The previous thread was getting long. I’m not sure how much more there is to go – I am not watching, just getting snips from Twitter as I get some other stuff done.
I found this interesting – the nuclear football that follows the Vice President around was also at risk. You can see the military aide carrying it at 0:13 in the video.
Stephen Schwartz follows the nuclear footballs and collects photos of them. I asked him to verify. Here’s his answer –
Sorry for the duplication. That seems to be the way this works.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I hope they play the footage of the two goons saying Ted Cruz would want us here
yup, they’re discussing whether Ted Cruz would sell them out, and decide he’s on their side because he objected to the AZ count
Raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: They did
Cermet
While no lost if they caught pence but immagine if they captured the “nuclear launch football”!?
Starboard Tack
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
A normal person would feel shame at that. Cruz? Doubt it.
debbie
Man, this is beyond appalling.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I remember that bit. They first thought he had turned coward on them. Stupid fucks.
p.a.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: ???they should have replayed the “Cruz is with us” comments on a loop.
Cheryl Rofer
@Cermet: They couldn’t have launched anything, but it would not have been good.
Jeffro
@debbie: you too?
I’m getting that red-tinted filter coming down over everything again…
Martin
Josh Hawley still have his feet up?
dmsilev
(Shows video of police officer suffering horribly)
“We will now break for dinner. See you in an hour.”
Kind of a jolting transition there.
MagdaInBlack
@dmsilev: Ya that was kind of weird feeling.
Mary G
It’s a shame that these Republican senators aren’t smart enough to know that if they let this behavior go, somewhere down the line the same mob’s going to come for them. The impeachment managers are doing a great job.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
I’m sure there is a way to deflate the football.
I mean Tom Brady does it all the time.
Ramalama
I was diagnosed with Covid at that time and so had no ability to follow any news. Too busy freaking out with my own news.
I later read up about certain aspects but watching this whole excellent presentation by the Impeachment Managers is chilling, terrifying, maddening, and a little heartbreaking.
I mean Jesus.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“I think the President has learned his lesson”, Susan Collins, just about a year ago.
I’m sure she’ll vote to convict this time. If she had a scrap of decency, she and every fuck who voted to acquit him the first time, would resign in shame.
Leto
@debbie: this is absolutely who they are and we’re never going to let them forget it. Scarlet fucking T’s for all of them.
Martin
Democrats are pushing Republican senators into a very, very, very tiny box. The presentation here is devastating. I mean, none of it is really new, but presentation really matters to public reaction. Nothing that happened on bloody sunday was new, but the presentation of that day changed public opinion. Same thing happened during Watergate. This is starting to really have that feel to it.
guachi
Republicans and their voters are traitors. Trump is no better than Osama bin Laden. MAGAts are no better than the Taliban.
dmsilev
@Martin: I’m sure T****’s crack legal team will be able to effectively rebut.
…I’m sorry, I’m being told it’s an on-crack legal team. That’s more or less the same thing, right?
Leto
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: 72 years of previously not learning a single lesson, but THIS TIME! I don’t think they can be an R without ridding themselves of all shame, decency, and integrity. Ted Lieu and Lindsey Graham are examples of the gaping chasms in exemplifying the Air Force Core Values.
Tazj
The police were overwhelmed and had to fight for hours, while Trump was what, enjoying the show? It’s just disgusting that they were undermanned to begin with and that it took so long to get them help.
Mary G
Starboard Tack
@dmsilev:
I thought it was Xanax.
debbie
@Mary G:
Like I said this morning, the managers need to frame the insurrection as if these people were invading the Senators’ homes and then ask if they’d be so nonchalant about that level of violence and those same threats being directed right at them.
Leto
@dmsilev:
stacib
I’ve been in and out, so I don’t know if this point has been made. During the presentation by the lady repping the VI, she made it clear, several times, that this was all happening in the area that FACES THE WHITE HOUSE. My thoughts is she was making it clear that trump** had to know how out-of-hand this was, and he didn’t do a damned thing.
Leto
@Tazj:
debbie
@Tazj:
I hope one of the manager’s focus will be on Trump’s reported behavior during the insurrection.
dmsilev
@Leto: Beschloss’s descent into becoming, well, someone like us has been one of the stranger, less predictable, yet quite amusing side stories of the last couple of years.
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie: What is wrong with what they are doing?
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Martin:
That was before Fox and the rightwing echo chamber. They won’t see this. They will see carefully curated slices of this that are considerably less damning or somehow make Democrats look bad.
dmsilev
@debbie: I imagine it will be. A big theme of the last few hours was “look just how bad this was”, so it makes sense that they’ll pivot back to T**** both inciting the riots and then spending all afternoon just watching it on TV rather than doing anything to quell them.
NotMax
@dmsilev
Oh, expect they’ll try going the “cherry picked and selectively edited video” route. Maybe even throw in the reading of a Robert Service poem.
Leto
@debbie: I think they are. The last two managers effectively laid out just how close everyone was to being either a hostage or having a state funeral. They weren’t talking to Dem reps, because they know. It’s the Rs who continue to think, it won’t happen to me!, that this was aimed at, as well as showing the rest of the populace just how close we came to having our government decapitated. Like Jeffro this has me amped up all over again just like that day, and just how absolutely I loathe these motherfuckers.
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
I have no problem with what they are doing, but I wouldn’t be surprised if any of the presentations had an effect on the GOP senators or their intent to absolve Trump.
Something more in-your-face might get through is all I was saying.
Immanentize
The political future of Michael Pence is over. The Republican base hates him already. Democrats calling him a patriot has just doomed his sad aspirations.
patrick II
@Cermet:
Pence found a line he would not cross and stood up in the end. I can think of many people on that side who would not have. Imagine if Trump had picked Cruz for VP.
Leto
@dmsilev: I honestly didn’t know who he was, but started seeing him on Maddow and then other MSNBC talking heads shows. He honestly sounds so much of my dad, in the historical context and temperament . (My dad’s a former high school history teacher.) I’d love to get Beschloss to comment here because I think he’d have a hoot and I’m sure it’d be educational. Plus his 3 Stooges meme game is always on point.
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie: I doubt anything will change the minds of any Senators who not inclined to convict now. This is for posterity and the upcoming elections.
Betty Cracker
@Immanentize: There’s always a silver lining!
debbie
@Leto:
He’s been a talking head on PBS for quite a while. Until Trump apparently drove him over the edge, he was calm, measured, and spoke only from a historical perspective.
NotMax
@Immanentize
“Comedy gold, Jerry.”
Leto
@Immanentize:
I’ve heard that while the Fly is no longer with us, his great, great, great, great, great grandflies do have his contemporaneous notes and have indicated they’ll turn them over if asked to do so.
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
You’re probably right, but I’ll keep hoping for a happy ending to these four years.
WaterGirl
@debbie:
I think they are doing one better. With each presentation, they inch closer and closer, making it harder and harder to deny the reality of what happened, the worse things that almost happened, and the still worse things that will happen next time, with them as the target.
I think this is going to change some votes before we’re through. I’m not saying we’ll get to 67 votes, but I think we’ll get more than was predicted going in.
I think the managers are playing this very smart. These guys don’t just have book smarts. They have emotional smarts, and I think there might be one or two street fighters in the mix, as well.
I haven’t gotten to the video yet. I find that I need to take a break in between each presenter. As soon as my bread comes out of the oven, i will watch the person that comes after Ted Lieu. His presentation might have been the shortest so far, but he packed a punch, beginning, middle and end.
NotMax
@dmsilev
Descent?
Ksmiami
@guachi: I don’t want them as my countrymen- too bad banishment is no longer an option
Leto
@Ksmiami: I’ve read that Elon Musk thinks that being an indentured servant on the first homesteading trip to Mars is a reasonable thing. Sounds like we’ve found where we can send our assholes. We can even name the project “Mayflower 2.0”.
Elizabelle
@debbie: WRT Beschloss: Living through history: as in experiencing the worst president in history, the rise of fascism, the 1918 influenza pandemic, the ensuing economic disruption and pain for many, the Nth coming of the white supremacists, an actual insurrection at the US Capitol: it will wake one up. And all that in a very short period of time.
As long as one is not a wholly unempathetic and greedy Republican congressweasel. Which Beschloss is not.
Amir Khalid
@debbie:
I think that the strategy is to methodically lay out an ironclad case against Trump. Best case scenario, he is convicted in the court of public opinion as well as in the Senate. If they convince the public of his guilt and Republican Senators still refuse to convict, the Democrats have something to hang around the Republicans’ collective neck.
different-church-lady
NYT PITCHBOT PITCHBOT: “What would the insurrectionists have done with the nuclear football? We went to a diner in rural Pennsylvania to find out.”
lollipopguild
There is a part of me that wanted the mob to get close enough to pence that his Secret Service agents would have had to open fire.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: I think the field is wide open for a new show:
Pussy or Patriot?
tokyokie
@patrick II:
Cruz would have opened the doors for them and taken their drink orders.
dmsilev
@WaterGirl: My guess is that there will be at most half a dozen or so votes to convict from Republicans. And I think that’s more likely to be an overestimate than an under.
I wish I could convince myself otherwise, that there are likely to be more, but after years and years of Republicans being, well, Republicans I just can’t.
NotMax
@Leto
Three ships, like Columbus. Only this time they’ll be the NIña, the Pinta and the Mongo.
;)
dmsilev
@NotMax: It’s a matter of perspective.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@debbie: have you seen his twitter bio?
WaterGirl
@debbie: Isn’t he also the religious guy, or am I confusing him with someone else?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Mary G: You’d think they’d notice how he underbussed Pence and draw the logical conclusion about themselves
Mary G
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: Let’s recall the dynamic of the Kavanaugh hearings and be cautious. After Ford testified, it looked certain he wouldn’t be confirmed
Sure Lurkalot
I find it hard to believe that none of the Republican representatives feared for their lives that day. Many of the insurrectionists wouldn’t recognize those whose faces are not well-known and the videos seem to show that had the opportunity presented itself, they would have assaulted any one they got to.
They must think they have more to fear from Trump and whomever he prompts to exact revenge. I wonder how many of them have had credible threats to themselves and their families.
different-church-lady
So let’s have a little think about this: a mob was bent on killing the Vice President, and his own President is like, “Hey, that’s cool, love you guys!”
Elizabelle
Have C-Span on. A few minutes ago, a young woman Trump supporter. She does not condone that riot. Well, all right.
She was whingeing that people are thinking she is a racist, since she’s such a strong Trump supporter. The horror! She thinks the Democrats should have just made a video and they can air it on MSNBC (she tripped over its name), because MSNBC would do that.
Unrepentant moron. Articulate, though. Maybe she can join the Trump legal team.
Brachiator
@Sure Lurkalot:
They think this is all just a political game. Trump has no power to threaten anyone.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@different-church-lady:
WaterGirl
@different-church-lady: it was worse than that. T**** was tweeting about how Pence betrayed him. T**** put a target on the back of Mike Pence.
T**** is like an evil 5-year-old. Pence betrayed him, so Pence was dead to him anyway
Roger Moore
@Leto:
How about “Ark B”.
Argiope
@Elizabelle: yes, lots of “not all Trump supporters” vibes with that one and lots of personal grievance and whining about how people think she’s terrible because of who she voted for. Won’t someone think about the poor benighted non-violent Trumpsters? And don’t forget how convenient she thought the riot was because it took attention away from the REAL problem: election fraud. The self-licking ice cream cone of Republican logic at its finest.
Leto
@Elizabelle: articulate, but is she blond and resemble Jarvanka? In the mold of Pam Bondi, but you know, more bangable. Does she make Rudy want to lay down? (Barkeep, another round of brain bleach please)
Jeffro
Have to agree
Haydnseek
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: This was the subject of a famous opera. A small rodent on the Patriots side of the field reduced the pressure in the footballs that were to be used in the game. Surely everyone remembers……Die Fledermaus…..
I’ll see myself out…….
dmsilev
OK, we’re back. Now focussing on what T**** did and didn’t do during the attacks.
Leto
@Roger Moore: “Plan B” maybe?
Jeffro
I think you’re right.
I think we’re either going to get something like 58-42, or 90-10. They will break one way or the other after all this.
debbie
@WaterGirl:
I can’t say I’ve heard every single thing he’s said, but he’s never seemed particularly religious to me.
Jeffro
@patrick II:
@tokyokie: it’s still kind of mind-boggling that at the end, the only alternative to trumpov for the GQP was…Ted Cruz.
If that isn’t evidence of system failure, I don’t know WHAT is
dmsilev
@Haydnseek: The classical music radio station in Chicago used to play the overture from that every baseball Opening Day, on the grounds that it was the only opera that featured both a bat and a ball…
guachi
@WaterGirl: I think you’re thinking of the guy who spoke at the convention. His name escapes me now, though
EDIT: John Meacham
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Heh. I wonder when he updated that? I don’t recall how long it’s been since he “changed his focus,” but he is rivaling @dick_nixon in the level of his snark.
Roger Moore
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Drawing logical conclusions is not in their behavioral repertoire.
Elizabelle
@Leto: No clue.
BitchWoman was on the call in show.And: she got some pushback from the host. Since it was apparent she either hadn’t seen or ignored the morning’s testimony. Her whole point was Trump didn’t incite them; these people were already there.
Geniuses. All the way down.
debbie
@Sure Lurkalot:
The insurrectionists were too amped to care who they tore limb from limb. The GQPers are fooling themselves if they think otherwise.
Elizabelle
I wonder if they’ll play that video from the Trump kids in the tent on January 6. LOL.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@guachi: Parson Meacham, as the left blogosphere used to call him, in the pre-twitter old days
Subsole
@Leto: I would prefer we call it the Hydra.
Patricia Kayden
Jim, Foolish Literalist
a minor point, but am I the only one who, when hearing that clip of trump saying, “We’re going to walk down to the… CAPitOL!”, hears the Jerry Lewis voice the Simpsons gave to Professor Frink?
guachi
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yup. I had to head to Wikipedia to look at the lineup of speakers for the Convention. Spoke on the fourth day.
Cam
@Immanentize: I find it pathetic that he’ll think he lost his chance to be president because he did the right thing, never realizing that he was only as close as he was to the presidency because of how horrible his party had already become.
Sloane Ranger
According to CNN just now, Senator Cassidy, has already been “chastised” by the Louisiana Republican party after changing his vote last night. These Repub Senators are members of a very exclusive club, they don’t want to lose their membership by being successfully primaried, especially as they would also likely lose their post Senatorial gravy train and friends/peer group.
Roger Moore
@Leto:
Nope. I meant Ark B.
TS (the original)
@Jeffro:
I find it even more mind boggling that Ted Cruz became the No 1 (or No 2 ) trump fan. Did he see himself as the heir apparent?
Subsole
@Jeffro:
It will be a small miracle if we get three conviction votes.
Elizabelle
It’s funny to see the exhibits with the
trumptweets and realize: he been kicked off twitter. No more tweeting for that twat.I wonder if that occurs to
trumpas he watches this. Because he probably is. It is not going well for him.I can see him watching, thinking “I miss twitter” and the rest of the stuff is just …. noise.
Roger Moore
@Patricia Kayden:
What is the world coming too, when Doughy Pantload is being quoted approvingly on Balloon-Juice?
debbie
@Elizabelle:
But it’s not his fault. //
Leto
@Roger Moore: Ha!
@Elizabelle: Only the best people. She’d fit right in on counsel.
dmsilev
@Elizabelle: I forget who said it, but “Losing his Twitter account was like when Gollum lost his Precious.”
Roger Moore
@TS (the original):
Cruz is showing he’s just another suckup like Graham. If he can’t have the power, he’ll happily debase himself to stay as close to it as possible.
dmsilev
@Roger Moore: Bill Kristol has been a voice of sanity recently. Bill Fucking Kristol.
Strange days.
RaflW
@Starboard Tack: Do people do Quaaludes any more? I guess the the FDA has determined that they’re too addictive and that they aren’t medically necessary.
But it sure seems like most of the GQP are totally checked out and unable to track, so maybe there’s a Quiet, undercover supply line for them?
Roger Moore
@dmsilev:
As I like to say, it’s not a surprise that there were some Republicans who had strong enough principles to stand up to Donald Trump, but it’s continually surprising which ones and what their principles were.
Immanentize
The most chilling/revealing part of today — for me! — was the call of the Metro Police officer calling in an emergency — officer in need of help — and saying about the crowd’s many weapons :. they are using them on us!
Poe Larity
Oh, ok, no need to make sure of that by doing your f’ing job then!
Leto
@TS (the original): the mob’s first thought was: HE SOLD US OUT! Yes Ted Cruz, these are your people.
Anya
I am going to admit that when the names of the Impeachment Managers was announced, I thought they would not measure up to Adam Schiff’s team (minus my Rep, Jerry Nadler), but honestly, these Impeachment Managers are so good. They are making a case for the history books.
ETA — I didn’t love giving Javanka undeserved credit.
patrick II
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
No, I heard that too and thought it was something he made fun of years ago, and stuff just pops up in his head without him being aware.
WaterGirl
@guachi: Yes, that is exactly who I am thinking of! Thank you.
tinare
I like how they’re citing what Republican Senators said on the day and who trump was calling at the capitol.
Leto
@Immanentize: But these are the blue flag people! Blue lives matter! (No, not those lives. No, not those either.) Did you see where they put into the record the article of the black police officers who, after the attempted insurrection, sat in the Rotunda and cried for 15 mins, asking, “WTF was that? Is this America?” Guy said he was called the N word at least 20 times.
I hated the blue lives fucks already, but now I never want to hear that phrase or see that fucking flag ever again. Yet another albatross to hang around their fucking necks.
The Moar You Know
@Sloane Ranger: state-level GOPs will insure that anyone who votes for conviction gets primaried and every damn GOP Senator knows it. I don’t see votes for conviction cracking 60. Frankly will be floored if we get 55. Would love, love, love to be wrong.
Anya
@Ramalama: Oh no. I am so sorry. Hopefully, you’d be one of the folks who get mild symptoms. Sending positive thoughts.
Leto
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Avalune and I parrot that line every time we hear it, in the voice of the Professor from the Simpsons. “Freud-LAY-Venn!” His speech patterns are such a hot fucking mess.
Elizabelle
@Poe Larity: What a dumbass comment by Murkowski, whom I generally like.
Issue is: a presidential campaign is one of Trump’s planned financial lifelines. He does not give a fuck about public service. He wants to grift off the cash that flows in politics.
Cut that off. Make him ineligible to run again, and thus ineligible to control his own presidential campaign, and fundraise off it.
It’s not that hard to understand, Lisa.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@The Moar You Know:
Something needs to be done about these state-level GOP parties. They’re rapidly becoming terrorist organizations
zhena gogolia
Leto
@Sloane Ranger: Funny thing is, if he’d had any type of legislative accomplishments he might be able to run on that. Instead it’s just how much do you luv u some Trumpov? How long can you hold your lips to his ass? Didn’t bring jobs to your state, didn’t bring investment, didn’t improve their lives in any way. Nope, just Trumpov.
WaterGirl
@Anya: Not sure if Ramalama is still here, but she and partner (I believe) both had COVID early and in January. I’m sure she will appreciate the positive thoughts, anyway, but I didn’t want you to be worrying about Ramalama.
The Moar You Know
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Nothing to be done. They’re very accurately reflecting the will of the people who vote for them.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Leto:
This has got me to wondering. Will the return of earmarks have any effect on how much Republicans vote for Democratic bills, etc?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@The Moar You Know:
Of course there’s something to be done. We can try to sow discord among them and encourage infighting. If the last 4 years have demonstrated anything, conservatives are very vulnerable to propaganda and disinformation
Geoboy
@Haydnseek: Damn, that’s harsh!
RaflW
I’m gonna completely agree with this from Beutler
I really, really don’t understand not calling witnesses.
Amir Khalid
@Leto:
I am always mystified when I hear or read of Trump supporters extolling his greatness and his accomplishments in office. They describe an idealised POTUS who is nothing like the real Trump, they never list anything he actually did. I’m like, WTF is this person talking about?
Fair Economist
I think the House managers are simply doing their best to get Trump convicted. It is their official job, and I think they’re focusing on that over the most likely political benefit of embarrassing the Republican Senators. It’s going to help us politically to some extent, perhaps not much; but in the end they can say they did their best.
Martin
@Patricia Kayden: Wait, we have Jonah ‘liberal fascism’ Goldberg on our side on this one?
geg6
@WaterGirl:
You are thinking of Jon “Pastor” Meacham. Who is writing speeches for President Biden these days.
Martin
@RaflW: The vote took place before the Georgia Election. Romney and Collins voted with Dems but came up one vote short. Every D voted for witnesses.
Leto
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It would def help, because right now what motivation do they have to vote for something? Nada. It was foolish to get rid of them. Did it need reform? Sure. More oversight? Ok. But getting rid of them entirely took away the only tool the R leadership side had to wrangle their dumbasses.
TS (the original)
@Elizabelle:
As does his extended family members (Mary excluded). From what I have read they achieved their 4 year goals and just wanted another 4 years to do the same.
Nutmeg again
dmsilev
@Martin: There’s potentially another vote to hear witnesses, per the procedures agreed upon for the trial. After the House Managers finish tomorrow and then after T****’s “lawyers” have their 16 hours, then either side has the option to request witnesses, at which point the Senate will vote on whether or not to accede to the request.
Whether that will happen or not, no clue.
Nutmeg again
@dmsilev: Waiting for him to pitch himself head first into a lake of fire, though
prostratedragon
@Elizabelle: As of now at least, Twitter says that’s permanent, praise be.
dmsilev
Pat Leahy seems kind of lost here.
Geminid
@Sloane Ranger: Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy just won reelection, and doesn’t have to worry about a primary until 2026. Murkowski of Alaska will face a primary next year. Even if she voted to convict she can probably win renomination though. Murkowski has strong support from labor unions and Alaska Native Corporations, which swing a lot of weight in that state. With their backing she won reelection as a write in candidate in 2010, which is a rarity. She had narrowly lost the Republican primary to a tea party type. She won reelection as a Republican in 2016. Murkowski “brings home the bacon,” as they say, and Alaskans like that. This is not to say that these two Senators will vote to convict, just that they might not care so much about what their state party organizations tell them to do.
BC in Illinois
Okay, so I’ve finished my binge watching for today:
“Trump Impeachment” Season Two, Episode Two.
(This is probably the final season.)
different-church-lady
@Haydnseek:
…and don’t see yourself back in.
Uncle Cosmo
Castor and Poleax, the Zodiac b’hoys…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Geminid: also, Alaska just adopted a ranked-choice system that people see to think make her pretty damn safe
Uncle Cosmo
My money’s on “The Ballad of Eskimo Nell.”
Geminid
@Jeffro: I think 55-45, or 70-30. The former seems much more likely. But Mitch McConnell is one ruthless sonofabitch, and if he thought conviction was in the best long term interests of his party I could see him bringing along enough Republican Senators.
Miss Bianca
@Martin: IKR? That’s even more shocking than Bill fucking Kristol. I’ve sort of gotten used to *that* blind hog having stumbled over a trove of truth-nuts lately.
Anya
@WaterGirl: Oh, thanks. I am so glad they have recovered.
Ramalama
@Anya: Thank you. We seem to be out of the woods. Still experiencing some things. For instance, we have a bar of Ivory soap in the bathroom for dog arse purposes. The smell of Ivory used to bother me – bad. But since Covid, I don’t smell it. And have actually amused myself by washing my hands with it. Ha ha ha, I’d say like a dunce. Now that I’m ‘recovered’ (not sure if my small other symptoms will dissipate), I can smell things. For example this roll on lavender scent enters my nose bigly when I apply it to my pulse points at night. I smell Earl Grey tea before putting it in my cup and adding hot water. I can smell things, yes. But not 100%. The Ivory soap still doesn’t bother me. Same with flavors. I can taste things if I concentrate and inhale a lot while eating.
The bad thing for me aside from any possibly long-term deals is that after 10 years of being a long-term visitor and now resident of Canada, I only now realize that Milky Way bars are sold in Canada, but they’re called Mars bars. Mars bars in the US are completely different. Mars bars in America are just wrong. I learned this in November? And Mars bars are a little fresher and a little better than Milky Ways. As if they used better ingredients. So I’ve only had a short time to experience the Mars bar in its native habitat before the hammer of Covid came down and messed with my tastebuds.
That is my experience. Partner had it worse than me, but did not need to go to the hospital. We consider ourselves to be so lucky. I mean, we are. But for a while it was plain old terrifying, wondering if the thing was going to kill us. Waiting it out.
Which is why I had no ability to watch the news.
Which is why the hearings are jaw dropping.
Ramalama
@WaterGirl: Thanks for that. Also if anyone else in other threads want what limited advice we took (mostly anecdotal from previous survivors) that helped us, please don’t hesitate to pass along my email address to them.
HMF
Hi, Lurker from Germany here. Here, Mars bars and Milky Way bars are two different things. The former are darker and filled with caramel, and the latter a lighter brown and fillings is some sort of chocolate cream/mousse.
@Ramalama:
No One You Know
@Amir Khalid: If they survive the retribution from a freshly enabled Trump and a charged-up MAGAT mass that can’t be excised if their leader is free
I hate that I’m thinking about this.