I have a meeting set up with the site developers to talk with them TOMORROW about the problem/issue that appeared when Firefox came out with version 85.0.
You guys can help.
The latest version of Firefox that I am aware of is 85.0.2 – is there a later one than that? If so, can you confirm that the problem is either resolved (unlikely) or still there?
I need you guys to help clarify the situation so I can describe very clearly what happens with visual mode. Are the following 4 statements true?
Commenting defaults to Visual mode.
I believe that you do not have a cursor in the comment box, so it is not possible to type even a single character.
I believe that is the case whether you are attempting to reply to another comment or you are trying to create a new comment.
I believe that if click the Text tab, then you are able to type a comment both in the reply box and in the comment box.
Does the comment box in Text mode work as it normally does? Is that true in the reply box and in the comment box?
I have seen some comments about text fragments showing up, maybe something related to tiny MCE? I need you guys to clearly describe what’s happening there, exactly what the text fragments say, whether the text fragments show up every time or just sometimes. Can someone get a screen capture and send it to me?
Update: please specify your operating system and device in your replies.
LongHairedWeirdo
I’m able to use the visual editor at this time – but only as a new comment so far. I’ll try replying.
LongHairedWeirdo
@LongHairedWeirdo:
The visual did not work, when I replied; I had to go to text.
85.02 is the latest build, at least for Windows (and I don’t think they stagger releases on a per-OS basis, but I’ve been wrong before).
WaterGirl
@LongHairedWeirdo: Can you consistently use visual mode for a new comment that is not a reply? But you have to use text mode if you reply?
Or does it come and go?
matt the semi-reasonable
@LongHairedWeirdo: comment replies seem to work fine in 85.02 on mac
LongHairedWeirdo
@LongHairedWeirdo:
Okay, this is truly weird, and hasn’t happened for a while. *THIS* comment, alone, has the visual (and text) boxes working “the way they always did”. And, the text has a lot fewer instructions (by instructions, I meant tags – blockquote, nonbreaking space, etc.).
WaterGirl
@matt the semi-reasonable: In visual mode? Does it work fine for you if you reply to this comment?
Barbara
Default to visual, click text and can comment. Will try reply.
WaterGirl
So when you have to use text mode, are both the visual and text tabs there, it’s just that you can’t type anything if the visual tag is selected?
Barbara
@Barbara: replying to myself and it still defaults to visual but I can comment normally. This isn’t always the case. Seems kind of random.
Barbara
@WaterGirl:
correctamundo
Jim, Foolish Literalist
my cat’s name is Mittens
LongHairedWeirdo
@WaterGirl: Not consistently. I just opened a random post[1], and when I tried to add a comment, it was the same as the problem description: no cursor, no ability to enter text (because, “no cursor”). That’s why it croggled me when my reply to a reply worked normally, in both visual, and text, mode.
Man, this is why I work on database engines… this web application stuff is *hard*.
[1] in case it matters/helps: https://balloon-juice.com/2021/02/18/thursday-morning-open-thread-theres-snow-and-theres-call-it-flackery/
dmsilev
85.02 on Mac. I don’t usually use Firefox, but have it for occasional testing purposes. WIth this new comment, I can’t type in the Visual field, but Text works. Switching to Visual with the partially-written comment shows a completely empty box.
Edit: Same is true when trying to edit. Text works, Visual has an empty box that can’t be typed in.
sherparick
HI: You appear to have captured it in your summary. I was wondering what had happen last week & just stumbled on to manually clicking text to get the cursor in the comment box.
Roger Moore
I’m using 85.0.2. The visual comment box sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t. When it doesn’t, I can still comment using the text box. This seems to happen whether it’s an initial comment or a reply.
LongHairedWeirdo
Okay, somewhat interesting note: if I click on a random post, I may or may not be able to respond to the post (not to a comment) with the ‘visual’ tab selected. So far, every time I’ve done a shift-refresh (refresh, ignoring the web cache), it has allowed me to use the visual tab.
WaterGirl
Is there any pattern to it?
Say, your first comment works normally with visual mode, then after that it doesn’t work?
Or it works if the first thing you do is a reply, or the first thing you do is a new comment?
If anyone is willing to test, what happens if you close this thread and then open again in a new window or a new tab? Does that make a difference?
Amir Khalid
@LongHairedWeirdo:
I’m on Win10 and Firefox, both auto-updated. I find that visual mode works intermittently — once in a while, I do get a cursor and I can type my comment — but most of the time, it does not.
WaterGirl
@LongHairedWeirdo: That is super helpful.
Can anyone else try that and see if you get the same result?
Suzanne
Can we have a #FledCruz thread, please?
I’m so excited to dunk on this asshole.
NotMax
Maybe can address at the same time the line spacing anomaly when viewing with FF which showed up when the site rebuild went live (multiple iterations of FF ago).
Roger Moore
@WaterGirl:
I have not been able to find any pattern to it.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore: That’s pretty much how it works on Edge/Chrome, most of the time when you enter a thread, writing either a new comment or reply, you get a text mode only box(not visual mode or the option to change to visual mode), hitting the refresh to change(the blue link above the comment box) will bring up the comment window in visual mode with the text tab. It’s especially annoying when replying to a comment.
Roger Moore
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
That’s not what we’re complaining about; the “no visual mode” glitch has been around for a while. Firefox has a different glitch where you get the visual mode box, but there’s no cursor so you can’t edit text in it.
One thing I will say is that I’ve noticed that it’s not just the lack of a cursor. If you edit using the text mode and switch back to visual mode, the text doesn’t show up in the visual mode box. It’s completely borked.
LongHairedWeirdo
I’m able to get a cursor in the visual box sometimes on comments, sometimes on replies, but it *is* intermittent (worst kind of software issue!). So far, though, a shift-refresh has always enabled to visual box.
Seanly
Infrequent but longtime poster. Chrome was acting like shit on a machine so I switched to Firefox. That laptop has since had it’s battery expand & popped the case (aka not good), but that’s not germane to this topic.Anyway, I am posting this from Firefox 85.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10 Home V 10.01.18363
Everything looked okay on my original post on the visual box, but then I tried to edit it & had to switch to text instead of visual.
Another Scott
85.02 is the latest “release” version, at least on Winders. There is a developer’s page with all kinds of newer versions, including a “nightly” build – https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/desktop/
I just updated FF on Win10 Pro (up to date), let it update FF to 85.02. uBlock Origin running.
Go to B-J. Down to comment (this comment).
Both editor tabs are shown, but the cursor does not appear in the Visual tab. I’m posting this using the Text tab. Clicking the “click here to refresh” link above the editor box didn’t change anything – still no cursor in edit box.
(Earlier experiments with uBlock Origin turned off didn’t behave any differently, but I’ll see after posting this.)
HTH a little!
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: Feel free to dunk away in this thread. There is also major dunking going on in Anne Laurie’s post just before this one.
Another Scott
@Another Scott: Replying with UBO turned off in FF 85.02 in Winders. In the visual tab. Works.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@Roger Moore:
That is super helpful to know, also. Any and all details will be helpful.
edit: Like all the cops say on TV – no detail is too small!
Seanly
@Another Scott:
Testing the reply button. I saw no cursor in the visual window on Firefox 85.0.2 (64-bit). It kept my nym & email at the comment form & when I replied.
Lyrebird
MacBook Pro, High Sierra 10.13.6
Firefox 85.0.2
Using the Leave a Comment box is currently working fine; I haven’t been able to use Visual mode to reply lately, though, just as you describe. I will try to reply to this and see what happens.
mvr
@Roger Moore:
So as a reply I can only respond in text mode. I also have 85.02. I did alright last night or the night before just commenting and I think it was not a reply and I think I used visual mode.
Skepticat
I have no issues running Firefox 85.0.2 on a MacBook Pro with Big Sur 11.2.1, both which I recently updated.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: Yes, helpful!
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: UBO? Never mind, U Block Origin.
Does have U Block Origin turned off consistently make it work?
Lyrebird
@Lyrebird: Working fine today to comment in Visual mode. Did spend the last several days having to use Text mode.
I’m fine either way, I am happy to type in HTML etc, just wanted to add in this data point.
Another Scott
@Another Scott:
Was going to post a New comment with UBO turned off. Again, no cursor in the Visual tab.
So I thought I would Reply (this reply) with UBO turned off. Again, no cursor in the Visual tab. Working ok in the Text tab.
It looks like UBO is not a cause of the strangeness.
HTH a little.
Cheers,
Scott.
Nukular Biskits
Well, I wonder if this explains why my comments never appeared yesterday (or was it Tuesday?)
Running FF 85.0.2 … but I also run NoScript.
counterfactual
@LongHairedWeirdo: test test
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: BWAHAHAAAHAAAAAA I just can’t get over what a dumbfuck he is.
counterfactual
modified test: Firefox 85.02 on MacOS Catalina 10.15.7, can reply in visual mode, but in new comment have no cursor.
WaterGirl
@Nukular Biskits: I often have to manually approve your comments. So they do appear, but you may not see them because sometimes it takes awhile to notice the comment needs to be approved.
I just checked your email address to see if you had a funky made-up email address, which sometimes throws someone into moderation. Your email looks okay, but you have a funky URL in the URL field. Clear out the URL and we’ll see whether that makes your comments show up without manual approval.
mvr
Currently I can’t find a cursor or a way to type in the comment box at the bottom either unless I hit the text tab. So tonight its only text mode that works either as a reply or just as a comment. I had a problem a while ago with this too, but in between it worked for at least one day.
counterfactual
@LongHairedWeirdo:
@WaterGirl: that worked for me, replying to LongHairedWeirdo’s comment about it.
Oh, extensions running are UBlock Origin and Video Downloadhelper.
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: “I knew as soon as someone criticized me that this was a bad idea.” Genius!
I am furious that they left the dog at home in a freezing house, unattended. How was the dog supposed to eat, drink and go to the fucking bathroom???
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: Mr. Suzanne and I keep looking at one another and busting out laughing at what a total lying dumbfuck he is. And he got ratted out by family on the group text! BWAHAHAHAAAAA!
And he looked super-gross in the airport in Cancun.
Although now Mr. Suzanne and I really want to go to Cancun. LOL.
frosty
@WaterGirl: this is a test… Default to Visual for reply, seems OK.
iPhone SE Firefox Daylight 30.0 for iOS.
Suzanne
I hope he has to just eat so much shit, every day for the rest of his life, for being dumb dumb dumb.
WaterGirl
@frosty: Are you on Firefox 85.0, 85.01 or 85.02? Firefox users didn’t have this issue until they released 85.0.
JeanneT
FWIW, under ‘leave a comment’, BJ defaults to visual and is functional: I’m running Firefox 85.0.2 on a 2013 model iMac, OS 10.13.6.
Switching to Text also works. I can move from one to the other and type in both.
I always run AdGuard with Firefox, if that tells anyone anything
NotMax
@Suzanne
Can barely make out where the beach is through the procession of caravans brandishing ¡Viva Biden! signs.
//
Uncle Cosmo
FarFawks 85.0.2, Windows 7 (yeah I know). Right now (in this non-reply comment) Visual is working.One problem I have noted is that if one must edit a post in Text mode, the formatting is likely to be borked afterwards. E.g., line breaks disappear. I’m going to post this, then try to edit. Will report below:OK, I had to edit in Text mode – no cursor in Visual window. This is one new paragraph.Here is another new paragraph.Here is a third new paragraph. Let’s see what transpires…
Wouldn’t you know the sumbidge decided to behave itself. Grrrr….
And now it’s not behaving itself. GRRRRRR…..
Nukular Biskits
@WaterGirl:
I have two different emails so, whatever pops up in the auto-complete depends on what browser I’m using (this is Edge).
The funky URL is probably my fault: I put “N/A” as I didn’t have a website. Working for DoD for over 30 years, I’m conditioned to not leave boxes blank … LOL!
I cleared it for this post
I’ll fire Firefox back up and enable all the scripting and try again … without the “N/A”.
WaterGirl
@JeanneT: I think it works fine on a Mac with Firefox. Can anyone else with a Mac and Firefox test that?
matt the somewhat reasonable
oh visual mode. sorry, I didn’t read closely enough earlier.
yep, I see this bug on mac big sur, firefox 85.02.
no cursor in visual mode. clicking in doesn’t give you a cursor.
WaterGirl
@Nukular Biskits: This post came through just fine, so leave the URL field blank. :-) In both your browsers.
matt the somewhat reasonable
OK, let me revise my recent bug report. After clicking the ‘click here to refresh’, now I have a cursor in visual mode and can post.
Mary G
@Suzanne: It is an excellent opportunity for schadenfreude. Going radio silent all night. The changing stories. Two of the wife’s friends showing texts to the FTFNYT.
I’ve also been wondering if the child shown on the plane is one of his daughters. She’s clutching a Styrofoam cup of ramen noodles that costs 34 cents at the grocery store here. I know because the teen used to eat massive numbers of them. Can they not give her something more healthy or at least a bit more expensive, or is it owning Michelle Obama?
WaterGirl
@matt the somewhat reasonable: Some people are saying that clicking “click here to refresh” above the comment box does NOT help.
Can everybody weigh in on that?
matt the somewhat reasonable
but then after posting and trying the same sequence again, there’s no cursor in visual mode and the ‘click here to refresh’ still didn’t give me a cursor in visual mode. it worked one time but not a different time.
HalfAssedHomesteader
85.0.1, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, Laptop.
matt the somewhat reasonable
But then after posting that time I started with a cursor in visual mode LOL. funny bug.
WaterGirl
@matt the somewhat reasonable: That’s helpful to know, thanks.
Bill Arnold
Working fine today, FF 85.0.1 64 bit for Ubuntu (16.04 where I’m typing) in both visual and text mode, both for replies and for the box after “Leave a Comment”. (Earlier I saw a glitch after writing bad tags in the text box and switching to visual (blank box in visual) but have not been able to replicate it.
Wolvesvalley
@LongHairedWeirdo: I have Firefox 85.0.2, and I am replying to you using visual mode. ETA that I can’t edit this comment in visual mode.
System is Windows 10, 64-bit.
Roger Moore
@Mary G:
Kids are gonna kid. If the kid wants to eat the same junk the rest of the kids eat, a lot of parents are going to decide it’s not a battle worth fighting and let them get away with it. And seriously, look at those pictures of Ted Cruz for a bit. Does that look like a man who cares deeply about nutrition?
Wolvesvalley
@Wolvesvalley:
1. In this reply to myself, I cannot use visual mode; I can only use text mode. 2. Also, I am editing this comment in text mode because I don’t have a cursor in visual mode. 3. I have just clicked to refresh and gotten a cursor in visual mode. 4. These numbers indicate successive edits. Now I am back in text mode.
Nukular Biskits
Calling in from Firefox 85.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10.
Defaults to “Visual”.
Cursor observed after clicking in the text box with either the “Visual” or “Text” tab active.
frosty
@WaterGirl: I can’t find an “about” on mobile that will tell me. Daylight 30.0 is what came up. I’ll try again.
H.E.Wolf
Currently on Firefox 85.0.1, on a Mac desktop computer. I get 2 data mice (resulting in 2 lines of blank space after the blockquote rectangle) when I quote somebody using the Visual option. I can take 1 of the mice out, in Text only, if I edit the comment.Visual also stops working for me, the 2nd time in a row when I comment… and Text apparently won’t let me add a URL as a link.Thank you (and thanks to the site developers) for working on these weird phenomena!Here is a data mouse:”p data-mce-fragment=”1″ with some stuff that Firefox currently won’t let me include.
PS: and paragraphing is kaflooey, as you can see above.
Another Scott
(Text mode in FF 85.02 on Winders.)
I just looked at the page source when the Visual tab works and when it doesn’t. They’re very different at the end of the HTML. Cloudflare doesn’t like the de-bracketed not-working version, but I’ll try again.
Working Visual Tab version:
[…]
div id=”shared-counts-modal-sent” Email sent! /div
/div
/div
/div
/body /html
Not-Working Visual Tab version:
[…]
div id=”shared-counts-modal-sent” Email sent! /div
/div
/div
/div
script window. lazyLoadOptions = elements_selector: img[data-lazy-src],.rocket-lazyload,iframe[data-lazy-src] ,data_src: lazy-src ,data_srcset: lazy-srcset ,data_sizes: lazy-sizes”, […] /script /body /html
As you can see, maybe, it’s trying to load some kind of script (ad?). In the elided stuff it points to some sort of YouTube player, maybe.
I hope this helps a little.
Thanks for trying to get it fixed! (Here’s hoping this posts…)
Cheers,
Scott.
Yutsano
Defaulted to text for me. Latest version of Firefox Win10. Oddsfish.
different-church-lady
I can tell you that my Mac 85.0.2 is…
* behaving as you describe
* constantly nagging me to update
* used to be fine with BJ, but I can’t remember how long ago that was.
WaterGirl
@H.E.Wolf: Can you send me a screen capture so I can see what the heck you mean about data mice?
CaseyL
I don’t get anything more exotic than what you’ve described: the Visual comment box doesn’t work. So far as I can tell, the text box works fine – but I haven’t tried to do anything unusual, like embed anything.Firefox 85.0.2Mac Mojave 10.14.6
Oh, and here are some of the “data mice” H.W. mentioned. They show up as coded lines in the Text box:
br data-mce-fragment=”1″ Firefox 85.0.2Mac Mojave 10.14.6<br data-mce-fragment="1"
br data-mce-fragment="1" br data-mce-fragment="1" br data-mce-fragment="1"
br data-mce-fragment="1" br data-mce-fragment="1"
…I've removed the carats and backslashes, so hopefully these lines will appear in my comment.
frosty
@WaterGirl: Checked. It’s Daylight 30.0. That’s what they names their mobile versions.
geg6
@WaterGirl:
I have the same as Long Haired Weirdo on my desktop with Windows. If a new comment, I can use visual once but never again until I fire it up again next day. Replying to comments requires text mode every. damn. time.
I am also having to fill in my name and email intermittently. Like right now, for instance. This is only a problem on my iPhone 11.
Suzanne
@Mary G: My kids love those crappy ramen noodles. Ultimate comfort food. I feel that way about Spaghetti-Os.
I can afford to buy them better food, and I do. But sometimes ramen.
They do sell slightly fancier ramen at Costco.
geg6
@WaterGirl:
This.
Wolvesvalley
This is an attempt on a Kindle. Visual mode is working.
ETA Visual mode is still working for an edit.
ETA again, visual still working.
NotMax
@Suzanne
Cup O’ Noodles was an impoverished college kid’s best friend, foodie division.
CatFacts
I can make an initial comment on MacOS Catalina 10.15.7 and Firefox 85.02 in Visual mode. Let’s see about replying…
CatFacts
@WaterGirl:
@WaterGirl:
I have the same fragments in the Text box as CaseyL does when replying to a comment, and have no cursor in the Visual box. Can comment in Text box, though.
CatFacts
Clearing the Firefox cache and cookies and reloading the Balloon Juice page lets me comment in Visual mode again. Same for editing a comment.
Freemark
I had all of the problems mentioned in the post for some time but now appears to be working as normal.
with FF 85.0.2
Windows 10 Home ver. 2004
Steeplejack
The latest Firefox versions are 85.0.1 (not 85.01) and 85.0.2 (not 85.02). Tiny detail, but perhaps significant in some (as yet unknown) context.
I’m using 85.0.2 with Win10 Pro on a Lenovo ThinkPad. The visual/text problem is random. I haven’t been able to detect any pattern. I’ll do some testing and see if I can answer the other questions at the top.
worn
@WaterGirl:
Windows 7 w/ Firefox 85.02 here (FF automatically updates so I believe this is the latest version).
When I hit the Reply button on your comment, I was taken to the visual editor and all seems to work as it should. But I did discover an odd behavior: I hit Reply then dismissed the editor. I then hit Reply again. This time the editor showed 2 @Watergirl hyperlinks. Repeating this adds another @WG to the stack. Interestingly if I re-open the it (ie, via the URL on the BJ front page), the editor reverts to the single @WG.
worn
@worn: And confirmed that replying to my reply also brings up the visual editor with no problems. Dammit! I was hoping to experience some of the commenting weirdness.
Mary G
@Suzanne: The teen used to be all ramen noodles, Taco Bell, and Korean BBQ. But he’s been working at fancy restaurants this year, and has thus become a food snob. I long for the days of ramen sometimes.
Mary G
ERMAGOD per NY Mag Ted Cruz and his horrible wife left their rescue dog, Snowflake, at home with a security guard:
Faisal
Version 86 is in beta, and version 87 is in development: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/desktop/
NotMax
@Mary G
Heh. Reminiscent of an episode of the so-so series Just Shoot Me after mailroom guy Kevin is introduced to risotto.
Before: “All I ever buy is rice and food for my owl, which is just rice in a different bag.”
After: “I can’t afford this pricey, risotto lifestyle, and now regular rice tastes like crap to me! My life is ruined!”
Steeplejack
The text fragment that shows up (sometimes) when I reply to a comment is this:
I have never seen it before recently, when the problems started.
The usual “reply” niblet is this:
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
ETA: The quotes in the snippets should be straight quotes, obviously.
Tehanu
I couldn’t comment yesterday but can today. Not sure why. I have Firefox 85.01but I got a thing about updating that I haven’t clicked yet so …
JustMike
Long time lurker (years and years) in Seattle *waves hello*.
I’ve been able to reliably reproduce both broken and working states in Firefox 85.02 (Mac 11.1)
Working: load a comment thread with the comment box at the bottom of the page visible as soon as the page loads
Broken: load a comment thread with the comment box at the bottom of the page not visible as soon as the page loads.
What happens?
tinymce is not loading the <iframe> used for the visual text input box.
Points finger
tinymce is throwing a cryptic error:
I believe it’s this issue (that’s been closed for inactivity): https://github.com/tinymce/tinymce/issues/794
Layer8Problem
Hello. I’m running Firefox 85.0 under Ubuntu Linux 18.04 on a Lenovo, with NoScript 11.2.3 and uMatrix 1.4.0 as Firefox extensions.
For a new comment, it defaults to Visual and I have to click on the comment box to get a cursor. It seems to be working fine here.
Layer8Problem
@Layer8Problem: Replying to myself I’m still in Visual.
Layer8Problem
No problem in Text, as far as I see.
Steeplejack
Side note: For Windows, there is both a 32-bit version and a 64-bit version of Firefox. Dunno if that makes a difference, but I make a note of it. Which you have is displayed in Help | About Firefox.
am
@WaterGirl
Not sure what the budget is here, but you might consider Usersnap for this. It might help out a bit.
NotMax
Can haz fresh thread?
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Just upgraded to 85.02. New comment, can’t type in Visual mode.Editing the comment, I’ve got a functioning Visual mode.
Editing again, no Visual mode. So it comes and goes. I’m on MacOS Big Sur, V 11.1.;
Smaller issue, spacing often gets screwed up when editing comments. It seems that sometimes when you edit in Text mode, a lot of the <p></p> tags get stripped out.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Replying, can’t type in Visual mode. Text mode is fine.
Again, when I edit a comment, Visual mode seems to work OK.
Amir Khalid
Test.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@NotMax:
No.
Apparently.
NotMax
@Jim, Foolish Literalist
Left coast don’t get no respect.
Comrade Colette
@Suzanne: Test dunk on Ted (two-fer)!
OK, visual mode, no problemo BUT I am testing my own capacity to do anyfuckingthing online. I’m unable to reach multiple web sites using either Chrome or Safari, including Duckduckgo (my default browser), anything linked from Google News, and roughly randomly half of sites I try.
Nothing to do with the reported problems here. Sorry. Carry on.
Yutsano
Now visual is fine. It’s the inconsistency that’s driving me buggy.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
yesterday there were three threads in just over an hour on the same topic
Amir Khalid
Visual mpde still working only intermittently.
Another Scott
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: The extra line spacing thing is something that has bugged NotMax for a very long time. (It bugged me when I was using FF to post a few comments in this thread this evening, also too.) And it’s (apparently) unique to Firefox here. Chrome doesn’t do it here.
Lots of weirdness in the B-J FYWP code…
Here’s hoping that WaterGirl is able to get the coders to fix these things.
Cheers,
Scott.
cain
I have Firefox 85.0.` on Fedora 33 Linux – It also fails on Firefox 85.0 Fedora 34 linux (unreleased) as well.
Mary G
Chris T.
It usually helps for me. (Firefox 85.0.2 on Mac.)
All the problems seem intermittent. This time, for instance, no problems, everything is working.
Edit to add: I have NoScript and all kinds of other blockers, but I mark BJ as trusted in NoScript.
Comrade Colette
Okaaaaay. Firefox 85.0.2 on Mac OS Big Sur 11.2.1. No Reply functionality – it brings me to a blank Visual tab with no cursor and hitting “click here to refresh” does nothing. Switching to the Text tab produces a cursor but no reference back to the comment to which I tried to reply.
ETA: Clicking “Edit Comment” produces a blank text box in the Visual tab; clicking the Text tab does bring up my comment with HTML tags. Bonus: it doesn’t cut off the final punctuation in my original comment!
ETA part deux: Ted Cruz sucks. Loudly.
ETA, part the third: editing fucks up the line breaks. Deletes between the original text and first edit, adds an extra between first and second. This is borked.
Amir Khalid
@Mary G:
When the going gets tough, the tough go on vacation.
Comrade Colette
Test: we can haz new thread for Left Coasters?
Test only works in Text. No cursor in Visual. Spork me! At least it remembered my nym.
Comrade Colette
Anthony Scaramucci
@Scaramucci
Ted Cruz is the Ted Cruz of Ted Cruzes
11:15 AM · Feb 18, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/Scaramucci/status/1362480793348636672
Just messing around to see what happens with Twitter.
Comrade Colette
@Comrade Colette: And now it all works just fine.
@Yutsano: No kidding. Inconsistency, thy name is Firefox.
Yutsano
@Comrade Colette: I mean seriously. I’m getting nothing? Not a nibble? Zilch?
And again opened right in Text. It’s like Visual isn’t even trying at this point.
Yutsano
Paging Trollhattan.
retiredeng
Firefox 85.0.2 here. Seems fine to me.
retiredeng
@retiredeng:
Reply is fine too.
HeartlandLiberal
FireFox 85.02, says it is up to date.
I cannot enter the visual field in either a comment, or a reply to a comment.
This happened as recent as yesterday, 2/18.
In other news, today is my bird-day. THREE QUARTERS OF A CENTURY.
My wife and son got me three puzzles, two 1,000 pieces, one 2,000 pieces.
My favorite is the one with pictures of chickens all over the puzzle.
I grew up with a herd of chickens and goats. Love them still.
Wife had prepared a treasure hunt in addition, had to follow and find clues.
Prize was a mini-puzzle of a two dollar bill.
Uncle Cosmo
When I joined the electronic reliability operation at Westinghouse back in the late 80s, I discovered that the reasons most of the veterans no longer had hair on their skulls were expressible in 7 letters: RTOK (ReTest OK) and CND (Could Not Duplicate). The very few times anyone was actually able to resolve either of these intermittent problems were celebrated like V-J Day.
Carry on (my wayward sons).
(O/t, but sonofabitch, I’m commenting in Visual! You know that won’t last…)
rayb
@WaterGirl: testing visual – able to type
@LongHairedWeirdo:
trnc
@LongHairedWeirdo:
Same for me. Also, my nym and email aren’t autofilled anymore after I restart browser.
ETA: Firefox 85.0.2 64 bit, Windows 10 Pro Build 2004
Ramalama
Macbook Pro – Mojave OS – Firefox v 85.0.2.
Yes to all 4 questions.
Here’s a screenshot of what I experienced. Hint: could only comment or reply using the text tab.
There go two miscreants
Very late to the party, but:
Original comment — Defaults to Visual mode, but no cursor. Refresh doesn’t help. Works only in Text mode. Firefox 85.0.2 64bit, on Win10 Home 64bit v2004 build 19041.804. Using an MSI laptop.
Next I will try editing this comment.
lee
The only one I can confirm is this:
Commenting defaults to Visual mode. (yes)
FF 85.0.2 (64 bit)
OS=Windows 10 (64 bit) (latest patches)
There go two miscreants
My edit did not show up. It defaulted to Visual, but still didn’t work. In Text mode, there were a bunch of insertions of code of the p data-mce-fragment=”1″ variety. This comment was an attempt at a reply, which also had the code inserts (I cleared the field).
Tried another edit; still Text only. I deleted the code insertions. See if this works.
Skepticat
@Skepticat:
Sorry, Water Girl, I probably caused the problem simply by saying there was no problem, but now I can’t access the visual field; it doesn’t recognize the cursor. However, the text tab seems to work perfectly well.
There go two miscreants
Just to confuse things further, at this moment (after several refreshes — I wasn’t keeping track) the Visual tab is working for this original (not reply or edit) comment. Past experience tells me that this will not continue to be the case.
WaterGirl
Adding a screenshot sent to me by email, with this note:
Steeplejack
@HeartlandLiberal:
Happy birthday! ??
Dupe1970
Yes to all.
Windows 7 64 bit
Firefox 85.0.2 64 bit
There go two miscreants
I am again able to get the Visual tab to work after a refresh (top of page, not comment box refresh, in case that makes any difference). However, I noticed a behavior that was probably confusing me previously:
Because of 2, I was probably underestimating how often the Visual tab was working, because I would test by simply hovering at some random place, usually without clicking, and if I didn’t see the text cursor appear, I’d refresh or click over to the Text tab.
JWR
@WaterGirl:
Re: your screen grab, that’s almost exactly what I get, and just in case the issue hasn’t been resolved, I’m running:
Firefox 85.02
Windows 10 OS Build 19041.804
Intel Core i5-7400 64 bit
Also, this isn’t just a Firefox 85 issue, It started for me a few weeks ago in Firefox 84.
ETA: Editing screwed up my formatting. Stripped out extraneous HTML, posting again.
Steeplejack
Environment: Win10 Pro, Firefox 85.0.2 (64-bit).
I fiddled with this last night and this morning and can’t find anything useful. Problem occurs randomly for me in both comment and reply modes. The only odd thing I can point out is the “data-mce-fragment” thing (when replying) detailed at #95 above.
I Googled this and found a number of complaints by people saying that snippets of code were appearing “unannounced” in their pages. I surmise it might be added by FYWP or some add-in. Maybe that will be a clue for WaterGirl’s tech guys.
Steeplejack
@There go two miscreants:
This. I noticed last night that people were reporting the visual mode wasn’t working, apparently without clicking in the box. That worked for me, although at this point I can’t remember whether it worked all the time or just some of the time. I am befuzzled from testing.
There go two miscreants
@Steeplejack:
When it’s not working, (like now) no amount of clicking helps. But I was not always clicking.
(This reply in Text tab, I had to get rid of the mice first.)
I should clarify that the “text cursor when hovering” is the I-beam (looks like a serif-font capital I), not the simple vertical bar that you get when typing.
Steeplejack
@There go two miscreants:
Got it about the cursors.
(This superfluous reply so I could check visual mode—and it’s working.)