and chatter about how “unfair” it is? I still have to explain that, when I take my costume off, when I wander in the audience in “civvies” before a show, or if I’m not performing? No harassment happens. Only if someone pegs me as a dancer, does the harassment come after that.
I can escape the harassment, by downplaying my dancing. Women never get to do that.
There’s no magic clothing or outfit or action that protects someone who society ID’s as a woman from harassment. I’ve watched a vast diversity of women — from literal nuns (8 years Catholic schooling!) to friends involved in sex work — navigate these issues over decades, online and off, and it’s…it’s horrific. Worse, when there are women who will back these acts of harassment, and convince people it’s “not that big a deal.”
I’m not sinless in this regard; it took those same decades to erase a lot of the crap I grew up thinking, and have to keep working on, every day. But when you get harassed, when you’re so scared of a drunk person’s leering and shouting at you, to even leave your room to go to the bathroom? It really helps clear the mind about how important, how crucial, building a harassment-free culture really is.
Starboard Tack
@Amir Khalid:
I’m looking forward to step five. Republicans realize they’re being douches and apologize profusely.
“Oh, look, that pig has wings!!!”
rikyrah
@UncleEbeneezer:
Yeah ???
rikyrah
@laura:
Don’t get me started on the phucking books???
susanna
@OzarkHillbilly: I hope every man reads this ENTIRE article, so they get the feel of her frightful experience.
And then examine their options on doing something, anything.
Ruckus
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’ve met some guys that could be a Joe, at the VA. Maybe a little less Joe, but close enough to be reminded of him. Their lives forever shattered by war and the after effects of all of it. Many days I am so thankful that I didn’t get trust into that, it’s such an odd thing to realize that there was really nothing different about any male of the time, that you could be chosen at random to become Joe or never be Joe any longer. Maybe if you had lots of money you could buy your way out, but otherwise it was just pure luck you didn’t end up like him or the thousands of other Joes.
sab
@OzarkHillbilly: About fifteen years ago my husband had major back surgery. I went to visit him at the hospital.
My father was a doctor who always worked in hospitals. I have heard for my whole life lectures about how dangerous hospital environs are for women. Pretty nurses getting off shift at all kinds of hours, hence attracting utter creeps.
So I was visiting my husband, but the sun was setting, so I was anxious to get to my car and get home. My husband said “but [stepson] is coming. Why don’t you wait and he can walk you to your car?” So I did.
When he came out of the hospital I headed to my car, and stepson went in the opposite direction to his car, at a fast clip. It had never occurred to him that I might want protection. Because of my dad and his experience, it had never occurred to me that he would need to be asked.
Men and women live in two different worlds in the same space.
EM
@Ken: I believe they’re doing it through reconciliation again. They had two to use. No Repubs necessary.