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  1. 1.

    Mary G

    I am irrationally happy to see the Republican votes for impeachment got into double digits. It will piss Twitler off no end.

  2. 2.

    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch

    BREAKING: This is now the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in American history.

  4. 4.

    R-Jud

    Just as the vote passed 217, one of the cats came trotting in and dropped a dead rat on the floor.

     

    Omen? 🧐

  5. 5.

    MisterForkbeard

    I’m also seeing that the media is basically saying the Gym Jordan and McCarthy are completely full of shit in their defenses of Trump.

    “This isn’t about ‘cancelling’. It’s about saving our Democracy as we know it. This is about a president who refused to concede when he clearly lost and incited an insurrection to try and illegally hold onto power.”

    That was on CNN, which usually hedges things a lot more than that.

  7. 7.

    dmsilev

    10 GOP Reps voting for impeachment is more than I would have guessed. Less than it should have been, considering the offense, but at least there were those few.

  8. 8.

    MisterForkbeard

    @different-church-lady: Well, 130+ Republicans voted to overturn the election and give it to Trump, so I’m not terribly surprised by this.

    I would have hoped more would see the light, but nope.

  11. 11.

    Ken

    I’m trying to remember something pre-pandemic.  Wasn’t there a Republican representative who, before the vote for the first Trump impeachment, warned that the next President to be impeached would be a Democrat?  Or am I just remembering it that way so I can gloat “Wrong again”?

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    WaPost banner headline:

    TRUMP IMPEACHED AGAIN

    The AGAIN just cracks me up.

    FTFNYTimes:

    Majority of House Votes to Impeach Trump

  18. 18.

    different-church-lady

    @Kelly: Yeah, but he’s all like, “These people are disgraceful, but we can’t have consequences for that or anything…”

  23. 23.

    mac8

    My rep (Anthony Gonzalez OH-16) is one of the Republicans who voted to impeach.  I am happy about this not just because I am represented by someone sane but also by the idea that he might actually listen to opposing viewpoints and that calling his office in the future won’t be useless.

  24. 24.

    guachi

    @Kent: Maybe the brand new Rep. Meijer from Michigan. If only because he’s so new we can’t know how he might have voted.

  25. 25.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Ken: They’ll impeach Biden about 146 times once they get control of the House back, but it’ll be worth it.

  27. 27.

    MisterForkbeard

    @different-church-lady: There’s been a number of elected Republicans saying “What Donald Trump did was really awful, but he’s out in 7 days and I don’t think the Senate Republicans will pick it up before them, so I’m just saying he doesn’t deserve any punishment and the REAL villains here are the Democrats.”

    Because they’re assholes.

  28. 28.

    Kent

    Here is is.  I freeze-framed CNN to transcribe.  GOPers voting for impeachment:

    Liz Cheney

    Jaime Herrera Beutler (my Congresswoman)

    John Katko

    Adam Kinzinger

    Fred Upton

    Dan Newhouse

    Peter Meijer

    Anthony Gonzalez

    Tom Rice

    David Valadao

  34. 34.

    Ken

    We’ve discussed it several times over the last week, but I’m confused (perhaps I shouldn’t have read the discussion).  How much of Trump’s pardon power is now blocked?  All of it, or just for crimes relating to the articles of impeachment?

  36. 36.

    dmsilev

    @different-church-lady: At least one GOP Rep had the gall to complain that impeachment was distracting from the COVID crisis. Sure, because that’s what Trump was laser-focused on before, out of the blue, he just happened to get accused of sedition and of aiding an insurrection.

  37. 37.

    Feckless

    The 195 who are still protecting this POS need to have their names written across the sky, all under one heading: traitor

  39. 39.

    Martin

    @guachi: He was very outspoken over the last week. He wasn’t a definitive yes until he saw the articles, but he was very clear on where blame lay. This from 4 days ago:

    We can’t paper over the assault on the Capitol with empty calls for ‘unity.’ Unless my party faces the truth of what happened and holds those responsible to account, we will never regain the public’s trust and earn the honor of leading the nation forward.

  41. 41.

    LadySuzy

    @dmsilev: The networks were talking about 5. Maybe the others kept things under their vest till the last minute. But maybe there were some fence sitters, who had a moment of courage at the last moment. They understood what their duty was. I have empathy for them. Their lives are indeed in danger in the present climate. They and their families will need extra security. It’s all come to this. Unbelievable.

  42. 42.

    dmsilev

    @mrmoshpotato: Maybe it could be a new annual holiday. January 13th is Impeach Trump day, with chocolate and a dedicated line of greeting cards and everything.

  43. 43.

    Aleta

    Now toss out and arrest the Republicans in Congress who conspired with or aided the terrorists.

  44. 44.

    Kent

    @Feckless: But…they aren’t really protecting him.  They just have “concerns” about the process.  And besides….BLM so “both sides”

  45. 45.

    CaseyL

    More relieved than anything else.

    I don’t expect the Senate to convene; if it does convene, I don’t expect it to convict. If the Senate doesn’t convict, for whatever reason, I hope that turns out to be something the Biden Administration can hold over their (McConnell’s) head for the next four years.

    Next task: Getting rid of the Seditionist Caucus.

  46. 46.

    Kelly

    @Feckless:

    The 195 who are still protecting this POS need to have their names written across the sky, all under one heading: traitor

    Perhaps commemorative urinal mats

  48. 48.

    Benw

    Whelp, the Democrats have just unleashed impeachment. If you don’t think that AS SOON as the Republicans control the House they are going to turn this around and use it THE SECOND a Democratic candidate refuses to concede an obvious loss and tries to overthrow the government with a violent coup, you’re nuts!!

    Srsly tho, WOOT!!

  49. 49.

    Elizabelle

    Listened to a bit of this on the radio while out on errands.  You guys are made of stronger stuff if you could listen to those Republicans.

    Did listen when the unexpected Republican announced he would vote yes, and got applause, although could not tell you who he was.

    Otherwise, it was a bunch of shrieking about rioters destroying cities, the stuff Democrats say … anything but deal with the issue at hand.  Cowards and bloviators, all of them.

  52. 52.

    The Dangerman

    @different-church-lady: I don’t think there are 195 R’s that like what’s going on. I think there are many, many of that 195 that are gutless, spineless, wusses. But I might vote the same way if I wanted to sleep without a gun near my bed. Strange days.

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    @Ken

    Only for what’s cited in the article as passed, and only for any pardons applying to himself. There never was, and still is not, any alteration or interruption of the power of pardon otherwise.

  54. 54.

    jl

    @CaseyL: “Getting rid of the Seditionist Caucus.”

    I heard a news blurb this morning that officials at various levels investigating the alleged conspirators who are members of Congress. I think the results of those investigations need to be made public, and I don’t care if that is SOP or not. We are in the midst of a national emergency.

  56. 56.

    EthylEster

    @Kelly: Henry Olsen, the other delusional WaPo GOPer opinion writer, caved today also. One day after penning his usual tripe.

  58. 58.

    Ken

    @dmsilev: Maybe it could be a new annual holiday. January 13th is Impeach Trump day

    Too close to both New Years and MLK Day.  We need something in August, though.

    However, you remind me that one of Trump’s first acts was to declare his inauguration a national day of joy and thanksgiving, or something ridiculous like that.

  61. 61.

    Brachiator

    Come on let’s impeach again,
    Like we did last summer!
    Yeaaah, let’s impeach again,
    Like we did last year!

    Do you remember when,
    Things were really hummin’,
    Yeaaaah, let’s impeach again,
    Impeachment time is here!

    Heeee, and round and round and up and down we go again!
    Oh, baby, make me know you love democracy eeeeee!
    And then:

    Impeach again,
    Like we did last summer,
    Come on, let’s impeach again,
    Like we did last year!

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Feckless:

    The 195 who are still protecting this POS need to have their names written across the sky, all under one heading: traitor 

    Maybe the shitpile who trashed NATO via newspaper ad back in ’87 can bankroll it.

    Who was that traitorous Soviet shitpile mobster conman anyway?  Anyone remember?

  64. 64.

    jl

    @different-church-lady: There is nugget of truth to it though. The GOP, unless it is purged of authoritarians and ruthless swindlers, will impeach the next Democratic president when they  have the majority.

    And that is a threat that GOPers have been making to try to prevent this impeachment. Kind of a hollow threat, since they’ve already impeached a Democratic president on a flimsy, hypocritical, and dishonest pretext.

  65. 65.

    randy khan

    @Ken:

    The pardon power is absolute, so it is not blocked at all.  He can’t pardon his way out of impeachment because it’s not a criminal matter.

  67. 67.

    Captain C

    @jl: They already did that with Clinton and would have with Obama if they could have found something to nail him on that wouldn’t have resulted in everyone but the Crazified 27% laughing them out of government.

  68. 68.

    NotMax

    @NotMax

    “Why didn’t you vote?”

    “I was, um, temporarily impaired. Boy, did I pick the wrong day to have Taco Bell for breakfast!”

    //

  69. 69.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Did the vote finish up with 10 Republicans? Here’s their states:

    NY
    IL
    WY
    MI (2)
    WA (2)
    SC
    OH
    CA

    Gonna have to check out Tom Rice, South Carolina rep. He bucked the entire Confederacy.

  70. 70.

    eponymous

    Yes! And, since I didn’t make it in the last thread, my deep sympathies to Miss Bianca for having Qbert as her representative. I strongly feel that dumb gunskank is planning to assassinate Dems, particularly Nancy.

    (I use skank for men, too…for instance, man-skank Jared Kushner)

  72. 72.

    karen marie

    @The Dangerman:  They put themselves in this position when they went along with – and endlessly repeated – Trump’s “I was robbed!” bullshit.  Rather than concern for themselves, they should be reflecting on how their words and actions have put others at risk.

  73. 73.

    Brachiator

    @jl:

    And that is a threat that GOPers have been making to try to prevent this impeachment. Kind of a hollow threat, since they’ve already impeached a Democratic president on a flimsy, hypocritical, and dishonest pretext.

    Yep. The Republicans have had every opportunity to show that they believed in something more than crass, cynical partisanship. They have failed. It doesn’t matter what threats they make.

    We just have to be ready to take them on when necessary.

  74. 74.

    TS (the original)

    @jl:  A full blown Benghazi style inquiry with trump & his legislative supporters having to answer questions at public hearings again and again and again

    That is what is needed.

  76. 76.

    Roger Moore

    @Ken:

    The thing about “except in cases of impeachment” is understood to mean that the president can’t undo an impeachment using his pardon power.  So if Trump were thrown out of office tomorrow and barred from holding office again, Pence couldn’t make him eligible to serve in office again with a pardon.

  77. 77.

    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch

    ‘I feel betrayed’ — [major Republican donor] Ken Langone blasts Trump and Capitol rioters, vows to support Biden

    Who could have known a know-nothing, fraudulent, bankrupt, half-wit clown would turn out so bad.

  79. 79.

    moonbat

    @jl: Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah. That’s what they kept saying during (checks notes) all eight years of Obama’s terms but he ran such a squeaky clean administration they had nothing on him.

    They always try to use that as a cudgel to keep Democrats from doing the right thing.

  82. 82.

    Ken

    @NotMax: Hey, if 4 Republicans – or better, 40 – decide not to show up for the Senate vote on the impeachment, I’ll take it.  The text is 2/3 of those present.

  84. 84.

    Tony Gerace

    Good.   Next steps, starting a week from today, should be arrest, indictment, trial, conviction and imprisonment.  Let this swine die in prison, alone and despised.

  85. 85.

    Mike in NC

    I neglected to buy Champagne last night, but I’ll crack open an excellent Pinot Noir to celebrate the demise of this monster. In 2016 he was merely a famous criminal, in 2021 he became a traitor. He will ultimately flee to Moscow to get a pat on the head from his puppet master.

  87. 87.

    mrmoshpotato

    @dmsilev: Nah.  No need to celebrate any of this shitshow of a bastard presidency despite the motherfucker being rightfully impeached twice.

    We have another unprecedented mess to start to clean up.

  89. 89.

    Bighorn Ordovician Dolomite

    @LadySuzy: Indeed, I guess there’s a lesson that when you make your living selling rageahol to rageaholics thinks might get dicey when they hear last call.

  92. 92.

    HumboldtBlue

    Was only listening to MNBC but one congressman was quoted — “Donald Trump is a living, breathing, impeachable offense.”

  93. 93.

    Tony Gerace

    One of my family members died from covid, alone, in an ICU late last night.  I am not interested in reaching across the aisle in the spirit of comity to treat Trump supporters with respect.  They deserve no

    respect.  All of them — all 74 million of them — are responsible for the death of my relative and for the fascist invasion of the Capitol last week.  They deserve the same respect as did the “good Germans” who supported Hitler — that is, none at all.

  94. 94.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Aleta:

    Pelosi will speak from the lectern that was stolen.

    Seek for the lectern that was stolen,

    In the House of Reps it dwells

    There will be votes taken

    Stronger than QAnon spells

  104. 104.

    MJS

    @The Dangerman: If you were inclined to vote a certain way not because it’s what you believed in, but because you were afraid, then perhaps a career in the United States Congress isn’t for you. Same holds true for those Republicans. If they couldn’t bring themselves to vote their conscience, they could have just handed their resignation to Nancy Pelosi and walked out of the chambers.

  106. 106.

    Feathers

    @jl: That’s why Dems have to keep electing competent, squeaky clean Presidents. Note: not to the left’s notion of clean, but generally non-corrupt and non-adulterous.

  110. 110.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Aleta:

    Pelosi will speak from the lectern that was stolen. 

    Press conference in front of the seditious shitpile’s jail cell?

  112. 112.

    Kent

    @Feathers:@jl: That’s why Dems have to keep electing competent, squeaky clean Presidents. Note: not to the left’s notion of clean, but generally non-corrupt and non-adulterous.

    And drive a stake through the notion that well-meaning amateurs and business-types can handle the job.  It’s not the place for on-the-job training.  So please no “Oprah for President” stuff from the left.

  113. 113.

    Elizabelle

    @Aleta:   Lectern is not there, unless she’s bringing it in with her.

    Just see small table draped in blue, with a pretty light green upholstered chair behind it.

    Is Nancy Smash on CNN or MSNBC?

  119. 119.

    Raven Onthill

    Impeachy-keen.

    I think we are looking at a period in some ways analogous to the First Reconstruction, where President Andrew Johnson pardoned most of the Confederate traitors, who became the first Klan, unleashing a wave of racist terrorism in the south.

    But, also, I think we are looking at a decade of realignment where perhaps, just perhaps, the Republican Party shuffles off to Buffalo, or perhaps returns to Gamma Quadrant, while the left of the Democrats tears away to form a new party. “Join the People’s Progressive Libertarian Party! We bring peace, prosperity, and weed!”

    The Twenties will roar.

    Blog post: https://adviceunasked.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-twenties-roar.html

  124. 124.

    Baud

    @Raven Onthill:

    But, also, I think we are looking at a decade of realignment where perhaps, just perhaps, the Republican Party shuffles off to Buffalo, or perhaps returns to Gamma Quadrant, while the left of the Democrats tears away to form a new party. “Join the People’s Progressive Libertarian Party! We bring peace, prosperity, and weed!”

    I’m putting the kibosh on counting chickens before they hatch.  The GOP has a long way to go before they are destroyed, and they won’t be if we start going all People’s Front of Judea too soon.

  125. 125.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    I had my first MeWe.com argument today. Apparently, the Parler rejects are storming over to MeWe.com and MeWe.com was already a festering conservative shithole. If we want to make any progress with the mouthbreathers on the right, we need start with an initiative to mail them all a third grade reading and grammar primer.

  126. 126.

    Elizabelle

    LA Times:

    Klete Keller, the two-time Olympic gold medalist swimmer from USC, was charged Wednesday in connection with the riot at the U.S. Capitol.

    Filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, the criminal complaint charges Keller with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building, disorderly conduct in the Capitol building and impeding law enforcement.

    … [The complaint] It added: “Additional open-source research revealed that media outlets such as SwimSwam, a news organization that covers competitive swimming and other related sports, identified this individual as possibly KLETE DERIK KELLER. Your affiant has confirmed this identification.”

    KLETE DERIK KELLER.  There is something about that name ….

  128. 128.

    Lacuna Synechdoche

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I have MSNBC on, No Pelosi yet.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think Pelosi will be giving any statements or interviews tonight.

    Too much risk that it could be perceived as gloating, during a period that she wants seen as a time of crisis and tragedy.

  132. 132.

    debbie

    Jumping from 5 to 10 yea votes from the GOP is a pretty good result, especially considering some of those asshole MAGAt speeches.

  134. 134.

    Shalimar

    @CaseyL: I hope the Senate doesn’t convict, because the only way McConnell is coming back before Tuesday to convict is Trump doing something so horrible in the next 4 days that it gives 17 Republicans a spine.

  141. 141.

    cain

    The folks in gerrymandered districts are not going to lose their seats – but those who are in mixed districts – I think the fallout is going to hurt them. There is going to be a lot of malfeasance that is going to drop. The FBI is going to be looking for scalps – woke deep state is going to be going after these folks. Trumpers are going to get their civil war, but it won’t be with us.

    It’s going to suck being a conservative for the next few years because soon anybody who shows any loyalty to Trump is going make people look askance.

  143. 143.

    geg6

    @Tony Gerace:

    I am so sorry.  My deepest sympathies to you and yours.  Know that my rage is as hot as yours at the needless tragedy perpetrated upon you and your loved ones and all the other people who died due to the malicious incompetence of these people.  It doesn’t change anything you feel but maybe it will be a comfort to know others share your sadness and fury.

  146. 146.

    Elizabelle

    In happier news from the LA Times, a very pretty pet cat named “Patches” has been found alive, almost 3 years to the day after her home was obliterated in the 2018 Montecito mudslides.  Her owner was killed.

    Patches, who was microchipped, was found less than a quarter mile from the site of her home, and is being reunited with her late owner’s partner.

  147. 147.

    lee

    @Feckless:

    There are all sorts of ways to attack them. One of the ways is going after their money. Point out these Republicans are objectively bad for business in that they want insurrection and want instability. It is the same with the 147 that voted against the electoral votes.

  149. 149.

    Elizabelle

    @Feathers:   Her district should never have elected a living, breathing Fox News Chyron to Congress.

    Wonder if she might be recalled.

  150. 150.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    If we want to make any progress with the mouthbreathers on the right, we need start with an initiative to mail them all a third grade reading and grammar primer. 

    Can they be delivered via singing punch-a-Nazi telegram?

  152. 152.

    Elizabelle

    C-Span:  Photogs are all shooting the impeachment documents just placed at the small table.  Nancy up soon, I guess.

  153. 153.

    Raven Onthill

    @Baud: “I’m putting the kibosh on counting chickens before they hatch. The GOP has a long way to go before they are destroyed, and they won’t be if we start going all People’s Front of Judea too soon.”

    I did say, “Perhaps, just perhaps.” You even quoted it. And the preceding graph was dire.

    Sometimes I wonder if there is some evil imp who steals what I write before anyone reads it and replaces it with something else.

  154. 154.

    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch

    Empty boxes arrived on the White House grounds as the incoming Biden administration gets set to take over. (photo)

    The sooner he fleas to Moscow, the better.

  157. 157.

    Mary G

    @Elizabelle: More happy news from the LA Times: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris tap Tom Hanks to host starry inauguration special

    According to a Wednesday report from Deadline, the “Celebrating America” telecast will begin at 5:30 p.m. Pacific Jan. 20 on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC.

    Also set to appear in the 90-minute broadcast are Justin Timberlake, Demi Lovato, Ant Clemons and Jon Bon Jovi. More acts are expected to be announced for the show, which will also be available to stream on Amazon Prime Video, Microsoft Bing, NewsNOW from Fox, and AT&T DIRECTV and U-verse as well as the Presidential Inaugural Committee’s social media accounts.

  158. 158.

    Raven Onthill

    Also, David Atkins, “if corporate America is signaling they would rather risk higher taxes than a QAnon/Nazi takeover of government, embrace it and roll with it!” – link

  159. 159.

    Chris Johnson

    It’s gonna be spectacular if McConnell’s Senate convicts him. I would really like to see that. Not because it’s an attempt to weasel out of Trumpism, which it would be, and it’s a lot like deNazification since if we let ’em do that we’ll be sorry…

    I’d like to see it because I know numerous people, who I’m keeping at arm’s length and watching them be fucking seditiously insane, and I want to see them COPE with that. I want to see them deal with the fact that the Republicans in the Senate turned on the guy whom they think won a ‘landslide victory’.

    Any ambiguity here leaves the Republicans still riding the tiger: which is a puppet President run out of Russia as a wrecking ball, with the complicity of the VERY PEOPLE who might now turn to destroy the puppet.

    It would be great to take them all out. I am never going to forget what they did. But I badly, badly want them to try and execute that pivot, and inhibit or at least DAUNT our homegrown useful idiot terrorists. It’s worth it to me, to see the folks I know, have to face a little bit of reality.

    They’re so close to running amok, and every time that happens people die before they get brought down in turn.

  161. 161.

    Alison Rose

    @Mary G: Okay I love this. If Repubs wanna talk about unity, who is more unifying than Nicest Man in the Universe Tom Hanks?

    I will fight anyone who says otherwise. (I’m tiny and old, this is a very mild threat.)

  163. 163.

    Kent

    @cain: I’m guessing that is why my rep Herrera Beutler voted in favor of impeachment.  This district which covers SW Washington and Vancouver is poised to get a lot more blue after redistricting.  It is Trump +3 now. But with tremendous population growth in the bluer parts near Vancouver which is a Portland suburb. So the district will likely shrink in size, losing a lot of the bright red rural areas and making it more blue.

  165. 165.

    H.E.Wolf

    @Yutsano: NEWHOUSE VOTED YES!!!

    I phoned his D.C. office, told the staff person that I was a strong Democrat and was calling to thank Newhouse for his vote, and said “This is your [Democratic Party] auntie telling you all to stay safe and wear your masks.” Staffer chortled and said yes. Hands across the great divide, eh?

  166. 166.

    Elizabelle

    There is a slender lectern too.  No idea if it’s the one (criminally charged) “Ski Dad??” was making off with.

  169. 169.

    Geoduck

    @Kent:  Jaime Herrera Beutler was a bit of a surprise, at least to me. She was my Rep before the map got redrawn a few years back, and I’d have said she’s an arch-typical GOP backbencher. She reps mostly-rural SW Washington state, and is going to have a lot of angry constituents, I guess.

    EDIT: I see this has already been touched on.

  171. 171.

    Raven Onthill

    @Baud: “But in my experience, our side has a history of moving on to the next thing before the work is finished.”

    True, true. It is too easy to latch onto hope and forget the work that needs to be done.

  172. 172.

    unique uid

    Most horrifying, the chief of staff for Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts told The Boston Globe that the panic buttons in their office had been ripped out prior to the rioting.

    It hadn’t been clear to me on the timing of the panic button removal … I thought perhaps it was when they got back to the office, after the building was cleared. Or, it could have been before … this clears it up. I hope there is good video of who visited the office in the preceding days.

    Someone posted a link to twitter & the Globe article this morning, but I didn’t make it though the paywall.  Saw this on Crooks & Liars website.

    I’m still seething.  Is is possible to have a fair trial by next week, and [ CENSORED ] My better angels flew away the first year of this presidency….

  179. 179.

    Elizabelle

    We’re awaiting an Engrossment Ceremony.  Who knew that word this morning?

    C-Span title for event not yet begun:
    Speaker Pelosi Remarks at Impeachment Article Engrossment Ceremony

  180. 180.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Ken: We need something in August, though.

    How about August 9? Anniversary of Tricky Dick’s resignation. Call it BLOID (Bastards Leaving Office In Disgrace) Day.** Incorporates Trump Impeachments I & II (Observed) and Trump Disqualification from Federal Office and Removal Of Ex-Presidential Benefits (Observed, date TBD).

    ** FLOID Day if ya wann get salty… :^D

  181. 181.

    Mary G

    @Elizabelle: WaPo talking heads say yes, it’s the same lectern the insurrectionist was carrying across the room while waving cheerily, but it actually never left the building. The FBI found it abandoned somewhere on the Senate side undamaged and returned it to NancySMASH’s office once they were done processing evidence.

  182. 182.

    Kent

    @Geoduck: she is a homeschool product from Battle Ground and that is her base.  The red suburban fringe around Vancouver. Not so much the blue collar places like Longview or Grays Harbor.

    Metro Clark County has grown by about 100,000 since the 2010 census and the red MAGA rural areas like Skamania County Pacifiic County, and Cowlitz county not at all.   So after 2020 redistricting I expect the district to shrink greatly in geographic size and be more of just a Clark County district.   That will make it considerably more blue.  She will be vulnerable.

  185. 185.

    persistentillusion

    @Elizabelle: Trump only won that district by 2 or so points, so it’s not a safe seat for her.  As I pointed out in rather more graphic language in a tweet to her earlier.

  186. 186.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Alison Rose:

    What are we going to do tomorrow night, Brain?

    The same thing we do every night, Pinky. IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKER.

    I so badly want to hear Rob Paulsen and Maurice LaMarche have that exchange!

  188. 188.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I think Ken Buck was part of the group who called on Congress to drop the bullshit about “election fraud”. And I’m pretty sure he cited Robert DeNiro being mean to trump as a reason to vote against impeachment. I know, because I googled it, that Ken Buck wore a T-shirt that said “Kill them all and let god sort ’em out” to a CO Republican Party rally just a couple months ago. Anyway….

    Scott Wong @scottwongDC· 22m
    KEN BUCK attacks entire leadership team: “I think that when Kevin and Steve supported an unconstitutional challenge to the election, and when [Liz Cheney] is supporting a constitutionally flawed impeachment, we have leadership issues.” per Hill pool @KerryPicket

  189. 189.

    JMG

    Were I Pelosi, I’d wait to send the impeachment over to the Senate until after 1/20, when the two Ga. Senators are sworn in and Schumer becomes Majority Leader. But whatever happens in a Trump trial, there are going to be many many trials of the rioters in DC, all well covered by both national and the perps’ local media.

  190. 190.

    kindness

    Only 10 Republicans voted for it.  Can we rename that party to something that is more correct?

  193. 193.

    lamh36

    Nancy Pelosi will be speaking soon from the lecturn MAGA-rioters stole when they stormed the Capitol! Nancy P is a straight up boss!

  196. 196.

    Elizabelle

    @Mary G:   Good to know.  That lectern gets around.

    These journalists have now been held hostage for one hour, awaiting this event.

  202. 202.

    Sebastian

    @different-church-lady:

    So basically the countries with shitstain leaders (USA, UK, Brazil) who allowed massive uncontrolled spread are the ones where to no ones surprise new mutations appeared which are now more dangerous.

    Trump, Johnson, and Bolsonaro need to end up at The Hague.

  204. 204.

    Kent

    @JMG: I personally think dropping this into the Senate after January 20 is a huge strategic error for the Dems.  Once he is out of office, Impeachment becomes a purely political act.  And they would be choosing a forum and an outcome that they cannot control.  I would not trust the GOP to produce 17 votes.  And if he is acquitted again that will take the winds out of any additional investigations and criminal trials.

    They should table the Senate trial and move forward with endless investigations in in both the Senate and House about 1/6 as well as ordinary criminal trials of Trump.  Convicting him of sedition in an ordinary federal court will also ban him from future office as effectively as impeachment.  Pick the forums that you control, not the ones where the GOP holds all the cards and will control the outcome.

    If he is acquitted in the Senate then every future investigation or trial will be painted as sour grapes by the media.  I’d rather see him called up to testify at a Senate Committee hearing and cited for contempt if he doesn’t show.  And then be a defendant in the US District Court of the District of Columbia in front of a jury of DC residents.  Face REAL justice, in other words.

  205. 205.

    Mary G

    @Elizabelle: The reporters’ babble is occasionally entertaining. I just learned that one reason Liz Cheney really hates Twitler is that one of the few times he invited her to the WH (signing a Covid bill) he kept calling her Lynn, which is her mother’s name.

  206. 206.

    Hoodie

    @Baud:  I would wonder if this vote kills the delusions in the Never Trumper/Lincoln Project types that they will be able to regain control of the GOP, which could help consolidate Dem gains in the suburbs, in combination with the demographic changes already going on there. I’m not a POC, but I’d think that riots would also cement the impression that all Republicans are crazy.

  208. 208.

    Elizabelle

    Nancy departing.

    She did get in “clear and present danger” and being faithful to her/their oath of office.

    Take that, cowardly GOP.

  212. 212.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Hoodie: Riots are what rightwingers were doing in Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle and other cities. This was full on insurrection. And I imagine a majority of Republicans are cool with that.

  214. 214.

    Kent

    @zhena gogolia: She is really good at appealing to and speaking to suburban Starbucks moms.  She likes to sign on to milquetoast Dem initiatives like expanding paid parent leave, and then flood the district with Ads and positive news coverage about how Jamie is fighting for you to expand family leave.  Usually it is DOA bills that are going nowhere.   But being a “cosponsor” gets her good press. People are too disengaged to really understand so the strategy works.  She never presents in the district as any sort of MAGA-spawn.   You wouldn’t even know she is a Republican based on the press releases and local press coverage that she gets.  That is deliberate.

  219. 219.

    Elizabelle

    Now the NY Times goes with a banner headline too.

    TRUMP IMPEACHED AGAIN

    Charge is ‘Incitement of Insurrection’; 10 Republicans Break with President

  220. 220.

    germy

    Wearing a “censored” mask while speaking on the house floor which is being broadcast live by multiple broadcast and cable news outlets and on the web is something something else.

    — Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) January 13, 2021

  222. 222.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @debbie: Yeah, I didn’t turn it on (working from home) because I had some tough deliverables that needed to get done but I did follow Evan Hurst’s live-blog and that was my exact thought on about 80% of it: false equivalency.

  224. 224.

    Elizabelle

    Other tweets:

    George Conway: So in a little over two years, Donald Trump lost the House, the Senate, the presidency, and got impeached twice.

    Rep. Jason Crow: Some of my Republican colleagues are afraid of the consequences of an impeachment vote. This congress sends our young men & women to war. Not asking my colleagues to storm the beaches of Normandy, only to show a fraction of the courage we ask of our troops. It’s time to lead.

  230. 230.

    Elizabelle

    Tweet from Jake Tapper:

    232 a rather unlucky number for Trump. Number of votes to impeach him in the most bipartisan impeachment vote in US history Number of electoral votes in his loss to Joe Biden

  231. 231.

    NotMax

    Interesting tidbit aired from someone just now (paraphrasing):

    “I’m hearing of Senate staffers telling their bosses they will resign en masse if he/she does not vote for conviction.”

  234. 234.

    Elizabelle

    Michael Beschloss tweet, with photo of Abraham Lincoln.

    I prefer Presidents who oppose insurrections:

  235. 235.

    Ken

    @Mary G: Ah, that explains it.  Over 18 months, someone broke into my church and stole some AV equipment. He was caught, but we’re still waiting to get the equipment back; it’s being held as evidence.  Maybe the lectern wasn’t officially stolen since it didn’t leave the building.

  238. 238.

    Warblewarble

    Rethugs will impeach President Biden for having got more votes than tRUMP, and for being the choice of the American people.

  239. 239.

    Ruckus

    @Mike in NC:

    You think vlad wants him?

    What value is he to vlad? Because he’s not getting into Russia without vlad’s approval, and he’s got nothing that vlad wants, vlad already has gotten all the value out of being shitforbrains friend that he’s going to.

  241. 241.

    Anya

    Whenever Trump or one of his low quality hires talked about his presidency or election being historic, my reaction was always, huh? I mean, other than election of first reality tv personality, what made it historic? Finally, Trump made history and I can say his presidency is historic.

  244. 244.

    bucachon

    Senate hearings should last as long as the house version. One day. The evidence is already apparent. Long trial will convince no one.
    there’s also plenty of work to be done

  245. 245.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Elizabelle: Reminds me of how, in 2000, the final margin of votes in Florida (when the recount was cut off) was one less than the size of the Electoral College.

  247. 247.

    NotMax

    Is McConnell perhaps seeking to speed the process through a very narrow window of mathematical anomaly? Bear with me here on this.

    1) New senators from Georgia not yet seated
    2) Harris’ replacement also not yet sworn in
    3) Leaves the Senate at 98
    4) Two-thirds of that would mean 66 votes needed, assuming all members are present
    5) 47 non-Rs total, so if all of those vote to convict that means 19 Rs would need to vote for conviction, not the 17 most reports toss around
    .

  249. 249.

    germy

    Headline from the Queens Daily Eagle:

    Queens man impeached — again

    A Queens-born real estate developer made history Wednesday when he became the first U.S. president ever impeached twice by the House of Representatives.

    Donald Trump, a 74-year-old lame duck Republican, is accused of inciting a lethal mob of far-right supporters to storm the U.S. Capitol in order to prevent Congress from certifying the results of his resounding loss in the November 2020 election. President-elect Joe Biden, a Democrat, recorded 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232.

    With Trump’s encouragement, Confederate-flag bearing white supremacists and fascist agitators besieged the Capitol, threatening to kill Vice President Mike Pence, breaking into lawmakers’ offices, stealing public property and smearing feces on the wall.

  250. 250.

    Mary G

    @Tony Gerace: I agree. I got so angry with Trumpers cry that Joe Biden wants healing and unity and the Democrats aren’t abiding by his promise waah waah waah. I came up with an analogy – the nation is deeply wounded. When you have a deep wound, doctors don’t say it’ll heal on its own and walk away.

    First they clean out the dirt – Trump.

    Then they apply antibiotics to make sure all the bad shit that could reinfect the wound is gone – voting out Jim Jordan and every other Trump enabler in Congress who pushed “Stop the Steal” plus “grassroots” organizers like Charlie Kirk and Ginni Thomas who got people riled up and sent them to the Capitol in busses that they paid for.

    Only then you put a nice white bandage on, but the wound still isn’t healed. You have to wait and keep checking on it and it takes time.

    And even once it’s healed, if it’s bad enough, there is a scar.

    So they can fuck off with the healing talk.

  251. 251.

    Aziz, light!

    @Kent: McConnell is playing us again.

    DEMOCRATS (handing off to Senate after months of investigation): “Here are mountains  of hard evidence against Trump.”

    REPUB pols and half the country: “Don’t confuse us with the facts.”

    MEDIA after no conviction: “Trump is vindicated and we owe him an apology.”

    PUNDITS: “Why are the Dems being so divisive?”

  252. 252.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Ana Cabrera @AnaCabrera · 2h
    Senior Trump adviser tells @Acosta Trump is “clueless what any of this means internationally or historically,” but Trump has told aides and advisers he does fear what the violence at the Capitol has done to his businesses and “the long-term brand.”

  254. 254.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @NotMax: McConnell is punting because he doesn’t want to be the Republican majority leader who presided over two impeachment trials of the Republican president.

  258. 258.

    germy

    NEW: Senior editors at The New York Post have told staff not to use any reporting from CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post or The New York Times in their stories, listing just those four outlets but not offering an explicit explanation https://t.co/GnByYmXYuB

    — Katie Robertson (@katie_robertson) January 13, 2021

  259. 259.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Mary G: We did this in 2006 when Democrats took the House and Senate during Bush’s presidency. It was all look forward, don’t look back.

  260. 260.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @VeniceRiley: Sad their weren’t more abstains on the R side.  that shows how in deep they are.

    An abstention functions as half a vote for impeachment. It just shows that enough of them are afraid enough seditionists recognize this to put them and theirs at risk of bodily harm.

    Similarly, in an impeachment trial, each Senator who fails to show up for the vote represents** 1/3 vote for conviction (decreases by 1/3 the number of votes needed to reach 2/3) while each one who shows up and abstains (or votes “present”) represents** 2/3 vote for acquittal (increases by 2/3 the number of votes needed to reach 2/3).

    ** In theory, for an infinite number of Senators. The nature of whole numbers and the limited number of whole Senators screws with the actual fraction. /math nerd

  261. 261.

    Miss Bianca

    @eponymous:

    Qbert, for the win! LOL!

    Yeah, I’m starting to get a whiff of “cut-rate Manchurian Candidate” about her…I’m strongly considering writing to Bennet and Hickenlooper and saying, “for God’s sake, this woman needs to be investigated STAT”.

  262. 262.

    germy

    I’m really curious what this investigation ends up revealing:

    After airing her suspicions yesterday, Rep. Sherrill writes to request an investigation of House Republicans’ complicity in the January 6th attacks. Katherine Clark and Frank Pallone sign on as well. pic.twitter.com/YvPJfvwtRw

    — southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 13, 2021

  263. 263.

    debbie

    @Elizabelle:

    Boy, the times have really gotten to Beschloss. He used to be a dispassionate observer of yesterday vs. today. Now, he’s approaching Steve Schmidt-level vitriol!

  268. 268.

    Kattails

    @MJS: Can’t remember who said it but his two sons served tours in Iraq/Afghanistan. If Members of Congress can vote to send people to war, but are afraid for their own skins because of a vote, then yes, they absolutely need to step down.

  269. 269.

    Danielx

    @Tony Gerace:

    Sorry for your loss never covers it….but sorry for your loss.

    And yeah, not ready to make nice. Unity with people who shit on everything I believe in? Until such time as their leaders tell them they were lied to, they were had, they were led into criminal actions for political gain – and they admit it – nothing doing.

    “The complete absence of evidence is but further proof of how deeply this plot runs!”

    Fuck them.

  270. 270.

    eponymous

    @Miss Bianca:

    I will if you will! Actually, I will anyway. Do you have a feel for how hard it would be to vote her out next election? Is there a possibility of a more exciting candidate than DMB? I hate saying that, because competence is all we need, but…

  272. 272.

    Ken

    @Just Some Fuckhead: McConnell is punting because he doesn’t want to be the Republican majority leader who presided over two impeachment trials of the Republican president.

    Probably too much to hope that John Roberts feels the same.

  277. 277.

    Brachiator

    @germy: 

    NEW: Senior editors at The New York Post have told staff not to use any reporting from CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post or The New York Times in their stories, listing just those four outlets but not offering an explicit explanation

    hmmm. What about Fox News?

  278. 278.

    Miss Bianca

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Well, it’s good to see that Ken Buck has failed me again – I was afraid with his stance on the election that I was in danger of having to think better of him. To think, I used to imagine that Ken Buck was as bad as a Colorado Republican could get. That was before we got stuck with Qbert.

  280. 280.

    eponymous

    I am reading (on LGF) that Jenny “we are in the capitol and have done nothing wrong, just broke into Nancy Pelosi’s office” Cudd. I would link but am askairt to do it rong.

  281. 281.

    NotMax

    Wherever it may be in reality, it looks as if Steve Schmidt is on camera at a Castilian monastery.

    :)

  282. 282.

    Jay

    The stationing of National Guard troops in the Capitol building is a reminder of the arrival of the first Union soldiers to defend the city in 1861. One of them was Robert Gould Shaw, who arrived in late April 1861."That evening we marched up to the Capitol, and were… pic.twitter.com/VAEdvAY4UV— Kevin M. Levin (@KevinLevin) January 13, 2021

  284. 284.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Ken: Roberts presided over a sham trial in the Senate last time around with nary a squeak. I think we know where his loyalties lie: Republicans first, Constitution second.

  285. 285.

    different-church-lady

    Josh Hawley, Sociopath:

    “Some wondered why I stuck with my objection following the violence at the Capitol. The reason is simple: I will not bow to a lawless mob.”

    YOU TOOK THE SAME SIDE AS THE LAWLESS MOB!!!

  287. 287.

    Kent

    @Raven Onthill:

    @Baud: “I’m putting the kibosh on counting chickens before they hatch. The GOP has a long way to go before they are destroyed, and they won’t be if we start going all People’s Front of Judea too soon.”

    I did say, “Perhaps, just perhaps.” You even quoted it. And the preceding graph was dire.

    Sometimes I wonder if there is some evil imp who steals what I write before anyone reads it and replaces it with something else.

    Exactly x1000.  The Orcs are ALWAYS at the door and always have been.  The entire country is gerrymandered in their favor from the Senate to the Electoral College to SCOTUS to Citizens United to the filibuster (which only blocks Dem priorities and not GOP priorities).

    We will always be just one election away from losing it all again.

  288. 288.

    Shakti

    @Ken:

    The Republicans’ behavior through this election season and through the certification vote makes it clear they will vote to impeach  the minute they regain the House and convict the minute they regain the Senate.

    Like, how does Biden seriously act like he’s going to get anything bipartisan done? It’s right out there, there’s no pretense they’ll ever cooperate with anything.

    The only question is whether McConnell thinks it serves him to get whip a Senate vote to convict Trump so he can hobble Biden right afterwards or whether Trump is still useful to him.

  291. 291.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Kent: I disagree. It can be framed very simply: We are withdrawing all the perks the USA grants to former Presidents from one who raised an insurrection against the USA itself in order to overturn a free and fair election that he lost.

  293. 293.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Shakti: I’ve been asking how Biden thinks he’s going to be the great bipartisan hope (something he’s been claiming now for almost two years) after he spent eight years getting bipartisan squat as Obama’s legislative whip.

  294. 294.

    Jay

    @germy:

    they spent a day, running and hiding from a violent mob and militia’s that most of their bosses deliberately whipped into a frenzy, with the Big Lie.

    Staffers are a tiny bit pissed off at their “Bosses”.

  295. 295.

    Mary G

    @Leto: I don’t think those are all that incriminating. Looks more like a gang of losers wandering around trying to decide what to do next. The girl on the bullhorn is the exception – she’s been scouting things out and directs them where to go to take out a specific  window. Her I’d vote to convict.

  296. 296.

    Miss Bianca

    @eponymous:

    I hear you. I voted for James Iacino in the Dem primary, not because I thought he was more experienced but strictly because I thought DMB was an extremely uncharismatic candidate and, frankly, I figured a young white MOR businessman type would have a better chance beating Gun Bunny than someone who looked and talked like your granolahead Grandma.

    The good news is that I think CD3 is going to be FIRED UP to get rid of her – there’s already a progressive PAC out there that I’m thinking of joining…

  297. 297.

    Kent

    @Jay: The civil war is always just under the surface in Washington DC.  The upcoming treason trials will be held at the US District Court for the District of Columbia which faces Judiciary Square and is 2 blocks from the White House.  Everyone visiting the court house to face trial for sedition will pass under the large monument to Gen. George Meade, who famously commanded the Army of the Potomac and whipped the last batch of white-supremacist seditionists this country faced in a little obscure town called Gettysburg.

    There was a time when we knew how to open up a world of hurt on white supremacist secessionists in this country.  Washington DC is full of monuments to those men.

  301. 301.

    debbie

    @Leto:

    I’m not so sure. I’m picturing more of a dog finally catching a passing car and not knowing what to do with it.

  303. 303.

    trollhattan

    @Leto:

    Would you get a load of those white folks looting? No wonder everybody* thinks this is antifa!

    *Everybody=nobody. Was that a Neil Young album?

  308. 308.

    JMG

    @Kent: Thing is, when Schumer’s Majority Leader, he can control the trial. He can, in fact, since Trump won’t be President anymore, refer it to a committee for preliminary investigation, which is done when judges get impeached. The committee can call witnesses, take testimony, etc. and best of all operate on its own time as the rest of the Senate deals with Biden’s agenda and nominees.

    Impeachment is ALWAYS a political act, whenever it’s done. Might as well be smart politics.

  311. 311.

    Kattails

    Garry Kasparov pointed out that “After the USSR fell in 1991, Russia chose to bury the crimes of the security services in the name of national harmony. The KJB changed its name, but not its nature. Just 9 year later, a KJB man became president and it was our last meaningful election”.

    A reply mentioned that Hugo Chavez received a pardon after a failed military coup; thus he could run for President in 1998. “Now, we have no democracy, rule of law and a destroyed economy.”

    On one of Nicolle Wallace’s snippets, it was said that Republican staffers wore sneakers to work, one found her will the night before and gave it to her husband, the  report was talking about how they knew what was coming.

    PS how do you do block quotes?

  312. 312.

    Jay

    @Shakti:

    the Beltway Toadies want “ bipartizanship” from any Democratic Party Government.

    it’s complete and utter bad faith bullshit with continually moving goal posts.

    they will however, use every platform, podium and dollar they have to crucify any Democratic Party member who does not sign on .

    President Elect Joe Biden is grrrrreat at making speeches of steel, with a hint of healing and bipartisanship,

    to shut the mealy mouth bipartisan fuckers the fuck up while actually signalling with his choice of Vice President and Cabinet,

    Beltway illusions of bipartisanship can just fuck the fuck off.

  314. 314.

    Martin

    @Kattails: Hitler was imprisoned for an attempted coup in 1923. He was pardoned a year later. I don’t think we need to remind people what happened next.

  315. 315.

    Anya

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I know this is pretty cynical but I never thought Biden believed that. I just think he says that to satisfy the PBS and NPR voters. My grandmother is one of them, she hates Trump with every ounce of her being but she likes bipartisanship and all that Biden talk. My grandmother would never vote for someone like Trump or GWB but she would vote for Charles Baker or Larry Hogan.

  316. 316.

    LadySuzy

    I’m thinking about all those White House staffers who constantly leak, talk to reporters and tell us about the horrible behavior of Trump. They all saw last Wednesday that he was watching the chaos and was happy about it, that he didn’t do a single thing to stop it.

    I want ALL THOSE PEOPLE TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH.

    If they need to be included in a witness protection program with their families, so be it.

  318. 318.

    LadySuzy

    And of course, I want PENCE to testify. Under oath. To tell us HE WAS THE ONE WHO HAD TO ORDER THE ACTIVATION OF THE NATIONAL GUARD. This coward couldn’t invoke the 25th. At least he has to be held accountable, and tell the truth. Witness protection program for him too if necessary. Send him live in Europe after all of this, if necessary.

    Sorry for the screaming. I’m beyond myself.

  319. 319.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Anya: I’m sure it’s focus group tested seven ways to Sunday. But to me it sounds like, “Obama couldn’t do it but I can.”

  320. 320.

    Jay

    BTW, yesterdays word post has inspired me to use the word fuck in all it’s variations and applications a fuck of a lot more.

  323. 323.

    J R in WV

    @Tony Gerace:

    I’m sorry to learn this Tony. And I agree with you about the Republicans who worked so hard to make the Trump Plague worse and worse week by week. Not taking elementary precautions to limit the spread.

    Shameful, illegal, evil and immoral on the part of everyone who voted for this monster~!!~

  325. 325.

    J R in WV

    @MJS:

    If they couldn’t bring themselves to vote their conscience, they could have just handed their resignation to Nancy Pelosi and walked out of the chambers.

    Or just stayed home and not voted at all… easy peasy, right?

  326. 326.

    sab

    @NotMax: Do you think Steve Schmidt’s house has a moat with alligators? In Florida he wouldn’t even have to buy them. They would just move in on their own.

  327. 327.

    Ohio Mom

    Tony Degrace @93:

    Heartbreaking to be denied being with your family member to ease their last moments, even if we know why that was unavoidable.

    And impossible not to be absolutely enraged with you at all who have enabled Trump.

    You have my deepest sympathies. Be kind to yourself as you adjust to this new world without your loved one, and if it helps, keep us posted on how you are doing.

  329. 329.

    Bill Arnold

    @different-church-lady:

    YOU TOOK THE SAME SIDE AS THE LAWLESS MOB!!!

    Also, Hawley gave the mob time to invade the capital. This was, we will presume, quite deliberate and premeditated on his part. Since he’s a traitor, he needs to prove otherwise. Remember, Rudy Giuliani and Trump were calling Senators to ask for more objections to buy more time. For something.
    (Hey, it’s a narrative, and might even be True!)

  334. 334.

    Yutsano

    @mrmoshpotato: Seriously: go on Twitter and ask them! It might take a bit but you might just get them to do it*. I know they’re both very responsive to their fans.

    *This is not a guarantee as their copyrighted characters are in production right now. But if both are on Cameo for reasonable rates…

  335. 335.

    Kent

    @JMG:

    @Kent: Thing is, when Schumer’s Majority Leader, he can control the trial. He can, in fact, since Trump won’t be President anymore, refer it to a committee for preliminary investigation, which is done when judges get impeached. The committee can call witnesses, take testimony, etc. and best of all operate on its own time as the rest of the Senate deals with Biden’s agenda and nominees.

    Impeachment is ALWAYS a political act, whenever it’s done. Might as well be smart politics.

    He can control the trial, but not the outcome.  Which is the only thing that matters

    I just think it is a political mistake to undertake a process that you are almost CERTAINLY going to lose.  Especially when there are alternatives that you do control that will reach the same outcome.

  339. 339.

    J R in WV

    @Kent:

    …Convicting him of sedition in an ordinary federal court will also ban him from future office as effectively as impeachment. Pick the forums that you control…

    No one controls the jury in a criminal court trial. Not even the Jury foreman. Don’t ask how I know…   It only takes a single nut job to throw the verdict into chaos.

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