This is an actual survey. I laughed. Real people actually fall for this and supply their contact information to the Trump campaign. Unbelievable!
Even this random dog from the idiot things they’re dumb.
******
- Who would you rather see fix our Nation’s shattered immigration policies?
- President Trump
- A MS-13 Loving Democrat
- Who do you trust more to protect America from foreign and domestic threats?
- President Trump
- A Corrupt Democrat
- Who would you rather handle our Nation’s economy?
- President Trump
- A Radical Socialist Democrat
- Who do you believe is more transparent with the American People?
- President Trump
- A Lying Democrat
- Who do you trust to NOT raise your taxes?
- President Trump
- A High Tax Democrat
- Who do you believe will ALWAYS put America FIRST?
- President Trump
- A Sleazy Democrat
- Who do you believe will keep their promises?
- President Trump
- A Lyin’ Democrat
- Who do you believe will fight for you every day?
- President Trump
- A Low Energy Democrat
- Who do you believe is better for America?
- President Trump
- A Low IQ Democrat
- Who will you vote for in 2020?
- President Trump
- A Radical Socialist Democrat
If you feel like it, you can nominate your choice – in the Trump Administration – for each of these three categories:
Most Dangerous
Most Compromised
Most Evil
You only get to pick one for each category, and you are not allowed to pick Trump.
Otherwise, open thread.
hells littlest angel
What, no “Who do you believe, President Trump or your lying eyes?”
Martin
Telling that for a survey with that kind of leading, they knew better than to put Trump up against Hitler. Guessing too many visitors would have really paused on that one.
WaterGirl
I added a question at the top.
mrmoshpotato
What a Putin’s-ass-sucking cult.
Jinchi
The strange thing is, I’d still pick the MS-13 loving, corrupt, high tax, sleazy, lying, low energy, low IQ, radical socialist Democrat over the Putin-loving, corrupt, robber baron, sleazy, lying, low energy, extremely low IQ, facist Republican we have in Trump.
kindness
Where is that survey? I’d take it and give the lying, sleazy, cheating, liberty hating Democrats the nod with every one of those questions.
WaterGirl
@mrmoshpotato: I wonder how much money some advertising consultant got for putting that survey together.
WaterGirl
@kindness: I didn’t really want to give them any clicks, but I can supply the link if you want it.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll
Wag
Finally, a poll that Trump can believe!
kindness
@Jinchi:
You beat me. Good job.
Baud
I feel like it’s long past time someone lectured Democrats on civility.
Baud
The really funny thing is that the Trump people know who Trump’s opponent is going to be, but they are too scared to use his name.
Geoboy
Well, I know I’m convinced!
OzarkHillbilly
Most Dangerous: Barr
Most Compromised: Barr
Most Evil: Barr
You didn’t say I couldn’t pick the same one.
Jinchi
@WaterGirl:
It’s hard to pick just one, but here goes.
kindness
I don’t think it saved my responses. I refused to donate anything. Such is life.
On the other hand I did find they were so hard up for cash they would accept a donation of $0.51. That’s pretty damn hard up for cash.
mrmoshpotato
@WaterGirl: Probably a lot. And it’s something you could compile from the Trump trash town drunk; it’s that lazy.
WaterGirl
@Baud: I know! For a minute there, on #3 and #10, I thought maybe Bernie was running again.
Mary G
Parscale sees that sweet grift going away, so he kisses up by using Twitler’s favorite insults.
Also, my banner ad for this thread wants me to buy peanut butter whisky. Ick.
mrmoshpotato
@OzarkHillbilly: Hahaha
debbie
OMG, so neutral!
WaterGirl
@Mary G: At least it’s not bacon. Love bacon, but bacon flavored stuff, or bacon in toffee, ugh.
mrmoshpotato
@Mary G: Peanut butter whiskey, hmmmmm.
mrmoshpotato
@WaterGirl: The soshellisums!
debbie
@WaterGirl:
I’ll be watching for the news report about Trump polling XX points over a generic Democrat. //
Another Scott
OpenThread…
No gains are ever safe.
We have to vote the monsters out. All of them.
Cheers,
Scott.
Brachiator
Actually, an interesting survey. Trump is going to try to sell himself using the old standards: immigration, the economy (jobs), taxes and national security. The choices use last year’s labels, so don’t give much idea of the new smears he will use against Biden and other Democrats.
Trust, belief, promise keeping, transparency. Trump’s base will believe anything Trump tells them. But Biden should be able to totally demolish Trump here. And also push back big time on the media. “Report on Trump’s lies. Report on Trump’s failures. Report on Trump’s lack of leadership.”
Trump’s greatest weakness is that he believes his own lies. He got away with this when he had no track record. It’s time to hold him accountable for his dreary lack of achievement.
Eric U.
@kindness: they probably sell your info to scammers, so it will cost more than 51 cents.
NotMax
Gotta admire the restraint exercised in not having the first choice in each case in ALL CAPS AND BOLD.
//
dnfree
@kindness: they don’t even care about the cash as much as they want your contact information.
davecb
We get the same kind of “push poll” on Facebook from the Conservatives in Ontario. From memory:
Who do you want to rule Ontario for the next 4 years?
1) Doug Ford
2) Corrupt Liberal Steven Del Duca
?BillinGlendaleCA
@WaterGirl: I doubt anyone was paid for that, Trump wrote it himself.
different-church-lady
Gonna be a shocker to them when Trump loses in all categories.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: That can’t possibly be legal. Right?
MisterForkbeard
@Jinchi: Right. A “MS-13” member is still more likely to protect America than Trump is.
Roger Moore
11) Who do you trust to protect you from COVID-19?
WaterGirl
@dnfree: I thought that’s what fake names and made up email addresses were for?
Another Scott
Duck walks into pub, downs pint, fights dog. (From November 2017).
(via nycsouthpaw)
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@MisterForkbeard: They’re going pretty “yesterday” with MS-13, I had to think about that for a few seconds.
Where are the caravans coming over the border? Who will protect us from that?
Sister Golden Bear
In today’s edition of stripping rights from women and LGBTQ people….
I’m dreading the pending SCOTUS ruling about whether trans and LGBQ people can be legally discriminated against.
sdhays
OT: Paging Tony Jay: Boris Johnson’s Team is Broken by the Virus and Losing Faith.
I just have to laugh at the last part. At least Americans can blame the Founding Fathers’ corrupt bargain in the Electoral College for our fucked up result in 2016. Britain got a taste of the BoJo’s flopping incompetence last October and decided to reward him with a huge majority. I mean, he went to negotiate with the EU and didn’t know anything about the basic issues – which had been discussed in public for quite some time. He basically said, “I don’t have the foggiest notion what the hell I’m doing, but I’m damn well going to ‘Get. It. Done.'”. And they CHOSE that. No surprises.
They don’t call him “Britain’s Trump” for nothing…
WaterGirl
@Sister Golden Bear: These fuckers never sleep.
sdhays
@WaterGirl: To me, it will always mean Mississippi’s apocryphal 13th Congressional District.
dnfree
We get frequent mailings from Trump “himself” or other groups raising money to support him. Years ago Republican mailings used to pay the return postage and I always answered the questions (even-handed wording like the above) and return them just to cost the campaign a little money.
We just got a large envelope containing another full 9”x 12” cardboard return envelope clearly marked SECURE”. Postage was paid, so naturally I filled it out and returned it. The accompanying letter mentioned ten times at least that the envelope was SECURE. I don’t know what it was secure from. It seemed rather desperate to me, or so I hope.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: Never trust a duck that slurps.
sdhays
@Sister Golden Bear: As someone said in a previous thread, we really need to lighten the load on the current Supreme Court and give them some help. Say, an extra 9 Justices to share the load?
Martin
@WaterGirl: Pretty sure it is. Congress was never able to get a bill past the GOP so this was all done via executive order.
Mind you, any business that goes along with this, well, I pity their PR department after that hits social media. But I’m guessing this allows red states to openly discriminate via government services, which a number will readily do.
Baud
@sdhays:
Maybe. But probably unlikely.
WaterGirl
@Martin: What about equal treatment under the law?
Chetan Murthy
A bleg (b/c OT): Does anybody know of good histories of the -aftermath- of the 1918 Pandemic? I know someone who is a bit despairing of what we’re going thru: thinking that life will change forever, and all sorts of good things will just be gone. And I tell this person that, no, the 20s were’t drab and boring: people crowded into cramped rooms to smoke, drink, and dance. Etc. But obvs. it’d be good to find real histories of the period that discussed both the pandemic -and- its aftermath.
Anybody got any ideas?
Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)
Most dangerous: Tough, but I guess I’d have to go with Barr.
Most compromised: Either his shitbag daughter or his shitbag son in law.
Most evil: I’m going to go with Stephen Miller.
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: Someone would have to sue. Of course. :-(
NPR.org:
tl;dr – People are policy. E.g. Roe v Wade guaranteed access to abortion without an undue burden. Sensible people know what that means, but the RWNJs twist it whenever they’re able. Similarly, here. We can’t allow RWNJs to have access to the levers of policy.
Of course. :-(
Cheers,
Scott.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@mrmoshpotato: Good thing I quit drinking.
dr. luba
@WaterGirl: I registered my votes! Hope there isn’t a real [email protected] in the 49913 zip code.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Brachiator:
Well, since they’re using the 2016 platform(word for word, including trashing the Oval Office occupant), yeah.
Baud
@Another Scott:
Lawsuits are being planned.
WaterGirl
@dr. luba: I thought the guy with that email address lived in the 66666 area code?
Mike in NC
@Mary G: Does that 6’8″ lunatic Parscale wear a lot of turtleneck sweaters? He just looks like a guy with a swastika tattoo on his neck. He found out that snowing Kushner opened a number of doors, and he’s been literally making out like a bandit even since.
sdhays
@Baud: There needs to be a response to what they did with Gorsuch. They wouldn’t even give Obama’s nominee a hearing. Part of the problem has been that Republicans think they can go to the max without repercussions because when they don’t win, Democrats won’t act in kind.
But, yeah, I know it’s still not likely. The last I heard, Schumer was talking about reinstating the 60 vote threshold for Supreme Court justices.
Martin
@WaterGirl: That only applies to race (to the extent it can be proven). No ERA, no universal equal treatment based on gender. No equal treatment based on sexual orientation other than some exceptions such as the same-sex marriage ruling.
You can be fired for being gay. For being trans. You can be denied services for those things. It’s a patchwork of laws that give you some protections but not others. State law may provide those protections so those of us in CA have those protections, but down in Dixie it’s a whole other story.
Another Scott
@Chetan Murthy: This seems like a decent summary.
https://www.history.com/news/pandemic-world-war-i-roaring-twenties
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
dr. luba
@WaterGirl: ZIP code 66666 is not currently assigned by the US Postal Service to any city. (I looked it up.)
A lot of these programs are set up to filter out fake zip codes, so I automatically default to the Keweenaw Peninsula, as I know it’s a real zip code that’s not mine.
FelonyGovt
@WaterGirl: Just like they’re reusing the 2016 Republican platform, they’re reusing the 2016 scare tactics.
WaterGirl
@Martin: They never sleep. It’s appalling.
NotMax
OT.
Knives Out, which IIRC quite a few here recommended when it was in theaters (remember theaters?), showed up as available on Prime today.
sdhays
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I find it fascinating that they can choose to just keep the existing 2016 platform, but changing it would require everyone going to Charlotte to vote on it. Come on. When the rules clearly don’t matter (to the point that they even cancelled primaries to avoid any intra-party challenges to dear leader), that’s the line they’re drawing??
Martin
@WaterGirl: Given that the 2020 GOP platform opposes gay marriage, this is at least on brand for them.
WaterGirl
Now that I think about it, Trump is:
Martin
@sdhays: Sure, because breaking the rule only affects Republicans. Law and order are super-important when the victim might be a Republican. When the victim is a Democrat, well, fuck it…
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
I saw it in a theatre in the Before Times, and would gladly see it again. Thanks for flagging this.
WaterGirl
@Martin: Decent people might think:
They think:
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Players think:
NotMax
@sdhays
“Platform? Old hat. We’re concentrated on constructing a big beautiful pedestal!”
//
hells littlest angel
@WaterGirl:
· Most Dangerous — William Barr
· Most Compromised — tough call, but … Steve Mnuchin
· Most Evil — Stephen Miller
FelonyGovt
@dr. luba: Great idea! I registered my votes under the email [email protected] in a neighboring (real) zip code.
prostratedragon
@Baud: Like saying “Candyman” three times.
Gin & Tonic
@NotMax: I actually went to a theater, in the Before Times, to see it. It’s worth ~2 hours of your time. The actors seem to have had fun, too.
Morzer
@Baud:
To be fair, both sides of Trump’s mouth do it.
hotshoe
When I opened this page, the tagline was WORD SALAD IN ALL CAPS
Which seems like a better comment on Dumpster’s life/work than anything I could come up with.
NotMax
@FelonyGovt
White House ZIP code is 20500.
Just sayin’.
;)
Calouste
@sdhays: I get the impression that Johnson is losing it mentally. His recent statements are moving in tone from British-hard-right-but-still-pretend-to-be-somewhat-respectable to full-out-fascist
Not saying that there’s any difference in what he thinks, but as a former journalist he used to be better at hiding it.
Luciamia
I’m sorry. I still don’t buy that this was a non-parody actual-for-reals administered poll!
Quaker in a Basement
@WaterGirl: Regardless of the category, the correct answer is Bouncing Billy Barr
ET
They needed to control the results 100% with no possibility of even 99% so they had to make the non tRump answer cray…… If they had put a normal option up who know what would have happened.
debbie
@FelonyGovt:
You had to love their condemnation of the “current Administration.”
Gravenstone
@WaterGirl: Added my two cents to the stupidity there. Compliments of Fug Yerselph at a suitably profane email address. I did give them a legit zip code, for Mar-a-Lago.
catclub
@mrmoshpotato: peanut butter, with either ham or bacon … I like.
debbie
@Another Scott:
Not just the Trump administration. We need to castrate the Evangelicals who have twisted religious freedom into religious persecution and oppression.
Kay
You guys don’t understand it because you don’t read Trump Twitter.
Sometimes one or two will get sad because Hillary hasn’t been arrested yet – they have doubts- but then the mob tells them to shut up and they apologize.
scav
Just thought of some merch to go with their “Babies Lives Matter. onesie. A MAMA teeshirt, classic red and white. “Make America Mean Again.”
Actually, best model for the onesie they have is the fat orange baby hiding in the White Coop. “White Lies Matter”
Martin
@WaterGirl: So, let’s be really clear what’s going on here.
Trumps polling is shit. That’s all he cares about because we wants to be a 2 term president like Obama was. Trump blames liberals for everything going wrong, so he can’t tack to the center and stake out more moderate positions to help with the polls. Plus, he’s firing anyone that might even hint toward a viable electoral strategy in favor of more hardline or more incompetent voices.
So he’s running the primary playbook in the general, tacking to the right and throwing read meat to his supporters. We’re going to get 6 months of attacks on gun control, LGBTQ and other civil rights, voting rights, immigration, religious freedom. This is an energize the base and suppress Dem voters strategy.
I think this is going to be bad.
Roger Moore
@dr. luba:
Always use @example.com when making up a fake email address. It’s guaranteed not to exist.
Dorothy A. Winsor
The thing I never can fathom about their anti-LGBTQ efforts is what’s it to them? Nobody is going to make them get gay married. Live and let live
trollhattan
Cake, or death!
Gravenstone
@Kay: The saddest/scariest part is that these cretins are free to roam about in public. If ever there was a case for involuntary committal, it’s QAnon followers.
WaterGirl
@Martin: I agree that it’s going to be bad, but I don’t think for a minute that his actions are going to suppress Democratic and Independent voters.
If we’re lucky, it will depress R voters.
Baud
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Status.
Kay
For a long time they would say everyone they don’t like was going to be arrested, but obviously it’s been almost 4 years and none of them got arrested, so they now say that Trump HAS arrested certain people (Hillary, Obama, Fauci) but the person is just “arrested”- like a continuing status.
Roger Moore
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I honestly think it’s all part of their zero sum worldview. There’s only so much freedom to go around, so sharing it with Those People means there’s less of it for me.
Jinchi
Interesting that Trump’s base thinks this is the way things are supposed to work.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
Only fair. They certainly depress me.
;)
Kay
@Gravenstone:
I think of all Trump’s supporters as like “on a Q spectrum”. From tiny bit Q to full Q. It’s true too- there’s a lot of overlap. For example, Q is not far from Fox on Antifa.
WaterGirl
@NotMax:
So say we all.
Martin
@WaterGirl: I don’t think Dems are going to take the efforts to suppress voting quietly. If half the country feels that Trump is going burn everything down before November, I suspect we will not sit patiently by and watch it happen. I think McConnell has already tested our patience enough on that front.
J R in WV
@dnfree:
If you fill the envelope with something heavy, like lead shot, you can cost the postage paid folks several dollars, as opposed to a few cents. We used to use hot-metal cast lines of type, which was mostly lead, back in the day. Once you get past the normal postage for paperwork it goes up pretty fast!
Just Chuck
@dr. luba: Dammit, I put 66666 in there. Gee if only there were a way to anonymize my IP and submit as many times as I want?
But they aren’t worth my fucking time to hack.
Tony Jay
@sdhays:
I’d say that it makes me laugh, but it really just makes me sick to my stomach. This shower of cockchained gimps have, had and could not conceive of having the slightest interest in any ‘brighter post-Brexit future’ for Britain. It’s a leveraged buy-out in which they play the role of the shiny suited current management with big dollar signs in their eyes and the British public are the deunionised employees slowly coming to realise (too little, too late) that all the promises of investment and retraining are bullshit and their pension funds are already being transfigured into yachts, fast cars and big bowls of absolutely cracking cocaine for people who don’t even consider them the same species.
Johnson and Co are perfectly happy to ratfuck their Governmental responsibilities where the C-19 pandemic is concerned. It’s pretty obvious that they’re going to blame the economic catastrophe of their No-Deal Brexit on the half-arsed and now crumbling Lockdown, and the British Media is absolutely going to let them get away with it, so why shouldn’t they exploit the virus for a bit of eugenic cleansing? Plus it’s cover for further privatisation of NHS services in advance of next year’s mass sell-off.
And yes, 43% of the electorate voted for them, and if current polling is to be believed the same percentage still think Chubby of Chequers is doing a bang-up job of whatever it is Prime Ministers are supposed to do. We’re entirely fucked, and no one is going to save us.
These fucking people.
Captain C
My survey answers:
Questions 1-10: Whichever answer is not Trump, as obviously the worst Democrat would be leagues better.
Most Dangerous — Bill “Iran-Contra Pardons” Barr
Most Compromised — Since we can’t choose Trump, Lindsey Graham
Most Evil — Tossup between Stephen Miller, Javanka, and Barr
Cameron
@Mary G: A little bit of it might be interesting in a chocolate cake.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@Martin:
So not good, then?
Kidding aside, in what ways do you think this will be worse than if Trump ran using a new or different strategy?
Running a “turn out my dwindling base of hardcore supporters” play seems unlikely to be a good strategy for a sitting President to get re-elected, honestly…
RSA
How do they think “MS-13” is pronounced, I wonder? “Mizz-13”?
Brachiator
@NotMax:
Definitely worth a look if you have not seen it. A nice bit of distraction.
This may be the last movie I saw in theaters before lockdown.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Tried to find an email address for the Trump campaign, Mitch McConnell, Fox News, and the RNC. No success, just contact forms at best.
So my survey was filled out by Cthulhu, using the White House zip code.
Alas, I wasn’t offered the “Most Dangerous, etc.” write ins. Maybe I missed it.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Brachiator: Definitely one of those movies that the actors look like they’re having fun doing, particular Daniel Craig.
Not being a southerner, I can’t judge the accuracy of his southern accent. But it was fun to hear him trying it anyway.
Chris Evans was a lot of fun too as a spoiled rich kid.
The Moar You Know
Mike in NC
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I read a while back they wanted to let Daniel Craig reprise his role as the southern detective in another film.
Soprano2
A long time ago I had a Republican rep., Gene Taylor, who would send out surveys like that. “Do you a) want to increase the budget of our military or b) let the commies take over the U.S.?” Sometimes I would send them back with the “wrong” answers just for grins.
TriassicSands
Damn and here I am an MS-13 Loving, Corrupt, Lying,, Sleazy, Low Energy, Low IQ, High Tax, Radical Socialist Democrat. What’s not to love?
I’m going to have to get new business cards.
TriassicSands
LongHairedWeirdo
@WaterGirl: There are five Supreme Court justices who’ve apparently promised their unswerving loyalty to whatever Republican idiocy they’re asked to endorse. (Not publicly, of course – that would make the corruption a little bit much, even today.)
See, there are two places where a person can say something mindbogglingly stupid, and have it accepted:
1) in judicial opinions (doesn’t matter if they’re majority or minority opinions), and
2) in regulatory reports
See, in both cases, there’s a baseline assumption of good faith; judges, and regulators, are assumed to be people who are using facts, the law, precedent, the Constitution, etc., to determine how to make decisions.
Republicans love that; it means their hacks can do anything, and HOW DARE YOU suggest they’re acting on corrupt motives, just because they, to every test that matters, are acting on corrupt motives.
Since most regulatory works are “inside politics” and since most people don’t know about, nor care much about, politics, taking over the regulatory apparatus and the judiciary lets them cause the harm they hope to cause without their fingerprints all over it.
And remember: even the Lincoln Project wasn’t kicking up a fuss about how corrupt it was for the Republicans in the Senate to swear to pursue impartial justice, and then ignore all of the evidence collected, and refuse to collect any additional evidence, before voting to acquit. Their oath says they’d have done the exact same thing if Hillary Clinton was the President, and had been impeached. Neither of us believe that, because neither of us are f’ing morons. But every Republican is still expecting us to buy that, or at least pretend to.
The entire Republican Party is therefore a collection of oathbreakers, and people who just don’t care if sworn statements are completely ignored, so long as the results are in line with their desires, *even when those desires are clearly corrupt*.
(Yes, that’s right, Mitt; your one vote means you’re a *GRANDSTANDING* oathbreaker. Yeah, you made a speech, BFD, you *still* said it was just fine and dandy for the President to claim privilege to cover criminality – and we *all* know that there is no privilege that allows one to participate in a criminal activity directly, right?
(A lawyer can keep your confession to a crime, that the lawyer did not participate in, privileged. But if the lawyer participates, privilege doesn’t apply. Alas, without a confession, no one will be able to prove the lawyer was involved, so the privilege will never be challenged – which is why consiglieres are lawyers.)
numfar
@WaterGirl:
Seymour Butz for the win
karen marie
@WaterGirl: I am happy to click the link so I can vote for the Dem every day of the week, using my “fuckyou at fuck you dot com” email address and the zip code for the WH.
karen marie
@kindness: If it didn’t mean providing them with a credit card number, I’d donate 51 cents simply to cost them money. Fundraising isn’t cheap when you’ve got grifters from top to bottom.
karen marie
@dnfree: You don’t fill the envelopes with trash before sending it back? Oh, come on!