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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / Women's Rights / A Woman's Place Is In The House / Monday Evening Open Thread: Another Excellent Small, Symbolic Step

Monday Evening Open Thread: Another Excellent Small, Symbolic Step

by Anne Laurie|  January 25, 20216:14 pm| 152 Comments

This post is in: A Woman's Place Is In The House, Biden-Harris 2020, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Racial Justice

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NEW: White House says Treasury Dept. is "taking steps to resume efforts" to put Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill.

Press Sec. Psaki says the Biden admin. is "exploring ways to speed up that effort." pic.twitter.com/z7Jw5CqXP0

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) January 25, 2021

Can’t tell you how sweet it is to be highlighting good news instead of clown-car outrages!

Twenty-dollar bill going from Andrew Jackson to Harriet Tubman — one symbol of difference between Trump and Biden. Proposed new design below: pic.twitter.com/e6xaukiSJJ

— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) January 25, 2021

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  1. 1.

    HinTN

    January 25, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    The best tiny detail!

  2. 2.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 25, 2021 at 6:19 pm

    Haven’t checked conservative Twitter but I assume we’re gonna need to put Tubman *and* a trigger warning on the $20 for those snowflakes.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I look forward to them burning their $20 bills in protest.

  4. 4.

    debbie

    January 25, 2021 at 6:21 pm

    Good. Let ’em choke on it.

  5. 5.

    BruceFromOhio

    January 25, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    @Baud: Then let’s put it on the $100.

  6. 6.

    Ruckus

    January 25, 2021 at 6:27 pm

    @Baud:

    While they are still in their wallets.

    Which are still in their pockets and purses.

  7. 7.

    LeftCoastYankee

    January 25, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    I love it.  Harriet’s wry smile is perfect.

    I predict an uptick in counterfeit Jackson $20 as the rubes start to hoard them, because “something something, really not racism, no really”.

  8. 8.

    JPL

    January 25, 2021 at 6:30 pm

    @Baud:  They can send their twenties to me, and I promise that I’ll burn them.

  9. 9.

    Capri

    January 25, 2021 at 6:33 pm

    I could listen to Ptaki all day.

  10. 10.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    January 25, 2021 at 6:35 pm

    @Baud: I’d be more than happy to take them off their hands…ya know, just trying to help out.  I’m a giver.

     

  11. 11.

    Eric S.

    January 25, 2021 at 6:35 pm

    @Baud: I’m pretty certain destroying US currency is a crime. Not that these snowflakes are ever held to account but I’d love to see some of them go to jail for it.

  12. 12.

    karen marie

    January 25, 2021 at 6:36 pm

    @Eric S.: If they want to burn their money, who are we to get in their way?

  13. 13.

    Chief Oshkosh

    January 25, 2021 at 6:39 pm

    I preferred the image of her with a pistol in one had, an axe (?) in the other, and a “Harriet does not play” look on her face.

    But sure, I’ll take this one.

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    January 25, 2021 at 6:39 pm

    Yeah, Harriet.👊👊

  15. 15.

    Roger Moore

    January 25, 2021 at 6:39 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Let’s put BIPOC on all our money.  After all, the tradition of putting presidents on our coins only goes back to the early 20th Century.  Lincoln was the first president on a coin, and that wasn’t until 1909.

  16. 16.

    zhena gogolia

    January 25, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    I guess nobody cares that they lifted the ban on transgender people in the military today — I keep posting it, but no response. Champ and Major can be heard barking outside the window after Biden signs it.

  17. 17.

    LurkerNoLonger

    January 25, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    @Baud: They can give those 20s to me.

  18. 18.

    zhena gogolia

    January 25, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    @Capri:

    Psaki!

    PETER STRZOK

  19. 19.

    rikyrah

    January 25, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    🤣🤣😂😂

    I wanted the gun too

  20. 20.

    scav

    January 25, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    These boots are made for walkin’
    and that’s just what they’ll do.
    One of these days these boots are gonna to walk all over you.

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    January 25, 2021 at 6:43 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I care.

    A wrong has been corrected.

    May all the encroachments against our transgender citizens put in place by Dolt45’s Administration be destroyed. They certainly wanted to destroy them 😡😡

  22. 22.

    Nora Lenderbee

    January 25, 2021 at 6:43 pm

    @zhena gogolia: 
    It was mentioned several times in earlier threads.

  23. 23.

    zhena gogolia

    January 25, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    @Nora Lenderbee:

    Okay, I missed any response. People were too busy whining about Sinema.

  24. 24.

    Chyron HR

    January 25, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’d prefer they ban everyone from the military instead.

  25. 25.

    zhena gogolia

    January 25, 2021 at 6:45 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I am just soaking in all the humanity that is returning to our government.

    We have a real First Lady and a kickass Second Gentleman.

  26. 26.

    debbie

    January 25, 2021 at 6:45 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Seconded. And sadly, based on replies to @POTUS’s tweet, some people still want to.

  27. 27.

    zhena gogolia

    January 25, 2021 at 6:45 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    Yes, Vladimir Vladimirovich would like that.

  28. 28.

    Roger Moore

    January 25, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    @zhena gogolia: 
    There’s just too much exciting good stuff going on for everyone to keep track. It’s like the opposite of Trump’s “too many scandals for any one to capture public attention” approach. Fortunately, the Capitol Coup Attempt happened late enough in the game that Trump hasn’t been able to whip up a scandal to push it out of the headlines, so we’ve managed to keep it on the radar.

  29. 29.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    January 25, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

     

    The Second Gentleman spent his teen years out in the area where I grew up and went to undergrad in The Valley(CSUN).

  30. 30.

    Van Buren

    January 25, 2021 at 6:50 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I wouldn’t call pointing out that Sinema, Manchin, etc deciding that they’d rather have McConnell run the country than Joe Biden whining. My good mood didn’t last a week. We are so well and truly fucked.

  31. 31.

    LurkerNoLonger

    January 25, 2021 at 6:52 pm

    @Van Buren: some people prefer to be miserable.

  32. 32.

    Miss Bianca

    January 25, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    Don’t bogart those new $20s, MAGAts, pass ’em all over to me!

    In other news, thus begins a rant on Brexit in the Grauniad that is worthy (almost!) of Tony Jay:

    You would have to possess a heart of stone not to weep with laughter at some of those who are now suddenly complaining about Brexit. It is a bit late for Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist party, those lusty sponsors of the great experiment with the UK’s prosperity, to be wailing that they have been betrayed. I smiled to see that Roger Daltrey, the Leave-supporting lead singer of the Who, has joined the chorus of rock stars furious that the post-Brexit visa rules will ruin their prospects of touring across the Channel. Mr Daltrey will have to sing Won’t Get Fooled Again to himself before moving on to Boris the Spider and I Can’t Explain.

    There’s more at the link. tl/dr version: Surprise, surprise, surprise, Brexit is turning into the shitshow every sane person promised it would be.

  33. 33.

    RSA

    January 25, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    @Roger Moore:  After all, the tradition of putting presidents on our coins only goes back to the early 20th Century.

    I really liked the German bank notes (DM) just before the Euro was adopted.

    Famous national artists and scientists were chosen to be portrayed on the new banknotes. Male and female artists were chosen in equal numbers.

    Gauss, Clara Schumann, Paul Ehrlich, the Grimm brothers…

    For the U.S., Harriet Tubman is a fine choice. The portraits don’t need to be people in government.

  34. 34.

    MomSense

    January 25, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    Some friends of mine own a small, indie bookstore.  They’ve been using a black ink stamp to write TUBMAN in large print on all the $20 bills since 2017.  They’re good people.  They also keep dog treats behind the counter and are very patient with my dog when she cuts the line to get her treats.

  35. 35.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 25, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    Put black people on all the money if it will stop Republicans from hoarding it.

  36. 36.

    Dan B

    January 25, 2021 at 7:03 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I was happy to see the ttansgender ban lifted.  It was listed last week so not as newsy I guess.  Some form of the Equality act would be great news as well.  That would impact hundreds of thousands of trans and queer people.  Hoping!

  37. 37.

    Peale

    January 25, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    @RSA: maybe we could get Baud on a bill. $2. One for each of his failed primary runs.

  38. 38.

    HinTN

    January 25, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I heard the Colonel on NPR. GREAT NEWS!

  39. 39.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    January 25, 2021 at 7:07 pm

    @Peale: I think Baud’s already on the $3 bill.

  40. 40.

    Amir Khalid

    January 25, 2021 at 7:07 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    The Guardian writer shows his youth. The lead vocal on Boris The Spider is actually John Entwistle. He wrote the song, after all.

  41. 41.

    dmsilev

    January 25, 2021 at 7:08 pm

    @MomSense:

    They also keep dog treats behind the counter and are very patient with my dog when she cuts the line to get her treats

    Hah. The indie bookstore near my parents does the same thing. My mom stops by as part of the morning dog-walk to pick up a newspaper and a treat. She always has to bring the dog outside before giving him the cookie, because “if I give it to him inside, he goes to the counter to beg for another one, and I have to drag him out the door. It’s embarrassing.”

  42. 42.

    Steeplejack

    January 25, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    My RWNJ brother cares. Him on Facebook: “A HUGE miss on this one. Using the military for social experimentation weakens the hammer. Defies good order and discipline. I hope he gets talked out of this gaff [sic].”

    He was in the Navy for four-six (?) years decades ago, then in the Navy Reserve for a long time, and his Facebook home page is still a picture of a destroyer and an inset picture (relatively current) of him in a jacket with bullshit pseudo-military patches all over it (e.g., Combat Veterans Motorcycle Association). And his tag line: “Former Surface Warfare Officer at United States Navy.” Sad.

  43. 43.

    germy

    January 25, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    Punchbowl News: Schumer, asked about going nuclear: “All I can tell you is we are not letting Mitch McConnell dictate how the Senate runs or what we do. … I will tell you this. There’s huge anger in my caucus about what he’s done.”

    — Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 25, 2021

    Schumer later said to a larger gaggle: "He is minority leader" — referring to McConnell. https://t.co/Y2BvAVqtFy

    — Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 25, 2021

  44. 44.

    HumboldtBlue

    January 25, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    @Baud:

    I will start an online petition that they can send me all the $20 bills they want to burn.

  45. 45.

    topclimber

    January 25, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    @Eric S.: Business guy here. Wall Street and Banksters do way more to destroy currency (as in, the value thereof) than even a 100-Man-Militia March smoking $20 stogies. Blunt truth, folks: Speculators and racists going to be the death of us yet.

    Does anyone remember a show about Presidents going at it in an animated WWF event? The finale had Harry Truman going all Rocky Marciona on a tough but ungainly Abe Lincoln to claim the belt.

    I agree they were the likely finalists. But the TR/Andrew Jackson under card might have produced a dark horse.

  46. 46.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    January 25, 2021 at 7:18 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Using the military for social experimentation weakens the hammer.

    Like what we did in 1948?

  47. 47.

    germy

    January 25, 2021 at 7:18 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I’m grateful for the “social experimentation” – I think what weakens the hammer is the culture where rape accusations go ignored, and white supremacists infiltrate.  The new leadership is working on that.

  48. 48.

    topclimber

    January 25, 2021 at 7:21 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I believe you mean the “sending you the bill.”

  49. 49.

    RandomMonster

    January 25, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: Obama on the $100. Followed by a right-wing mass cerebral hemorrhage.

  50. 50.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 7:26 pm

     

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Close.  I’m on the $3 bitcoin.

  51. 51.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 7:27 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Did they say the same thing about the gays? That ended up being the biggest nothingburger ever.

  52. 52.

    germy

    January 25, 2021 at 7:28 pm

    Ms. Huckabee intends to win:

    "Are you there God? It's me, Silencer of the Media and Former Enabling Press Secretary to the Sexually Aggressive Guy Who Instigated the Capitol Insurrection." pic.twitter.com/jzEumYVXk7

    — Jarrett Bellini (@JarrettBellini) January 25, 2021

  53. 53.

    Steeplejack

    January 25, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    @germy:

    First comment was a mutual friend bringing up rape in the military. RWNJ brother harrumphed: “Rape is a criminal attack and is punished severely under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.” Problem solved!

  54. 54.

    germy

    January 25, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    !!! NEW: US Justice Dept tells judge Riley Williams, woman accused of stealing computer from Nancy Pelosi's office, is suspected of using internet in recent days, encouraging people to destroy evidence in Capitol insurrection case. They want judge to prohibit internet access pic.twitter.com/YwKKj0kdIe

    — Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) January 25, 2021

  55. 55.

    Geminid

    January 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm

    @Dan B: It’s been a little over ten years since Congress upheld the right of gay people to serve openly in the military. A half dozen Republicans joined the vote to repeal the ban in December 2010, including North Carolina’s Richard Burr, who surprised me. There was very little pushback, just griping similar to what we’re hearing now.

  56. 56.

    dmsilev

    January 25, 2021 at 7:31 pm

    @Steeplejack: They said that about desegregation in 1948. They said that about women in combat in the 90s (See Newt Gingrich and “men are programed to hunt giraffes” or whatever it was). They said that about gays in the military for the last twenty or thirty years. Etc.

    “They” have been wrong each and every time. Why should we listen now?

  57. 57.

    Sister Golden Bear

    January 25, 2021 at 7:31 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I’m ecstatic — I just haven’t been on BJ all day (and I’m just dipping in briefly right now).

    Now we need both the repeal of the trans military ban and Thursday’s EO on trans rights to be turned into law, so that trans people don’t face the risk every four years of their rights being dependent on who wins the election.

  58. 58.

    NotMax

    January 25, 2021 at 7:33 pm

    @Steeplejack

    It’s incorporating parity with and in service to the larger society, not experimentation. Much as some may wish it were otherwise, the military as an institution does not exist in its own impregnable dimension unconnected to or oblivious of the society which funds it.

  59. 59.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 7:33 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I’m happy for you.  I know the Trump years were especially hard on your community.

  60. 60.

    Steeplejack

    January 25, 2021 at 7:33 pm

    @Baud:

    I don’t remember. He might have kept his yap shut because our other brother, the squire of Sighthound Hall (Air Force veteran), is gay. But he probably did oppose it.

    Shorter: He’s a 65-year-old RWNJ. The only thing I haven’t confirmed is whether he voted for Trump (either time). I think in 2016 he might have voted for that no-name third-party candidate. Other than that he fits the profile perfectly.

  61. 61.

    Haroldo

    January 25, 2021 at 7:34 pm

    @germy:

    Doesn’t look like Joe Manchin agrees with Chuck.

    “Why would I … vote on something that would divide us further when Joe Biden is coming in trying to unite the country?” Manchin asked.

    When I pointed out that McConnell isn’t letting Democrats take over the Senate, Manchin responded that Schumer and McConnell would have to “sit down and get by this,” adding: “I believe very strongly in bipartisanship.”

    Spokespeople for Sinema and Schumer didn’t immediately answer when I asked them if they were open to the mini-nuke option.

    Joe Manchin as quoted by Greg Sergeant, WaPo 1/25/2021

  62. 62.

    NotMax

    January 25, 2021 at 7:36 pm

    @Baud

    Proof that it really isn’t easy being green?

    :)

  63. 63.

    Mike in NC

    January 25, 2021 at 7:37 pm

    Andrew Jackson’s main accomplishment was to slaughter Native Americans. Get rid of his face on the $20 bill.

  64. 64.

    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch

    January 25, 2021 at 7:42 pm

    Samuel L. Jackson on the $100 bill with Jheri curls, an eye patch, holding a mutherfucking snake on a plane

  65. 65.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 25, 2021 at 7:44 pm

    George Washington Carver on the $1 bill.

  66. 66.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 25, 2021 at 7:44 pm

    @Haroldo: He’ll have to come around, I guess. Or he won’t.

    There is no way Manchin actually believes this. There is no “sitting down” with McConnell to “get by this”. Manchin absolutely knows this by now.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Well, good.  I’m glad to hear we didn’t lose anybody who was already in our camp.

  68. 68.

    Roger Moore

    January 25, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    @Peale:

    maybe we could get Baud on a bill. $2.

    Definitely $3 to match his honesty.

  69. 69.

    Roger Moore

    January 25, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Like what we did in 1948?

    Absolutely. You might have a hard time getting him to agree, but that’s what he’s thinking.

  70. 70.

    Steeplejack

    January 25, 2021 at 7:51 pm

    @Baud:

    What part of “RWNJ” have I ever been unclear about?!

  71. 71.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 25, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    The Radicalization of Ron Brownstein continues…

    Ronald Brownstein @RonBrownstein ·1h

    McC blocking Senate organization to preserve filibuster fits his pattern. He shatters a democratic norm & then paints Ds as extremists if they respond. McC holds open SCOTUS seat thru Obama’s last year but rushes 1 thru in Trump’s-then says Ds are extremists if they enlarge court

    He escalates Senate combat by using filibuster to prevent the new majority from taking over, butwill say Ds r violating the norms if they restrict filibuster to respond. Most amazing thing: so many Senate Ds let McC get away w/it in name of protecting “norms” that he’s trashing!

  72. 72.

    bluehill

    January 25, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    @germy: Doesn’t seem like it so far, Chuck. Your move.

  73. 73.

    Steeplejack

    January 25, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    I will also add this:

    Gallup: 71% of respondents favor letting openly transgender people serve in the military. So, yes, quite unifying!
    https://t.co/iuy9hrj6lJ https://t.co/6AB4ep4QoG

    — Josh Barro (@jbarro) January 25, 2021

  74. 74.

    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch

    January 25, 2021 at 7:53 pm

    Drop dead gorgeous Charlize Theron takes Obama to a strip club (video)

  75. 75.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 7:53 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    My bad.

  76. 76.

    trnc

    January 25, 2021 at 7:54 pm

    @germy: At what point does Chuck decide that Mitch isn’t negotiating in good faith and pull the plug so he can start installing chairs?

  77. 77.

    burnspbesq

    January 25, 2021 at 7:55 pm

    @Baud:

    I look forward to them burning their $20 bills in protest

    I wouldn’t put it past the seditionists to try to burn down the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Shit ain’t funny.

  78. 78.

    burnspbesq

    January 25, 2021 at 8:00 pm

    @RandomMonster:

    Repubs wouldn’t burn a Wesley Snipes bill. He’s a hero for having engaged in crazy-ass income tax evasion schemes.

  79. 79.

    Ken

    January 25, 2021 at 8:00 pm

    @topclimber: Does anyone remember a show about Presidents going at it in an animated WWF event? The finale had Harry Truman going all Rocky Marciona on a tough but ungainly Abe Lincoln to claim the belt.

    Possibly Robot Chicken.  Unless you’re badly mis-remembering the Star Trek episode “The Savage Curtain“.

  80. 80.

    cain

    January 25, 2021 at 8:00 pm

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch:

    Samuel L. Jackson on the $100 bill with Jheri curls, an eye patch, holding a mutherfucking snake on a plane

    I would hoard the shit out of that $100 bill.

  81. 81.

    Booger

    January 25, 2021 at 8:01 pm

    @Amir Khalid: His point stands…and it make a perfect triplet with WGFA and Can’t Explain.

  82. 82.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 25, 2021 at 8:03 pm

    Prison has a way of clearing a man’s mind.

  83. 83.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    January 25, 2021 at 8:04 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I care – having a President who actively supports Trans rights is a BFD to this Dad of a teen who identifies as Transgender.

    It’s a Big Biden Deal!!!

  84. 84.

    Amir Khalid

    January 25, 2021 at 8:05 pm

    @Booger:

    I’ll concede that.

  85. 85.

    cain

    January 25, 2021 at 8:05 pm

    Rose twitter is all in fury because of Biden’s comment on negotiating. I listened to the press meeting and I wasn’t triggered by the negotiation. But I suspect he is trying to look reasonable, but also there is probably going to be some hard bargaining at least with the Senate.

    I will say this though – if Dems can’t even control the senate even though they are in the majority because McConnell is using the fillibuster (as I understand it) to stop passing the control – in which case, I think we will need to start looking for another Dem leader.

  86. 86.

    zhena gogolia

    January 25, 2021 at 8:07 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Yep.

  87. 87.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 8:08 pm

    @cain:

    There’s no point looking at Rose Twitter’s emotions for any insight into anything.

  88. 88.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 25, 2021 at 8:08 pm

    @cain:

    in which case, I think we will need to start looking for another Dem leader.

    who is that new Dem leader and how is he or she supposed to corral Manchin? Or Sinema? Or (according to varied and sometimes conflicting rumor) Tester, King and Feinstein? Tell them to fuck off?

    ETA: what triggered me in that press conference was the reporter who asked Biden when he was going to give Congress the “green light” to proceed without Republican votes. I may not like Manchin much today, but I am rather partial to the whole idea of separate and co-equal branches of government.

  89. 89.

    burnspbesq

    January 25, 2021 at 8:10 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    If assclown really is remorseful, he can plead guilty and argue for a sentence at the bottom of the Guidelines range.

  90. 90.

    zhena gogolia

    January 25, 2021 at 8:12 pm

    @Baud:

    Beat me to it.

  91. 91.

    Keith P.

    January 25, 2021 at 8:12 pm

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: That fried my brain….bringing a woman to a strip club is typically the fantasy, but the woman being Charlize Theron is whatever “beyond fantasy” is*.

    * – Obama didn’t actually go

  92. 92.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 25, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    1. @Baud: I’m on the Zimbabwe dollar bill. Haven’t checked the exchange rate, but I’m told that’s quite prestigious.
  93. 93.

    BruceFromOhio

    January 25, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    @Baud: Dude. Do you like, I don’t know, stay up nights writing these and then filing them so you can just roll them out when needed?

    I be laughing at your shit hours, hell, days later. This one’s gonna leave a mark.

  94. 94.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 8:16 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:

    I’ll pass your kind words onto the writers.

  95. 95.

    Ruckus

    January 25, 2021 at 8:17 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Tell him from ex navy, he’s full of fucking shit.

    It’s people who are scared that someone’s sexuality is going to fly off and attack them that are the ones who won’t or can’t admit they are not traditionally orientated. Or are just bigoted fucks.

    As many people that are in the military there has to be non traditionally sexual people serving. And just like the rest of the world, if you aren’t spreading it around in public and don’t tell anyone, no one knows but you. Which is why so many people are astonished when they find out someone they’ve known for years is not traditionally sexually orientated. Besides, no one fights with their sexual organs, they fight with their brains. And his…….

  96. 96.

    debbie

    January 25, 2021 at 8:17 pm

    @germy:

    To the hoosegow with her.

  97. 97.

    Ruckus

    January 25, 2021 at 8:20 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Also what destroyer, what years? I served 50 yrs ago on one, yes it’s a big navy, but maybe I know him.

  98. 98.

    Ruckus

    January 25, 2021 at 8:22 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Are you sure that’s not a Zimbabwe wanted poster?

  99. 99.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 25, 2021 at 8:23 pm

    @germy: @debbie:

    To the hoosegow with her.

    ab-so-fucking-lutely. Rachel Maddow read out the transcript of the hearing when the judge released her to home custody under her mother’s guarantee (go to your room, young (white) lady, you’re grounded!). She still thinks this is some kind of zany TV show she’s playing a part in? Let her experience Orange Is the New Black.

  100. 100.

    BruceFromOhio

    January 25, 2021 at 8:25 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    FEDERAL Prison has a way of clearing a man’s mind.

    There’s a difference. Getting your sorry ass tossed in the local or even the state slam for being a loud-mouthed dick with no self-awareness can totally fuck up your day.

    Getting tossed into a Federal pen for anything fucks up your entire life, pretty much forever.

    Props to the idiots lawyer for getting the idiot on PR duty tout de suite.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 25, 2021 at 8:26 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: @germy:

    , is suspected of using internet in recent days, encouraging people to destroy evidence in Capitol insurrection case

    IANAL, but that sounds like a brand new felony

  102. 102.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 25, 2021 at 8:28 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: the legal term is “spoliation” and it makes judges very, very angry

  103. 103.

    debbie

    January 25, 2021 at 8:28 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    He’s only remorseful he didn’t get a pardon.

  104. 104.

    WaterGirl

    January 25, 2021 at 8:30 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Why not put her in jail, then, if she is disobeying the rule not to use the internet and the law by encouraging destruction of evidence.

    Of course, she’s not black, or male, so there’s that.

  105. 105.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 25, 2021 at 8:31 pm

    @WaterGirl: typically there is an investigation, filing of charges, and conviction prior to incarceration

  106. 106.

    StringOnAStick

    January 25, 2021 at 8:32 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: Hmm, interesting how he offered to testify about anything he might have seen during the insurrection.  It’s almost like the strategy of rolling up the low level players and scaring them good and hard is useful or something.

  107. 107.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 8:33 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Besides, no one fights with their sexual organs,

    That reminds me of the time I realized that a “cock fight” is a far more horrible thing to witness than one would expect.

  108. 108.

    Anya

    January 25, 2021 at 8:33 pm

    @Haroldo: Manchin sounds like a simpleton. My one enduring memory of Manchin is when he made an ad of himself shooting an environmental bill. While I understand why he has to make a huge noise about opposing democrats (I mean, come on, WV) but the way he delighted in opposing Obama while kissing up to Trump makes me believe he’s actually a racist at heart. He was personally offended by Obama, the same way West Virginia Dem primary voters who voted for a guy in jail instead of voting for Obama. I get that we won’t get anyone better from WV in terms of policy but that doesn’t mean I have to like his racist ass.

  109. 109.

    Benw

    January 25, 2021 at 8:34 pm

    Once they start printing Tubmans, all the MCs are going to have to re-record their verses!!

  110. 110.

    dww44

    January 25, 2021 at 8:37 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: let’s share the honors. Frances Perkins, perhaps, or Eleanor herself.

  111. 111.

    Steeplejack

    January 25, 2021 at 8:37 pm

    @Ruckus:

    He was a little bit after you, I think. Went in in 1979 and served on the Forrest Sherman (DD-931), then on the Richard S. Edwards (DD-950). After about 1982-83 he taught Navy ROTC at the University of Arizona (?!) for a few years, then got out. Stayed in the Reserve until he retired from that in about 2006.

  112. 112.

    oldgold

    January 25, 2021 at 8:38 pm

    I am all for replacing Jackson with Tubman.

    But, until the vaccination debacle is straightened out, I would put this and virtually everything else, including the Senate impeachment trial,  on the ‘to do next list.’

    P

  113. 113.

    Cameron

    January 25, 2021 at 8:38 pm

    @Baud: I’ve fought with my sexual organs for years.  They always win.

  114. 114.

    Ken

    January 25, 2021 at 8:40 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: typically there is an investigation, filing of charges, and conviction prior to incarceration

    Are you using “incarceration” in some legal technical sense?  Because a lot of people are kept in jail before trial because they can’t make bail, or are thought to be a flight risk, or (pertinent case) violated the judge’s orders regarding their pre-trail behavior.

  115. 115.

    WaterGirl

    January 25, 2021 at 8:43 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: what about all the people they hold in jail while awaiting charges?  not that i think that’s the right thing to do generally, but if she was told not to use the internet and then did what she claimed, that would seem worthy of that situation.

    But what do I know?

  116. 116.

    Ruckus

    January 25, 2021 at 8:50 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Yep, I enlisted in 69 was discharged in 73. Also was on a different ship.

  117. 117.

    debbie

    January 25, 2021 at 8:51 pm

    Twitter tells me some guy named Jeff Sites has announced he’s running against Gym Jordan. If redistricting works out, he may have a chance.

  118. 118.

    Jinchi

    January 25, 2021 at 8:53 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: @WaterGirl: typically there is an investigation, filing of charges, and conviction prior to incarceration

    I think the key point is that she was encouraging people to destroy evidence.

    She isn’t being jailed for using the internet.

  119. 119.

    Ruckus

    January 25, 2021 at 8:54 pm

    @Baud:

    A gang fight without guns.

    They get serious.

    Last cock standing….

  120. 120.

    Haroldo

    January 25, 2021 at 8:55 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    @cain:

    in which case, I think we will need to start looking for another Dem leader.

    who is that new Dem leader and how is he or she supposed to corral Manchin? Or Sinema? Or (according to varied and sometimes conflicting rumor) Tester, King and Feinstein? Tell them to fuck off?

    I agree, it is a problem. What do you think could be done to solve it?

  121. 121.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    January 25, 2021 at 8:57 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Statistic I just read: nearly half a million people in US jails on any given day are awaiting trial. They are in jail and they haven’t yet had a trial.

  122. 122.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 25, 2021 at 8:59 pm

    @Haroldo: get more Democrats elected to the Senate, and the House, which means reining in a whole lot of emo horseshit, sucking it up and getting on with the fight with the field we have, not with the one we think we should have

  123. 123.

    Jeffro

    January 25, 2021 at 9:01 pm

    @Haroldo: Shorter Joe Manchin: “I am magically uniting the country by…keeping the majority from getting what it desperately needs in a time of crisis!  Voila – UNITY!!”

    Like underpants gnomes, only dumber.

  124. 124.

    Steeplejack

    January 25, 2021 at 9:03 pm

    Rachel Maddow leading with Chuck Schumer (interview taped earlier today).

  125. 125.

    The Thin Black Duke

    January 25, 2021 at 9:03 pm

    I think I’m going to wait and see what happens before screaming “WE’RE DOOMED!!!”, alright?

  126. 126.

    Jeffro

    January 25, 2021 at 9:06 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I hope someone in the Biden Administration – doesn’t have to be Uncle Joe himself – “walks” Manchin and Sinema through their stupidity to show them where they, the Democratic Party, and the country are going to end up if they let ol’ Mitch keep the filibuster.  (that would be ‘utterly vilified and then out of a job’, ‘completely screwed in 2022 and 2024’, and ‘completely screwed, period’, respectively)

    I suspect in the end they will come around to killing it in at least some circumstances, which is the second-stupidest solution available here…but at least it’s not the rock-bottom worst.

  127. 127.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    January 25, 2021 at 9:09 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: That’s just crazy talk. //

     

  128. 128.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 25, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: I am getting really close to taking another break from this place.

  129. 129.

    Haroldo

    January 25, 2021 at 9:19 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Getting more Dems elected is the obvious mid- and long- term solution, one we all agree on.

    It’s the short term that gives me pause.

  130. 130.

    geg6

    January 25, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Come sit next to me, six feet away.

  131. 131.

    Geminid

    January 25, 2021 at 9:27 pm

    @debbie: I read that Ohio has some new redistricting rules intended to reduce gerrymandering. And that Ohio stands to lose one, maybe even two seats. Republicans like Jordan may be in a game of musical chairs.

    Virginia will use a new “independent commission” to redraw the same eleven districts. My new 5th District Congressman won by 5 points in a district drawn by republicans, and I’m hoping a more neutrally drawn district might help make him a one-termer. The guy is such a loathsome asshole I don’t want to type his name.

  132. 132.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 25, 2021 at 9:29 pm

    Phil Mattingly @Phil_Mattingly· 13m
    MCCONNELL: citing Manchin & Sinema comments on the filibuster:
    “With these assurances, I look forward to moving ahead with a power-sharing agreement modeled on that precedent.”

    most surprising thing: He called them “Democratic Senators”

  133. 133.

    Raven

    January 25, 2021 at 9:29 pm

    Rachel says Turtle folded,

  134. 134.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I should get an award or something.

    https://www.balloon-juice.com/2021/01/25/arizona-on-my-mind/#comment-8056992

  135. 135.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 25, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    @Haroldo: in the short term we suck it up, accept the fact that Chuck Schumer was elected by the Democratic Caucus, that we don’t have a majority without Manchin et al, that there are no One Weird Tricks or Platinum Coins, that neither Elizabeth Warren nor Bernie Sanders would do a better job leading the Dems in the Senate, we put our shoulders to the wheel and get on with it.

    The cause endures, the work goes on.

  136. 136.

    J R in WV

    January 25, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Congratulations, Sister !!!

    Although I thought the Supremes ruled that Trans rights were the same rights as everyone else has last year, but I could be mis-remembering that. Won’t be the first time!

    But you and yours should be happy, stay happy, keep working for freedom and equal rights. I’m right there with you all. I hope we are all sleeping better lately.

  137. 137.

    WaterGirl

    January 25, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    @Baud: You’re psychotic!  I mean, psychic.  :-)

  138. 138.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 25, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    @Steeplejack: It’s the same damn argument that was used to oppose integrating the armed forces, and to oppose allowing gay people to serve.

    Using the armed forces to enforce social conservatism weakens the hammer, by keeping good people out and establishing a culture of secrets and taboos.

  139. 139.

    Baud

    January 25, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Por qué no los dos?

  140. 140.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    January 25, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I am too.

  141. 141.

    Haroldo

    January 25, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    And in the meantime, wonder of wonders, it seems McConnell dropped his filibuster request.  Sometimes to my amazement, politics works.

    (And it goes -and should have gone- without saying, that the hard work is necessary and there are no magic cures.  There are, though, problems that need solving and discussing the mechanisms by which those problems are solved is often useful)

  142. 142.

    Origuy

    January 25, 2021 at 9:50 pm

    @oldgold: I don’t think the folks at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving are going to be very helpful with Covid or the vaccine. This was in the works for a long time during the Obama administration; Trump just put the brakes on it. Besides, they change the design of banknotes every few years anyway to foil counterfeiters. This is just a bigger change than most.

  143. 143.

    WaterGirl

    January 25, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @Omnes Omnibus:

    That would be a sad day for the rest of us who are not fond of hysteria.  There’s safety in numbers.  :-)

  144. 144.

    satby

    January 25, 2021 at 10:11 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Me also. Daily reactive hysteria seems to be a hard habit for some people to break.

  145. 145.

    The Thin Black Duke

    January 25, 2021 at 10:22 pm

    @satby: Then again, to be fair, everybody in this community has been trapped in an ugly, abusive relationship for the past four years. And although it’s finally over, we’ll be feeling the bruises for a long damned time.

  146. 146.

    planetjanet

    January 25, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: Truth!

  147. 147.

    Brachiator

    January 25, 2021 at 10:37 pm

    Coming very late to the thread. Heavy work day.

    All for Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill.

    For the U.S., Harriet Tubman is a fine choice. The portraits don’t need to be people in government.

    Ben Franklin was never formally in the government.

    ETA: Pretty much in favor of almost everything that Biden has done so far.

  148. 148.

    NotMax

    January 25, 2021 at 10:40 pm

    @satby

    I just ignore it and scroll on by (mostly). It’s noise; Chicken Littles gonna cluck.

  149. 149.

    NotMax

    January 25, 2021 at 10:46 pm

    @Brachiator

    Applying the broadest definition of “the government,”, Franklin was appointed Postmaster General under the Continental Congress.

  150. 150.

    Chacal Charles Calthrop

    January 25, 2021 at 11:17 pm

    @MomSense: an artist I know fashioned a stamp of Harriet Tubman’s face that exactly fit Andrew Jackson’s and went around stamping people’s money if they would let him. I think that was in 2017 when the Trump admin nixed the idea of Tubman on the 20.

  151. 151.

    Original Lee

    January 26, 2021 at 1:27 am

    @topclimber: TL;DR I think you mean Celebrity Death Match.

  152. 152.

    the pollyanna from hell

    January 26, 2021 at 1:56 am

    My trans-daughter is an anarchist and survived the ghostship fire. When I think of issues that might affect her I wonder more often about what an anarchist fire-code would look like than what a career in the military would do for her. I am joking because my more serious commentaries about serious issues are so boring, compared to what I can read from all of you guys. Thx!

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