Tucker Carlson : "How shocked are we that 17 year olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?"
Kyle Howard Rittenhouse is charged with first-degree intentional homicide. Carlson is justifying his fatal actions. pic.twitter.com/U9CpivebHi
— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) August 27, 2020
short-tempered and hard up young white ragelords are a leading terrorist threat in the US today https://t.co/wk3ckMrmXY
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 27, 2020
The kid who murdered at least two people in Kenosha seems to have been a softer, dumber version of the guy who murdered Heather Heyer in Charlottesville — a dropout whose uneasy classmates ‘joked’ about becoming a school shooter, someone whose only strong affiliation or interest was a Protect & Serve! fantasy of blue knights standing guard over a grateful community against the forces of disorder. In the Reuters video with the best short summary, he runs away from people attempting to disarm him, literally trips over his own feet, and starts spraying bullets in all directions when they catch up to him. Then he walks toward an armored police vehicle with his hands up — only to be waved past by LEOs in search of the real threat, mouthy Black protestors and stoners armed with skateboards.
And then the Worst People in the World leapt to his defense, because after all this ‘misunderstood young man’ was just doing what they’d been urging all their listeners to do.
This point hasn't been made enough. The shooter was literally walking to the police with his hands up expecting to be arrested and the cops just waved him through when numerous people were yelling that he was the killler https://t.co/UUorttfx7i
— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) August 26, 2020
then shouldn’t they have arrested the visibly armed 17 year old out after curfew https://t.co/R6pCq7dCEM
— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 26, 2020
*hand moves one inch* MY EAGLE COPVISION TOLD ME HE WAS GOING FOR A WEAPON IN HIS WAISTBAND AND THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE MYSELF WAS UNLOADING MY SERVICE WEAPON IN HIS BACK
*saunters by toting a long gun* couldn’t see shit also it was noisy
— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 26, 2020
"Resolve whatever conflict was in place."
Hmmmmmmmmm. pic.twitter.com/Sw2dVPSTFz
— EnoughWithTheTestingHat (@Popehat) August 26, 2020
And despite being a dangerous armed criminal, the Kenosha shooter was ultimately arrested without being suffocated or shot in the back. https://t.co/tuGF9RUM4c
— Hunter Walker (@hunterw) August 26, 2020
I guess I’m just concerned about civilians running around summarily executing people when they haven’t received the rigorous training cops get to do that, and without eager union support.
— EnoughWithTheTestingHat (@Popehat) August 26, 2020
Everything about this is insane – from the combat vehicle on an American street to the repugnant alignment between police and domestic terrorists.
Policing is so very broken in this country. https://t.co/ifnLJ5j3XD
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) August 26, 2020
Scary part is, it’s not just the Thin Blue Linesmen stanning this luzer, plus the Squatter-in-Chief’s nastiest minions…
How do Trump aides see Kenosha? Here's @KellyannePolls to Fox this AM on what they see as political upside: "The more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence reigns, the better it is for the very clear choice on who's best on public safety, and law and order."
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) August 27, 2020
And FoxNews…
I see. the cops weren’t around except to give the armed LARPers water and tell them how much they appreciate them https://t.co/I56JkjT4cA
— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 27, 2020
And the NY(Com)Post…
sending copies of Saddam Hussein's erotic novels and Charles Manson's folk record, in order to get a truly balanced view https://t.co/Ysz35kiqg7
— clever username joke (@MenshevikM) August 27, 2020
It’s the Very Serious People at the self-styled ‘Paper of Record’!
2/ I think we need some follow up reporting to see whether the gunman shooting three of the protestors was connected to the shooting of the three people.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 27, 2020
Once again, Erick ‘Voice of the GOP Gated Community’ exposes the seams in the cover story:
some people can set up the heads I win tails you lose game but erick just gets the quarter lodged up his nose https://t.co/Tjp3BfxTAI
— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 27, 2020
he drove into a volatile setting in another state at the age of 17 with an illegally obtained semi automatic long rifle with which he shot three people and fled the scene, if he’s not a fucking bad guy then nobody is https://t.co/vl8wtLc3t7
— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 27, 2020
just saying if they were i'm pretty sure you wouldn't have to spend two days trying to justify "a 17 year old crossing state lines with an illegal firearm and murdering two people"
— [REDACTED]™ (@quasirealSmiths) August 27, 2020
Murder hornets. Raging pandemic. Armed right-wing vigilantes. 2020 — waddaya gonna do, amiright?
"Militia-style groups and their sympathizers have become a regular fixture in the United States this summer, appearing at dozens of events and confronting racial justice protesters."https://t.co/oWP9tf9TqS
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) August 27, 2020
NotMax
Jeeze. Take pity on the folks who are normally time zone awake at these hours and toss us a non-bleak thread once in a while.
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
This iteration of Paris After Dark sucks. I’m going to bed.
Gretchen
I’m feeling about as low as I ever have about how conservatives are spinning this. It used to be everyone could agree that going into a crowd and shooting people was a Bad Thing. Today conservatives were arguing that it was self defense after he shot that one guy and the crowd tried to stop him from shooting anyone else. And the guys who got shot were No Angels, so it was fine. I feel like I’m In the front row of a witch burning and I’m the only one who doesn’t think it’s awesome.
oatler.
Colbert had Chris Christie on his show tonight and pretty much bum-rushed him off it.
Arclite
O/T: My biggest concern with this election is the October Surprise: Trump contracts COVID-19 and dies two weeks before the election.
HumboldtBlue
Eesh. This is not the time for this thread.
opiejeanne
I’ve been so angry about this for two days, and then the kicker? The shooter’s mommy drove him and his gun to Kenosha.
What do you fucking say to your kid when you drop him off with his assault weapon in an area where there is civic unrest? “Have fun, son”? “Call me when you want to me to pick you up”?
I can’t figure out where the stupid question marks go.
Xenos
@opiejeanne: Did Mommy drive him home, too? I think there is something about conspiracies to aid and abet terrorism in the federal code.
mrmoshpotato
@oatler.:
Wait. What? Why? No, seriously, why?!
Pete Downunder
My friends here Downunder cannot understand the American tolerance of guns. I try to explain that the SCOTUS by deliberately misreading the 2nd Amendment and ignoring its history crushed most attempts at sensible gun control. When I was growing up in New York City in the 50’s we had, as I recall, the Sullivan Act which effectively banned unlicensed guns within the city and licenses were very hard to come by. We had mass shooting here in 1996 and immediately after guns were pretty much totally banned except on rural properties and for use in target shooting at registered ranges. As a result gun violence is rare.
mrmoshpotato
@Arclite:
And we all use our ballots to say “FUCK YOU, PENCE!” and vote for Biden/Harris!
ETA – Sorry, meant that joyfully (happy warrior). :)
mrmoshpotato
@opiejeanne: Where’d you read this? (I’ve been watching cooking videos for my health tonight.)
lgerard
opiejeanne
@Xenos: I am having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around this whole thing. don’t know how he got home, but maybe she just picked him up after the cops didn’t arrest him. Haven’t heard that part yet, but I’m stunned that the cops didn’t arrest him.
IMO his mother should be charged as an accessory to murder. He’s 17 and open carry of a loaded gun is only legal in Illinois AND Wisconsin for 18 and older. She knew he had the gun, she may have bought him the gun, and she brought him to the scene of his crimes, and he was also in violation of curfew (which the stupid chief of police practically said the protesters were shot because they were out after curfew.).
The first video I saw of this event, he shot the first victim and ran away, and you could hear him saying, “I just shot someone!” I wondered why he would be saying something like that, but now I think he was on the phone with someone, maybe mom.
bluefish
Horror fest. So sick of the endless bs. The grieving red head trying to bond in the audience seats with the other grieving family who ignored her had me fleeing to a very dark back yard. Peron. It’s the new thing cuz calling the man a traitor is just not cool. Yet. It will be.
opiejeanne
@mrmoshpotato: Twitter. I’m trying to remember who posted it, but I know who highlighted it: Soonergrunt. I’ll see if I can find it.
Jay Noble
@opiejeanne: I saw a screenshot twitter thing that showed Mommy dearest was one of the militia folks. Full on regalia and armed. Rittenhouse is a Mama’s boy
opiejeanne
@mrmoshpotato: II was wrong, it wasn’t Soonergrunt, it was our own Ruckus. not sure where he heard it.
Ruckus
@Ruckusisold
Replying to
@opiejeanne
and
@brat2381
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Wisconsin… According to wiki you are correct, have to be over 18. So he wasn’t legally allowed to open carry in WI or IL. And apparently mom drove him there. Accessory to murder?
mrmoshpotato
@opiejeanne: Thanks. Also, are you sure that Illinois open carry isn’t concealed carry?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@mrmoshpotato: Pence wouldn’t necessarily be the candidate in that situation, the Republicans would do a mini-convention and select a new candidate.
opiejeanne
@Jay Noble: So Mommy is a nut job.
opiejeanne
@mrmoshpotato: I don’t know, Ruckus looked it up, but other people were saying it too.
opiejeanne
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Who do you think they would try to prop up in that position?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@opiejeanne: They’d probably select Pence, but they wouldn’t have to. Pence would be the President in that situation.
mrmoshpotato
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Ok. Fuck the entire Russthuglican party and vote Biden/Harris! :) (And for all Democratic candidates down the ballot.)
Time for some more cooking videos, then dreams of loaded baked potatoes.
Sister Golden Bear
@Jay Noble: From later reporting I’ve seen, it wasn’t his mother. Doesn’t seem to look like her.
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
Don’t leave us on tenterhooks. How did the ribs turn out?
Sister Golden Bear
@?BillinGlendaleCA: They could select a new candidate, but it would be too late to get the ballots changed. Not sure what the legal ramifications would be of a last-minute replacement.
But I assume it’s straightforward for Pence to be elected as VP, since he’s on the ballot, and take office as president. He could then step down with his newly-appointment VP taking his place. But since Pence thinks he’s divinely-destined to become president, it may be hard to persuade to do this.
Jay Noble
Piecing together from the videos I’ve seen
Some chaos, somebody(ies) being chased. Shots are fired
Voice of camera person saying “they dropped him”
Rittenhouse and others are seen closing in on downed victim – Joseph Rosenbaum. This is next to a building and behind a vehicle
Rittenhouse’s companion pulls off shirt and renders aid. Besides his rifle, Rittenhouse is carrying what is described as a medical bag. He does not leave it.
Rittenhouse turns and begins to hightail it from the scene in a beeline to the cops about 2 blocks away.
As Rittenhouse begins to run, people who have seen the shooting start yelling and pointing him out and people along they way take up the chase and also yell and point.
At about 1 block and a couple glancing blows, Rittenhouse trips and pursuers pounce trying to take the rifle. This is when he shoots victim 2 – Anthony Huber. And then victim 3 – Gaige Grosskreutz, who inexpicably has a handgun arrives and has a hole put in his elbow.
Everyone backs off
Rittenhouse gets up and calmy walks towards the police at the other end of the block. None of the cops move for over 40 seconds. Not one cop is seen outside their vehicle as he walks by as he seemingly looks to be arrested or . . . something. He just walks off.
Of note: Rittenhouse and all 3 victims look pretty white to me.
Jay Noble
@Sister Golden Bear: I’d only seen that one pic but everything else that came up before being erased, it wouldn’t be much of a stretch.
Jay Noble
@opiejeanne: Full on Trumpie, although as Sistergoldenbear points out below it is probably not her int the pic I saw.
Martin
You seem to think we dislike the violence. Look at how we’ve designed things – violence is the central feature.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Sister Golden Bear: There’s a process in both parties for such a situation. Obviously ballots that have already been printed couldn’t be changed.
Martin
@Jay Noble: Yeah, all of the idiots on social media yelling ‘self defense’ to the shooting when he trips seem to willfully overlook that he had just shot someone in the head and people were trying to disarm a murderer.
patrick II
Yesterday we were trying to figure out why he was wearing gloves. The picture up top makes it clear — to keep cleaning fluid off of his hands while he helped clean spray paint from the wall.
joel hanes
@Jay Noble:
That b/w picture of an armed heavy woman in Madison is not a picture of Rittenhouse’s mother.
Sloane Ranger
@Jay Noble: This might be an unpopular observation but, from your description, it sounds like there may be 2 shooters. Unknown shooter hits victim 1, *Rittenwhatever’s companion begins to render first aid. Protesters see guy with gun standing near the victim, jump to conclusion he’s the shooter and begin chasing him. *Ritten… panics, runs away, stumbles and shoots at approaching protesters thinking they’ll attack him.
This is the nightmare scenario of having loads of unidentified, unauthorised people wandering around with deadly weapons.
*Sorry, can’t remember the guys full name.
rikyrah
@opiejeanne: How do you hide the AR-15?
If you are DRIVING HIM?!??
rikyrah
@opiejeanne:
Why is she not under arrest too??
Just Chuck
One thing’s for sure: I’ve supported repealing the second amendment for a while, but now I’m fine with the idea of going house to house and seizing guns. Won’t happen, but I support it.
Just Chuck
@Sister Golden Bear:
Since we only cast votes for electors, the electors are pretty much free to use their judgment and vote for the VP as the top of the ticket. There might be some obligation to choose a placeholder VP right then and there, but there’s an existing process for choosing a new VP once already in office.
So yeah, we’d be up against the unstoppable crowd-rousing charisma and political shrewdness of … Mike Pence.
Ian
The more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence reigns, the better it is for the very clear choice on who’s best on public safety, and law and order.”
Does this sentence seem to smack you upside the head with contradiction?
Martin
@rikyrah: Not 100% certain on this, but I’m going to guess that she’s also white.
Amir Khalid
@rikyrah:
Good question.
Amir Khalid
@Ian:
As Joe Biden points out, this shit is happening in Trump’s America. The genius who said that is inadvertently making a case for electing Biden.
Jay Noble
@Sloane Ranger: The thought of a second shooter is not out of the question. There 4 or 5 shots heard before the 1st victim is seen down and Rittenhouse doesn’t appear to be the only one with a rifle. The ballistics reports should be interesting on that 1st victim.
Jay Noble
@Martin: She is very white and Trumpy
raven
As Rosenbaum lay on the ground, the suspect made a call on his cellphone and said, “I just killed somebody” as he ran away, the complaint alleges. His friend received a call from him at 11:46 p.m. saying that he shot someone, an investigator says in the complaint.
evodevo
@Arclite: Yes. This. or stroke out…I want him functioning until the day after the election, at the very least. I really really want him to last long enough to see the inside of a jail cell…
Kay
I was reading about the two victims, because to me the most appalling thing about the local police narrative is the complete absence of the victims.
Just fundamentally not doing their jobs, law enforcement. Instead of serving the people of that city, they have taken up with a Right wing celebrity- the shooter. Appalling.
Patricia Kayden
louc
What’s even more infuriating is that Jacob Waters is handcuffed to his hospital bed. WTF?
Feathers
JJ McNabb stopped posting for a while because there was so much misinformation about the shooting out there:
https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1299068023136038912
https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1299069546968633344
burnt
@patrick II: There’s another reason you wear latex gloves. It’s to keep gunpowder residue off your hands so you come up clean when the cops test you for it.
Racer X
Katie Pavlich: “If when you have no police around to defend businesses and people who are being attacked, and their livelihoods burned to the ground, then there is a void that is filled.”
So by that logic…
If when you have no Justice Department around to defend citizens rights and people who are being attacked, and their livelihoods being destroyed, then there is a void that is filled.
fxdshdw
@mrmoshpotato: We have two levels of gun ownership here in illinois. You can get an FOID (Firearms Owner ID) card which allows you to purchase and possess a firearm, and/or a Concealed Carry permit which allows concealed carry. The FOID only requires a background check. The Concealed Carry requires a class as well.
fxdshdw
@Sloane Ranger: Plausable… But ballistics should sort that out.
Chris T.
Is anyone else weirded out by the fact that Rittenhouse was the name of the bad guys in the TV series “Timeless”?
Richard
@Arclite: i could live with that. We’ve been praying for help for a long time now. This trump thing is out to destroy us. What a stupid boy to do that shooting, and the same thing goes for that Nick Sanndman and all the rest of those boys.
They are just boys. Stupid, dangerous boys. The true fukkin idiots of all boys that ever lived in our time. How could they be raised this way? I don’t understand.
I know lots of people. We are various and use several languages. Those shitty spoiled boys are going to be ruined for life, if you allow them to do this. I do not say they should be executed, but they gotta pay some consequences for the murders they have committed.
Ignorant little stupid monsters. It is on their families, who allowed this. I swear, it’s not that hard to be human!