I’m all in.
I’ve already seen the woke left and the manic progressives pitch a fit. Fuck ’em. Biden delivered a win to the two largest constituencies in the party, women and african-americans, before spending a day in office.
In addition, she’s competent, capable, will be helluva surrogate, and could be President in her own right.
It also does not hurt that Warren/Harris were my preferred Presidential picks.
zhena gogolia
I’m so thrilled. It’s the first good news I’ve heard in so long . . .
Two strong, experienced, ethical leaders on the same ticket. What a contrast to the other side.
Adam L Silverman
As I wrote downstairs: I told you!
MikeBoyScout
Just threw in 500 via ActBlue.
Let’s go win this thang and make this the country we need.
OBTW, Have pity on the head of the White House Corona Virus Task Force. He’s going to be skewered on 10/7 if he has the testicular fortitude to show up.
MazeDancer
Raised 6 million bucks in 2 hours on Act Blue.
Also, brought uplift, peace, hope, and solace to weary women – and men – everywhere who get to taste the sweetness of all the beauty of what America ought to be.
We rise ready to destroy the foe.
cmorenc
Me too (all-in on the Biden/Harris pair). Biden / Harris are going to present an especially difficult target for team Trump to effectively hit, or to alter the focus of this race from being a referendum on Trump. One interesting tidbit: Trump actually donated to Harris’s California AG campaign!
Biden was already sort of like the Tom Hanks of politics, in that it’s hard for Trump to re-cast Biden from everyman into a villain stereotype, and it’s going to be hard for Trump to effectively play the race card without driving black / Asian-American (especially female) turnout to record levels, or reinforcing the fact that in part the election is a referendum on Trump’s divisive racism in addition to his malignant mismanagement of COVID on both disease and economic fronts..
AND: if Trump does decide to misappropriate the Gettysburg battlefield for his nomination acceptance speech, the unfortunate symbolic parallel that will likely stick to him from that scenario is the Confederates and Robert E. Lee , not the Union and Abe Lincoln.
Patricia Kayden
JPL
So happy!
dmsilev
They were going to pitch a fit for any of the plausible options; they seem not to understand that perpetual monotonous screaming on Twitter mostly just gets people to tune you out.
Roger Moore
He also delivered a win to a smaller but still important constituency, Asian Americans. Never forget that Kamala Harris is as much Indian American as she is African American.
zhena gogolia
@cmorenc:
J.-L. Cauvin has done Trump reading the Gettysburg address. This guy isn’t just doing an impression — he is POSSESSED by Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG-pKxSPTg
ETA: Ordered my lawn sign and bumper stickers!
Randolf Hurts
“Fuck ’em” Good god, for all the talk of circular firing squad here y’all surely do embrace it.
SmallAxe
I’m pumped for America too. Lets Go! Act Blue got $6M in donations in 2 hours, another great sign
White & Gold Purgatorian
I was hoping He would pick Harris after my preferred candidate took herself out of contention. Biden/Harris is a strong team, hard to beat at the polls and fully capable of pulling the country out of Trump’s swamp if they win. Please, gods, may they win.
Kropacetic
May appear unfortunate to us, not to his voters though.
Yutsano
@Roger Moore: Specifically, the South Asian community. And inasmuch as she is immersed in the Howard University/AKA world, she very much embraces her mother’s roots as well. Not to mention she also gets a few more looks from the Jewish community via her husband. She’s brilliant all around.
schrodingers_cat
Manic progressives/leftier-than-thou folks in India aren’t happy either. They still haven’t gotten over the loss of their socialist grandpa.
Roger Moore
@Randolf Hurts:
Your concern is duly noted.
Omnes Omnibus
@Randolf Hurts: Try starting a fight some other place and some other time.
grumbles
I was a Warren for President fan, but prefer her raising rabble in the Senate, where I think she can get more done, than as veep.
Let’s go send some Republicans to the lobbyist dens.
Kay
QAnon is the future GOP. You think they can’t get worse- then they do.
Kropacetic
@Roger Moore: We don’t need their stinkin’ votes anyway..
Yutsano
@Randolf Hurts: Thank you for your input nym I have never seen before and most likely will never see again.
geg6
@Randolf Hurts:
Or is it Randolf’s Butt Hurts?
eclare
So happy about this pick! Despair/rage 24/7 gets old. As someone else noted, I wish John Lewis had seen it.
zhena gogolia
@geg6:
I think it’s Dick Hurts from Holden.
Patricia Kayden
Roger Moore
@Kropacetic:
We never had their votes to begin with. I swear, if Wilmer had somehow managed to win the election, Rose Twitter would have found an excuse to disown him before the election.
Mai naem mobile
I know this isn’t a big deal to most Americans but today is Jainmastami – Krishna’s birthday – pretty auspicious day to announce the first candidate with South Asian heritage on a major party presidential ticket. I’ve been a Harris supporter from the primaries so I am pretty happy.
Jeffro
KH is a really good pick and the sense of it keeps growing on me by the minute. Smart move, Uncle Joe & Co!
I keep laughing at the people who are wondering (on social media) “what EVs does this bring in? where’s the swing-state leverage?” and so on and so on.
Now if Joe and Kamala would just pound on trumpov: “Wouldja please at least get started on containing the virus, so that our poor country doesn’t have to start from scratch in January? The nation’s schools…the nation’s college football teams…they’re all looking to you for one solitary act of leadership, Mr. president* “
cmorenc
@Kropacetic:
But as with the confederacy, in the end there won’t be enough of them to win against a (Biden) Union army with superior field position and greater numbers. To everyone but Trump’s hard-core supporters, the symbolism of using Gettysburg will backfire badly.
Tidbit from having grown up in NC and being taught state history c. 1962 – We were taught the Civil War from the perspective of the Confederate side being “us” rather than “them” in the Civil War: Gettysburg, and Pickett’s Charge in particular were venerated as being the “high water mark of the Confederacy” in a noble lost cause. Of course, when we got around to World War 1 and World War II the US was again “us” rather than “them”, but the duality of historical perspective in southern schools pre-integration is hard for northerners or younger folks to understand.
Kay
Headed to Congress! The quality just goes up and up on the Right, let me tell you. Every new batch is worse than the last.
Jeffro
@Kay: “If we’re going to be a kooky rump party from here on out, we are going to be KOO-ky, all right!”
Move over GOP, here comes the QP. Hoo boy.
Kropacetic
@Roger Moore: I just don’t see the benefit of perpetuating bilateral open contempt. They may yet vote for Biden or at least for some down-ballot Dems if they decide to go 3rd party.
MomSense
It feels so good to be happy about something in politics again. Dare I say I feel hopeful?
dmsilev
@Roger Moore: Snake emoji for everyone! You get a ?! And you get a ?! ??? for everyone!
PaulWartenberg
thing is, when you look at Harris’ voting record as a Senator, she’s way closer to Bernie Sanders on the scoring as a Progressive than most other Democrats. She scores a little higher than Warren! So why are the Progressives throwing a hissy fit? Oh right, she’s not openly committed to socialism. /headdesk
Kropacetic
Lies in service of propping up existing power structures. Not so hard.
Kay
@Jeffro:
I mean, I saw it coming. How could they miss it? The problem is their base is radicalized. Their voters are nuts. I don’t think they can fix that because there’s always going to be a grifter to tap into it.
We had one in the office today. Dr. Fauci created the “Wuhan virus”. They speak in code.
Patricia Kayden
@Roger Moore: And Senator Harris is also Jamaican American.
PsiFighter37
I’d be interested in hearing what your neighbors in West BY GOD Virginia thought. They might be even more interested in setting your Biden poster on fire – let us know how long it lasts.
Roger Moore
@Jeffro:
They’re not supposed to be KOO-ky; they’re supposed to be KKKooky.
Ella in New Mexico
Was rooting for Liz Warren but after all the BLM and civil rights stuff this year this just makes the most sense and is historic, to boot. I’ve grown to admire and like Kamala Harris. She’s strong, smart, gutsy and will be formidable on the campaign trail. I’m incredibly proud of my country that she’s on the ticket and I’m delighted to support her.
Oh, and let the “woke left and the manic progressives” pitch a fit all they want. Just like a nasty case of food poisoning, they’re gonna have it coming out of both ends to get it out of their system, but they’ll likely survive… and most will come to their senses in November or their numbers won’t matter if they don’t.
Kay
I think she’s a great choice but it’s also worth mentioning he has a really good campaign. We never talk about the campaign because they never do anything to draw attention to themselves, which is how it’s supposed to be.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Big blow to Pence. “Mother” doesn’t allow him to be alone with a woman. Debate now in doubt.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mai naem mobile: Cool.
zhena gogolia
@Kay:
Yes, I’m impressed by that.
Jeffro
@Kay: It’s weird but at this point the only things that could bring the GOP back might be…fair redistricting across the country (to make their crazy candidates un-viable) and extremely progressive tax rates (to take away their crazy bankrollers’ funds).
You know, across the next 5-6 election cycles…maybe 7-8 ;)
Kropacetic
Aside from the bad-mouthing of the ultimate pick by a couple dinosaurs last week.
Jeffro
@Roger Moore: they are all that and a bag of chips…er nuts. Yes, I think bag o’ nuts works.
rikyrah
Jeffro
@Kay:
@zhena gogolia:
the effect of all those endorsements by Dem politicos and interest groups (and hell, even the LP had a video up but quick!) one after another sure beat back the Twitters today, which was nice.
cmorenc
@Kropacetic:
I’ll relate another tidbit that sounds racist from a contemporary 2020 perspective, but our town’s high school was integrated in stages over 3 years, starting with many of the best athletes and students from the black high school. What was amazing is how quickly racism began to melt right from the outset of the new school year among the at-first uneasy white students, when our previously miserable athletic teams started winning with the new talent aboard, and also most of us realized these guys were really cool and fun folks to hang out with at school. Yeah, the integration process in our town kinda stinks from a 2020 perspective, but at the time it succeeded in the miracle of making integration an entirely peaceful protest-free process in our southeastern NC town, in contrast to how ugly and violent things proceeded in many other southern locales.
Also, gotta remember that in 1962, World War 2 was as recent as Bush Jr’s Iraq war is to us today, and most of our parents were veterans who served in WW2, and it’s hard to appreciate just how on edge and unified the US was in 1962 from having been on the very brink of nuclear war with the Soviet Union. Patriotic support of the US was a very easy sell that easily crossed all ideological divides across the overwhelming majority of the population in 1962.
Awareness that our country could go so wrong treating other nations didn’t really begin to dawn on any significant portion of the public until the late 1960s with Vietnam, and even that took a surprisingly long time for public option to begin turning around.
Nelle
I just heard that my seven year old great niece is upset with the choice of Kamala Harris. She planned to be the first black female Vice-President herself and feels cut out of the chase now. Consoling is happening.
Jeffro
My free “Biden/Harris” sticker from MoveOn is already on its way…truly, we live in an amazing age! ;)
Roger Moore
@Kay:
How could they not see it coming when they’re the ones who created the situation? The Republican party has spent my entire lifetime building a base of people who will believe whatever nonsense the party throws their way. Now they act surprised when those people start believing utter nonsense that was created by someone else. Sorry people, you can’t selectively destroy people’s critical faculties so they believe your nonsense but resist other people’s. That’s not how brain damage works.
Burnspbesq
@PaulWartenberg:
‘Don’t forget the other source of of the Bros’ enmity toward Sen. Harris.
Kay
Someone is going to get sued. The whole thing is on video so it’s just a matter of totting up damages!
Good. I hope she gets a piece of their paychecks for the next 50 years.
MCA1
“Biden delivered a win to the two largest constituencies in the party, women and african-americans, before spending a day in office.”
Cole’s right here, I think. I said back when Biden was sewing up the nomination and people were complaining that he was uninspiring and boring and I wish we had a more exciting choice, that to the contrary he actually sat in a unique historical position, with a chance to be perhaps the nation’s most important one-term president. A transformational political figure of sorts. He dutifully championed and served as second banana to the nation’s first black president, a very symbolic thing in retrospect. And with the 2020 D nomination he now had the opportunity to both choose and hand the torch to the nation’s first woman president if he won the White House and helped her succeed him. I think if all that happens, in a hundred years he’ll be seen as a central figure in dismantling both the patriarchal and racial walls that have to date kept America from fully living some of the promises on which it was founded. He’s one step closer to possibly achieving that legacy today.
Gravenstone
@Nelle: At least her motivation for being disappointed is pure.
Burnspbesq
A working definition of “spoilt for choice:” Gavin Newsom picking Harris’ Senate successor.
I almost never agree with Loomis, but “Senator Katie Porter” sounds really good to my ears.
Patricia Kayden
@Kay: And Q-anon isn’t even the bottom from which the GOP will scrape. I shudder to think who will be their next Trump.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@Mai naem mobile: Nice! Thanks for the info. Makes today even better.
Kropacetic
When my little sister expressed disgust at my support for Harris, I said “please don’t tell me you bought into that ‘Kamala is a cop’ B.S.” She said no and then related to me a story about a single decision Harris made as AG to not prosecute someone who happened to be a donor.
She was dismissive of the idea that there may not have been enough evidence for this prosecution or some other reason for this decision. She was certain that this was not the case, but my pressing for additional details did not yield any strong evidence she was well versed on the facts of the case.
Granted I know nothing about it, but still…
Elizabelle
@dmsilev: Sneks for Joe and Kamala. Assemble!
Roger Moore
@Kay:
I saw that Illinois has just made it a felony to attack an employee who is enforcing their company’s mask rule.
Suzanne
Ben Shapiro should be eternally grateful to Kamala Harris for distracting the media attention away from his hilarious accidental admission that he’s never aroused his wife.
206inKY
Harris is such a dynamite choice. They make a great team. I was hoping for Stacey Abrams, but I love Harris too and can’t wait to vote!
lamh36
Opinion | America is about to see what smart Republicans saw in Kamala Harris years ago https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/11/kamala-harris-woman-republicans-could-not-stop/
Roger Moore
@Burnspbesq:
I still like the sound of Senator John Chiang.
joel hanes
cmorenc:
in contrast to how ugly and violent things proceeded in many other southern locales.
Other southern locales … such as South Boston.
I served with young men from all parts of the US, including many from the deep south. By far the most open and flaming racist was a Southie.
Burnspbesq
@Kropacetic:
I have a tendency to get snappish at young people who are willfully naive about the realities of politics. Good that I wasn’t a participant in that conversation.
Kattails
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: This really just absolutely fucking boggles me. There HAS to be a back story to this. It can’t just be religion (of course it can but but but)
@Nelle: Ask her if she really wanted us to wait for another 40 years for this to happen. When she’s old enough she can just be president in her own right.
Kropacetic
I don’t think this is an accurate characterization of the problem people reluctant to support Biden have with him.
I truly believe he’s grown and learned. But, frankly, he helped build that, often quite enthusiastically. I’m fine with giving him a chance to dismantle it, especially since his competition is still pushing to make it worse, but he wasn’t the intuitive choice there. He and Bernie were also major beneficiaries of racist and misogynist concern trolling by the MSM.
japa21
Biden declared winner of CT primary. That should just about wrap up the nomination.
geg6
@Suzanne:
HAHAHAHAHAHA, wut?
rikyrah
Dan B
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: You do mean the Harris / Haley debate, don’t you?
Trump has to be in the spotlight to show he loves women. And he might believe that having two white guys with Indian American women VP’s is a winner.
rikyrah
The President of Senator Harris ‘s Sorority was on Joy Reid ( in her pink and green?).
Said that she already had conversations with four of The Divine Nine, and they are ready to get in formation??
Suzanne
@geg6: Did you miss that? Shapiro has the vapors about WAPS and said something regrettable. My sympathies to Mrs. Shapiro.
Omnes Omnibus
@geg6: He apparently denied the existence of the female orgasm on camera.
Baud
@Suzanne:
It’s our duty to keep that story alive.
MC
Is there any person/place that fact checks the crap that the online Left says about Harris?
Kropacetic
I keep telling her that governing is a collaborative process and we can’t just write off other people’s desires and concerns (still, that should go both ways).
I have a little sympathy, though. The left does get short shrift in our national discourse. It’s ridiculous how we are too reluctant to push the envelope on ideas to help our citizens; but the right pretty much gets carte blanche and are, indeed, racing to see who can push the envelope farthest in harming people.
Ken
@rikyrah: A couple of hours (and about 600 comments ago), someone noted that Harris has also seen the unredacted version of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on Trump and Russia.
Kropacetic
Jesus, I’m gay and I have even borne witness to this. I can send him some videos if he wants proof.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropacetic: I, perhaps, should rephrase it a bit. Just to make sure the on camera is where I meant it to be. He apparently denied, on camera, the existence of the female orgasm.
Amir Khalid
I was asleep when Harris was announced. Now that I have awoken, eaten breakfast and caught up with the news, let me just say this: Kamala Harris was the obvious best choice all along.
Ken
@Kropacetic: But what if he’s seen that famous video that claims women often fake it?
Shana
@PaulWartenberg: And my public defender Democratic Socialist daughter is pissed that Joe picked “a cop.”
Kropacetic
@Omnes Omnibus: I understood entirely. I just wanted to point out this phenomenon has been caught on camera and makes for some enjoyable watching.
His poor wife must have convinced him they always fake it.
gwangung
@Shana: This is not a detriment to half of the Democratic Party, and a crap-load of independents who are going to vote in this election.
Lapassionara
@cmorenc: Thank you. This was my experience as well.
geg6
@Suzanne:
@Omnes Omnibus:
OMG, that is hysterical.
Ken
@Shana: She doesn’t know the difference between police and DAs? You should invite her for a visit and watch eight hours of Law and Order reruns.
Dan B
@Omnes Omnibus: OT In reply to your request for sources about Biden as a one term president: Most pieces are from December, Politico, The Hill, Vanity Fair, etc. but there are sime from May. Apparently there was serious discussion with staff and they decided it would not play well in media.
I googled Biden one term. Lots of articles.
Shana
@Kay: Didn’t I just see that some governor is proposing making that kind of assault a felony?
lamh36
Maya Rudolph’s agent is on the phone right now negotiating her new asking price…LOL
Spanky
@Ken:
With Ben, no one bothers.
Baud
@Shana: I have a great deal of respect for public defenders so I hope they don’t blow it.
Omnes Omnibus
@geg6: Still you bought a toy that can reach the places he never goes
Ken
@Shana: Illinois already has.
Geoboy
@Roger Moore: With
the death penalty, hopefully.
Baud
@geg6:
I see what you did there.
Elizabelle
@Amir Khalid:
Yes. We are both celebrating and … not surprised.
But happy, happy, happy.
Martin
@Kay: Really embracing the lesson of Sesame Street there.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Randolf Hurts:
Putting in the late shift eh, Comrade?
Edmund Dantes
@Kay: well Chris Dodd and ilk was out there belittling her but sure, they kept it leak free.
Omnes Omnibus
@Dan B: Thanks. It looks like there is no official statement then. It would not surprise me if he makes that choice, but it would surprise me if he would say that now.
cmorenc
So what kind of distraction will Trump try to manufacture tomorrow to try to steal the media spotlight away from Biden’s announcement of Harris, and their upcoming appearance tomorrow? His ego cannot stand the lion’s share of media attention being directed away from him (particularly to his now-main political rivals) for even a day or two – and he’s going to concoct something, bet on it.
patrick II
Like many commenters here, Warren was my first choice for president and Kamala second. However, for vice president, Harris was my first choice. Age is the main reason. Having two people in their 70’s on the ticket is not a good idea. Plus, I like the fact she was a prosecuting attorney who actually took cases to trial. The thought of some evidence-based thinking in the White House will be a pleasant change.
Shana
@gwangung: Well, you and I know that…
Kropacetic
Just the intro should do, on loop if some time is needed to process.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
They should be more than just sued. They should go to jail for assault
Martin
@cmorenc: Maybe he’ll announce his VP pick.
Shana
@Ken: Oh she knows… she’s just being willfully unsatisfied.
Kropacetic
I would have been OK with this, mainly because I like the idea of having a blank slate the next time we have an opportunity to decide on the top of the ticket.
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Why not both? The criminal conviction would make the civil case a slamdunk.
FlyingToaster
@joel hanes:
Trust me, the racists here in the Hub are the most loud and proud racists in the land. They’re a minority, but they won’t shut the fuck up and move to Texas, like the rest of us wish.
Sorry Texas, we’re tiny, you’re big.
different-church-lady
@dmsilev:
And you know what happens when you tune them out — they scream louder.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Harris was one of my choices during the primary other than Warren. I’m glad Biden picked her. She’s incredibly intelligent and I think will help drive turnout up in the places we need to win
TS (the original)
@Dan B:
I like to think that Haley is smarter than that. She doesn’t want to be the VP to a loser.
Calouste
@MC: Mike Rowe? I mean, he’s used to dealing with crap.
CarolPW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Had no idea that had happened, but it totally explains every issue I have ever had with both republican men and republican women.
different-church-lady
@Randolf Hurts: “Fuck ’em” is the very opposite of “Shoot ’em”
Kropacetic
If he lost, she wouldn’t be the VP.
lamh36
Congresswoman Brenda Lee from California, smiling from ear to ear on Maddow’s show. You could just see she was glowing with happiness, as has every Black Dem pol I’ve seen interviewed today, but there has just been brighter smiles on the women pols and not just the Black women pols.
Congresswomen Sheila Jackson Lee Elenaor Holmes Norton and Maxine Waters had the same smiles. Claire McCaskill also same smile.
First pol I saw respond though, was Cory Booker, same big smile on his face as Brenda Lee had on MSNBC earlier this evening, “Kamala is not just my friend, she’s my sister…I am beyond happy right now”.
For me at least, and it seems more folks that expected, this was def a bright respite from the dreary pandemic coverage of late. And so far…I’ve seen, aside from “rose twitter”…folks are ready to be done with all that and ready to get rid of Chump
Burnspbesq
@rikyrah:
A friend from my home town in NJ is an Alpha Phi Alpha member. I can’t remember ever seeing him more jazzed about anything than he is about the Harris designation.
Kent
@FlyingToaster: Honestly they are everywhere. I grew up with plenty of flaming racist assholes in rural Oregon. They are all MAGA or death right now and spend all their time stroking their guns and messing with their big trucks and boats. There just aren’t remotely enough minorities anywhere outside of Portland to even have segregation much less desegregation.
Steeplejack
Whut?
This was retweeted by Rick Scott, so make of it what you will.
different-church-lady
@Kay:
Yeah, but what’s 300 bucks gonna get her?
Uncle Cosmo
@Omnes Omnibus: IOW, “DanB” has no source that has any authority, just a few handsful of speculative articles of the let-wishing-make-it-so variety that expiring pundits pulled out of their arses.
I fully expect (& intend) to vote to re-elect the Biden/Harris ticket in 2024, and so should all of us. This “one-term” talk is pure malarkey & should be treated as such.
Burnspbesq
@FlyingToaster:
We do not lack for ignorant racists, TYVM.
Baud
@Steeplejack: Hillary!
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Is it Hillary? I bet it’s Hillary.
ETA: Damn it, Baud.
Keith P.
@Patricia Kayden: Don Jr
rikyrah
???
Murderer
Brachiator
@Roger Moore:
The Times of India specifically notes Harris’ South Indian roots here…
And here…
And perhaps they allude to a little India power and pride here…
Kropacetic
@Uncle Cosmo: DanB stated the results of his search for a source, that it didn’t adequately support his initial claim.
Sometimes people relate half-remembered ideas, but getting to the truth is a process. He undertook that process and came to a reasonable conclusion.
TLDR: why you such a dick?
NotMax
@TS (the original)
He’s not going to ditch Pence. It would be a 300 decibel admission he made a YOOGE MISTAKE.
All this Haley blather is just noise. Pay it no mind.
Geoduck
@Martin: I’d give it about a 50/50 chance that the Shiatgibbon dumps Pence for some GOP woman. He certainly doesn’t need the latter around anymore to keep the evangelicals on board.
Kent
I agree. Trump has too much ego.
First, I agree he would never admit he made a mistake.
Second, he would never agree he needs help. He would honestly probably run without a running mate if he could. It’s all about the Trump show, not a partnership, especially not with a ….*woman
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
True.
lamh36
Yesssir…let ’em know CORY bout ya sister Kamala Harris…
Baud
Trump will stick with Pence but make him wear drag. Pence will be proud to comply.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Steeplejack:
Pirro and Hannity: It’s George Soros!
Geoduck
@NotMax: It’s not a sure thing, but he casually tosses people over the side all the time. He could just say Pence failed at his job, and he’s getting someone better, and his followers will stay in line. The only hard part will be finding someone to do the actual physical firing.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: ::shutters::
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Omnes Omnibus:
To be fair, he’s probably never been in the company of a woman while she experienced one.
Kent
Careful what you wish for. We had a blank slate this time around too. And all the oxygen got sucked out of the room by two white guys in their late 70s. I’m all for Biden/Harris obviously. But the primary didn’t exactly go the way I had hoped.
Ruckus
@Nelle:
It is great to have good goals. All I knew at 7 was that I wanted to be able to grow up. I’ll let you know if I ever get there….
lamh36
10.8 Million dollars in four hours!
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
The Google shows that he has commented occasionally. There’s even one from 2007.
PsiFighter37
@Steeplejack: Rick Scott deserves to be beaten by a naked Florida Man. If there was ever a walking human turd deserving of such a thing…it’s him. I still have a hard time believing that Bill Nelson – not the most inspiring guy, but a decent person and former astronaut to boot – lost to that fuckhead.
TS (the original)
@lamh36:
And he quoted Maya Angelou
PsiFighter37
@lamh36: Don’t care unless it is sustained. We need money / mana to rain on the battlegrounds.
NotMax
@Geoduck
Except that Pence is the fundigelicals’ pin-up boy.
Immanentize
@Amir Khalid: You said that days ago. You are no Johnny come lately.
To All re: Katie Porter -+ She seems great — but white people really do love themselves some white people. California does not need and should not have two white Senators. It would be insane for the governor to appoint a white person to that position. Diversity means you must support — and effectuate — diversity.
rikyrah
dmsilev
@Kent: Maybe he’ll pick Ivanka.
Seanly
I’m very happy with this ticket. All the double guessers and The One True Progressives can jump off a cliff.
I liked Warren but some of the videos of Harris talking with young girls really lit a fire for me.
I look forward to the Biden/Harris administration!
HumboldtBlue
Brent Terhune has some thoughts on the Harris pick.
Ruckus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Well it’s someone named Harris because all the gear is already for sale as Biden/Harris. Might be Frank Harris for all we know, but Frank doesn’t look the the person in all the pictures of Joe with a women talking about running for Pres/Vice Pres.
Kropacetic
@Ruckus: The claim isn’t that Harris wasn’t the pick. It’s that Biden wasn’t the principle decider.
lamh36
@PsiFighter37:
DUH…
Martin
@lamh36: Yeah, I really needed today. Put MSNBC on as soon as the announcement came out just to enjoy watching people gushing over the choice.
sanjeevs
Whatever about her positions and track record (and I’m fine with both) I don’t see how anyone can argue that Kamala isn’t the best retail politician on Biden’s shortlist.
I can’t imagine any of the other candidates doing something like the Mark Warner cooking video.
Immanentize
@Shana: Tell her from a long time PD in really serious jurisdictions and then representing those on death row that a good and ethical DA is as important to justice as umpteen passionate defense attorneys. Truth.
Kropacetic
Did we though? Those two white guys who got all the oxygen were fed all the oxygen by the MSM explicitly because they were a former VP and 2016’s runner up.
NotMax
@Ruckus
Edna Harris. Runs a food truck. Once served Beau a memorably great grilled cheese sandwich.
:)
cain
@Roger Moore:
Damn straight.. and one would argue that culturally closer to south indian culture than black given that she loves to mention her mom often. Clearly she was a big part of her life.
So yes, Indians will be pleased and we will be voting for her on that account.
Patricia Kayden
Omnes Omnibus
@HumboldtBlue: Who the fuck is that? And why should I care?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Martin:
I don’t ever remember seeing politicians so happy about a Veep pick. Barbara Lee sounded almost giddy on the Maddow program. I’m thinking all those tweets I read about Harris lacking support in the African American community may have been a bit off….
HumboldtBlue
@Martin: @lamh36:
Here ya go
Also, is it a sin to tell the Bishop of Providence to go to hell?
Asking for a friend.
Martin
@Immanentize: You could also look at her as a woman. Maybe if some of the super white states in the country could get around to electing some women (white or otherwise), California wouldn’t have to be doing so much work on that front.
Keep in mind that Adam Schiff is going to unquestionably be the top contender for the seat, simply due to his national exposure over the last year.
Kropacetic
It’s almost as though not being voters’ first pick is not an indication of indifference or disdain.
prostratedragon
@Kay: Oh my, I’d seen that earlier –not just a person, but a kid, and (what I hadn’t known) not just a kid, but a girl! There really are way too many people walking around these days with something seriously wrong with them.
Martin
@HumboldtBlue: I’m an atheist so I don’t believe in sin, so have at it.
HumboldtBlue
@Omnes Omnibus:
He’s a comedian, trust me he’s mocking maga
HumboldtBlue
@Martin:
As am I thanks to the church
BruceFromOhio
@zhena gogolia: Gaia save me, this made me laugh out loud.
Kay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
They have such complicated interior lives, Right wing nutjobs. Just once could they do without a conspiracy? Things might be what they seem to be.
zhena gogolia
@BruceFromOhio:
It’s the oldest Massachusetts joke there is.
Kropacetic
If they ever acknowledge that objective reality exists then they risk the whole Big Lie coming undone.
Suzanne
@geg6: Not quite as funny but still amusing was Rod Dreher’s reaction, which was essentially, “Wow, that video is so filthy, so scandalous, whatever will become of our culture, HERE’S A LINK AND ALL THE LYRICS, and don’t forget to buy my book”.
Steeplejack
@PsiFighter37:
Rick Wilson was mocking that tweet. What I meant about him retweeting it was not that he endorsed it but that it appears to be legit, i.e., not a complete joke.
The consensus of the comments is that the Foxers are getting Q-adjacent or Q-curious.
Immanentize
@Martin: There are even women of color in California who would make great even short term senators. Bass comes to mind. It does not have to be one underrepresented group versus another. Let whoever wants to make their case do so in 2023.
Gin & Tonic
@HumboldtBlue: People here in RI do it all the time.
The Moar You Know
@TS (the original): I’ve been thinking the same thing but Haley has a problem; she’s very ambitious. And sometimes ambitious people do really stupid shit to get what they want. I don’t think she would but I’m not ruling out the possibility.
Eolirin
@prostratedragon: It wasn’t a girl? Uses a male pronoun when describing the victim.
cain
@Kay:
Boy from Tea party to Trump Party, to Qanon – at that point it will be a party of crazy. The big tent of radical clowns running around stabbing each other.
Kent
What’s about Karen Bass? Is there any chance her unexpected elevation to the finalist for VP had the ulterior motive of raising her profile as a Harris replacement if they already pretty much knew that Harris was going to be the pick? Or is that to Machiavellian
I expect there are also some really great Hispanic women candidates in CA. Has to be. I just don’t off the top of my head know who they would be.
Aleta
Via Imani Gandy, a Rewire News thread on Harris’ record on reproductive health, rights, and justice. Links to articles at Rewire News are in the thread.
Kay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I don’t know if they’ll go to jail but they will be charged with assault since it’s all on video, the dumbasses. At some point after they’re charged there will be a discussion about how they ran away after they beat up the 17 year old, who left in an ambulance. Not good for them.
HumboldtBlue
I’ve now received two texts from the ACLU of Northern California, two texts from Move On about Biden/Harris and a text from local Dems.
SFAW
@Patricia Kayden:
That’s part of the reason the Traitor-in-Chief hates her — he’s also from Jamaica. Well, Jamaica Estates, technically. But he aspired to Little Neck/Douglaston.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@The Moar You Know: trump is going to say a lot of stupid, nasty, racist shit over the next three months– yes, more so than usual– and I don’t think Haley wants to be the one to have to do that clean up work.
Adam has the interesting idea of Kristi Noem. I haven’t seen her up close, but my impression is she may not be as smart as Haley, and she’s squirrelly and almost certainly a liar (her story about almost losing the family farm because of the estate tax when her daddy died is full of holes), but I don’t think she’s as dumb as some other MAGAts
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: a minor in an ambulance? I’m surprised that wouldn’t earn some jail time
Kent
@Aleta: My woke 17 year old LGBT daughter is super happy with this pick. She was convinced that Harris was the most pro-LGBT candidate in the primary. She never really took to Buttigieg
Patricia Kayden
We’re coming for you, Lindsay!
Immanentize
@Kay: I’ve been thinking a lot about these conspiracy minded folks — because I had such a student this summer. She was studious and smart, but when a result didn’t suit her, she would reach for the craziest complicated explanation. She didn’t like masks and being inconvenienced by Covid. So she had to believe that it really wasn’t that bad. Which also led her to believe that the deaths reported weren’t accurate and to explain that she has an elaborate belief that there is a whole health industry that is reporting car accident deaths as Covid deaths because they get more insurance money, but when it is pointed out that respiratory deaths have vastly increased while car deaths have dramatically declined, she has some other explanation which sounded to me like “blah blah blah Ginger blah blah blah.”
Kay
@cain:
What interests me is the absolute weakness and passivity of the Republican Party. Any random nutjob can just wander in and seize control. They have NINE QAnon candidates. Now some will lose but that’s a lot!
lamh36
@lamh36: ugh…I meant Barbara Lee of course…ugh
cain
@Kay:
They should seriously be panicking because those people will likely never listen to any of them.. uncontrolled for the most part. I hope they continue down to this path to its irrevocable end.
Kent
Replacing Pence would require Trump to admit that: (1) he made a mistake with Pence, and (2) that he needs help from a woman. I don’t see that happening. In his administration, women serve as courtiers, not partners.
HumboldtBlue
@Gin & Tonic:
I spent many a 1970s summer playing with the Von Trapp kids on Elephant Rock beach. I have a cousin who now lives in Providence. I always liked Rhode Island.
Little Compton.
Bishop dumbass tweeted that this is the first time in a long time there was no Catholic on the Dem ticket.
Eolirin
@Patricia Kayden: As much as I’m hoping for that outcome, don’t put too much stock in the predictive power of special or out of band local elections for the general. Turn out will be very different. Extrapolating too much can lead to disappointment.
cain
@Kropacetic:
No need to give them a seat at the table if they don’t vote or anything. Like the GOP they should probably just disappear into irrelevance.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: Nice.
Immanentize
@Kent: Agreed. The problem is that we have NO CLUE regarding all the talent in the vast State of California. So for people (Eric Loomis, self proclaimed hero of the working minority) to immediately land on Katie Porter as the absolute necessary choice to replace Harris makes me want to vomit on his shoes.
But as my friend in San Antonio (Gay Latina) used to say, “They do reveal themselves.”
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: It’s not really right if you don’t include an apology.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kent:valid counterpoints
counter-counter-point: It would be great ratings
‘Mike is sick, it’s terrible, but Mike is great, his wife, Katie, is terrific, she’ll take good care of him. It’s not the Covid, cause we’re doing such a great job, but Mike wanted to take some time off, he said to me, Sir, with tears in his eyes he said, sir, it’s been the greatest thing, the dream of my life to work for you and help you do such a great job, but I’m sick and I said, Mike, you gotta take care of this, you’ve gotta go home and let Carol make you better, so Mike’s going home….”
BruceFromOhio
@zhena gogolia: Must’ve missed it growing up, not from MA. My laughter was genuine. Taunt me not.
BruceFromOhio
@cain:
I approve of this. How to accelerate and enhance the process, any ideas?
cain
@Nelle:
First black speaker of the house is still open as well as majority leader AND President :)
Baud
@Immanentize: I like Katie, but I agree with you. I also see her as someone who should be tapped by the Biden administration.
zhena gogolia
@BruceFromOhio:
I’m not taunting! I just don’t want to get credit for originality.
Omnes Omnibus
@BruceFromOhio: Ugh, Juggalos from hell.
Immanentize
@Baud: Great idea. Now that woman would make a great SG. Even as young as she is, relatively. I suspect Katyal will get (offered) that position, though.
BruceFromOhio
@zhena gogolia: It’s cool. Still laughing, tho. Also scheming ways to work it into a completely innocent conversation to see who twitches.
Gin & Tonic
@zhena gogolia: Not from Taunton, either.
lamh36
@Omnes Omnibus: HA!!!
Kay
@cain:
I think they don’t see the connections. They think these things are discrete events – Tea Party, Birtherism, Trumpism, QAnon but they’re not because the GOP base – their voters- have backed all of it and the base are one group of people who have traveled along this road with each bizarre twist. The candidates come and go- the base is the constant. The vast majority of Republicans are now Romney – to- Trump voters. That already happened.
NotMax
@Gin & Tonic
“Phew. I thought Taunton smelled bad from the outside….”
:)
Kropacetic
Win the election.
lamh36
From Congresswoman BARBARA Lee (got the name right this time…LOL)
Kay
I’m pleased because the Trump Administration get all their good ideas from Tucker Carlson.
Miss Bianca
@rikyrah: I am so psyched about this! I kept saying, “I trust Joe to make the right choice, so I don’t care who his VP pick is (but pleasepleasepleasebabyPLEASE let it be Kamala Harris!).”
The amount of relief I feel makes me realize just how invested I really was in a Biden/Harris ticket.
Kropacetic
It’s all rebranding, each iteration with “NEW! MORE PERNICIOUS LIES THAN BEFORE!” The base knows the real problem with the Republican party, these squishes in office just aren’t denying reality forcefully enough.
Calouste
@Kay: Sharia law written in Chinese, if I’ve followed today’s news.
randy khan
@PaulWartenberg:
Actual progressives are perfectly happy about her. It’s only extremely online performative progressives who are unhappy.
Kropacetic
Nice subtle call out there.
Kent
And those folks aren’t actual progressives anyway. They are nihilists and anarchists who would rather tear things down then build them up. Progressives, by definition, believe in progress. Those folks don’t.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Omnes Omnibus:
I don’t think you’ve got it right. Here is the actual tweet where Shapiro ran off the rails (with video) and for which he got dragged up and down the Internet.
Kropacetic
They do, though, at least the ones I know. And they will vote for other Ds on the ballot even if they don’t approve of the ones at the top.
Miss Bianca
@lamh36: I am watching the last season of “The Good Place” right now and just gonna LMAO when I see Maya Rudolph as The Judge!
sdhays
@Nelle: Tell her goal should be to be the youngest!
Kay
@Kropacetic:
This is their political party:
It’s already too late.
Kropacetic
It’s still something to celebrate and an auspicious sign if not necessarily a guarantee.
Alison Rose
@Ken: If nothing else, the Briscoe-and-Green episodes will at least make her happier. Because anyone with a pulse knows that those were the best seasons of the show, and some of the best TV period, because they were the best detective pairing and I will fight a motherfucker who tries to argue with me on that.
Mary G
@Yutsano: She breaks all kinds of records! Her husband is charming, too, and not passive aggressive like the Big Dog.
Steeplejack
@Shana:
Send her this.
Elizabelle
@Alison Rose: Briscoe and Green. After my heart. The best.
Miss Bianca
@NotMax:
I’m with you on this one. Besides, who in their right mind in the GOP would take on that VP position now?
Wait…right mind…Republican…ok, I’ll come in again.
Sebastian
Somebody probably already said that but traditionally the VP candidate is the attack dog so the candidate can stay “clean”.
I loooove that combo. Joe as the uniter, Kamala to bring on THE FIRE!!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
good god
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: Guess he is still Virgin Ben.
J R in WV
@HumboldtBlue:
Isn’t Joe a life long Catholic?
Personally opposed to abortion rights, but because of almost universal support for abortion rights among Democratic membership, a solid political supporter of abortion rights?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
About two weeks ago, Traister was sneering that Biden’s vow to name a woman as his running mate was patronizing. I think the phrase she sarcastically used was ‘throwing women a bone’ (I’m assuming this is about Harris, she gives no context)
Kropacetic
If not, who was the Catholic on the Obama/Biden ticket according to this bishop?
?BillinGlendaleCA
Sen. Harris was my first choice in the primaries until she ended her campaign, I ended up voting for Biden in the CA primary back in March(oh that seems so long ago). I thought she’d be the best choice as a running mate for Joe, and I’m happy he made the choice. Biden/Harris 2020!
Danielx
@Suzanne:
Wait, wait, wait…this would be the Formerly Virgin Ben? Say what?
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack (phone): I am willing to stand by my interpretation as representative of Ben’s actual views. But someone should introduce him to Peaches “Fuck the Pain Away.”
Kropacetic
It was a perfectly sensible vow for Biden to make. There are so many brilliant, capable women in the Democratic party, veritable binders full. Besides, for all the misogyny permeating the primary’s election coverage and ::checks notes:: all of human history, it was the least he could do.
HumboldtBlue
@J R in WV:
He is, as is Pelosi and both are personally opposed to abortion rights but recognize the agency of women to make their own healthcare choices.
Also, I still don’t trust the Lincoln Project folks but as long as they keep this up through January I’m good,
Ian
@Patricia Kayden:
Tom Cotton or Cory Gardner, if we can’t knock their weasily smarmy butts out of their seats before they get the chance.
jonas
Word. Bernie bros/Rose Twitter can get bent.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@HumboldtBlue:
…. Biden was the “Catholic on the ticket” in 08 an 12…?
jonas
@Ian: Gardner? I don’t think so. Cotton, Cruz, and Hawley are all vying to be Trump’s heir. Of course, they’ll have to fight Don, Jr., and Javanka for the title. Stock up on popcorn.
Steeplejack
@Kent:
Oregon started as a racist state. Wikipedia:
jonas
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I recall Biden once: “The next time I hear someone say I’m not religious, I’m gonna cram my rosary down their throat!”
Mike in DC
@jonas: And Tucker Carlson and maybe someone else from the wingnutosphere.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
These are indeed the same voters, which is why the road they’ve taken isn’t as steep as it looks. The Republican base has believed for decades that Democrats are inherently evil and plotting insane shit like outlawing Christianity. They have discussed civil wars and brown hordes and it was pretty mainstream in the 90s for Republicans to believe the Clintons were murderers in the center of an organized crime conspiracy. They have called for arrests or deaths of any number of liberal public figures. Rush’s harangues are hardly less extreme. It has gotten worse, mainly by becoming more mainstream and demanding elected officials truly represent their crazy, but Q is only the latest stage in a process. But I mean, remember Glen Beck and his cork boards straight out of a paranoid schizophrenic TV stereotype?
Kropacetic
What? No mass trial?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@jonas: I don’t think we’ve heard the last of Chris Christie, either.
@jonas: is that true? I’m as lapsed as you can get, but that’s my kind of Catholic
Kay
It’s a happy and positive thing in a country that needs a happy and positive thing and the contrast with the sour, mean spirited, ungenerous Trump people will be great. Also :)
Mike in NC
My eyes were watering tonight. I spent 30 years in the Navy. My dad fought in WW2, as did my wife’s. Glad they didn’t live to see a would-be fascist dictator sitting in the White House.
Kropacetic
Saw Hawley on Faux news within the last couple weeks. Hasn’t given up on his tactic of lying, claiming to support popular policies pushed by Democrats that he works against.
Frankensteinbeck
@HumboldtBlue:
They are opposed to abortions. They support the right to abortions. It’s a ‘not my place to push my beliefs on you’ thing. My mother is like that on a lot of sex-related stuff.
Danielx
@Suzanne:
I can’t say I’m surprised. Ben Shapiro seems like exactly the kind of guy who would be all “ewww, anything but straight missionary is all dirty and nasty!”
Yes, Ben, but only if it’s done right. We are sorry, so very sorry…
Kropacetic
One of my favorite Spanish teachers once told her class that lapsed Catholics are the best Catholics.
Kay
@Kropacetic:
There are tribunals. They envision a sort of court system.
There’s lots of video of them shrieking at town hall meetings and such. They start out relatively calm but they always, always end with screaming that they’re going to arrest the whole room. That’s the tell- when they lose their shit and start screaming about arrests.
Mai naem mobile
@Roger Moore: i like the sound of Senator Ted Lieu. I think Ted Lieu’s talents are made for the Senate. I wouldn’t mind Katie Porter but i see Katie Porter becoming a major power player in the House in a few years. Like Nancy Pelosi major power.
Kropacetic
What is it with Republicans always trying to be the only voices heard? Maybe they’d have an easier time getting people to listen if they engaged reality.
Kay
Well, “her” and the 80 other ones.
Aleta
@Kent: Since they reject Biden they weren’t going to approve of anyone he picked. Or anything he does. I’ve also come to doubt they’d accept any woman for VP or Pres. Harris adopted Sanders M4all plan (and more iirc), but suddenly that doesn’t count for anything.
Kropacetic
Isn’t Porter from a knife’s edge district in California? Might be good to keep it in the hands of someone with the proven ability to win it.
@Aleta: Harris adopted Sanders M4all plan (and more iirc), but suddenly that doesn’t count for anything.
She improved on it. Big “no, no.” Who does she think she is?
Jill Stein doesn’t count?
Republicans don’t answer for shit. That’s kind of their thing.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Maybe not the best intro to Terhune’s humor. Try this one.
Kay
@Kropacetic:
I think it’s good though because you can recognize the adherents. They don’t all reveal Q. They’re up there screaming about masks or whatever. The threatened arrests are the tell.
Jinchi
Trump will be a non-person in 2024 if he loses this election. No Republican will claim to be his heir, because none of them will admit he ever existed. Reagan will always remain the last Republican president.
jonas
@Kropacetic: Batshit insane doesn’t begin to describe Hawley. He’s a straight-up fascist wannabe. Like Cotton and Cruz, he’s not a brain-damaged idiot like Trump. This is the problem. Trump failed because Trump is a brain-damaged idiot. Those who come after him won’t be. Bill Barr is just a hint of what’s to come…
Lyrebird
@Adam L Silverman: I think you ought to get to say that a lot, non?
But here you get to say it out loud!
re: Biden/Harris ticket,
HOORAY I just sent in a small donation. Small because things are tight right now, not that I should complain with so many going through worse, but I want them to have as big a haul in this 24 hour period as possible! SHAZAM!
Aleta
@Kropacetic: “Jill Stein doesn’t count?” Good point. How easily I forgot. And someone else I forgot too.
Kropacetic
I’d like to advance another possibility. Trump succeeded (in getting elected) because he’s a brain-damaged idiot. It’s not like the mainstream Republicans he beat were pushing better policies. They’re basically the same, but they don’t feed RWNJ id the way Trump does.
Their next fascist nominee, I believe, will be every bit as stupid as Trump.
jonas
@Jinchi: I’m afraid that’s not going to be the case. Far from distancing themselves from Trump, Republicans will retrench into the “Lost Cause” party and attempt — for decades is my guess — to reclaim the “glory” that was 2016-20. They will garner 30-40% of the vote FOREVER. Given the composition of the Senate and Electoral College, this will be a big problem for at least another generation or two.
Kropacetic
@Aleta: Tulsi Gabbard.
HumboldtBlue
@Frankensteinbeck:
Thanks for the clarification. I knew I was off. Too many tabs open.
HumboldtBlue
@Steeplejack:
And thank you, this lastest was pretty weak and Brent’s got better stuff out there.
Aleta
@Kropacetic: yeah
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m a political junkie and two of those names are brand new to me (Chariton and Kulinski). Michael Tracey… isn’t he the guy who said Maxine Waters physically assaulted him when he got in her way and she stepped around him, placing her hand on his arm cause she’s eighty fucking years old and he got in her way? I can never remember if he’s alt-right or alt-left. Bragman is the Socialist Son of Southhampton?
Baud
MisterForkbeard
@Aleta: She also decided later to make her own plan blending the ACA and M4A. which means she knifed Bernie in the back, or so I understand.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I know better than to expect consistency, but the GOP’s theme had been that Biden was in the clutches of liberals.
rikyrah
This article is old, but still applies
https://twitter.com/TeeToeJackson/status/1293299055519387648
Raoul
I’m in. Harris was my first choice in the early primary season. I pretty happily switched to Warren. After that I was OK with the Biden nom. I think he’s handled a very complicated election season well. I am very happy with this ticket, for this moment, and think Warren should kick a ton of ass in the 2021-22 US Senate!
Lyrebird
@Immanentize:
Do you know anything about the Fair and Just Prosecution folks?
I’m not in your field, I just follow interesting links from Popehat sometimes. Many of my students double major in crim justice so I like to have good links to pass on.
Kropacetic
Man, Biden switched to a full-blown anarcho-communist and the left still isn’t satisfied…
What do you teach?
rikyrah
Martin
@Kropacetic: We’re less knives edge than we were. Clinton won this district. If someone would have suggested Clinton winning here a decade ago, they’d 5150 you.
It’s certainly not a safe seat, but a good Dem can win here now.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
the voice of African-American voters has weighed in
You have to watch the video. I’m not a student of Laura Ingrham’s different sneers, but I do wonder if that one could be, “Oh shit, I should’ve told my producer to call Paris Dennard while he was reading through the D-list”
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
@schrodingers_cat:
Are you talking about Indian/Americans in India who can vote here? Or Indian people who have opinions about American presidential politics? Which they are 100% entitled to have, just as I can have opinions about politics in other countries – just looking for clarification and insight because I don’t have the window into that that you have.
Er, well, then fuck’em. Whoever they are. Better yet, educat’em so they know better, but I definitely don’t have the patience for that.
Kropacetic
@Martin: What u mean 5150?
MCA1
@Kropacetic: I’ve heard that description from plenty of people, though I suspect they’re coming at him from a different place than you are. For what it’s worth, it has for the most part been from folks who will definitely vote for him and despise Trump. It’s just that they’re unenthusiastic about it. They’re still either subscribers to both siderism and suckers for false equivalence, or they apparently think that anyone short of Barack Obama style five tool All-Stars is uninspiring (because they think politics is either entertainment or religion, perhaps). So they bemoan a two party system that keeps making them choose between what they see as the lesser of two evils.
Regardless, I don’t make that argument as a reason one should actually vote for Biden. Just that I was more excited about his winning the nomination than I might otherwise be for a centrist, 4th or 5th time candidate in his late 70’s, because of the unique circumstances surrounding both his predecessor and possible successor.
rikyrah
Kropacetic
I will enthusiastically sign onto this. I think it was the crush of endorsements he got on Super Tuesday and sheer percentage of the vote. I was like ::flatly:: “Alright, fine, the team has spoken. Go team, I guess.” I also didn’t immediately decamp to the woods. So there’s that.
Kropacetic
@Kropacetic: To add:
I was actually way more disappointed about Bernie’s durable high standing in the race, despite the fact I voted for him 4 years ago and think Hillary is heads and shoulders above Joe, thinking there were several people with more proven records of results than Bernie running on often better versions of the same policies.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kropacetic: 5150 is the police code for crazy.
IANAL, but I think it’s from the code section for involuntary commitment.
ETA: Or a Van Halen album.
Lyrebird
@Kropacetic: I teach in a social science department. Current school has quite a few folks interested in criminal justice. Do you also teach?
Kropacetic
@Lyrebird: No, but I’ve been a student damn near forever.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Good to know, let’s see if I remember that (don’t worry, I’ll take the initiative).
gwangung
@Kropacetic: It always struck me that Sanders is as much of a dinosaur as the other older candidates.
It’s just that he started out further left than others. He started out right with his stands in the 1960s and 1970s, but they just haven’t evolved with the times, particularly in areas like race and gender. As someone involved in racial politics since the 70s, the thinking has developed, evolved and changed…Sanders has changed much more slowly, and has inched his thinking along, but needs application of clue by fours to keep his message on the beam.
That’s fine for a ceremonial patriarch, but not for a dynamic leader of a party.
elm
Yeah, had to quit some interactions today over folks so Leftist they can’t choose between Naziism and the second most liberal US Senator.
They’re just so precious they couldn’t bear to do something useful.
rikyrah
@Alison Rose: l
?????
Hoppie
@lamh36: First vote for president I ever made, democratic primary in Maryland 1972. Quixotic, would be the adjective.
Ruckus
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
5150 is a CA law. It concerns holds placed upon people as a result of a mental health disorder, is a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled. The part in italics is from the code itself. I thought I recognized it, when I was a mental health counselor we had to know this in case it was needed. I related on BJ not that long ago about a situation I was in with a client at the mental health clinic and 5150 would be the code for which that person would have been held if necessary. The police do use this code because they run across a number of people to whom it applies. Seems like they use it less often these days than they did over 40 yrs ago.
sgrAstar
@Burnspbesq: Katie Porter will be President some day…after she wins and holds DiFi’s seat for a few years. In the meantime, it’s hard to imagine anyone but Xavier Becerra filling KH’s seat, imo. He’d be our first latinx Senator- about time. He’s young and very smart.
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