Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

All this crying. this is why i don’t click on stuff.

I don’t care how fun he is after a few whiskies. fuck that guy.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

This blog will pay for itself.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

People are complicated. Love is not.

The willow is too close to the house.

I can’t take this shit today. I just can’t.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

Call the National Guard if your insurrection lasts more than four hours.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

The revolution will be supervised.

Saul Alinsky is my co-pilot.

We have all the best words.

Shocking, but not surprising

Hot air and ill-informed banter

Something seems odd about that, but i have been drinking.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Shelter in place is one thing. shelter in pants is quite another.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn – Nancy Pelosi

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  1. 1.

    NeenerNeener

    Monroe County, NY yesterday:

    New cases = 112. Reported deaths at 1108. Positivity at 2.1%
    225 cases in the hospital, 59 in the ICU
    41% hospital beds available, 37% ICU beds available. It looks like it’s trending more males than females for the last few weeks. Through November, December and most of January it was more females than males.

    Niece still had a headache on the 2nd day after her 2nd shot; she’s prone to migraines but that may not be related.

  2. 2.

    rikyrah

    Thank you for the information.

    I realize that I am going to be bitter for a long time because of COVID.

    Bitter at an Administration that chose not to do what was best for the country.

    And all the evil azz muthaphuckas 😡 who supported it.

  4. 4.

    R-Jud

    I appreciate the subtle shade of “haircuts won’t be available until April 12” juxtaposed with that picture of Boris “What’s Latin for ‘Haystack’?” Johnson.

  5. 5.

    YY_Sima Qian

    On 2/22 China reported 0 new domestic confirmed & 0 new domestic asymptomatic cases.

    Hebei Province

    Hebei Provincial Health Commission reported that 7 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are currently 138 domestic confirmed cases (121 moderate and 17 mild) & 9 domestic asymptomatic cases in the province:

    • At Xingtai, 7 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are currently 14 domestic confirmed cases in the city.
    • At Shijiazhuang, there are 124 confirmed cases & 9 asymptomatic cases.

     

    Heilongjiang Province

    Heilongjiang Provincial Health Commission reported that 3 domestic confirmed cases recovered & 2 domestic asymptomatic cases were released from isolation. There are currently 9 domestic confirmed (9 moderate and 1 mild) & 20 domestic asymptomatic cases in the province.:

    • At Suihua, 3 confirmed cases recovered & 1 domestic asymptomatic cases were released from isolation. There are currently 9 domestic confirmed & 14 domestic asymptomatic cases there.
    • At Harbin, 1 domestic asymptomatic cases was released from isolation. There are currently 6 asymptomatic cases there.

     

    Jilin Province 

    Jilin Provincial Heath Commission reported that 4 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are currently 27 domestic confirmed (1 critical, 18 moderate and 8 mild) & 4 domestic asymptomatic cases:

    • At Tonghua, 3 domestic confirmed cases recovered. There are currently 26 domestic confirmed & 2 domestic asymptomatic cases in the city.
    • At Changchun, 1 domestic confirmed case recovered. There are currently 2 domestic1confirmed & 2 domestic asymptomatic cases in the city.

     

    Imported Cases

    On 2/22 China reported 10 new imported confirmed cases, 9 imported asymptomatic cases:

    • Guangzhou in Guangdong Province – 9 confirmed case, 4 Chinese nationals returning from the UAE and 1 each from Saudi Arabia, Tanzania (via Nairobi), the Netherlands, Nigeria (via Nairobi) & Zimbabwe (via Nairobi); 7 asymptomatic cases, 1 Chinese national each returning from the Ukraine (via Amsterdam Schiphol), France, Indonesia, Cameroon (via Dubai), Zambia (via Dubai) Nicaragua (via Mexico City & Paris CdG), & Dominican Republic (via Paris CdG)
    • Taiyuan in Shanxi Province – 1 confirmed case, a Chinese national returning from Poland, off a flight diverted from Beijing
    • Yunnan Province (location not specified) – 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national returning from the Myanmar (via land border crossing)
    • Chengdu in Sichuan Province – 1 asymptomatic case, a Chinese national returning from Ethiopia

     

    Overall in China, 37 confirmed cases recovered, 16 asymptomatic cases were released from isolation and none were reclassified as confirmed cases, and 250 individuals were released from quarantine. Currently, there are 374 active confirmed cases in the country (174 imported), 1 is in critical/serious condition (none imported), 302 asymptomatic cases (266 imported), 1 suspect case (imported). 8,002 traced contacts are currently under centralized quarantine.

    On 2/23 Hong Kong reported 12 new cases, 1 imported (from Pakistan) & 11 domestic (3 of whom do not yet have source of infection identified). There are another 10+ cases preliminarily positive, awaiting retesting for confirmation.

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    Malaysia’s daily Covid-19 numbers. Director-General of Health Dr Noor Hisham Abdullah reports 2,468 new cases today in his media statement, for a cumulative reported total of 288,229 cases. He also reports 14 new deaths today, for a cumulative total of 1,076 deaths — 0.37% of the cumulative reported total, 0.42% of resolved cases.

    There are currently 30,475 active and contagious cases; 196 are in ICU, 92 of them intubated. Meanwhile, 4,055 patients recovered and were discharged, for a cumulative total of 256,678 patients recovered – 89.05% of the cumulative reported total.

    13 new clusters were reported today: Digital Lapan building site, Jalan Wawasan 16, Jalan Cyber Sembilan, and Jalan Tebrau Pandan in Johor; Jalan Damai, Jalan Serendah, and Subang Tiga in Selangor; Jalan Setiawangsa and Jalan Bayam in Kuala Lumpur; Jalan Ekar building site in Negeri Sembilan; Jalan PKNK 3/3 in Kedah; Taman Mawar in Sabah; and Jalan Muhibbah in Sarawak.

    Taman Mawar and Jalan Muhibbah are community clusters. The rest are all workplace clusters.

    2,464 new cases today are local infections. Selangor reports 930 local cases: 135 in older clusters; 37 in Jalan Damai, Jalan Serendah, and Subang Tiga clusters; 407 close-contact screenings; and 351 other screenings. Johor reports 428 cases: 44 in older clusters; 148 in Digital Lapan building site, Jalan Wawasan 16, Jalan Cyber Sembilan, and Jalan Tebrau Pandan clusters; 145 close-contact screenings; and 91 other screenings. Perak reports 308 cases: 296 in existing clusters, nine close-contact screenings, and three other screenings.

    Kuala Lumpur reports 155 cases: seven in older clusters, 54 in Jalan Setiawangsa and Jalan Bayam clusters, 30 close-contact screenings, and 64 other screenings. Penang also reports 155 cases: 77 in existing clusters, 42 close-contact screenings, and 36 other screenings. Sarawak reports 133 cases: 62 in older clusters, 17 in Jalan Muhibbah cluster, 19 close-contact screenings, and 35 other screenings. Negeri Sembilan reports 100 cases: 33 in older clusters, 41 in Jalan Ekar building site cluster, 21 close-contact screenings, and five other screenings.

    Kelantan reports 96 cases: 55 in existing clusters, 30 close-contact screenings, and 11 other screenings. Sabah reports 94 cases: 17 in older clusters, 15 in Taman Mawar cluster, 32 close-contact screenings, and 30 other screenings.

    Melaka reports 22 cases: six in existing clusters, 14 close-contact screenings, and two other screenings. Kedah reports 15 cases: four in older clusters, two in Jalan PKNK 3/3 cluster, five close-contact screenings, and four other screenings. Pahang reports 11 cases: two in existing clusters, six close-contact screenings, and three other screenings.

    Terengganu reports nine cases: five in existing clusters, one close-contact screening, and three other screenings. Labuan reports four local cases: two close-contact screenings, and two other screenings. And Putrajaya reports four cases, all close-contact screenings.

    Perlis reports no new cases today.

    Four new cases today are imported: two in Selangor, and two in Labuan.

    The deaths reported today are a 69-year-old woman with hypertension, dyslipidaemia, hyperthyroidism, and heart disease; a 57-year-old woman in Selangor, DOA with diabetes; a 69-year-old man in Selangor with hypertension, dyslipidaemia, and gout; a 68-year-old man in Selangor with diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease; a 51-year-old man in Selangor with chronic kidney disease, hypertension, stroke, and heart disease; a 77-year-old woman in Selangor with diabetes, hypertension, dyslipidaemia, hyperthyroidism, and heart disease; a 30-year-old man in Johor with tuberculosis; a 37-year-old man in Selangor with diabetes, hypertension, and chronic kidney disease; a 42-year-old man in Sarawak with no co-morbidities listed; a 50-year-old woman in Selangor, DOA with hypertension; a 74-year-old woman in Selangor with diabetes, hypertension, and hyperparathyroidism; a 76-year-old man in Sarawak with Parkinson’s disease; a 55-year-old man in Sabah, DOA with diabetes, hypertension, dyslipidaemia, hyperthyroidism, and chronic kidney disease; and a 50-year-old non-Malaysian man in Selangor, DOA with no co-morbidities listed.

  7. 7.

    Mary G

    @rikyrah: Come sit by me, six feet away, outside, with masks. I get more bitter as time goes on. Every time I see a Republican politician in a mask, I see red, because if they had stood up to the Former Guy and their craziest constituents a year ago and said, get over yourselves, we are our brothers’ and sisters’ keepers, cover your nose and mouth already, what a difference it would’ve made. So many Americans have died due to their sheer cowardice. As soon as the Former Guy checked out, they all showed up in masks like nothing had ever been different. Pence in particular has so much blood on his hands because he couldn’t prioritize people over politics, and told so many lies about PPE and tests and sunshine and lollipops

    ETA: The OC only had 253 new cases today, hospitalizations are the lowest since July and ICU numbers have finally started dropping. Averages still the same, but I would think they will start down soon if we don’t screw this up. As far as I know, the shipments from last week came in and housemate and I will get our second shots on Thursday. New York, Iowa, and Europe look worse than I thought they would right now.

  9. 9.

    mrmoshpotato

    she doesn’t know when or how she’ll be able to get the coronavirus vaccine

    Has she tried yelling “I’m John McCain’s daughter!” at anyone and everyone? Did Whoopi give her the side eye of a lifetime?

  10. 10.

    Amir Khalid

    Has it not occurred to Meghan McCain that Dr Fauci is not to blame if she can’t cut the line to get vaccinated? He’s not in charge of who gets vaccinated first, anywhere in America.

  13. 13.

    OzarkHillbilly

    “The fact that I, Meghan McCain, co-host of The View, don’t know when or how I will be able to get a vaccine because the rollout for my age range and my health is so nebulous, I have no idea when and how I get it,”

    The real problem here is that somebody as idiotic as she is co-host of a TV show. Who knew stupid could pay so well.

  16. 16.

    Platonicspoof

    Sixth blockquote, Craig Spencer hopes “Soon, we will heal”. I do too, and I’m sure he’s aware of the Long Haul direct health costs, however this summary of an NBER working paper (not peer reviewed, revised Jan. 2021) points out more potential long term deaths:

    The economists predict that, over the next 10 years, pandemic-related unemployment could cause about 460,000 excess deaths in the United States, on top of the number of people killed by COVID-19 itself.

     

    Past studies have shown that unemployment can increase mortality rates by decreasing use of preventive care, increasing the suicide rate, and increasing the odds people will die from cardiovascular disease, the economists write.

  21. 21.

    mrmoshpotato

    Johnson said the government’s plan would move the country “cautiously but irreversibly” out of lockdown.

    “We are now traveling on a one-way road to freedom,” he said at a televised news conference.

    “cautiously but irreversibly” Huh? You wanna slap that on the side of a big red bus, BoJo?

    “one-way road to freedom” Oh dude. Tempt that fate!

  23. 23.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @MagdaInBlack: May I introduce you to my corporate Market Managers?

    I’ll take a hard pass. Some of the superintendents I’ve had to work with…

    ETA Old saying in the Air Force: “Screw up and move up.” Probably true just about anywhere.

  24. 24.

    Sloane Ranger

    Yesterday in the UK we had 10,641 new cases. This is an increase of about 800 from the day before (probably hold over from weekend reporting delays) but a decrease of 11.1% in the rolling 7-day average. New cases by nation,

    England – 9420 (up @1000)
    Northern Ireland – 187 (down @70)
    Scotland -715 (down @110)
    Wales – 319 (down 27).

    Deaths – There were 178 deaths within 28 days of a positive test yesterday, which is a decrease in the rolling 7-day average of 26.9%. New deaths by nation, England – 165, Northern Ireland – 4, Scotland – 0 and Wales – 9.

    Testing – 590,591 tests were conducted on Sunday, 21 February out of a capacity of 742,393. This is a reduction in the rolling 7-day average of 12.5%.

    Hospitalisations – On Thursday, 18 February there were 18,462 people in hospital. There were 2469 people on ventilators on Friday, 19th. The rolling 7-day average for hospital admissions had declined by 20.9%.

    Vaccinations – As of 21st February, 17,723,840 people had received the 1st shot of a vaccine and 624,325 both shots.

    General – Boris Johnson has announced the timetable for re-opening England. It is as follows,

    8 March – Schools re-open and 2 people can meet up in a park and eat and drink together.
    29 March – Outdoor gatherings of up to 6 people or 2 households will be allowed. Outdoor sports facilities will re-open.
    12 April – providing the above steps have not led to increased hospitalisations, non-essential retail e.g. hairdressers and services such as libraries can re-open. As can beer gardens and other outdoor activities. In addition, indoor leisure facilities will also re-open. Also, self-contained holiday accommodation. Social distancing measures will continue. This is the earliest a review of international travel restrictions will take place.
    17 May – most social contact rules outside to be lifted. 6 people or 2 households can meet indoors. Indoor hospitality and hotels re-open.
    21 June – End of all rules on social contact. Re-opening of any businesses not already open.

    Tory backbenchers are unhappy, they wanted the re-opening to go faster.

  25. 25.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Amir Khalid: ​
     

    I’m told that BoJo doesn’t believe in combing hair, either.

    And AP Europe really wants your eyeballs to know that! BoJo’s tangled mess of umm…hair? Ow! My eyes!

  26. 26.

    debbie

    So Joe’s surpassed the daily goal of one million vaccinations in one day, well ahead of the 100-day mark he set for himself. And with crappy winter weather!

  28. 28.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Sloane Ranger: ​

    21 June – End of all rules on social contact. Re-opening of any businesses not already open.

    So every man, woman, child, dogs, cats, ferrets, guniea pigs… in the UK will be fully vaccinated by 11:59PM June 20?​

  29. 29.

    Robert Sneddon

    @Amir Khalid: ​
     
    BoJo does actually comb his hair but he tousles it up when he appears in public as it’s his signature look, a bit like Donald Trump’s orange makeup and combover.

  30. 30.

    Martin

    OC is opening up Phase 1B tomorrow – so educators are now eligible.

    That means I can get a shot, but I’m going to wait until there aren’t supply issues since I’m not in a classroom. I can wait.

  31. 31.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Martin: I would not wait if I was in a similar situation, because when it came time that I couldn’t wait any longer, I might be forced to.

  32. 32.

    Martin

    @debbie: The real goal is 3M per day. That’s what we’ll need to hit to stay ahead of the variants.

    That supply should exist in about a months time – the challenge will be staffing up to be able to administer that many. That’s why Joe is pushing FEMA and the Natl Guard to help.

  33. 33.

    Platonicspoof

    Commentary from The Lancet on the many uncertainties in predicting future scenarios of the pandemic:

    Vaccines alone, unless they achieve high population coverage, offer long-lasting protection, and are effective in preventing both SARS-CoV-2 transmission and COVID-19, will not end the pandemic or allow the world to return to “business as usual”. Until high levels of global vaccine-mediated protection are achieved across the world, it could be catastrophic if measures such as mask wearing, physical distancing, and hand hygiene are relaxed prematurely.

    People like Meghan McCain need to understand that the remedies for the pandemic problem, like most problems, are long and complicated.

  35. 35.

    Martin

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, I hear you. But I see Biden’s plan here, and I’m confident it’ll get executed. I can work from home for an indefinite period, and I’m confident that a month from now it’ll be widely available.

  38. 38.

    Martin

    @rikyrah: Normally for situations like this, you administer the vaccines in the school because they are orders of magnitude more efficient at doing so than anyone else.

    Also harder for the parents to opt their kid out when the default situation is that the school will give them the shot on a given day.

    But the school doesn’t want to have to deal with tracking every kids vaccination card brought in by mom and dad whenever. They’d much rather just line everyone up and give them the shot, and check their name off the list. It’s better for everyone that way.

  39. 39.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Martin: Here in Misery, the only thing I am confident of is that if things can get fucked up, they will get fucked up. The only question being, how badly?

  40. 40.

    Mary G

    WOOT! Email just in:

    Dear Mary:

    Your COVID-19 vaccination appointment for February 25 is confirmed.

    Time: 03:45:00PM
    Location : Anaheim Convention Center: 800 W Katella Avenue, Anaheim, CA 92802

    #2 in sight, though I will keep doing pretty much the same thing I’ve been doing.

  41. 41.

    Martin

    @raven: Nah, I’m just a govt employee. My job has always been about getting students in classrooms and making classrooms work as well as possible. Me getting a shot now doesn’t further that goal, and might undermine it.

  42. 42.

    rikyrah

    @Martin:

    I want those studies for the vaccine and children .

    Peanut is 12.

    By the end of March, all of the adults closest to her will be vaccinated.

    I don’t want to send her back to in-person instruction before she can get vaccinated, but how long will that be?

    I am so conflicted. I am seeing how the isolation is affecting her. I remember when I was that age .

  44. 44.

    Amir Khalid

    @Sloane Ranger:

    BoJo’s plan looks backwards to me. I would be happier if it focused on criteria for re-opening, rather than on dates. If you arrive at a date as infections are spiking, for instance, do you still re-open? I would not dare.

  45. 45.

    Martin

    @OzarkHillbilly: Things here in CA get fucked up too, but I can usually count on the government actively working to prevent that. They don’t always succeed, but they pretty much always try. And being a cog in that machine, I can help it not get fucked up.

  46. 46.

    Robert Sneddon

    @Martin: At the moment none of the vaccines being deployed have been tested on under-16-year-olds. Some young people in that age bracket have been vaccinated but they’re usually suffering from specific illnesses that, it is thought, would cause severe problems if they caught COVID-19.

    I think some of the vaccine producers are starting trials on under-16s but I don’t know the details.

  47. 47.

    Ken

    I looked at the NPR article on trends in each state. Does anyone know what happened in Iowa?  Cases almost everywhere else are declining, or increasing slightly, but Iowa had a jump from around 700/day to over 4000.

    Alaska and Wyoming also had large percentage increases, but that was on a baseline of under a hundred.

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I have not bought or used a comb in many years. My barber (i.e. me) cuts my hair with the 3cm spacer on the trimmer, so it stays too short  to be combed.

  50. 50.

    Robert Sneddon

    @Amir Khalid: BoJo has stated that the defined dates for re-opening of sports facilities, shops etc. are only going to apply if specific criteria on the R number, spread, hospitalisations, vaccinations etc. are met. What he doesn’t want to do is re-open pubs and hotels and then have to close them yet again if the infection rates spike so he’s listening to the scientific experts on this.

    Dealing with this pandemic is a politician’s job. It’s a people problem, not strictly a medical problem because people won’t do what the experts tell them to, not all of them and in some cases they will actively oppose and obstruct recommended and mandated measures meant to control the spread of the disease.

  51. 51.

    Amir Khalid

    @Robert Sneddon: ​
     The Health Ministry here is saying that for now, expectant and nursing mothers should wait to get vaccinated. Presumably until either the baby is weaned, or until evidence comes in that says it’s safe.

  53. 53.

    Robert Sneddon

    @Amir Khalid: The general advice from the UK’s medical health organisations is that nursing mothers, pregnant women and women intending to get pregnant in the next three months or so should not get vaccinated as a precaution. As far as I know there have been no adverse reactions reported by the vaccine testing programmes in cases where women were vaccinated while pregnant but they’re being ultra-careful in such cases.

  54. 54.

    Nelle

    @Ken: in Iowa, the guv again changed the way the data is presented.  Not sure I get it, but if she scrambles the data often enough (she does this about once a month), everything is meaningless and she is free, she thinks, to assert her own fantasies and imaginings.  There is real dissertation material in examining the manipulation of data.  My husband’s dissertation was a long ago study of social management of technology.  This would be political management of data.

  55. 55.

    citizen dave

    @Platonicspoof: So many comments beating me to it, but I saw a short clip of Miss Princess on tv last night saying this, and was taken aback by the combination of stupidity and ignorance.  Having her on a show like that is a disservice to a civilized nation.  I watched the minute clip of Dr. Fauci talking to Pres. Biden and was thinking about it afterward–what a great combination of scientific understanding at the highest level, with being able to explain an issue in simpler terms.  So many science people can do this, we should celebrate and encourage science.

    “People like Meghan McCain need to understand that the remedies for the pandemic problem, like most problems, are long and complicated.”

    For sure!  I hated the clip of WH press asking for a timeline on “return to normal”.  No one can predict what is going to happen.  You set goals to get everyone moving in the same direction.  The results depend on all of our actions.

  56. 56.

    grandmaBear

    Here in rural SW Ohio, schools are mostly open and almost fully attended, I think, but parents could opt out. School districts could decide individually, and cities are more likely to still be schooling remotely. From what I’ve seen and heard, they’re quite good at taking temps, sending anyone home who’s showing symptoms, maintaining separation, and requiring masks (the g’kids are so used to wearing them all day they sometimes forget to take them off when they get home). There have been a few cases, mostly high school, where they’ve sent everyone home for a while, but actually few problems.  The state allowed 70 and up and K-12 teachers to vaccinate as of Feb 1st. My g’kids school staff all got theirs last week. I haven’t paid attention to how much testing may be down here, so hard to gauge, but hospitalizations are definitely down. When I have been out, masking has been very consistent (though I haven’t been to Tractor Supply or Kroger for almost a year now).

    I think it’s a hard choice who to prioritize. Does a healthy twenty something teacher go ahead of a 60 year old or a grocery clerk with co-morbidities? I think logically perhaps not if you are weighing risk of death, but logistically it makes it harder to administer if you have to sort out who qualifies (especially if that requires a doctor’s referral). With the teachers, they closed the school for a day and just did everyone (who wanted one).

    I’m scheduled for my 2nd in 2 weeks, so I’m feeling a little more confident, but I think I’m going to be distancing and wearing a mask for some time.

  57. 57.

    Sloane Ranger

    @mrmoshpotato:

     

    So every man, woman, child, dogs, cats, ferrets, guniea pigs… in the UK will be fully vaccinated by 11:59PM June 20?​

    No. But every high risk group will be. The aim in England isn’t to destroy COVID-19 (although if we do, great), its to stop lots of hospitalisations and death. Basically, get serious cases down to a normal flu season level.

  58. 58.

    Ruckus

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    As others have noticed, stupid can pay off, the stupid is moved up in the ranks so as to actually have to do nothing. They earn a living and get to act superior while everyone below them just ignores their dumb asses. If you left them where actual decisions had to be made life would be a disaster. The only problem is that monetary distribution has not kept up with the idea of paying for actual intellectual thought and still pays by job title, and the more pompous the title, the higher the pay range. Which of course means the people doing the actual work get paid doodly squat.

  60. 60.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Sloane Ranger:

    Basically, get serious cases down to a normal flu season level.

    I hope that’s possible by June for all of you.  And hopefully some variant doesn’t go “Surprise!” over the summer.

    ETA – it’s really the set dates instead of just saying “We’re going to follow the science.” that make me look at the UK plan and go “I hope that works out.”

    Because you can be sure of complaints if the schedule is derailed.

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