In the past few days, explanations about why 2/3 of the Republican Caucus voted against certifying the election have included fear of violent reprisals. One eyewitness account from Michigan Rep. Peter Meijer:
[…] Hours later, after the Capitol was cleared of insurrectionists, with windows shattered and the smell of tear gas lingering, the consequences of his dangerous lies became clear. As we moved to accept Arizona’s electors, a fellow freshman lingered near a voting terminal, voting card in hand.My colleague told me that efforts to overturn the election were wrong, and that voting to certify was a constitutional duty. But my colleague feared for family members, and the danger the vote would put them in. Profoundly shaken, my colleague voted to overturn.
An angry mob succeeded in threatening at least one member of Congress from performing what that member understood was a constitutional responsibility.
Meijer, a Republican, voted to certify the election, by the way.
You know who’s faced death threats since day one of their tenure in Congress? Let’s start with Ilhan Omar. She would have been first to the gallows erected behind the Capitol, if they hadn’t shot her first. If you follow AOC on Twitter, you see that she’s often obliquely referring to ways that she sneaks around to avoid crowds, and if the mob had found her, she’d have been killed or worse. Of course, the list includes Nancy Pelosi, though she has really good security and can travel on government aircraft, and it goes on and on. Plus, the hate aimed against these women didn’t start last Wednesday.
Another angry mob of Republicans, who happen to be Members of Congress for now, refused to wear masks while they were sheltering with Democrats. Now, Democratic Reps Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-NJ) and Pramila Jaypal (D-WA) have tested positive for COVID. Coleman is a 75 year-old cancer survivor. Just serving in Congress with these traitors is a fucking health risk.
The obvious difference between Omar, AOC, Pelosi, Coleman and Jaypal and the members who voted against certification is that the Democrats didn’t betray their country out of cowardice. It’s no excuse (though Meijer clearly isn’t trying to excuse, just explain), and they deserve very little sympathy.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
the CH officer who drew the mob away from an unguarded Senate door has asked media to stop using his name, because he’s concerned about his and his family’s safety.
TaMara (HFG)
Sheldon Adelson has died. I was unaware he was sick.
As to the post – Republicans prove over and over they are cowards and morally bankrupt. Reap. Sow.
Baud
Agreed. If these reps are being threatened to betray their country, they should resign. It’s not like the threats are going to stop for every future decision they’ll need to make.
Wag
Fixed it for you
BruceFromOhio
I’ll credit Reps Ocasio-Cortez and Omar with contending with death threats from people other than their constituents.
The “lingering fellow freshman” is probably getting death threats from his or her own constituents.
That’s how vertically fornicated the dumpster fire cult can act, and is acting.
As in, none. Can’t handle the heat, stay the fuck outta the kitchen and let the adults do the cooking.
@Wag: Yes, thank you.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Even our heroes have to hide out of fear.
Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)
Any congressperson who voted against accepting the electoral college results or impeaching drumpf last year out of fear for themselves or their family is also susceptible to foreign pressure. by definition they have failed their oath. If they voted against out of ambition, they were in open support of sedition.
BruceFromOhio
@TaMara (HFG): May your friends in heaven look around and wonder where you are, Shel.
TaMara (HFG)
If true, I agree.
Waldo
Congress currently consists of 2 chambers and 147 Chamberlains.
Lyrebird
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wow.
re: Rep. Meijer’s tale, on the one hand I think that AZ rep shoulda spoken out before, like maybe when conspiracy loving AZ people nearly assaulted a local photographer for wanting to cover the little league (or whatever) game.
On the other hand, I do not know what it’s like to be a few handshakes away from the people who plotted the attack on Whitmer.
Prayers for safety, especially for that brave CHP officer.
Ken
Whatever happened to “we don’t negotiate with terrorists”?
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
@Wag: I give anyone who has a family a little bit of sympathy to accompany their resignation. That’s it.
Punchy
That bitch (yeah, I said it) from GA with 3 names is going to be the source of all sorts of fuckrattery, screaming fits, wanton rule and norm-busting, etc. She’s basically an Agent of Chaos first, Trump-spewing acolyte second, and then a GOP Rep somewhere between functions #6 and #7. I will predict she will either directly threaten a colleague with their life or get arrested for gun possession before her term is out.
oldster
I want the names of those traitors-in-office who refused to wear masks when they were in the secure bunker.
I also want the names of any Republicans in that bunker who were positive or test positive for the next few weeks.
They are liable for assault and reckless endangerment.
Amir Khalid
From the story at the link, Peter Meijer:
I’m not convinced that Rep. Meijer’s gun would have helped the situation any. Would he even have been allowed to bring a firearm into the chamber of the House?
Doc Sardonic
@TaMara (HFG): That is a funeral I approve of.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax:
Weak. Sad. Poop.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Yep, the Conservatives sure are showing us Libertards who are the People of Character and who are the cucks. They can tell Omar and the Madonna of Seattle or just any civil rights advocate what kind of manly men they are.
No wonder McCain had the attitude he had towards other Republicans, heck,that puts The Mitbots death stare 2000 the night 6th at Senator Douchbage Treason into a new context. If Mitt Romney thinks you are fed, you are a feb.
I will take this as a sign the number of these Qanon freaks willing take on armed soldiers as limite.a
narya
If I were a member of congress who got Covid from those dipshits, I would carry that grudge forfuckingever. I would shun everyone in the room who refused to wear a mask, and I would mention it at EVERY opportunity.
Ken
@TaMara (HFG): As others said, Lee and his whole army never got the Confederate flag into Washington, but Trump managed it. So having German troops in Washington isn’t that big a step. Of course we’ve had Nazis there for some time.
(Britain has already occupied and burned Washington, and Canada was part of Britain at the time. Offhand I don’t recall any historical incident with French troops.)
NotMax
Linky fix.
1) Raise your hand if you’re in the least surprised.
2) I believe the correction reaction is “Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha.”
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@TaMara (HFG): Actually, that is touching and awsome.
gvg
I think their needs to be more of an emphasis generally with following up and charging those who make those kinds of threats. I think it’s been allowed to get out of control. The reports from Meijer should be treated as a report of threats and those who made the threats should be arrested and serve jail sentences. For years law enforcement has acted helpless done nothing. Not just from protecting politicians, but ordinary people. They don’t find these people and arrest them and now the public acts like it is normal and acceptable even while they say they are less tolerant of domestic abuse (related to this issue). It is part of why online discussions turn into sewers. Anyway, this story also means the minority is manipulating our laws unfairly.
This is also part of Jim Crow era as described by my father. Whites were afraid to be too nice to black people or just fair because they could be murdered or lose business. It was completely toxic. So is allowing it to be normal for politicians to be threatened with anything other than losing an election.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
Could someone check me on this? Is “Ashli Babbitt” the way we spell “Horst Wessell” these days?
JanieM
@TaMara (HFG): So NATO is doing its part after all. ;-)
henrythefifth
If you haven’t seen the video of Trump MAGATs confronting Rep. Lou Correa in the airport, I suggest you do. Lou stood up to them, but they were up in his face. Including some douche using a Bain voice. This is the new America. They are all sociopaths (with a few psychopaths like Hawley/Cruz in there).
mrmoshpotato
Haha!
germy
@oldster:
(via LGM)
NotMax
@NotMax
correction = correct
5 a.m. fuzziness. Sorry ’bout that.
TaMara (HFG)
@oldster: Here’s the thing – many of them are on camera, during the lockdown, not only refusing masks, but laughing at the Rep who trying to pass them out.
That video should be on loop, with shadow circles around each person refusing with their name emblazoned over it.
kindness
Sympathy….yea, uh no. I think Republicans and the Republican Party deserve the full effect of the 14th Amendment right now with each of those who cast ballots to not recognize certified Electoral votes for Joe Biden with a quick exit from Congressional office. Republicans would be in an uproar. I can just imagine what they would say on Fox News, the WSJ or the GD NYT. It would be the same as any day ending in a ‘day’. Screw those bastards. They walked to the political gallows of their own free will.
germy
In upstate NY, a town official (a member of the zoning board of appeals) has resigned after residents recognized her being escorted from the U.S. Capitol.
https://dailygazette.com/2021/01/11/malta-town-official-resigns-after-storming-capitol-steps/
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Christ he looks to be well into his fifties (and well on his way to a heart attack) and he’s cosplaying a comic book villain.
half of them are screaming about being the voice of the people against the elites, while one of them chants “Republic not a democracy”
taumaturgo
I proposed that Republicans that betrayed their oath of office and the country, the Republican title after their name should read RT. R for Republican, T for traitor.
dmsilev
@NotMax: “The rule could also be scrapped by Congress through an oversight tool called the Congressional Review Act, especially since Democrats will now control both the House and the Senate.”
The CRA was Newt Gingrich’s brainchild, and the GOP has used it frequently since then to eliminate regs that they don’t like. Karma.
Gin & Tonic
@NotMax:
I thought they believed in free enterprise? What am I missing?
dmsilev
@Gin & Tonic: Just like some animals are more equal than others, some enterprises are freer than others.
Suzanne
@Gin & Tonic:
They don’t believe in anything other than their own immediate interests. Much like wild animals.
dmsilev
@germy: If I were in the House leadership (hah!), I’d bring formal ethics charges against every single one of those mask refuseniks. Also, the Reps who tested positive should consider filing personal injury lawsuits.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: C’mon, TSA. This was your chance to be heroes.
Good on our guy for not backing down.
Bluegirlfromwyo
@Punchy: Not if the QAnon Pistol Packing Mama from CO beats her to it.
Barbara
Regarding Mejier’s claim, it is either untrue, post hoc justification for a position that suddenly became indefensible on any rational political basis, or an admission that they are unfit to serve in Congress. It’s not a nice subject but all highly visible members of Congress are subject to death threats. My forensic psychiatry class was taught be a psychiatrist at the federal intake assessment center at the prison in Butner, NC, and she arranged for a Secret Service agent to discuss the role of the “presidential threats” division, in which he served. He said that — remember, this was pre-internet — the SS investigated more than 80,000 threats made against the president annually. If a member receives a threat, the correct course is to refer it to the SS for investigation and, likely, arrest or detention if it is determined to be credible. The correct response is not to capitulate and vote for something you don’t believe in and then beg forgiveness afterwards. I mean, seriously: Fuck. You.
Amir Khalid
Who defends himself, it is said, has a fool for a client. But the lectern thief has a fool for a lawyer.
The Thin Black Duke
The most patriotic act every American can do from now on is never vote for a Republican ever again.
Ruckus
I’d bet we all think that the past week has been a horrible week in US history. That one of the worst times was, here. And there is some real, obvious basis for that, an attack upon our government, upon our elected officials, and an obvious attack from partially inside that government, that our sworn leader fermented because he’s a sore sick looser who thinks higher of himself, by so much that he’s never come within a million miles of earning and a political party that values money and hate above all else. This president didn’t make this hate up out of clear, thin air, it’s been fermenting for what, over 200 yrs, with our history of slavery and pious exceptionalism. We have some pretty high ideals in this country, and we often do not live up to them in any way. The last 4 yrs has been a trial of our values, our lives, our direction as a nation. We haven’t failed but we have come extremely close and we are talking about how we came so close to losing. We have to never forget that this attempt at a different kind of country, a different kind of government, isn’t perfect, it’s still a reflection of humanity and it requires constant attention, effort, pride and the lessoning of it’s worst enemy, hate. Hate of difference. Hate of gender. Hate of people who don’t look like us. Hate of people who don’t have money, especially as a lot of that comes from the hate that so many carry because the hate is from the inequality that many ferment out of thin air, that of the very inequality that we are supposed to strive against. We are all products of our history, of our hate and of our lack of education that actually supports our ability to govern as equals. This is built into our system and has been since day one. It’s in our electoral system, our governing system, our educational system, our monetary system. We recognize it in many ways, but how many actually see that while our system is OK it has massive faults as well, and those faults generally hold the status quo as best, when it is a great concept, with some flaws. We could fix those if we’d recognize that most of the faults favor groups of people and that we can’t allow that and have the government that we do, rather than the one we say we do. We’ve grown up in so many ways, but our government structure says we haven’t, that we can not be trusted to actually govern, so we have for example the electoral college, to often keep us from actually having the government that might just work towards better equality. We have arrived at a place that says we don’t want to keep the old restrictions on actual government for the people, by the people.
The current republican party doesn’t want that, which is the basis of conservatism, not to allow change, not to allow growth, not to allow equality, not to allow us to govern in the way we say we are doing because that doesn’t favor control of the wealth.
We have to recognize the war we are fighting, the war of force over reason, over equality.
germy
Eric S.
@Ken: They didn’t negotiate. They cowered.
cain
Well, looks like GOP has lost another source of funding. He must have died very disappointed by what has happened.
Delk
“Congresswoman Greene is a healthy adult…” said no mental health expert ever.
sanjeevs
Once again, Fuck Comey.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: They need to get a handle on this shit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@cain: the Widder Adelson is every bit the nut her husband was, I’m sure she’ll keep the cash flowing. As to his health, I’m not a doctor like Bill Frist, but when I’ve seen Adelson on my TeeVee, he looked like a sick man
Roger Moore
@NotMax:
Brought to you by the same people who blame the Great Recession on the Community Reinvestment Act.
Aleta
Gin & Tonic
@cain: His money, unfortunately, did not die with him. I’m sure his wife can write checks as well.
Roger Moore
@Ken:
There were French troops in the area during the Revolutionary War, but they were our allies.
Barbara
@Gin & Tonic: Maybe, maybe not. Wealthy people often have very complicated estates. I am sure she has lots of money, but the question is whether she has the same unfettered access to all of it that he did. I guess we’ll see.
Delk
In addition to incredibly bad hair, Adelson had non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
Ken
@Eric S.: I meant the way in which they (allegedly) traded their votes for their family’s safety.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@raven: I’m a political junkie and I don’t think I’ve ever heard of Lou Correa. I wonder how these goons ID’d him.
as to airport security, there is some:
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The loudmouth woman sounds hispanic.
Betty Cracker
@Amir Khalid: I saw a clip of the two lectern thief attorneys on Chris Cuomo’s show, and they seemed pretty slick, so the analysis you linked gives me hope that maybe the sumbitch will do some time. Josh Marshall pointed out that the seditionists scooped up so far seem to be under-charged, i.e., charged with disorderly conduct and trespassing, etc., rather than the more serious charges their actions seem to merit. I’m hoping this is just the function of a rush to charge as many seditionists as possible and that more serious charges will be forthcoming.
germy
She was asked to step aside, she declined, and so she was removed.
cain
I don’t think at any time I’ve seen that guy look healthy.
Well, we’ll see how much Adelson money flows. But I suspect they will be more careful since the Feds are watching. If I were the Mercers I would be super careful as well.
Ken
@sanjeevs: No, no, Comey’s got a point. Once Trump is in a prison cell, we should turn out the lights and turn off the TVs – well, unless he’s under suicide watch, then I guess there has to be some sort of surveillance.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Dude’s from East LA, those fat fucks don’t scare him.
Roger Moore
@cain:
Probably not. Miriam Adelson is just as right wing as her late husband.
Barbara
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It might be the time to remind people that the charging document for the doofus from Alabama, Lenny Coffman, whose truck was parked near the Capitol, included the little nugget that in addition to numerous weapons, ammunition and bomb making ingredients, “also in the vehicle” were edible THC products and injectable testosterone. In other words, there is a significant chance that any given raging MAGA is on steroids.
germy
Ted Cruz’s communications director announced she’s quitting.
evodevo
@Roger Moore: Exactly…I’m STILL having this argument with our right winger friends. HOWEVER..I nagged one of them into reading Barry Ritholz’s Bailout Nation..I said I wouldn’t speak to him again until he did. Haven’t heard a word out of him since he read it about the Great Crash. He’s still a wingnut, but the economics shut him up.
Wapiti
@Betty Cracker: I wonder if the undercharging is in part not to provoke Trump to pardons.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@raven: kind of amusing how Bain-voice backed off with his wheelie bag after Correa wouldn’t back down
zhena gogolia
@The Thin Black Duke:
The only Republican I have ever voted for is Lowell Weicker. And he’s not a Republican any more, he left a long time ago.
Lyrebird
@Gin & Tonic: I read that she already cut off at least one seditionist but I am not finding the link, so, many grains of salt.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Someone needs to slap the shit out of that woman.
Jeffro
The GOP is in full-on, “Stop angering Daddy or he’ll kill us all” mode…so Fuck. Them. Forever.
You know what to do, Dems. Drop impeachment on the orange psychopath now, get in front of a microphone and call for Pence to use the 25th Amendment, take action against the Republican members of Congress who are encouraging the insurrection, and then – sorry Joe – Biden needs to speak about this daily. “I will NOT have domestic terrorists threatening our lawmakers, our state capitols, or the rule of law in general. Punishment will be swift and – as you’ve seen – if you commit violence, you will be found and arrested. If you encourage insurrection, you WILL lose your seat in Congress, your law license, your book deal, and the right to show your face in civilized society ever again.”
Roger Moore
@Betty Cracker:
This is also what I would hope and expect. They’re going to charge as many of them as possible with the stuff they can easily prove just to get them in the system and go for the more serious crimes as they develop stronger evidence. I’m also hoping they’re going to use the threat of prosecution to get some of them to turn on the organizers and funders.
Amir Khalid
@Betty Cracker:
I’m watching that very clip right now. They’re slick all right, but Cuomo keeps pointing out that their defence of the lectern thief is bullshit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Betty Cracker:
I’m guessing they’re doing a lot of triage between the dangerous and the doofi, and doofi like this guy are probably good sources for tracking the organizers
eclare
@Roger Moore: Retired FBI guy on Morning Joe said exactly this. It will take time to prove more serious cases.
cain
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
GOP always think they are some manly men – but they are easily cowed. 90% bluster.
mali muso
Not sure if this was posted in all of the discussion about the hero officer (refraining from posting his name as I understand there are concerns for his safety). “One more detail about the chase up the Senate steps by a mob carrying a Confederate flag: it happened in front of portrait of Sen. Blanche Kelso Bruce, a Mississippi Republican who was the first Black senator to serve a full term, during Reconstruction”
raven
@mali muso: I respect that but it’s too late.
Haroldo
@Barbara:
In a sense that’s scarier than the other weapons. Does anyone, anyone, have a feeling for how widespread injectable steroid use amongst these seditionists is?
germy
Are they bringing ebola?
Betty Cracker
@Wapiti: & @Roger Moore: Excellent points. Thanks!
Eric S.
@Ken: I followed. It wasn’t meant as a critique of you as much as a heightening of the rhetoric on my part.
LurkerNoLonger
@germy: Holy fucking shit! If you want me to lose my mind, my blood pressure spike and start breaking shit keep posting stuff like that.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Bill Belicheck has turned down the Medal of Honor from Trump. So Trump is too much of a crook for Belicheck.
germy
germy
p.a.
Per FTNYFT Deutsche Bank to cut all ties to tRump, no more loans. 1) DB is an int’l bad actor, so grain of salt. 2) If true, it’s all Russkis and ChiComms from now on for donnie’s budget. And of course, the cult. He’ll have to milk that cow down to skeleton-walking. 3) Hopefully DB dumps Anthony Kennedy’s kid, although I’m not naive enough to expect any real troubles for him and his bank accounts.
WaterGirl
@Punchy: Who are you talking about?
brendancalling
They deserve NO sympathy. They brought this on themselves, and upon innocent bystanders, and upon people who warned them over and over.
i want them all locked up, at the very least.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Remember, it was she who suggested — in all seriousness — that the Bible really needed a Book of Trump.
sanjeevs
Rep Brad Schneider tests positive for COVID.
WaterGirl
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Okay, while we’re insulting people by calling them the Madonna of Seattle or the bitch with 3 names from Georgia, can we at least include the actual name of the person – for those of us who have no idea who you are talking about?
Punchy
@Gin & Tonic: They can force the loans, but cant force the interest rate, can they? If they’re required to loan Smith and Wesson at 62.3% interest, who am I to complain?
satby
@germy: They’ve decided to try to switch to the golden oldies I see.
Geminid
@Barbara: Steroids and meth.
Baud
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
They didn’t want to change the name of the team to the New England Seditionists.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
What does “Bain-voice” mean?
WaterGirl
@Bluegirlfromwyo:
Now that one, I know.
Ken
Yeah, then they stormed the Capitol, tore down the US flag, put up a gallows, broke and stole a lot of stuff, pissed on the walls, and killed a cop.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
what is it with these people and the Viking/caveman cosplay?
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Amir Khalid: I sat on a jury for a murder trial once. The defense opened with “Did my guy kill X? Yes. Did he do this other thing? Yes.”
We were surprised. As you can imagine, it shortened the trial somewhat.
He did have something of a strategy. He asked us to focus specifically on the definition of first-degree murder, and argued that the crime didn’t fit it. And that was in fact a big bone of contention in the jury room, that held us up for many hours.
Sure Lurkalot
@germy: Oh noes! Then we must reinstate that lawn order guy.
Mary G
I just keep thinking of all the Democratic Representatives who were threatened by Tea Party loons and knew that it likely meant the end of their career in Congress and still voted for the Affordable Care Act because it was the right thing to do.
Betty Cracker
@germy: Just saw the CSPAN clip of Trump’s remarks, and it’s even worse because he starts off by whining about the social media bans and implying they had a domino effect (not the analogy that dummy used, but it’s what he meant). It’s terrible (though completely unsurprising) that he’s such a selfish shithead that he starts off remarks after a deadly attack on our Capitol whining about personal grievances. But at the same time, it makes me happy because he’s stewing about the PGA and fallout from other organizations that are announcing they won’t do business with his toxic ass.
Gin & Tonic
@SiubhanDuinne: I thought I was the only one who didn’t know that, as I am hopelessly out of touch on a lot of pop-culture stuff.
JanieM
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I had the same experience only it was an argument about whether to convict the guy of assault or aggravated assault. No one ever denied that he did what he did.
Gin & Tonic
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Sure hope his grandfather isn’t alive to see him in a crowd of dudes wearing “6MWE” sweatshirts.
Mai Naem mobile
@TaMara (HFG): Donny sure made America Great Again didn’t he? We need outside help for a damned inauguration.
WaterGirl
@sanjeevs:
I had to google because I didn’t now if he was R or Dem. First thing I found:
Anyone who didn’t wear a mask in those rooms needs to be held accountable.
satby
Shit, I know we’re all (mostly) old, but we remember there’s Google, right? I Google stuff every day in different threads, though my attempt at “The Old Guard” turned out to be a crappy movie and not about the history of the Arlington guards 😆.
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
The Bitch with Three Names from Georgia (I’m using that as her title from now on, hence the pretentious capitalisation) is newly-oathsworn Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. QAnon all the way, and has noisily refused to mask up on the House floor (and probably her local Publix as well).
Enhanced Voting Techniques
So one big mass midlife crises on these buffoons parts because buying a Harley didn’t make the 20 years old again. Alex Jones is big on pushing steroids and such.
different-church-lady
Frankenstein monsters always seem like a good idea until they get out of the lab.
Jeffro
@Betty Cracker: white grievance is all they do, it’s all that they’re about, it’s their only ‘policy’, it’s the thing that never leaves their minds. They care about literally nothing else.
(I know you know that, but still… ;)
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: thanks.
Maybe you can add QAnon as a reminder…
The QAnon Bitch with Three Names from Georgia
Cameron
@cain: That’s why Trump is their leader – they identify with him. Lots of bluster; complete chickenshit.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
drama
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SiubhanDuinne: Bain is the villain in one of the Batman movies that I’ve actually never seen, and his voice is distorted and it seems like that’s what the one trumper going toe to toe with the congressman seems to be imitating
@Gin & Tonic: I had that same thought about the Adelsons, what they thought of their fellow trump traveller with the “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirt
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Thank you!
different-church-lady
@TaMara (HFG):
You couldn’t tell by who he gave his money to? Oh, wait, you meant physically sick…
Punchy
@WaterGirl: Marjorie Taylor Greene
Subsole
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The neonazis are big on neopaganism, neo-odinism, that kind of thing.
They basically reject Christianity as a feminizing Jewish influence, and embrace a heavily bastardized form of old Norse religion as an ‘authentic European’, hypermasculine replacement.
TL;DR: Harkonnenensque delusion. Brain worms within brainworms within brainworms…
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: “Bane” ;)
different-church-lady
@germy: It’s just amazing that it takes five deaths in the Capitol Building before institutions will draw a line.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
damn me if even at this advanced age and stage-4 level internet junkie-dom I don’t learn something that both kind of saddens me and creeps me out
I’m guessing quite a bit of neo-onanism too
Subsole
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Yep. Conservatism is basically just a giant, mirderous, wifebeater tantrum that I’m not 19 anymore and I’ll never be 19 again.
sab
@Subsole: That’s kind of weird. Medieval Nordic women had a lot of power, minding the homefront while the guys were out marauding. And the women in the various Icelandic sagas were quite murderous.
sab
@satby: One of the many things I hate about Covid lockdown is never seeing my step-kids, who tried very hard to keep me at least aware of popular culture.
Gin & Tonic
@sab: Not just minding the homefront.
Subsole
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Yeah. It really is just a shit-onion of incredible proportion. Layers of bad arguments erected on a scaffold of faulty logic. Like, I used to play D&D. These guys think that shit is how life actually works. That ‘races’ have inherent personality traits, that women actually are -4 Str because vagina… it just goes on and on. They have a supremely warped view of humanity, and it warps their understanding of human constructions like religion and government.
Also LOL, yeah, a lot of it actually is mental onanism. So far up their own butts they have periscopes coming out their ears.
Just Chuck
@SiubhanDuinne: A Bain voice would be Mitt Romney. Bane’s voice on the other hand is … croaky. And kind of ridiculous.
Geminid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I am also a political junkie, and the only reason I’ve heard of Lou Correa (D-CA) is that he belongs to a group of House Democrats I’ll call azure canines. But only a few Representatives make much national news, even if competent and hardworking.
Just Chuck
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Pedantry, but Vikings never wore horns. Not that the average MAGAT knows that.
Steeplejack (phone)
@TaMara (HFG):
Kathleen
@Barbara: I’m old enough to remember ACA Town Halls in 2009 where jeers, boos and threats by Rethugs were routine yet the Dems kept holding Town Halls in the face of it. Not one of them whined. And of course the media expressed no outrage at all because white people’s feelings were hurt because Black Guy and reasons. Which is why I want to tell anyone who glibly refers to Dems as “spineless” to GFT.
SFBayAreaGal
@Jeffro: Thank you. When I saw “Bain like voice” I thought Mitt Romney voice? Lol.
Baud
@Just Chuck:
Its why Viking opera never took off.
Gravenstone
No. It’s a written rule. Same thing that will thwart the gun bunny (and probably Q-nut) from carrying in chamber. They would have to leave them in their personal offices.
Ken
The ridiculous part is hiring Tom Hardy and then hiding his face and distorting his voice. And they don’t even have Michael Bay as an excuse.
(Bay being moderately infamous for hiring major stars to voice “Transformers”, then electronically distorting their voices to unrecognizability.)
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@sab: Yeah. Hell, medieval women had a hood deal of power, or at least agency; sometimes a lot more than they had in Victorian times.
They basically are trying to cobble together a “white” history from very disparate cultures and time periods. It’s a real ragpatch kind of thing, where they just say “did it happen in Europe? Then it’s white.” So yeah, discrepancies abound.
And that’s before they try to hammer historical fact to fit their narrative.
Like, they genuinely think you can breed white folks out of existence. They believe they will see a world where blonde haired blue eyed people don’t exist. (Never mind genetics don’t work that way).
Since that’s their prime lens, they need women to be submissive little baby factories. So you get this weird dichotomy where they infantilize women, while fetishizing Valkyries.
Take the worst parts of 19th century jingoism, arrogance and cruelty, marry them to the most benighted bronze age sub-ignorance, and et voila.
jp
@germy: What fun it would be on a lifeboat with this bunch.
germy
Isn’t Bane’s face hidden in the comic books?
Ken
@Kathleen: The Republicans haven’t been having town halls for years. I doubt they’ll be resuming them now that they’ve failed Trump.
Subsole
@Just Chuck: There is a video on youtube of someone dubbing in scat-singing over that stadium scene.
It is delightful.
Aleta
@Baud: so funny, so fast 🥁
Kathleen
@LurkerNoLonger: Then you won’t want to hear what Sherrod Brown said about what Lindsey Graham did. Sherrod was on MSNBC.
Ken
@germy: Yeah, but I meant more that they could have hired anyone, knowing that they were going to hide everything that makes the actor distinctive.
Kathleen
@Mary G: Thanks Mary G. I posted a rantier version of your measured comment towards the end of this thread.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Amir Khalid:
Ken
What else did he do? I mean other than calling Jarvanka and trying to get Trump to call off the attack? For which, I’d love to see him being cross-examined some time: “And, Senator Graham, what reason did you have to think that the President was in control of the insurrectionists?”
SFAW
@Bluegirlfromwyo:
I hope the FBI arrests Boebert for conspiracy/sedition. Her live-tweeting of Speaker Pelosi’s location, especially being in a group specifically told NOT to do that, should get prosecuted with extreme prejudice. They should start by asking “Which insurrectionist group were you hoping to get to take away the Speaker? Because YOU KNOW they hate her and want to harm her.”
WaterGirl
@Kathleen: Is there a link?
Kathleen
@Subsole: Perfect.
MisterForkbeard
@Jeffro: Yes. This confused me for a long time. “Bain voice? Like… Mitt Romney?”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kathleen: this?
Kathleen
@Subsole: My description of 2016 election was Hillary Clinton didn’t ask America how its day went so it threw the dinner plate at her.
Kathleen
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yup.
MisterForkbeard
@SFAW:
Oh, is this true? I’ve been out there saying that what she tweeted was stupid but not actionable, given that it was similar to what was being told publicly (NP is in a secure, undisclosed location) and so on – though I haven’t checked the timing on that. Maybe she was early.
But if she was specifically told not to do this and did it anyway, it deserves censure at the least.
Kathleen
@WaterGirl: Sorry WG I’m highly tech challenged on my phone but I see Jim Foolish Literast provided one. Thank you JFL!
Kathleen
@Subsole: The irony is that so few of them would land on the cover of Perfect Aryan Magazine.
Wapiti
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The Nazis (the old German Nazis) appropriated a lot of Nordic and Viking symbolism for their Aryan myth. I think it might be partly this. The white supremacists also see the Scandinavian nations as more racially pure.
Kathleen
@Ken: There are videos of them actually running and hiding on rooftops when Rethugs were featured in the ongoing comedy series “Just Die Already “. And that was pre CoVid when my liberal friends thought I was being hyperbolic when I said Republicans want us all to die. Good times.
germy
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I wish we had cellphone footage of that.
It would be a great front page post.
Kathleen
@Ken: While Senators were hunkered down Graham berated a Capitol Police Officer for failing to protect them. That’s disgusting. I hope it wasn’t the Officer who diverted the terrorists away from the open Senate office door.
Geeno
@Subsole:
More like neo-Onanism.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Steeplejack (phone)
Fiona Hill, “Was It a Coup?”
cain
@MisterForkbeard:
Me too.. I thought the whole ‘she tweeted the location’ was hyperbole since all she said was “she’s not here’. But yeah, it means that she maybe on-route to somewhere else.
There is no doubt in my mind that she probably wished harm to befall the speaker.
cain
@Just Chuck:
They did if you watched Bugs Bunny!
SFAW
@MisterForkbeard:
I don’t recall if I heard that on NPR, or if I read it online. My admittedly vague (yes, I know it was only a few days ago, but I’m an old fart, OK?) recollection is that another Congressman/woman was the source of the “we were told not to do that” info.
BruceFromOhio
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Mmmm, the Mile-High COVID Club!
trnc
I assume it’s snark, since no link to a news site was included. If it’s true, its high level trolling from our allies.
bluefish
Thanks for this. Right on. Some of these folk need to reconsider their career choices. The life is not for everyone. Sad tale but find another job, guy.
trnc
@germy: Isn’t there a mask requirement? If one of them was positive, is there any penalty that the adults in the House can administer or do we have to depend on a significant number of assholes for that?
Haroldo
The Capitol Police Board is solely responsible for the Capitol Police. The current board is
J. Brett Blanton – Architect of the Capitol (Installed by Trump in Dec, 2019. Confirmed by Senate, Dec 2019)
Jennifer Hemingway – Senate Sergeant At Arms (Installed Jan 7, 2021 – I think). Michael Stenger was the SSaA when the attack occurred. (Installed by Trump April, 2018)
Timothy Blodgett – House of Representatives Sergeant At Arms (Installed Jan, 2021 Paul Irving was the HRSA when the attack occurred (Installed by Obama, Jan, 2012)
Stenger and Blodgett are not talking publically. Blanton, curiously, is not much in the news. I hope the investigators of this horror are looking very closely at these folks, as they are the former head of the Capitol Police, Steven Sund
This WaPo article is enlightening.
trnc
@cain:
I can’t tell if this is snark. I’m sure his widow will be happy to keep doling out $ to the traitors.
Geminid
@SFAW: I don’t know if any official action will be taken against Lauren Boboert, but the CO 3 Congresswoman sure is getting “ratio’d” on her Twitter feed. For every favorable response, there are ten or so along the lines of “RESIGN”…”TRAITOR”, etc. Mugshots from her 2017 failure-to-appear arrest are especially popular.
trnc
@germy:
Elmendorf was the director of the CBO, fairly sane IIRC. I didn’t know he was the Dean of Harvard Law now.
trnc
How does DT wind up in a prison cell if he isn’t prosecuted?
Aleta
@germy:
And she immediately posted a ready made response (to Harvard’s calling out her lies) that continues the RW attack on universities. (A dead serious part of their attack on democratic government.)
*“it is a rite of passage and badge of honor to join the long line of leaders who have been boycotted, protested, and canceled by colleges and universities across America.” *“cower and cave to the woke Left” *“Ivory Tower’s march toward a monoculture of like-minded, intolerant liberal views demonstrates the sneering disdain for everyday Americans and will instill a culture of fear for students”
germy
@Aleta:
“It’s a badge of honor” to be removed, which is why I guess she refused to voluntarily step down.
Steve in the ATL
@germy: I hate Harvard as much as the next guy, but I watched the game last night with a Harvard Law School alum and he provided a $400 bottle of wine, so these two incidents are softening my disdain for the Crimson.
WaterGirl
@Kathleen: Thanks. I just watched it. What a piece of shit.
WaterGirl
@Kathleen: Berated by YELLING without a fucking mask, from 5 feet away. RAGE
AJ - Mustard Search & Rescue Team
Thanks for this and all your other posts mistermix.
Btw the Congresswoman’s last name is spelled Jayapal with two A’s.
trnc
Clownish? Yes. Did he top that? You be the judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4rMy1iA268
Gravenstone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Bane is the Batman villain. Bain makes me think of Bain Capital and the Mittster.
leeleeFL
@different-church-lady: 3 deaths at an intersection before a traffic light is considered.
Just sayin’
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@Kathleen: God, that is perfect.
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@Kathleen: That’s okay. Their idealized vision of Lord Dane wouldn’t show up on it either, most likely.
leeleeFL
@jp: can’t live with em, can’t eat em! I AM a vegetarian, after all!
Subsole
@Wapiti: That certainly plays a part, from what I’ve seen. Also Celtic knotwork tattoos are really big with them. Again, part of that idealized pagan past.
Never mind the Gauls were not the Celts who were not the Picts or the Wealisc…
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@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
True.
To.
Form.
Obdurodon
I for one welcome our NATO allies’ offer of aid. Of course it might cause some on the right to have aneurysms (I was going to say “drive them crazy” but they already are) and that makes it even better.
Kathleen
@WaterGirl: And Sherrod Brown was Full Metal NFLTG. Said Hawley and Cruz should be expelled.
🐾BillinGlendaleCA
@trnc: He’s not the dean at HLS, the Kennedy School is different.
🐾BillinGlendaleCA
@Steve in the ATL: Adam Schiff is a HLS alum(class of ’85), two of my friends from college were in his class at HLS.
Sm*t Cl*de
@Subsole:
Meanwhile the actual Icelandic revivalists campaign for environmental causes and marriage equality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81satr%C3%BAarf%C3%A9lagi%C3%B0
Starboard Tack
@SFAW: The 2022 election campaign has already started in Colorado. Democrats are looking at who to run against Bobert. They are also targeting Colorado’s remaining two Republican national office holders. https://www.coloradoturnout.org/
AnnaC
@WaterGirl: Yes, he’s my Congressman and a definite good guy Dem. When he posted on FB that he tested positive, I was very sorry to hear that.
Don P.
@Betty Cracker:
“Josh Marshall pointed out that the seditionists scooped up so far seem to be under-charged, i.e., charged with disorderly conduct and trespassing, etc., rather than the more serious charges their actions seem to merit. I’m hoping this is just the function of a rush to charge as many seditionists as possible and that more serious charges will be forthcoming.”
The presser at about 3 today with FBI confirms that; they explicitly said these are only the first charges against these people. Also, the words “The FBI has a long memory” were used, which I did not expect to ever enjoy hearing.
Don P.
@trnc:
I’m waiting for an offer of “assistance” from Putin, and Trump’s acceptance. “I HAVE UNLIMITED POWER OVER MILITARY ALLIANCES!”