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Wednesday Morning Open Thread: (Mostly) Positive Thoughts

by Anne Laurie|  January 13, 20217:07 am| 117 Comments

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This is sweet and a bit cheesy, which is honestly exactly what is needed. https://t.co/0HlhpExcsd

— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) January 12, 2021

On January 20th, we will celebrate the work of democracy as we watch a new President and barrier-breaking Vice President make an oath of office. The next day, on January 21st, we will join them in making a commitment to do our part to heal and rebuild America. We envision a nation that is anti-racist, equitable, and sustainable. Each of us has a role in that labor, and we will only succeed if we lead with love.

January 21st will be a day of virtual conversations, artistic expressions, music performances, teach-ins, vigils and around-the-table family ceremonies. Some events will focus on grief and healing; others on justice and reckoning, others on joy and rising. All of them will have one thing in common: the expression of a “people’s oath” that recommits us to our core values and to one another…

What do you mean by ‘love’?

Love without limit. Not civility. Not a rush to forgiveness. Not healing without accountability. This is love that anchors nonviolent social movements for justice. The People’s Inauguration brings to life the “revolutionary love” proclaimed by the visionary writer and activist Valarie Kaur…

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Which doesn’t mean we can’t hold every one of these liars, socipaths, and grifters to account, of course…

I don’t want to unite with those responsible for the insurrection at our nation’s Capitol. I want us to unite in holding them accountable.

— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 12, 2021

destroying faith in american democracy in service of a man you *knew* to have lost is a mortal sin. others can be in the forgiveness business, that’s fine. not really my jam.

— Normie Transition Team (@CalmSporting) January 13, 2021

It was Antifa but it was no big deal but it was patriots fighting for their country but everyone condemns what happened but if you punish Trump they might do it again but it's censorship to prevent them but what we need to do now is just heal and move on.

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) January 13, 2021

Opinion | The phony GOP calls for ‘unity’ deserve nothing but contempt – The Washington Post https://t.co/46gPAXlnPw

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) January 11, 2021

Abraham Lincoln, Cooper Union Speech, 1860 pic.twitter.com/RyQQXJDazJ

— Paul Musgrave (@profmusgrave) January 12, 2021

it’s more than ironic that the tough hardass politically incorrect republicans want to reason with and appease the monster and talk about its feelings while the soft participation trophy democrats just say fuck you

— kilgore trout, brad r’s brother (@KT_So_It_Goes) January 12, 2021

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    1. 1.

      japa21

      January 13, 2021 at 7:10 am

      I haven’t decided which is a stronger emotion for me right now. Anger or hope.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:10 am

      Abraham Lincoln was cool.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      mali muso

      January 13, 2021 at 7:14 am

      @japa21: porque no los dos? Also, happy to see you doing well and posting.

      I wonder when I will have another work day in which I can actually focus? Today is not going to be that day.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      debbie

      January 13, 2021 at 7:14 am

      Really, Karen? You literally shit inside the Capitol and now plea for unity? In the midst of a Constitutional crisis, Gym, you now whine about having to wear a mask?

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 7:14 am

      NBC News:

      WASHINGTON — Signaling a dramatic new direction for U.S. foreign assistance, President-elect Joe Biden is expected to announce Wednesday that he will nominate former U.N. Ambassador Samantha Power to head the U.S. Agency for International Development, according to transition officials.

      Biden is also expected to enhance Power’s role by elevating the position to membership on the National Security Council.

      Excellent choice for that role, IMO. She’ll have a lot of rebuilding to do.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 7:15 am

      @mali muso: Right? My productivity is in the shitter these days.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:15 am

      @mali muso:

      I have the same problem.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Raven

      January 13, 2021 at 7:19 am

      The daughter of the woman who got punched in the face outs her!

      Reply
    9. 9.

      debbie

      January 13, 2021 at 7:20 am

      @mali muso:

      Although it is good to be working remotely because I’d lose my mind and rip faces off co-workers who weren’t as angry as me or who were defending these assholes.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Raven

      January 13, 2021 at 7:21 am

       

      Mr. Trump called the vice president’s residence to push one last time.

      “You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Mr. Trump told him, according to two people briefed on the conversation, “or you can go down in history as a pussy.”

      Reply
    11. 11.

      debbie

      January 13, 2021 at 7:22 am

      @Raven:

      Good. The MAGAt was the first to make physical contact; she deserved it.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:23 am

      @Raven:

      That quote should be a rotating tag.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 7:26 am

      @Raven: I saw that on Twitter! The daughter says the mom was “brainwashed” by the MAGA cult. A lot of people were. I hope at least some of them can regain their senses and examine what made them susceptible to the con.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      satby

      January 13, 2021 at 7:28 am

      @Baud: nope. My sons had to find other ways to insult men than by calling them the slang for a female body part. Our bodies are not insults.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      JPL

      January 13, 2021 at 7:29 am

      @Baud: CNN calls it the P word.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:31 am

      @satby:

      Well, my body is an insult, but I take your point.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:31 am

      @japa21:

      I haven’t decided which is a stronger emotion for me right now. Anger or hope. 

      Hopefully bashing the Russthuglicans with their own bones in anger?

      Reply
    18. 18.

      raven

      January 13, 2021 at 7:32 am

      @debbie: Fuckin right. The sister dotted her eye!

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Kathleen

      January 13, 2021 at 7:32 am

      @Betty Cracker: I know. I’m getting new high priority project at work today and need to engage work task brain at eleventy. My productivity has been minimal and I don’t like that.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      Patricia Kayden

      January 13, 2021 at 7:33 am

      Just now.

      Trump, House GOP relationship suddenly deteriorates https://t.co/kbnypW3vuw pic.twitter.com/ajMg0r6y3O— The Hill (@thehill) January 13, 2021

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Cameron

      January 13, 2021 at 7:34 am

      @Raven: And we know how that went, don’t we?

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:34 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      I wonder if there’s a way to reach out to still normal people who are adjacent to MAGAs.  Help them fight the brainwashing.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      japa21

      January 13, 2021 at 7:35 am

      @mrmoshpotato: I like that.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Kathleen

      January 13, 2021 at 7:36 am

      @debbie: Yes! I also work at home now so don’t have to deal with MAGAT mojo.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:36 am

      Tarnished by last week’s riot at the Capitol, Donald Trump is ending his presidency with his lowest-ever poll numbers.

       

      A new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll pegs Trump’s approval at just 34 percent, the lowest in four years of tracking opinions of the president’s job performance. More than six in 10 voters — 63 percent — disapprove.

       

      Reply
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      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:37 am

      @Raven: Wonder if her mom will be charged with anything.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:39 am

      @Baud: No.  No Trump trash in the rotating tags.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      OzarkHillbilly

      January 13, 2021 at 7:39 am

      Blech.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:39 am

      How Ted Cruz wasted his intellect to back Donald Trump’s fraud

      As a reminder, both Cruz and Hawley went to Ivy League schools and clerked on the Supreme Court.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      debbie

      January 13, 2021 at 7:41 am

      @Baud:

      Has there been any action taken toward censuring them and others like them in Congress?

      Reply
    31. 31.

      Punchy

      January 13, 2021 at 7:45 am

      @Baud: that after 2 impeachments, a pandemic response that was as bad as they get, and all the lies, stealing, etc….more than a third of the country is still all “hells yeah, Trump!” is a terrible sign going forward.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:45 am

      @Baud:

      Tarnished by last week’s riot at the Capitol, Donald Trump is ending his presidency with his lowest-ever poll numbers. 

      I guess the rest of this Soviet shitpile’s bastard presidency was just fucking awesome!

      Suck an ass’s ass, POLITICO!

      Reply
    33. 33.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:46 am

      @OzarkHillbilly:

      Blech. 

      Late.  You tired? 😁

      Reply
    34. 34.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:48 am

      @Baud:

      Ted Cruz wasted his intellect

      CNN is writing fanfic for this last week of these atrocious four years!

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 7:49 am

      Did anyone see Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) hysterical, hyperbolic and just plain weird statement to defend his (nonexistent) honor and (shitty) reputation, apparently in response to a bill to censure him? The statement included an account of his clean driving record. He should STFU and hope censure is the worst consequence he faces. He ought to be expelled.

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    36. 36.

      p.a.

      January 13, 2021 at 7:49 am

      Bill Russell: Wilt hit my fist with his face…

      Apocryphal?  Too early to check🥴

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 7:50 am

      @Punchy:

      Trump, mostly by chance, also enjoyed a good economy, and a lot of his supporters saw their 401(k)’s improve.  We already know from the election that 46% prefer Trump despite anything.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:54 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      The statement included an account of his clean driving record. 

      LOL What?

      Reply
    39. 39.

      satby

      January 13, 2021 at 7:54 am

      @Baud: The election was before a lot (±12%) saw the logical conclusion of whipping up people with a frenzy of lies and conspiracy theories.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      OzarkHillbilly

      January 13, 2021 at 7:56 am

      Arizona Reps. Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar implicated by activist in Capitol insurrection

      There is more than a little irony in a situation when a couple of guys who spread conspiracy theories about election fraud are implicated in what they’ll call a conspiracy theory.

      A little bit of “you reap what you sow.”

      A little bit of “what goes around comes around.”

      A little bit of “karma is a b****.”

      The right-wing political activist Ali Alexander says that Arizona Reps. Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs worked with him to plan pro-Trump rallies, including the one that ended with an attack on the Capitol.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 7:58 am

      One of my buddies about the Wisconsin at Michigan basketball game last night:

      This game was like watching someone drive over a badger with a bus, then backing up over the badger, before getting out of the bus, beating the shit out of the badger’s corpse with a baseball bat before desecrating its corpse and using its intestines in a satanic ritual to bring the badger back to life, only to run the badger over with the bus again.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      JML

      January 13, 2021 at 7:59 am

      Racist trash fire neo-fascist leaving police union job early

      Can’t come soon enough. Anyone wanna bet that Bob Kroll had a Parler account and some bad things might be contained in there for the reason he’s leaving 4 months early?

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Matt McIrvin

      January 13, 2021 at 8:01 am

      @Betty Cracker: Another one that will make the Greenwald fans’ heads explode.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 13, 2021 at 8:02 am

      @JML: I still want to know why they required SSNs.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 8:02 am

      Question relating to a recent LGM post I saw: Has Jacobin magazine always been trash, or were they once decent and went downhill? I remember years ago they got a pretty good write up in Vox.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 8:03 am

      @mrmoshpotato: For real. Here it is.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 8:04 am

      Does anyone know who the impeachment managers are?

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 8:05 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/pelosi-letter-naming-impeachment-managers/index.html

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 8:09 am

      @Baud: I’ve never been a regular reader, but my impression as an occasional browser is that it was kind of interesting before it became a Bernie fanfic publication.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Immanentize

      January 13, 2021 at 8:10 am

      @Raven: She fucked around and found out.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      sab

      January 13, 2021 at 8:11 am

      Jeez!! My old accounting firm wants me back for tax season. I quit in March last year because they didn’t mask. Or rather, they said they did but they cheated so much it didn’t count.

      I could use the money, but my family really needs me to be alive for a while. (I hope they want me alive longer, but the short term needs part is the current issue.) So I get to stew about this choice today. First world, upper middle class problems, I know.

      Back before Covid I loved these guys. This is actually a decision for me, and a tough one.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 8:13 am

      @Baud: Thanks! Glad Raskin has a leading role. There was an article in The Atlantic the other day where he was interviewed about his experience during the insurrection. I was meaning to do a post on it. His daughter and son-in-law were there in the chamber, and Raskin could not take them with him when the members were evacuated. He asked his chief of staff to guard them with her life, and she did! She holed up in his office with the Raskin family members behind a desk, standing guard in the dark at the locked door with a fire poker as seditionists occasionally pounded on the door but did not break it down, fortunately. Just surreal.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Kristine

      January 13, 2021 at 8:14 am

      @sab: Will they let you work from home and Zoom any meetings?

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 8:14 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      Believe it or not, I actually do like reading different points of view.  But I’m finding it increasingly hard to locate different points of view that are credible.  I gave up on conservative publications a long time ago because they will just lie to you or repeat talking points that have no substance.  The left side is still better, but they tend to be wordier, so in that sense they waste more of my time.  It’s frustrating.

      Thanks.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Spanky

      January 13, 2021 at 8:15 am

      @sab: Demand to work remotely or no deal.

      Seriously, you’re the one with the bargaining power here.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      sab

      January 13, 2021 at 8:16 am

      @Baud: Vox often says stupid stuff. I saw an article last year where a black writer from NYC was surprised to find black people in the Midwest. ( Chicago? Kansas City? Cleveland? Detroit?) They pulled it fast, but they did publish it.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 8:16 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      Roskin’s story over the last week could be a movie.  Incredible.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Geminid

      January 13, 2021 at 8:16 am

      @Baud: I wouldn’t necessarily call Jerkobin Magazine trash. But they put out a lot of turgid neo-Marxist gobbledygook that is hard to read. They climb down off the ivory tower sometimes to more directly undermine Democrats. This summer Jerkobin had an article about Stacey Abrams, explaining to credulous readers how Abrams is not what she is cracked up to be. The author picked a few nits in her record as a Georgia legislator, but his main gripe was that even when she voted right, Abrams would justify her position on pragmatic grounds.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Immanentize

      January 13, 2021 at 8:17 am

      @Baud: That list is fire! 🔥🔥🔥

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Baud

      January 13, 2021 at 8:17 am

      @Geminid:

      Thanks.  The LGM post was actually about a Jacobin tweet relating to be insurrection.  It was, for lack of a better word, offensive.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Bruuuuce

      January 13, 2021 at 8:18 am

      I know the House is busy with impeachment, but I really hope that when they get down to business, they expel The Dumbest Man In Congress (Louie Gohmert) for his explicit call for violence before the insurrection.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Gin & Tonic

      January 13, 2021 at 8:18 am

      Reading reports that almost 5 months after his attempted murder by poison, Alexei Navalny is planning to return to Russia. Seems to me that politicians in the US who talk about “hard choices” and “strength” aren’t worthy to scrape the mud off his shoes.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      zhena gogolia

      January 13, 2021 at 8:22 am

      @Baud:

      He didn’t mean it that way!

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Princess

      January 13, 2021 at 8:24 am

      I know the discourse of “brainwashing” is popular in the United States because it seems to exculpate people, but I don’t like it. These were people who lived in their own homes, went to work, and had their own social circles. They chose who to listen to and what they would assent to. They made bad moral choices which led to more bad moral choices. They weren’t “brainwashed” in any meaningful sense of the term. They are fully culpable for the thoughts they think and the actions they pursued.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      TS (the original)

      January 13, 2021 at 8:24 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      I am reading too many things at the minute that have me doubting my reality – that statement was insanity by any other name

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 8:25 am

      @Baud: I wonder if the Intercept improved after Greenwald flounced? I haven’t really looked at it since then.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      satby

      January 13, 2021 at 8:26 am

      @sab: they may have gotten a lot more mask compliant than they were in March, when it was all new. It may be worth checking out before dismissing going back.

      Edit: or yeah, remote work is an option maybe.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      Immanentize

      January 13, 2021 at 8:27 am

      Oh, but, it’s just a week!

      pic.twitter.com/d1d4urACfG— Phlip (@Pen_Bird) January 13, 2021

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Jeffery

      January 13, 2021 at 8:28 am

      @Kathleen:  A few saw what happened at the Capitol building and were appalled. For a lot of them this was the natural correct outcome. Cults are hard to leave when the echo machine inside the cult reinforces the mythology.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Immanentize

      January 13, 2021 at 8:29 am

      @Betty Cracker: my favorite part is where he goes out of his way to call MLK a patriot!  Brooks would have had him arrested for wearing a suit back then.

      Makes me angry — back to japa’s comment — anger over hope, for sure right now.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 8:30 am

      @Princess: Good point, but maybe there’s another way to look at it — brainwashing implies an intentional effort from above to indoctrinate people and get them to believe cray-cray shit. I don’t think the brainwashed necessarily lose their agency; as you say, they made bad choices. But if you put it all on the individuals, that could be construed as an exculpation of the people who designed a web of lies for their own purposes. In this case, the individuals who swallowed the lies and the liars at the top are jointly to blame, IMO.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      sab

      January 13, 2021 at 8:30 am

      @Kristine: Flip phone so I can’t zoom. I quit because they wanted in person meetings with a dozen people in a tiny conference room to discuss how to deal with the pandemic.

      And then the cheating on masks thing.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      JML

      January 13, 2021 at 8:31 am

      @mrmoshpotato: no idea why they thought collecting SSNs (and not encrypting their data) was a good idea, but they sure made it easier for law enforcement to link people to their Parler accounts.

      Getting rid of Bob Kroll, even if it was already coming is such a relief in MN. He’s the worst, he consistently got a media platform to spray around inflammatory and racist crap, and is the single biggest obstacle in trying to do anything regarding police reform.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      sab

      January 13, 2021 at 8:31 am

      @Spanky: I agree.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      NotMax

      January 13, 2021 at 8:32 am

      So begins the denouement of Operation Death Star.

      Stay on target.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Chetan Murthy

      January 13, 2021 at 8:34 am

      @sab: One presumes they could provide you with a Chromebook (cheep) for Zoom meetings?   I also would not do in-person work unless I were compelled by economic need.  Too damn dangerous.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      RandomMonster

      January 13, 2021 at 8:36 am

      @Betty Cracker: Technical question. Is expulsion an option? Does the legislature vote on it, and what kind of majority is needed?

      Reply
    78. 78.

      Immanentize

      January 13, 2021 at 8:37 am

      @sab: Why not just take this very kind comment, turn it into a letter to the principles of the firm and ask for their solution to your very real conflict — love of the job versus love and safety of your family.  See what they say?

      Reply
    79. 79.

      satby

      January 13, 2021 at 8:37 am

      @sab: You can zoom on any platform practically, so if you have a tablet or pc you could use that. But even some of the rednecks at the farmers market starting wearing masks as the pandemic has gone on, grudgingly but still putting them on. So it may not be the same as last March.

      A lot of people have had to make the same calculation: whether they can survive without the income or whether they should work and just do all they can to limit exposure.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      H.E.Wolf

      January 13, 2021 at 8:37 am

      @Baud: Has Jacobin magazine always been trash, or were they once decent and went downhill?

      Their choice of name lends itself to the former theory.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Immanentize

      January 13, 2021 at 8:38 am

      @RandomMonster:

      Expulsion is an option.  Each chamber has their own rules, but I do think it is some kind of super majority in the Senate.  Don’t know about the House.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      gene108

      January 13, 2021 at 8:41 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      My two favorite parts in his “defense” are:

      my cell phone records, on Tuesday morning, January 5, I had a telephone call with Brian Jack, White House Political Director. He asked me to speak at the Trump rally the next day, Wednesday morning.

      and the preceding paragraph:

      For the record, I have never knowingly associated or communicated with any of those groups in my life and I certainly had no inkling any of these groups were a part of the Trump rally at the Ellipse. Perhaps, at some political event, I have had a photo with one, or a five second conversation with another, but, if so, I don’t recall it and paid no attention to it.

      Interesting how he implicates the White House in the planning of the incitement, as well as admits white supremacists are big fans of his.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Geminid

      January 13, 2021 at 8:42 am

      @sab: A customer of mine works as a consultant and writes books about “corporate transformation.” He’s in his early 70s but still active. We were talking about the effects of the pandemic, and he said that brick and mortar headquarters would decline. One reason is that executives realize that the in-person meetings they used to have were inefficient, and wasted a lot of time in preparation and meeting.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Ken

      January 13, 2021 at 8:45 am

      @Patricia Kayden: Trump, House GOP relationship suddenly deteriorates

      I’m blanking on which Shakespeare play has the scene where a ruler is given a list of enemies that will be killed.  Richard III, perhaps; or Julius Caesar?

      Anyway, perhaps some Republicans found out their names were on such a list.  I’ve heard that Pence was one of the ones the insurrectionists were hunting.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Bruuuuce

      January 13, 2021 at 8:45 am

      @Immanentize:

      The United States Constitution (Article I, Section 5, Clause 2) provides that “Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.”

      That’s Wikipedia, but the text is in there and this is a clear, concise explanation.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      sab

      January 13, 2021 at 8:46 am

      @satby: Remote is the only way I would work.

      My stepson got Covid from an idiot coworker who went to a babyshower. Infected her whole workforce. He nearly infected his inlaws at Thanksgiving, and he did infect his fiance who nearly infected her preschool autistic clients  and their parents and her parents. The only thing that stopped the spread was his company is insanely protective of its workforce and tests all the time.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      RandomMonster

      January 13, 2021 at 8:47 am

      @Immanentize: If all of the accused are not allowed to vote on their own expulsions, maybe we would have a super-majority!

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Ken

      January 13, 2021 at 8:48 am

      @mrmoshpotato: I still want to know why they required SSNs.

      A lot of financial services use the SSN as part of authentication; also the birth date, which is on the driver’s license that Parler also required.  I’m not saying Parler had long-range plans to drain people’s bank accounts and 401Ks, but the information they were collecting would have made that easier.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Soprano2

      January 13, 2021 at 8:51 am

      @japa21: I haven’t decided which is a stronger emotion for me right now. Anger or hope.

      For me, it’s hope that things start to get better for everyone on January 20th, and incandescent rage at what happened at the Capitol last Wednesday. Right now rage is stronger, but hope is gaining as the days go by.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Chetan Murthy

      January 13, 2021 at 8:51 am

      @Ken: From what I read, Parler allowed posters to (somehow) monetize retweets of their posts.  Ostensibly in order to be able to report to the IRS these earnings, Parler required this information.  At least, that’s what I read.  Obvs. I am dubious of the honesty of Parler’s stated intention, even while I believe that that *is* what they stated.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Chetan Murthy

      January 13, 2021 at 8:53 am

      @japa21: Incandescent fucking rage.  Woodchippers and running chainsaws figure prominently in my rage-filled daydreams.  These miserable excuses for Americans.  Jesus.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Betty Cracker

      January 13, 2021 at 8:53 am

      @RandomMonster: Great question. I don’t know.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Searcher

      January 13, 2021 at 8:55 am

      … was Booth referencing the Cooper Union speech in his assassination?

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Soprano2

      January 13, 2021 at 8:56 am

      @mrmoshpotato: I still want to know why they required SSNs.

      Some people think Parler was just a big FBI operation. LOL

      Reply
    95. 95.

      sab

      January 13, 2021 at 9:00 am

      @Chetan Murthy: I am just low key always simmering anger that is chipper on the surface. Seems more useful long term.

      We probably need to ask African Americans who have 500 years experience with dealing with this anger and sometimes hope.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      rikyrah

      January 13, 2021 at 9:01 am

      Good Morning, Everyone 😊😊😊

      Happy Impeachment Day 👊👏👊

      Reply
    97. 97.

      rikyrah

      January 13, 2021 at 9:03 am

      @japa21:

      Not either/or

      Both/and

      Reply
    98. 98.

      LurkerNoLonger

      January 13, 2021 at 9:07 am

      @rikyrah: Good morning. Impeachment Day feels like it comes earlier every year.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Gin & Tonic

      January 13, 2021 at 9:11 am

      @Soprano2: Even if it wasn’t, I’ll bet the farm that AWS complied with a lawful subpoena and provided the FBI with a clone of Parler’s environment.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      jonas

      January 13, 2021 at 9:25 am

      @Geminid: but his main gripe was that even when she voted right, Abrams would justify her position on pragmatic grounds.

      Reminds me of the old joke poli-sci students would crack in grad school: “Sure it works in practice. But does it work in theory?”

      Reply
    101. 101.

      jonas

      January 13, 2021 at 9:33 am

      @Searcher: I don’t think so. From what I remember, Booth was really set off by a speech Lincoln had given shortly after the Appomattox surrender wherein he gave support to suffrage for freed slaves.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Uncle Cosmo

      January 13, 2021 at 9:38 am

      @Baud: When Ben Cardin decides to hang ’em up, Jamie should slide right nicely into that seat. John Sarbanes (MD-03) might primary him for the seat (which, like his current position IIRC was his late father’s) but I’d hate to lose either of them from our delegation.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      narya

      January 13, 2021 at 9:42 am

      @sab:  And you may be able to get your hands on N95 masks at this point, and goggles, for the times when you do need to be in the office. I think the supply chain isn’t as f’ked up as it once was?

      Reply
    104. 104.

      Soprano2

      January 13, 2021 at 9:59 am

      @Gin & Tonic:  I saw something on Twitter that purported to be a map of cell phones with Parler on them in the Capitol; it said the info had been shared with the FBI. It’s shocking to me how many of these people seemed to have honestly thought they were going to get away with it and not have to pay any kind of price.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      Immanentize

      January 13, 2021 at 10:13 am

      Best cartoon today?  Ever?

      lol pic.twitter.com/GzQjoJF8fG— The Creator Goddess Tiamat (@SariellaEternal) January 12, 2021

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Woodrow/asim

      January 13, 2021 at 10:16 am

      @Soprano2: It’s shocking to me how many of these people seemed to have honestly thought they were going to get away with it and not have to pay any kind of price.

      I’m not the first to say this, yet: White Supremacy is a Hell of a Drug.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Miss Bianca

      January 13, 2021 at 10:31 am

      @Baud: My recollection is that Jacobin was a fairly decent read before 2016. As were a lot of lefty-thought blogs like Crooked Timber. Then something happened in 2016, something about a woman running for POTUS, that made them all lose their damn white-male-privileged-academic minds. Sort of a lefty MAGA effect. I haven’t been back to either since then.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Citizen Alan

      January 13, 2021 at 10:34 am

      @Baud:   As far as I’m concerned, it has been trashed ever since they picked the damn name.  It completely sums up their idiotic mentality to say “Well, the reign of terror was bad, but we shouldn’t let it overshadow all the good things robespierre did.”

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Steeplejack (phone)

      January 13, 2021 at 10:43 am

      @sab:

      Maybe their mask attitude has improved after 300,000 additional deaths since March?

      Reply
    110. 110.

      WaterGirl

      January 13, 2021 at 11:03 am

      @Spanky: @sab:

      I was going to say exactly that.  Work from home or no deal.  And if you would need to interact with the public in order to do the job, then the answer is ‘no’.

      With as careful as you have been, why risk it now?  it is entirely unlikely that these people have changed, even if they say they have.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      WaterGirl

      January 13, 2021 at 11:05 am

      @sab: If the phone is the issue, make them supply you with one.

      You are the one with the power here.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      J R in WV

      January 13, 2021 at 11:08 am

       

      It was Antifa but it was no big deal but it was patriots fighting for their country but everyone condemns what happened but if you punish Trump they might do it again but it’s censorship to prevent them but what we need to do now is just heal and move on.
      — Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) January 13, 2021

      I don’t know who this Chovanec person is, but isn’t this “…but what we need to do now is just heal and more on” pronouncement just way too close to giving aid and comfort to the insurrectionists? In other words, shouldn’t the people calling for love and healing, forgiveness, etc be indicted for the same insurrection all the January 6th loons will be indicted for?

      Just my opinion here. But I think any Republican (esp including the members of congress who voted against Biden’s electors) rooting for Trump’s fraudulent “re-election” is also providing aid and comfort to the insurrection, and should be indicted for that obvious (to me) crime!

      Reply
    113. 113.

      J R in WV

      January 13, 2021 at 11:28 am

      @sab:

      My old accounting firm wants me back for tax season. I quit in March last year because they didn’t mask. Or rather, they said they did but they cheated so much it didn’t count.

      Make it clear that the first time you see a mask on a chin, or not over a nose, you drop everything and leave that instant. ETA: Paid a week in advance because you expect them to cheat on the masking, and don’t want to have to fight for your already performed work!

      They get to figure out where you were on which account after you’re gone. And don’t take anything to work outside of a pack you can pick up on your way out. Stand up, pick up your pack and your coat, walk out. Block their numbers.

      Just my $0.02 of advice, worth every dollar you paid for it. They don’t deserve much respect. They know why you quit the first time, right?

      Reply
    114. 114.

      J R in WV

      January 13, 2021 at 11:47 am

      @sab:

      We probably need to ask African Americans who have 500 years experience with dealing with this anger and sometimes hope.

      Perhaps this is why our African American brothers and sisters have high blood pressure and poorer health outcomes? Constant stress and fear of Jim Crow?

      I hate that as much as I hate the insurrection last Jan 6th.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      A Streeter

      January 13, 2021 at 12:30 pm

      @Baud: About Jacobin: maybe 5 years ago a friend alerted me to a Jacobin feature article about the late urbanist Jane Jacobs (“Death and Life of Great American Cities” and others). It was clear that the Jacobin writer had read no more than the table of contents of DLGAC, if that, had no interest in Jacobs’s actual ideas, and wanted only to attach her name to his own anti-gentrification strawwoman.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      artem1s

      January 13, 2021 at 1:16 pm

      @Raven:

      Duke said she believes her mom — a former Democrat who abruptly changed her political views about three years ago — has been “brainwashed” by the MAGA movement.

      pro-life or pizza-gate radicalization?

      Reply
    117. 117.

      artem1s

      January 13, 2021 at 1:18 pm

      @sab:

      Jeez!! My old accounting firm wants me back for tax season. I quit in March last year because they didn’t mask. Or rather, they said they did but they cheated so much it didn’t count.

      go to their closest competitors and ask them if they need help during tax season. Doesn’t everyone?

      Reply

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