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King is done

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This moves a stretch plausible Dem pickup off the table as generic Republican will steam roll above average Dem, but this is good news.

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  2. 2.

    Adam L Silverman

    I can’t believe you bigfooted my bigfooting of AL’s post on the RNC in Charlotte!

  3. 3.

    Yutsano

    So…how does your first bigfoot feel Mayhew?

    @Adam L Silverman: Heh. I was just about to pop down and giggle about that in your thread. WHERE THE FUCK IS COLE TO COMPLETE THE CYCLE???

  4. 4.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Yutsano: He needs to sleep with one eye open…

  5. 5.

    Jeffro

    Proper messaging from the DNC might help here: “We rejoice that the Republican party, for once, has rejected an outright white supremacist.  HowEVer…here are all of the things that King and Feenstra agree on” (laundry list of same policy positions scrolls through).  So maybe not all that different, just sneakier on Feenstra’s part.  Vote Dem this November!”

    Bonus messaging – snooze media, ask the question: “Senator Ernst, how do you feel about white supremacist Steve King losing his primary bid tonight?”

  6. 6.

    Ken

    Are you sure about the steamrolling? Especially since[*] the winner Feenstra campaigned on being a loyal and effective supporter of Trump.

    [*] As reported in the comments of the thread that was bigfooted by the thread that was bigfooted by the thread you just bigfooted – if I counted correctly.

  8. 8.

    frosty

    @Adam L Silverman: And I can’t believe we spend entire afternoons with one lonely post to comment on and then times like this they come through like rush hour traffic.

  9. 9.

    CaseyL

    Who says Bigfoot doesn’t exist? We have three of them right here!

    Good riddance to King. Maybe the Dems can hang Feenstra’s promise of love and support for OrangeFart around his neck. (How popular is Fart in Iowa?)

  10. 10.

    Adam L Silverman

    @frosty: I’m still not back to full stamina or I’d have had my post up earlier. I was able to go for the first walk with the dogs in several days just before I did the post. Given how horrible I felt most of last week and through the weekend, I’m taking it as a good sign and hope to be back to a couple of posts a week in short order.

  11. 11.

    Ken

    BTW, what is the over/under on whether King claims widespread vote fraud and contests the results?

  12. 12.

    Adam L Silverman

    @CaseyL: The Congressional delegation is trending Democratic. I think three of the four House seats are held by Democrats. King was the only Republican – largely because of the makeup of the district. While both senators are Republican, Senator Ernst who is up for reelection is not having as easy a campaign as she did when she was first elected six years ago.

  13. 13.

    Aleta

    @RyanFaircloth

    Minneapolis Public Schools votes unanimously to terminate its contract with the Minneapolis Police Department, in response to the death of #GeorgeFloyd.

    The district has long faced criticism over the use of SROs, and sought to transform the role into a mentor. In 2018-2019, a Minneapolis schools survey gave mostly positive marks to SROs, but data also showed school cops had more interactions with black students than their peers.

    Minneapolis Public Schools has contracted with the Minneapolis Police Department since 1967 (except for 2004-2009, when the district worked with park police), a district spokeswoman tells me.

    “I value people and education and life,” school board chairwoman Kim Ellison said in an interview. “Now I’m convinced, based on the actions of the Minneapolis Police Department, that we don’t have the same values.”

    Also meant to note: Minneapolis Public Schools was paying the police department $1.1 million per year for services. Students and school board members say that money could be better spent on mental health services.

  15. 15.

    Mary G

    @Adam L Silverman: Hope you can chime in on the issue of all the little green men popping up in DC

    ETA: Like these guys:

    Those are either private security contractors or members of an armed militia. They don’t have any identifiable insignia (unless Under Armour counts) and they’re not wearing any sort of standard-issue clothes, shoes, helmets, or vests, etc. https://t.co/rUNrvwbDI5— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) June 3, 2020

  18. 18.

    Ken

    Oh, in case Anderson was waiting for someone to do this:

    King is done

    Then stick a fork in him!

  19. 19.

    Miss Bianca

    @Ken:

    [*] As reported in the comments of the thread that was bigfooted by the thread that was bigfooted by the thread you just bigfooted – if I counted correctly.

    “The persons responsible for sacking the persons who were to have been sacked, have just been sacked.”

  20. 20.

    Adam L Silverman

    @frosty: As I indicated last night it is just my every six months sinus infection. I did have a COVID-19 test a few days before my doctor decided he needed to have me in to do a proper diagnosis of the suspected sinus infection and that came back negative. The county had started doing public testing, so I figured it made sense to get tested.

  21. 21.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mary G: They’re Border Patrol.

    Based on visible insignia and abbreviations on the shirt sleeves, they’re Bureau of Prison tactical response guys. DC has very specific firearm carry laws and private security contractors would not be able to open carry even handguns in DC. AR pattern rifles with extended magazines will get your arrested by the DC police.

  24. 24.

    Mary G

    In other hopeful news, with 25% of the vote counted in New Mexico's 3rd district, Valerie Plame is 11 points behind the progressive vote leader, Teresa Fernandez. If this holds, that's two people who shared white supremacist content for years who prob won't be going to Congress.— (((Yair Rosenberg))) (@Yair_Rosenberg) June 3, 2020

  28. 28.

    HumboldtBlue

    Bigfooting has never felt so good.

    And I’m not far from where good Bigfooting became really good.

  30. 30.

    BBA

    As a bonus, there’s a very good chance that Wilmer is mathematically eliminated tonight. (Theoretically it had been possible that if every single state had voted unanimously he could have had a miraculous comeback victory… oh, the tears of the DSA kids will be so sweet.)

  31. 31.

    Adam L Silverman

    @ema: That is their standard tactical kit minus the green button down shirts that say “POLICE” in yellow across the back. Given the weather, they’re probably wearing an alternate under armor polo that has some crest or insignia you can’t see because of the plate carriers. Those are the normal duty (tactical) pants they were. And my guess is they get a choice of footwear provided they are within the regs.

    That said, those folks would happily break anyone’s skulls the President told them too.

    ETA: Based on what insignia are visible, they’re Federal Bureau of Prisons tactical response guys.

  33. 33.

    Kent

    @Mary G: I guess I’m out of touch.  What is wrong with Valerie Plame?  Is she some sort of white supremacist?  Not that I don’t cheer the more progressive Hispanic and LOCAL candidate winning.  Just curious.

  34. 34.

    Kent

    @Sebastian: Something’s going on with Evangelicals. Check this out, Joel Osteen at BLM protest.

    Rats and sinking ships.

    That’s what is going on.

  35. 35.

    Mary G

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If this holds, I will not miss the soft-focus feature pieces about Plame's glamorous life, and how she was once played by Naomi Watts, that somehow manage to miss the bit where she tweeted that America's Jews are behind America's wars and that Israelis had foreknowledge of 9/11. https://t.co/Er96ZVskTl— (((Yair Rosenberg))) (@Yair_Rosenberg) June 3, 2020

  36. 36.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Marmot: The guy that won is a Republican state legislator from King’s district. He ran as more Trumpy than King. So unless the district makes a huge swing for some reason, having the state legislator on the ballot being opposed by the Democratic challenger rather than King makes it more likely that the Republicans will hold the seat.

  38. 38.

    Kent

    @Mary G: Bush had foreknowledge of 9-11.  Doesn’t surprise me that the Israeli’s might have too.

    But yeah.  Any tweet that contains the phrase “American Jews…” is probably not one that should ever be sent.

  39. 39.

    Mary G

    @Kent: From Wikipedia:

    Anti-Semitism controversy[edit]
    In September 2017, Plame tweeted a link to an article from The Unz Review website posted by Philip Giraldi, titled “America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars”, repeating the title of the article in her tweet.[75][76] The article said that certain “American Jews who lack any shred of integrity” should be given a special label when appearing on television: “kind-of-like a warning label on a bottle of rat poison.”[76] Amid criticism, Plame first defended her posts, replying on Twitter that “Many neocon hawks ARE Jewish.”[76][77] She also said that people should “read the entire article” without “biases”, writing in defense of herself after the initial backlash:[78] “read the entire article, just for a moment, to put aside your biases and think clearly.”[79] Within two hours she deleted her initial post and apologized, tweeting “OK folks, look, I messed up. I skimmed this piece, zeroed in on the neocon criticism, and shared it without seeing and considering the rest. I missed gross undercurrents to this article & didn’t do my homework on the platform this piece came from. Now that I see it, it’s obvious. Apologies all. There is so much there that’s problematic AF and I should have recognized it sooner. Thank you for pushing me to look again. I’m not perfect and make mistakes. This was a doozy. All I can do is admit them, try to be better, and read more thoroughly next time, Ugh.”[80] Ramesh Ponnuru and Caleb Ecarma have argued that the incident followed a pattern of her posting antisemitic content, and of Plame making jokes about “rich Jews”.[81][78] She had tweeted at least eight articles from the same website before,[82] in which she previously retweeted links to conspiracy theories of ‘dancing Israelis’ being behind the 9/11 attacks.[83]

  43. 43.

    rikyrah

    God I love Houston. An urban trail riding club, Nonstop Riders, has just rolled up to the downtown protest. Here’s Marcus Johnson of Houston’s Fifth award, fist raised in the air. “We’re here representing for all our black brothers and sisters.” pic.twitter.com/ybfKCo0jCV— Mike Hixenbaugh (@Mike_Hixenbaugh) June 2, 2020

  44. 44.

    Mary G

    @Adam L Silverman: If you’re still here, can you release the Wikipedia entry I posted? Too many links. She did delete the tweet and issued a very decent apology.

    I can’t find the piece from a while back in a woman’s magazine profile where I decided she had a few screws loose, but the Wiki explanation is pretty much what my impression was.

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mary G: I know Phil. My take on his remarks is he inartfully tried to say that Americans, who are Jewish, like Bill Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, the Ledeens, the Wurmsers, the Kagans, and several others who we’d call neo-Cons, and who have either done work for the Israelis or are extreme supporters of Israel had been actively pushing for the invasion of Iraq. And Giraldi is not wrong. The idea for the invasion – justification and assessment of how it would work out and what would happen as a result of it – originated in work that several of the individuals above were involved in, through Kristol’s Project for a New American Century which first promoted the idea in the US, were doing for Bibi Netanyahu and the Likud Party in the late 1990s. That has been extensively documented. I have a copy of the assessment they prepared for Bibi and the Likud in 1998.

  46. 46.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mary G: I just did and replied to it. Short answer: I know Phil and I agree with him and I’m Jewish and an American. Kristol, Wolfowitz, the Wurmsers, the Ledeens, the Kagans, etc, as well as their non-Jewish American fellow travelers such as Richard Perle, John Bolton, James Woolsey, and Robert Zoellick, should have been identified as having come up with the idea for invading Iraq, promoted in the US by Kristol’s Project for a New American Century, as a result of work they were paid to do to create the concept and justification for Bibi Netanyahu and the Likud Party in the late 1990s. Perle was one of the primary authors of that policy paper for Bibi. And it was then turned into the PNAC pitch to the Bush 43 Administration.

  50. 50.

    Mary G

    @Adam L Silverman: I agree those are all horrible people, Bill Kristol’s Never-Trumper views notwithstanding, and Yair does have a hair trigger, and I didn’t read Phil’s article, so I take your word that it wasn’t anti-Semitic.

    Like I said, I thought she made a decent apology. Doesn’t really matter, because the voters didn’t love her:

    4/5 of vote out, but Valerie Plame has fallen to third in the #NM03 primary despite outspending nearest competitor 2-1. A clue that she was not catching on: Got absolutely turfed at state convention, 5% of the vote.— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 3, 2020

    And Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby are scum who should’ve been drummed out of society for outing her because they were mad at her husband.

  53. 53.

    Mary G

    This is not good:

    WOW

    The Department of Defense moved multiple active duty Army units into the National Capitol Region as a prudent planning measure in response to ongoing support to civil authorities operations. https://t.co/9UknGMTGAX— Jason Leopold (@JasonLeopold) June 3, 2020

    Is he really trying to become Putin?

  58. 58.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mary G: I don’t think it was anti-Semitic, but I don’t always line up with everyone else on what is and is not. As you’ve seen me discuss here.

  59. 59.

    dmsilev

    @Yutsano: Look, at least he has an appreciation for proper Parliamentary procedure. ‘There is a motion to ‘suck my dick’. Is there a second?’.

  60. 60.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Pennsylvania Primary Results

    Biden…………..77%
    Bernie………….19%
    Tulsi……………….4%

    Bernie lost ALL 67 counties.

  61. 61.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mary G: The only place he can actually deploy the active military and not be stopped, though I’m sure Mayor Bowser has the lawsuit ready to go, is DC. Given the walking back that Esper and Milley attempted today, I am sure there is a team of Staff Judge Advocates locked into a conference room in the Pentagon right now working out Rules of Engagement that would keep everyone from being courtmartialed should Biden win the election!

    What we’re watching is a scared small minded man, with poor self control, try to flex muscles he doesn’t have.

  64. 64.

    Laura Too

    There is this:

    Steve Fletcher – Minneapolis Ward 3

    @MplsWard3

    9h

    I don’t know yet, though several of us on the council are working on finding out, what it would take to disband the MPD and start fresh with a community-oriented, non-violent public safety and outreach capacity.

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Laura Too: They’d have to be able to decertify the MPD’s union first. Camden, NJ was able to do this. They then disbanded the police department and started fresh. Any officer that wanted to join the new Camden PD had to reapply and their previous service was fully vetted.

  72. 72.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    OT:

    Did anybody else, at the end of January and into February, think you were watching the beginning of the end of human civilization? I remember reading online and watching the PRC shutting down the entire country as well as the chaos inside Wuhan and all I could wonder was, what the hell was this thing for the CCP shut down it’s economy. The reports of people collapsing in the streets in China and Wuhan authorities supposedly welding doors to apartment complexes shut didn’t help. And then the coronavirus began to spread to South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Iran, then Italy. It was fucking scary at the time. Still is, but not civilization ending

  74. 74.

    Kent

    What do we gotta do to convince Steve King to jump back into the General Election as an independent or Libertarian candidate?

    That would just be too perfect if he tried to pull a Lieberman, split the GOP vote, and let a Dem run the gauntlet.

  75. 75.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Nah. I thought it was going to be bad (and it was, and still is) but I just kinda shrugged and listened to Martin. Who was alarmed but not running around with his hair on fire.

  78. 78.

    Laura Too

    @Aleta: Not sure where my comment went, but yes. I’m hoping this is their last gasp. They teargassed a lot of peaceful protesters this last week in their temper tantrum over having 4 officers fired. POC have complained for years about their treatment and white people have been able to ignore it because it wasn’t happening to them. Well, now it is. And their kids.

  82. 82.

    Laura Too

    If any of the local MSP folks are around and you have Twitter source or any websites as to what’s up tonight. Lots of sirens, damn helicopters again and squealing tires. Some gunshots, not much in the way of flashbangs tonight. The first few nights Unicorn Riot was a comfort so I could see what was going on but I haven’t found many sources last night or tonight. Rather unnerving.

  84. 84.

    West of the Rockies

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Things are crazy-scary, for sure:  40 million unemployed, an impeachment, a whole town burning down (largely courtesy of climate change), a pandemic, civil unrest…

    But, no, this is not the end, not all she wrote.  The whole human comedy will continue.  Better times are ahead.  Just gotta get through this.  GOTV.

  85. 85.

    Adam L Silverman

    @rikyrah: My once every six months sinus infection. I explained it all last night in my first comment to my post on the Confederate flags.

  86. 86.

    Mary G

    @MisterForkbeard: They’re fighting amongst themselves on Twitter something fierce. Allegedly David Sirota stole a copy of the email list and is trying to start a paid newsletter, and like Twitler says, you don’t take the boss’s money. It says volumes that they haven’t been protesting, or come to think of it, they may have. I have blocked them all and only see screenshots other people post when they are especially ridiculous.

  87. 87.

    scav

    @West of the Rockies: Have to admit, I’ve never equated the political health of this particular nation with that of all of human civilization even on its good days.

    But the. again, that may just be the archaeology leaking through.

  88. 88.

    Mary G

    @Laura Too: Scary. Hope you are safe and that people are filming. Compton PD jumped a kid, took him behind a wall, looked around, and starting hitting and kicking. Unfortunately for them, another person they missed got the whole thing on film.

  91. 91.

    West of the Rockies

    @scav:

    Goku (whose presence and contributions I very much appreciate) is, I believe, among our younger commentators.  Hell, even at 58, I find myself seeking the counsel of folks older than myself who have seen more and have a broader perspective.  Perhaps to those a generation or two younger than us, these are stupefying times.  I wonder how this will impact my 18-year-old daughter.

  93. 93.

    Laura Too

    @Mary G: Yeah, we’re safe. I have night watch again at the front of the house, we have the back covered. Our neighbors are covering other parts of the block and we are all have each others #’s in case anything happens. I worry more for people with less resources. And they took a lot of the National Guard away. I worry that MPD and State Patrol don’t have as may witnesses to their bad behavior. I think most of the really bad folks who were here the first couple nights moved on. Get in, do the damage get out. Let the locals mop up,

  95. 95.

    Amir Khalid

    @Mary G:

    For what it’s worth, if someone mentions “American Jews” to me, my first thought is of Simon and Garfunkle.

  98. 98.

    Jay

    Protesters gathered Sunday evening in downtown Vancouver to speak up about racial injustice and the recent death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer.

    Additionally, Canadians have been protesting the recent death of Regis Korchinski-Paquet, a black Toronto woman whose mother says the 29-year-old woman was fatally pushed off a balcony by authorities.

    An estimated 3,500 people took part in the protest, held outside the Vancouver Art Gallery.

    Vancouver’s gathering was peaceful, with many attendees wearing face masks and at times attempting some degree of physical distancing. Reports indicate some masks were being made available to attendees who did not have one.

    The Vancouver chapter of Black Lives Matter said they did not organize the event, but they “stand in solidarity, with deep gratitude.” They identified Jacob Callender-Prasad as the organizer, who called for the protest on social media, saying:

    “We need a call to arms it’s time we stand up and unite and support our brothers and sister in the states we can’t sit by and watch more of our people continue to die to cops who don’t deserve to hold the badge and serve and protect the law cannot should not and must not pick and choose who they want to serve and protect.”

    https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/peaceful-protesters-vancouver-speak-out-against-racism-photos-2399715

    PDF shared by the SFU/Wosk Center for Dialogue

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/37737054

    Template for holding your employer responsible for racial justice.

  103. 103.

    Jay

    tonight in America: @nbcwashington is reporting that a DC police officer stopped by a polling site after 7 PM today to tell people waiting in a long line there they were in violation of the curfew by staying to vote— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) June 3, 2020

  104. 104.

    Ivan X

    It’s good news not because it means Dems might or might not pick up the seat but because the most visible and obvious symbol of evil in the House will no longer be in the House.

  108. 108.

    Mary G

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Honestly, when people talk about the 60s, I just remember being scared all the time. The music was great, but from the Cuban missile crisis, to practicing getting under our desks at school for when the Russians dropped the nuclear bomb on us, seeing black people assaulted with fire hoses and dogs, all the assassinations and hatred of nonwhites, people dying in Vietnam, it was bad, and this feels the same way, so I know what you mean.

  111. 111.

    Jay

    APD admits they met with armed fascist organizations that brought out-of-state militias into ABQ to disrupt a Black-led march. https://t.co/UBBy0wIW6q— Nick Estes (@nick_w_estes) June 3, 2020

    Given the number of “few bad apples” incidents caught on camera over the past few years, we really shouldn’t be talking about how “a few bad apples ruin the barrel”,

    We should be asking what the fuck is wrong with apples!!!!

  112. 112.

    Jay

    Tonight!— Ferguson elects Ella Jones, a Black woman, as mayor —Minneapolis school board votes to kick out police—White supremacist Steve King gets primaried into oblivion —Protests in all 50 states, DC & PRDirect action gets the goods, friends. https://t.co/maIxFJDP7z— Dr. Steven W. Thrasher (@thrasherxy) June 3, 2020

  114. 114.

    Jay

    Despite numerous comments by people asking to post my address or burn or destroy my house, the Daily Caller is encouraging this by repeatedly reposting this story that falsely claims I am defending looting and actual violence. https://t.co/7Omo7gVcp7— Ida Bae Wells (@nhannahjones) June 3, 2020

    Y’all might remember her from the 1619 Project, or the dual Pulitzers this year,….

    In the midst of the most violent days in Ferguson, the Daily Caller published my parents’ home address https://t.co/HTAkxMVQBt— Wesley (@WesleyLowery) June 3, 2020

  118. 118.

    Jay

    About the the risk of COVID from the protests. Please note that, to date, there are very few known cases of outdoor transmission at all, but crowding 100 people into an indoors space overnight? Yes, that's how you get a spike. Jails and detention, not protesting, is the big risk. https://t.co/jKDmwMHwkX— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) June 2, 2020

    King County Court shutdown yesterday and canceled ALL bail hearings. Protestors are stuck in jail. This is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. WA State court rules that jailed individuals will be released within 1 business day of their warrantless arrest in absence of specific findings by a judge.— DÆ (@daeshikjr) June 2, 2020

  121. 121.

    Jay

    A black man, David McAtee was murdered by LMPD & National Guard officers. He was shot and killed just after midnight. David owned a barbecue shop. He was known to feed police officers for FREE. HIS BODY IS STILL IN THE STREET!!! I am SO fucking outraged. RETWEET – know his name! pic.twitter.com/mzTTKFy2hw— Kenidra4Humanity ~ BLACK LIVES MATTER ~ (@KenidraRWoods_) June 1, 2020

  122. 122.

    Jay

    Stop allowing police to use protests as an opportunity to create copaganda.If they supported the cause, they’d stop killing us.They’d stop protecting the cops who kill us.They’d stop teargassing us for protesting. No cop is an ally of the cause unless they quit the force— Bree Newsome Bass (@BreeNewsome) June 2, 2020

  124. 124.

    NotMax

    @frosty

    Unless I go to the extra trouble of rinsing the excess salt off them I find Snyder’s close to inedible – all but the pretzel rods are overbaked and much too dry. As for sourdough pretzels, the less said the better. Can’t abide sourdough anything, wind up with more gas than Exxon.

    YMMV.

  125. 125.

    NotMax

    @NotMax

    Personal test is to break off a small piece of the pretzel. If it at first offers a hint of resistance and then snaps cleanly, with minimal or no shattering or crumbling then it has been baked just right.

  127. 127.

    PST

    @frosty: I would like to make a claim for my street as a snack food capital. Mondelez International, which sounds like something George Costanza made up, is moving it’s headquarters here. They make Oreo, Cadbury, Chips Ahoy!, Triscuit, Wheat Thins, etc. 

  128. 128.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Jay: “Sorry, that page does not exist.” Are you now misspelling links as well as common English words?

  131. 131.

    Chris Johnson

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Just so you know, this is a Russian talking point. I realize you found a way to say it and then half walk it back, but still.

    Fuck that shit. WE are civilization. What the rightwingers and Russians and dirty cops are doing is the attack on what real civilization is, and they are outnumbered and outpowered and are not going to win.

    Do not say ‘oh noes civilization is collapsing we lose’ at times like this. These are the times we make the most progress and nail down that progress so it’s not easily lost. It’s times of apparent softness where our civilization erodes, and that’s a challenge for a different generation if we do our part right.

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