Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Well, except the wingnuts. fuck those guys!

I’m going back to the respite thread.

The willow is too close to the house.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

All your base are belong to Tunch.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

Saul Alinsky is my co-pilot.

The revolution will be supervised.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

All this crying. this is why i don’t click on stuff.

Good luck with your asparagus.

The math demands it!

I’m only here for the duck photos.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Han shot first.

I don’t care how fun he is after a few whiskies. fuck that guy.

We have all the best words.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

It was down to kool-aid drinkers and next of kin at the trump White House

Yes we did.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

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COVID-19 Coronavirus Updates: Saturday/Sunday, Feb. 27-28

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Since I’m seeing some (fearful) discussion about this: The study was done concerning health care workers’ uniforms, not ‘everyday’ masks. If you’re working with infected individuals, you should wear cotton/polyester or cotton materials — *not* polyester — and wash them with detergent in hot water (if your company won’t wash them for you).

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I read Wolf’s first book, The Beauty Myth, back when it came out in 1991. As I remember, it was organized around the author’s core philosophy: LOOKIT MEEEEEE!!! NO, ONLY MEEE! Nothing she has done since then has changed my opinion; it’s just harder for her to draw attention now, in our panoramic social-media age.


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  2. 2.

    YY_Sima Qian

    On 2/27 China reported 0 new domestic confirmed & 0 new domestic asymptomatic cases.

    Hebei Province

    Hebei Provincial Health Commission reported that 9 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are currently 29 domestic confirmed cases (26 moderate and 3 mild) & 3 domestic asymptomatic cases in the province:

    • At Xingtai, there are currently 3 domestic confirmed cases in the city.
    • At Shijiazhuang, 9 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are 26 confirmed cases & 3 asymptomatic cases.

     

    Heilongjiang Province

    Heilongjiang Provincial Health Commission reported that there are currently 1 domestic confirmed (moderate) & 2 domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.:

    • At Suihua, there is currently 1 domestic confirmed case there.
    • At Harbin, there are currently 2 asymptomatic cases there.

     

    Jilin Province 

    Jilin Provincial Heath Commission reported that 4 domestic confirmed cases recovered & 2 domestic asymptomatic cases were released from isolation. There are currently 9 domestic confirmed (1 severe, 4 moderate and 4 mild) cases there.:

    • At Tonghua, 4 domestic confirmed cases recovered & 2 domestic asymptomatic cases were released from isolation. There are currently 9 domestic confirmed cases in the city.

     

    Imported Cases

    On 2/27 China reported 6 new imported confirmed cases, 6 imported asymptomatic cases, 1 imported suspect case:

    • Guangzhou in Guangdong Province – 1 confirmed case, a Chinese national returning from Iraq; 4 asymptomatic cases, 3 Chinese nationals returning from Iraq & 1 from Qatar
    • Kunming in Yunnan Province – 2 confirmed cases, both Chinese nationals returning from Indonesia
    • Xiamen in Fujian Province – 2 confirmed cases, 1 Chinese national each returning from Cambodia & the Philippines
    • Tianjin Municipality – 1 confirmed case, a Chinese national returning from Niger (via Paris CdG); 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national returning from Côte d’Ivoire (via Paris CdG)
    • Chengdu in Sichuan Province – 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national returning from Algeria
    • Shanghai Municipality – 1 suspect case, no information released

     

    Overall in China, 18 confirmed cases recovered, 7 asymptomatic cases were released from isolation & none were reclassified as confirmed cases, and 358 individuals were released from quarantine. Currently, there are 218 active confirmed cases in the country (162 imported), 1 is in critical/serious condition (none imported), 257 asymptomatic cases (249 imported), 3 suspect cases (all imported). 4,294 traced contacts are currently under centralized quarantine.

    On 2/28 Hong Kong reported 22 new cases, 5 imported & 17 domestic (4 of whom do not yet have source of infection identified).

  4. 4.

    NeenerNeener

    Monroe County, NY yesterday:

    New cases = 123. Reported deaths at 1137.
    Positivity at 1.8%
    210 cases in the hospital, 69 in the ICU
    40% hospital beds available, 36% ICU beds available.

  5. 5.

    Amir Khalid

    Malaysia’s daily Covid-19 numbers. Director-General of Health Dr Noor Hisham Abdullah reports 2,437 new cases today in his media statement, for a cumulative reported total of 300,752 cases. He also reports nine new deaths today, for a cumulative total of 1,130 deaths — 0.38% of the cumulative reported total, 0.41% of resolved cases.

    There are currently 26,205 active and contagious cases; 202 are in ICU, 93 of them intubated. Meanwhile, 3,251 patients recovered and were discharged, for a cumulative total of 273,417 patients recovered – 90.9% of the cumulative reported total.

    Nine new clusters were reported today: Jalan Timah Tiga, Jalan Tanjung Empt, Jalan Desa Tropika, and Batu Empat in Johor; Perusahaan Jalan Bukit, Industri Waja, and Jalan Selisik in Selangor; Bukit Kiara building site in Kuala Lumpur; and Jalan Sungai Baong in Penang. All are workplace clusters.

    2,435 new cases today are local infections. Selangor reports 913 local cases: 123 in older clusters; 307 in Perusahaan Jalan Bukit, Industri Waja, and Jalan Selisik clusters; 393 close-contact screenings; and 90 other screenings. Johor reports 340 cases: 148 in older clusters; 44 in Jalan Timah Tiga, Jalan Tanjung Empt, Jalan Desa Tropika, and Batu Empat clusters; 69 close-contact screenings; and 79 other screenings. Kuala Lumpur reports 337 cases: 47 in older clusters, 180 in Bukit Kiara building site cluster, 59 close-contact screenings, and 51 other screenings. Perak reports 287 cases: 279 in existing clusters, five close-contact screenings, and three other screenings.

    Sarawak reports 170 local cases: 44 in existing clusters, 70 close-contact screenings, and 56 other screenings. Sabah reports 134 cases: 71 in existing clusters, 48 close-contact screenings, and 15 other screenings. Penang reports 105 cases: 15 in older clusters, 16 in Jalan Sungai Baong cluster, 20 close-contact screenings, and 54 other screenings.

    Negeri Sembilan reports 65 cases: 39 in existing clusters, 11 close-contact screenings, and 15 other screenings. Kelantan reports 33 cases: seven in existing clusters, 24 close-contact screenings, and two other screenings.

    Kedah reports 13 cases: four in existing clusters, four close-contact screenings, and five other screenings. Terenggau reports 12 cases: seven in existing clusters, three close-contact screenings, and two other screenings. Pahang reports 11 cases: four in existing clusters, five close-contact screenings, and two other screenings. Melaka reports 10 cases: three in existing clusters, six close-contact screenings, and one other screening. Putrajaya reports two cases: one in an existing cluster, and two other screenings. And Labuan reports two cases: one close-contact screening, and one other screening.

    Perlis reports no new cases today.

    Two new cases today are imported: one in Selangor, and one in Sarawak.

    The deaths reported today are a 69-year-old woman in Melaka with hypertension, dyslipidaemia, and chronic kidney disease; an 81-year-old man in Sarawak with diabetes and hypertension; an 81-year-old woman in Sarawak with diabetes, hypertension, and chronic kidney disease; a 68-year-old man in Kelantan with diabetes; a 64-year-old man in Selangor with diabetes, hypertension, heat disease, and chronic kidney disease; an 88-year-old woman in Selangor with osteoporosis; a 57-year-old man in Selangor with diabetes, hypertension, dyslipidaemia, obesity, and chronic kidney disease; a 69-year-old man in Perak with diabetes and hypertension; and a 102-year-old non-Malaysian woman in Johor with no co-morbidities listed.

  6. 6.

    rikyrah

    The J and J vaccine.

    Folks think that people can’t read ..

    It is not as effective as Pfizer AND Moderna.

     

    Give it to young people, ages 18-27, with NO UNDERLYING CONDITIONS

     

    Relieve pressure on the system

     

    Send it to all those States that think it’s a hoax and that COVID restrictions impinge on their FREEDOM

    Like Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Iowa.

     

    Keep Pfizer AND Moderna for folks who actually believe that COVID is real

     

    Keep Pfizer AND Moderna for the folks who have underlying conditions.

     

    I don’t want to see J and J pushed in Black and Brown communities, when we are stuffed full of folks with underlying conditions 😡😡

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    The Florida official?

    She didn’t come up with that shyt on her own.

    The only reason that they are investigating now is because 46 won, and they know that they have been doing foul shut and want to pretend to get out ahead of it.

  8. 8.

    PST

    I had forgotten who Naomi Wolf is, so I quickly checked Wikipedia. There I found many sources attesting that she long ago became a conspiracy theorist untethered from facts. Imagine how pleased I was to see that one of those citations was to Imani Gandy right here at Balloon Juice. The link still works. I wonder how many footnotes BJ has in Wikipedia.

  9. 9.

    Amir Khalid

    I looked up AIER. It’s a right-wing think tank in Massachusetts that downplays the danger of climate change and argues that sweatshops are good.

    Per Wiipedia:

    AIER issued a statement in October 2020 called the “Great Barrington Declaration” that argued for a herd immunity strategy to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic. It was roundly condemned by public health experts. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s top infectious disease expert, called the declaration “total nonsense” and unscientific. Tyler Cowen, a libertarian economist at George Mason University, wrote that while he sympathizes with a libertarian approach to deal with the pandemic, the declaration was dangerous and misguided. The declaration was also criticized by the Niskanen Center, a formerly libertarian think tank that now calls itself moderate.

    AIER paid for ads on Facebook promoting its articles against government social distancing measures and mask mandates.[

  10. 10.

    Mousebumples

    Looking for tips to pass along to a 65+ family member in New Jersey on how/where to find a covid vaccine. His wife is a teacher but not 65+ so (i think) not yet in an eligible group from what I’ve been able to find online.

    Thanks, all!

  11. 11.

    satby

    @rikyrah: they all prevent serious illness, hospitalization, and death from covid. I’m trying to get two of my friends to go get the vaccinations they should have had a month ago, both older, one with cancer and one a multiple heart bypass survivor. They wanted to wait for the “one shot” one. Sigh. People need to get a vaccination and stop being picky, being without a vaccination is the real risk.

  13. 13.

    Lavocat

    Come for the flavor of cool ranch, stay for the flavor of life-shattering Covid.

    It reminds me of Shimmer, both a floor wax AND a dessert topping.

    Yum.

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    @Mousebumples:

    Have they signed up with every pharmacy chain around them?

    Call their doctor’s office?

    Are they veterans?

    County health department

    State health department

    Call local state representative’s office

  15. 15.

    Soapdish

    Stout is angry because he says he needs more staff, but it’s nearly impossible to hire anyone. He estimates that 35 percent of his 650 employees companywide left in 2020. He blames enhanced unemployment insurance. “This day and age, the government’s gone too easy on handouts, and no one wants to work,” he said.

    Fuuuuuuck that guy.

  16. 16.

    Platonicspoof

    We need to be careful about comparing vaccines. As other commenters in other threads have pointed out, the J&J vaccine clinical trials were done later than Pfizer and Moderna, and so after other variants had appeared, so testing for different things and at different times.

    Here’s another very significant difference that everyone knows, but that some (including myself) haven’t taken to the next step. The J&J trials used one dose, and the results are being compared, in the cases of Moderna and Pfizer, to two doses. Last November J&J announced it would be starting phase 3 trials of their vaccine with two doses, so until results are in, we can’t say it isn’t just as effective, if not more so, in a more apples to apples comparison.

    Besides the easier storage requirements, the same article reports:

    It has had noticeably milder side effects than the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, according to the FDA report released in late February. No one suffered an allergic reaction in clinical trials for the vaccine, according to the company.

     

    This might be important, e.g., for some of the BJ people who have reported significant side effects from their Moderna or Pfizer shots.

  18. 18.

    Mary G

    Yesterday was the first day I didn’t look at the OC statistics. Partly because I slept most of the day due to the 2nd dose of the Moderna vaccine on Thursday. All my other symptoms cleared up except the fatigue and a new reaction – a dime-sized bright red circle of rash bordered by a thin ring of blisters at the injection site. Doesn’t hurt but, it itches like crazy.

    OC new cases up to 294, deaths reported are low, but the new California database is borked.

    Housemate’s much more serious symptoms were all gone when she woke up this morning. Oh, to be young again.

  19. 19.

    Nicole

    I read The Beauty Myth in my early 20s and it was an important book to me then- I was in the throes of an eating disorder, and the days I would read some of the book I would allow myself to eat enough- it motivated me to treat myself kindly on those days.  It’s a shame to see what a complete nutjob NW has evolved into.  Maybe she always was and was just better at hiding it back then. I dunno.

    I might have a different opinion on the book now, reading it as a mature adult, but as a young woman, it really did make me think about how easily I was bending to societal pressures about what was considered attractive.

    I’m going to be really interested in the results of the J&J second jab study.  This is anecdotal, so not data at all, but my best friend got her first jab of either Moderna or Pfizer in mid January and caught Covid this month, during the waiting period for the 2nd dose.  Her whole household came down with it; she had the  mildest case in the house, though it was still more severe than my unvaccinated case in late Dec/early January was.  The other 3 household members all had to take trips to the hospital, one had to be admitted for pneumonia caused by the infection.

    So I’m very curious if the efficacy rates are linked to getting a booster a month after the first shot.  Her GP actually told her not to bother with the 2nd dose, since she’s now had Covid, but she’s still going back for it.  Won’t do her any harm, and hey, she’s already scheduled for it.

  20. 20.

    lowtechcyclist

    @rikyrah: ​

    @Mousebumples: ​
     

    Can’t speak to the specifics of New Jersey, but as a 65+ here in Maryland, it was a matter of checking the various sites – CVS, Walgreen’s, Giant, Safeway, Six Flags, etc. – over and over again until I hit paydirt. You get tired of clicking through various screens and telling them yes, you are in a priority group, and finally reaching the screen that tells you they ain’t got nothin’.

    But you gotta keep on trying; there’s no other way there. Thursday mid-morning, CVS had nothing available. Early afternoon, they did. I get my first shot in about an hour and a half.

  23. 23.

    Mousebumples

    @rikyrah:

    @lowtechcyclist:

    @HinTN:

    Thanks for the input all. Half of the trouble is that they aren’t getting specific as to what they’ve tried except “everywhere.” *facepalm* Not that it isn’t true but I agree with the needing to try everywhere all the time.

    6am yesterday i got an appointment for Tuesday at Walgreens for dose 1. Let’s do this!

  24. 24.

    Soprano2

    Hubby got his first shot of Moderna on Friday; he spent yesterday afternoon and evening under the covers trying to get warm, then having a fever of 101º. He and I both had Covid, and I’ve been told that if you’ve had it the chances of a reaction to the first shot are greater. I think I’ll be eligible in March; I’m already signed up everywhere I can.  Now I’ve gotta figure out how to take him off those other lists.

    As for not achieving herd immunity due to populations not wanting to be vaccinated, I figure after those who want it have had it the willingly unvaccinated can take their chances; people aren’t going to live like this forever just because of some idiots in places like Bumfuck, MO! We don’t restrict people now because of anti-vaxxers, why should we start doing it because of Covid?

  25. 25.

    Nicole

    @Soprano2: Thank you for the heads’ up about those having had Covid being susceptible to a more extreme reaction to the vaccine.  I guess it’s because our immune systems have already been prepped and are REALLY READY to go punch some Covid faces. ;)

  26. 26.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Soapdish: We go the same situation at work, people bailing right and left. One of the people who quit even made it clear they quitting because the next place is paying 20% more. So management’s solution is weekly lectures on what kind awful workers we are and hold up our job reviews.

  27. 27.

    sdhays

    @Soprano2: The problem with anti-vaxxers and herd immunity is that they’ve become so numerous that we can’t achieve herd immunity without some of them, and we need herd immunity to protect people who CAN’T get a vaccine for reasons that aren’t just in their heads.

    The kids getting measles because their parents decided that they didn’t need to be vaccinated aren’t the main problem (although the idea that they don’t have anything to worry about is wrong), it’s that they would then be infection vectors for much more vulnerable kids at their schools.

  30. 30.

    Sloane Ranger

    Yesterday in the UK we had 7434 new cases. This is a decrease of around 1100 from the day before and a reduction of 17.5% in the rolling 7-day average. The usual weekend warnings, however, apply to this and subsequent figures. The trend is definitely down though. New cases by nation,

    England – 6527 (down @800)

    Northern Ireland – 184 (down @60)

    Scotland – 525 (down @55)

    Wales – 198 (down @100).

    Deaths – There were 290 deaths within 28 days of a positive test yesterday. This is a decrease of 32.3% in the rolling 7-day average. Deaths by nation, England – 254, Northern Ireland – 2, Scotland – 18 and Wales – 16.

    Testing – Not updated at weekends.

    Hospitalisations – There were 14,808 people in hospital on Thursday, 25 February and 1971 on ventilators on Friday, 26th. The rolling 7-day average for hospital admissions has decreased by 22.2%.

    Vaccinations – On 26 February, a total of 19,682,048 people had received the 1st dose of a vaccine and 768,810 had received both doses. The UK Health Minister has just announced that over 20 million people have now received the 1st shot of a vaccine.

    General – Home testing kits are to be issued to households with school age children, teachers and support staff so they can test themselves regularly. The government hopes this will help control the virus once children re-start in person learning.

  31. 31.

    Unique uid

    @rikyrah: I would urge you to take a deeper look at J&J vaccine. I’m in the Ensemble2 trial for it, as others have said, timing might account for it’s lower efficacy.  Meanwhile a single dose and less freezer requirements might get it working faster.

    I’m pretty sure that globally, several billion black/brown/poor people would be well served by J&J.

  32. 32.

    Fair Economist

    @Soprano2: People who have already had COVID likely need only one dose of vaccine. It makes sense; having COVID should stimulate your immune system already; so the first shot in a previously infected patient is comparable to the second in an never-infected individual.

  33. 33.

    Fair Economist

    @Unique uid: As many in the media have pointed out, NONE of the 22,000 individuals who got the J&J vaccine were hospitalized or died. NONE. Maybe not as effective as the mRNA vaccines, but that’s still really, really good. It makes no sense to delay vaccination and risk dying to get a vaccine that’s perhaps more effective against milder cases, especially since it looks like we’ll be getting booster/update shots in the future anyway.

  34. 34.

    patrick II

    I was listeneng to a guest of Sean Hannity radio show on Friday, and she was still pointing out the wonders of Hydroxochloroquine and bemoaning that the news was hiding all of the terrible reactions and death of people who have taken a vaccine.

    At this point, I don’t get it.  Why?  The numbers are pretty clear the number of deaths and disease are going down.  Hydroxychloroquine has been shown to be useless.  This purposeful bad advice seems to border on murder — but it goes on.

  35. 35.

    Robert Sneddon

    @patrick II: Anti-vaccination and latterly COVID-19 denial is a religion — it has its priests declaiming from on high, it has totally erroneous gospels and holy writs, it has True Believers and it’s making money for somebody (not you though). Think of them as Christians with a cough.

  36. 36.

    Zelma

    @Mousebumples:

    I’m glad you found something.  I’m in Cape May County and there are only 4 sites here.  I check and check and I’m always told they are booked.  I’m highly eligible being in my upper 70s.  I managed an appointment in Atlantic City on March 19th.  I do not begrudge anyone their shot, but what has driven me bonkers is the randomness of the process.

  37. 37.

    mrmoshpotato

    @patrick II:

    she was still pointing out the wonders of Hydroxochloroquine and bemoaning that the news was hiding all of the terrible reactions and death of people who have taken a vaccine.

    At this point, I don’t get it.  Why?

    Can’t go back on the lie after their orange god jerked off to it?

    She’s a true believer dumbass?

    She bought stock in the drug?

  38. 38.

    Brachiator

    @Soapdish:

    Stout is angry because he says he needs more staff, but it’s nearly impossible to hire anyone. He estimates that 35 percent of his 650 employees companywide left in 2020. He blames enhanced unemployment insurance.

    Generally, you can’t just quit a job and get unemployment. And you have to look for work. But higher benefits may make it easier to avoid crappy jobs that don’t pay enough.

  40. 40.

    J R in WV

    @Soapdish: ​

    …but it’s nearly impossible to hire anyone.

    I spoke with a construction guy last spring after the tree fell on our roof, and he spouted this same nonsense, while unemployment is $600/month.

    If your guys would rather take that $600 Unemployment money than work for you, you aren’t paying enough by any standard. Or else you treat them like bad dogs.

    On the other hand, I’ve tried to hire guys over the past few years, and there aren’t many folks out there seeking work. Many people locally think it’s a narcotics problem, but I dunno myself.

    I would pay good money for a farm hand or handyman to help around the place, but have no takers.

  41. 41.

    randal m sexton

    @Judge: Having a shark sized bathtub might be difficult, and then getting the shark in the bathtub, DEFINITELY difficult.  The shooting the shark part might be easy, but wouldn’t that also put a hole in the bathtub, and the water would start leaking out ? And it has to be salt water too.   What kind of shark are we talking about anyways. A dog fish ? Or a whale shark?   I have questions….

  42. 42.

    MisterForkbeard

    @J R in WV: A big part of it is that people don’t want to job hunt during a pandemic. If they have a job, they frequently want to stay in that job.

    But again: If a small amount of unemployment is keeping people from working for you, you’re probably bot paying enough.

  43. 43.

    J R in WV

    @Brachiator:

    Here in WV the state Dept of Health and Human Resources has a web site where you sign up. After you complete the forms, a long web page of info, you get a follow up email / phone call / text (your preferred method of contact) — but then nothing whatsoever.

    Until some weeks later on the phone rang, and it was staff at the county Primary Care Clinic, the only large scale health provider in our rural county.

    Appointments for both of us later in the week, 70+ and wife with significant health issues, dunno if that made much difference, but there was a place on the form for meds and another for health issues, which I filled out with as much gory detail as I could muster up.

    So in WV, the DHHR web site works. It just doesn’t do any reassurance or updating — until they generate a list they send to the vaccination site where they want you to go for your shot, who then calls you — which is how it works here.

  44. 44.

    Soprano2

    @sdhays: I know that’s true; what I’m saying is that we won’t necessarily be able to wait for that to resume a more normal life. What if voluntary vaccination only gets us to 65% of the U.S. population being protected? Once it’s as easy as walking into the nearest CVS and getting the shot, I think it will be impossible for governments to refuse to lift restrictions. Quite frankly, most people won’t stand for it. We can’t let our lives be held hostage to the anti-Covid-vaxxers forever. Plus, I think a significant number of people have had Covid but never been tested; I personally know 3 who say they had the loss of taste and smell but never took a test. They most certainly had it.

  46. 46.

    Unique uid

    @Fair Economist: Apparently I didn’t explain myself well (I do that a lot).   Rikyrah was the one throwing shade on J&J.   Seemed to think it’s lower rating meant it was going to be foisted on the underprivileged.

    I was trying to say that research shows it is almost identical to the other two.  I’ll also say that people should take the first vaccine that is offered to them.

    Personally, I think enough of J&J vaccine to be a guinea pig for them. I drove 90 minutes to Detroit last week to take their shot. (or a placebo, who knows)

  47. 47.

    ColoradoGuy

    I think for rational people (yeah, I know) the protocol going forward will be vaccine + mask, most likely through 2022. Unless international air travel shuts down, or requires a vaccine certificate (more likely) we’ll all be waiting for the entire world to be vaccinated. If the Covidiots  are in a small enough minority, it won’t matter much. Sooner or later they will all get Covid-19, and that will confer some degree of immunity.

  48. 48.

    Ruckus

    @rikyrah:

    Wanna bet his initials are JK and his father in-law is known as shitforbrains and that the 20 million doses went to a country in the middle eastern region.

  49. 49.

    Ruckus

    @Platonicspoof:

    From my experience with the Pfizer vaccine, both shots, I had a significant reaction to the second shot, and that was not all that bad. I would not have wanted to go back to work the next day for sure, maybe even 2 days, but actual reaction, especially given the amount of protection I’m extremely likely to receive, was not all that severe.

    I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again if necessary.

  51. 51.

    Ruckus

    @patrick II:

    It is incredibly easy to be absolutely ignorant.

    It is just as easy to be informed completely ignorantly. There is an entire industry/political party whose entire concept of existence is to ignorantly inform people, to scare them into believing absolute crap so they will be subservient and scared ignorantly enough to continue to support them so that they can have power and money.  And it is a self fulfilling concept. Support them they grow. As they grow they have more money and therefore can purchase more support. At some point it will, like any cancer, take over or be wiped out. At this time we don’t know what medicine/procedure will eradicate the disease, so we go along, hoping that the self-defeating nature of the disease will slow it down enough.

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