This is a good ad about what shouldn’t be a controversial subject — the stars and bars. I’m regularly amazed and infuriated that New Yorkers will display this fucking thing, after we lost almost 50,000 soldiers in the Civil War, the most of any state in the Union. The last time I saw it around here was some old white fart on a mobility scooter who had two flags waving.
Here are a couple of good hits addressing Trump’s cowering in the White House (via SteveM):
I don’t like the #BunkerBitch hashtag, but I’m fine with #BunkerBaby or #BunkerBoy,
As Dick Nixon said about Barbara Bush — these guys know how to hate. Joe Walsh is a fucking moron, and Rick Wilson was responsible for the execrable campaign against Max Cleland. But they’ve come to have a goddamn fight, and they know who they’re fighting against. Come November, I don’t think I’ll have to suffer through an op-ed from them telling me why, actually, they’re going to vote for Trump since Biden’s VP pick once sat in on a seminar about Marx in college. In 2020, I have to respect that.
zhena gogolia
I’d add George Conway (Kellyanne’s husband) and Tom Nichols (I heard him speak once and it was all about Obama’s “fecklessness” in Syria) — I don’t trust either one of them, but I check their twitter feeds throughout the day. They are relentless
Oh, and Jennifer Rubin has been writing great pieces all through our ordeal, especially during and since the impeachment.
MiLilvies
Yes, the transition to a banana republic is here with the army (no longer ‘our’ army) out attacking the citizens who disagree with ANYTHING the Supreme Leader says. An occupying army treating us like they did the Iraqis and Afghans. Kicking in doors and shooting anything that moves.
MattF
I listened to a Joe Walsh podcast, and… he’s an angry man. He made the good point that it’s Trump’s voters that Republican officeholders fear, not Trump himself.
HumboldtBlue
I think it was Wilson who later Tweeted: “Archie Bunker, I really wish that had taken off” or something of that fashion with a side-by-side photo of Archie and Trump.
It’s perfect. Archie Bunker scared me as a kid.
different-church-lady
I doubt Trump reads any replies to his own feed — he’d see far too much pushback.
different-church-lady
@HumboldtBlue: Today’s Archie Bunker has firearms.
MattF
Since it’s on topic here, I’ll dupe the comment I made on George Fucking Will below:
ETA: EthylEster below has more details.
EthylEster
George Will has got a very focused diatribe in WaPo. Edit: I see MattF got in before me. He is less impressed. His “dig” at Hillary was pretty small IMO.
The person voters hired in 2016 to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” stood on July 28, 2017, in front of uniformed police and urged them “please don’t be too nice” when handling suspected offenders. His hope was fulfilled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Minneapolis pavement.
Speaking of the senate: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.
In 2016, the Republican Party gave its principal nomination to a vulgarian and then toiled to elect him. And to stock Congress with invertebrates whose unswerving abjectness has enabled his institutional vandalism
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Me too. When I traveled to campus a few years ago, I’d see it all the time in rural, Northeast Ohio, which was a Union state of course. If these same people were alive 150 years ago in NE Ohio and flew the Dixie Diaper, they would’ve had their house burned down at the very least
Kay
@zhena gogolia:
I like her better than the others. There’s something very real to me about her panic around Trump. It’s not cynical. She’s genuinely alarmed and she doesn’t feel she has to cover that in that kind of ultra-sophisticated political style. I know she’s still a Rightie but it makes me trust her more than the others.
HumboldtBlue
@EthylEster:
As well as Will can write a lot of times his writing, despite its insight or clarity, appears as gilded and outlandish as Trump’s golden toilet.
cain
@EthylEster:
It’s too bad none of Trump’s supporters would able to understand or even identify whatever George Will wrote as english.
Cermet
The only significant difference between the Nazi’s and the Confrederate States of amerika were that the Nazi’s killed far fewer americans.
download my app in the app store mistermix
@Kay: I made fun of her for a while because of her Romney crush, but I have to take it back because he came through when it counted. Also, she’s prolific.
different-church-lady
Miss Bianca
@MattF: I keep coming back to something that a Guardian columnist wrote about Dominic Cummings (somewhat paraphrased): “The problem with stirring up angry mobs is that they usually end up getting angry at *you*”.
raven
@different-church-lady: He did then too, ever see “Joe” or “Easy Rider”?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@HumboldtBlue:
@different-church-lady:
You two reminded me of this chestnut from DK’s “Stars and Stripes of Corruption:
cain
@Kay:
I like Tom NIchols who does have a sense of humor and knows how to laugh at himself. I’ve teased him many times and he’s always taken it. We’ve had a few back and forths.
I can at least appreciate that he is still committed to his principles regardless where the republican party goes but more than that he cares about the country more and is willing as an ideologue work for the greater good even if it isn’t what he wants.
And.. shit, his descriptions of Trump’s pressers are the most hilarious thing I’ve ever read. It’s the only way I can actually watch the presser otherwise it would just be rage inducing.
James E Powell
We should be seeing a few “Today is the day Trump stopped being president” columns from the Village.
Under these circumstances, the press/media would be calling for his resignation if he were a mayor or maybe even a governor. What’s holding them back? I think none of them wants to be first.
Uncle Cosmo
@HumboldtBlue: Didn’t Trumpolini spend the night cowering in place in his ArchieBunker?
(Just FTR, Carroll O’Connor was a well-educated left-of-center guy who had taught English – but he absofuckinglutely nailed Archie.)
MattF
@Kay: Also, Rubin has entirely abandoned the Republican Party and self-identifies as a right-of-center Democrat. There were some moments in the past where she was plainly hoping Romney or Bolton would ride to the rescue, but no longer.
zhena gogolia
My governor tweeted 5 hours ago that he was going to join the conversation with Drumpf. He hasn’t said a word about it since (he’s tweeted about other things).
debbie
Betty shared a tweet this morning that pointed out the Confederate flag was nothing more than a gang sign. I think this is a great comparison, one that should be used going forward just as much as the hashtag #bunkerbitch (or associated variations).
Uncle Cosmo
@different-church-lady: Someone might want to tell Ms Yaver that she just flunked American history by about a hundred years, since Andrew Johnson was Lincoln’s VP, not JFK’s.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Miss Bianca:
Even worse (for them) than the Frankenstein’s monster they’ve created for themselves out of their base, now they have pissed off enough liberals/leftists/apolitical people with their racist Law and Order bullshit to force the POTUS to hide in a bunker in the WH because there’s an angry protest outside. That’s something I never truly thought I’d see in my lifetime
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MattF:
I often say, no one would be happier than Mitch McConnell to hear that trump finally elvissed on his gold-plated crapper. There would be people as happy, but nobody happier. All the judges, none of the drama.
Miss Bianca
@MattF: She has? I hadn’t seen that. I mean, I’m not surprised, but I would have liked to be able to celebrate the conversion announcement.
debbie
Jeez. NPR just characterized Trump’s call with the governors as “unhinged.”
Jay C
@different-church-lady:
@Uncle Cosmo:
Andrew, Lyndon, one of those guys……
Although I have seen these sentiments expressed in mathematical form:
TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY MATH:
1918 + 1929 + 1968 = 2020
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MattF: Rubin said some things about choice during the Kavanaugh hearings, and has said things about climate change, that make me wonder if she hasn’t gone at least half Cole
MattF
@Miss Bianca: She’s definitely no longer a Republican, but not officially a Dem, as far as I can tell.
Uncle Cosmo
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Not surprising at all. Go look up the Copperheads & get back to us.
James E Powell
@MattF:
Has Joe Walsh ever acknowledged that it Trump’s voters are the same people he used to call Joe Walsh voters?
Has any significant Republican ever admitted that what we see now is what they all have been building for 40 years?
rp
@Uncle Cosmo: Isn’t the joke that A. Johnson was a horrible president, not that he was a VP?
In any event, a better version of the joke would be “I’ve always wanted to live through the spanish flu, great depression, and 1968, with an unholy combination of Warren Harding, Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, and George W. Bush as president.
MisterForkbeard
On the plus side, I see far-lefties and the right have decided that Biden’s outreach to black people is awful. Because he spoke to a bunch of black leaders for an hour, and at one point mentioned that they would need to revamp police training to include things like shooting at a leg instead of their chest when feel threatened.
The Right is saying “Shoot center-mass, you dumbshit! Biden knows nothing about guns, what a fake loser with dementia”.
The Far-Left is saying “Biden wants to shoot black people! Only in the leg, but why doesn’t he support de-escalation!”
The whole thing makes me angry and annoyed. I expect the right to be gigantic assholes. I still have some expectations for the professional leftists that they can at least recognize progress and not try to sabotage it.
JoyceH
@Uncle Cosmo: I don’t think that was a mistake, I think it was another element in the catalog of calamity – pandemic, depression, civil unrest, AND a historically incompetent president.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Never go Full Cole.
HumboldtBlue
If you can’t get your head right to stand for equality and social justice, for simple decency, please just get the fuck outta here already.
@JoyceH:
I read it that way too, particularly following the great national loss of Lincoln, his death and Johnson’s failure are why we still have the confederacy lovers.
Miss Bianca
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): And I love (or “love”, ie violently hate) the fact that after emerging from the bunker, whither he retreated in abject terror, Der Fuhrer is immediately blustering at the governors to start busting heads.
Honestly, how can *any* of his supporters still be with him after this? Wasn’t Trump’s whole schtick was that he was such a rough, tough guy? I mean, it’s been patent BS from the start, but anyone who only knew him from “The Apprentice” and said, “looks Presidential to me!” has got to have witnessed their Great White
WhaleHope acting like a whiny little bitch mewling for his fellow MAGAts to come save him from those scary, dangerous – though unarmed – colored hordes in front of the WH. I mean, why aren’t more of them just plain fucking embarrassed that their hero’s such an obvious weenie?Baud
I’m starting to think the impossible might happen: before everything is said and done, Trump will wear a tan suit.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):If you want a banana republic that bad
Why don’t you go move to one?
Why move, when you can turn the USA into a banana republic? And you can STILL say it’s making America great again.
Miss Bianca
@MisterForkbeard: “Nach Hitler, uns” sounded so much better in the original German…
zhena gogolia
@MattF:
But she’s all in for Biden.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Shorter Rick Wilson: “Sell the House. Sell the Car. Sell the Kids. Find Someone Else. Forget It. I’m Never Coming Back.”
Some say Wilson will return to the republicans after Dump is deposed. After watching the blow torch ads he’s been posting, I don’t see how – he’s never going back.
EthylEster
@HumboldtBlue: I actually laughed in appreciation of this. He is pissed.
yellowdog
@Uncle Cosmo: She meant Andrew. He was a horrible pres and a racist and followed an outstanding president.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@rp: You left out Nixon.
Did anyone here ever think we’d be considering Nixon’s virtues? Or even that he had any?
It’s time for another bottle of vodka.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
I commented in the earlier thread about these people and driftglass’s characterization of them: Republican Detachment Disorder.
But, they don’t lose focus ala the Democratic Circular Firing Squad of Yore. They keep their eyes on the prize with laser focus.
And as I said before, they’ve got to have hired some of Bloomberg’s ad people. Say what you will about Mikey, damn his ads were good.
HumboldtBlue
Breaking news: Louisville Police Chief fired after revealing that none of the officers involved in the deadly shooting of David McAtee.
Baud
@Boris Rasputin (the evil twin):
The last liberal president.
natem
@MisterForkbeard:
I follow a few lefty accounts on the twitter, and lately they seem to vacillate between “lulz Biden talked to some black people wooo blow me over *eye roll*” to “Why isn’t Biden out there talking to people?!” So yeah, things are going really well right.
James E Powell
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Back when I lived in Cleveland, we used to say that Ohio Turnpike was like the Mason Dixon line. More recently, the confederate disease moved into the upper Ohio valley and Cleveland’s southwest suburbs.
jonas
Well, we’ve always wished out loud that our side could fight and fuck rats like the Republicans, and well, some of their top ratfuckers have defected to our side now. “Let them fight.”
MattF
@zhena gogolia: And has written that she’d have voted for Sanders if he was the D nominee. Hard to get more D than that.
Edmund Dantes
@MisterForkbeard: no. We can call out our own when they say something as fucking dumb as shoot them in the leg.
It shows no real grasp of the problem and posits a solution that doesn’t even begin to address the issue.
Also, still voting for Biden no matter what. But it was fucking moronic.
Just One More Canuck
@Baud:
Never go Full Cole.
That’s why we need a like button.
WaterGirl
@different-church-lady:
No idea who this person is, but that’s really good.
sublime33
One minor quibble with the ad: They edited the audio around the 42 second mark so you can’t clearly hear the first two words the tiki torch bearers chant before “will not replace us” comes through at the end. The first two words are “The Jews…” followed by “will not replace us”. Why that never became more famous is beyond me.
natem
Listening to the Trump call with the governors, and man it just hits you how he’s just your stupid, bigoted uncle who comes over for the holidays and insists all the TVs are set to Fox News. Also Bill Barr is a fascist.
Frank Wilhoit
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Ohio is not a state of the Deep South, but of the Shallow (or Flibbertigibbet) South.
Mezz
I like the ad, except that it entirely misrepresents what the flag means, and what it stands for. The men who fought under the stars+bars were not fighting “for Treason.” They committed treason so that they could better defend and maintain White Supremacy under a racist rebel government. Great fking gravy, hadn’t anyone on the Lincoln Project ever heard of the Cornerstone Speech?
The Civil War was a war over treason in the defense of White Supremacy and Slavery. Full stop. In both my US history surveys, that is the specific and exact context I tell my students about the Civil War and the rebel flag Southern white supremacists fought under.
THAT is why you see it everywhere. It’s not a flag representing treason. It’s a flag that represents White Supremacy, and the people who exhibit it know that. When I sometimes took the long way home from school, there was a house just beyond Brockton (Mass.) that used to fly it from a flag pole. It’s everywhere because white supremacists are everywhere, and how about while you’re all here being aggravated at the “Pedant” trying to make this point, let’s make sure everyone understands that White Supremacy is very simply a total and complete monopoly on power and authority, at every level of life, by whites. That’s it. They defend it vigorously because they’re racists and can’t imagine being governed by non-whites.
ALL that said, I love their ads because they clearly drive Trump nuts. And fuck that racist piece of shit.
Matt Smith
#OkBunkerBoomer
Barbara
@EthylEster: This is what I have thought many times. What good is membership in the Senate when all you do is end up being a slave to the lowest, most deformed notions of civil society?
So if you lose the next election, you lose the next election. At least you won’t lose your soul. These are wealthy and well-connected people whether they are in the Senate or not.
Martin
So, Ms Martin (trying hard to be interested in and understand politics, but not naturally taken to it) posed a question – what’s the difference between a riot and a rebellion and which is this. I had to think about it a bit. I wish Adam were here to answer, so I took my best stab at it.
I would posit that riots are short term actions to recent events that tend to flame out once people get their frustrations out. They tend to be local in scope, and not strategic in nature. They are a measure of the health of a community, but do not have a goal.
Rebellions are long-term responses to longer term problems that are more national in scope and more strategic in nature. They do have a goal.
My sense is that this is more riot than rebellion, though it seems to be slowly shifting toward the latter as mayors and governors and members of the press speak more in solidarity to the protesters and move the debate off of local policing efforts (which seriously need to change) and toward national civil rights policies and attitudes. Trump could have kept the focus on local policing but has instead chosen to draw everyones attention more and more to the national level and more and more into a problem he needs to deal with rather than mayors.
HumboldtBlue
Magats find out they’re not welcome at a DC protest
Breaking: Just in: Active duty military police battalion (200-250 MPs) now in process of deploying to DC could be in place by tonight: defense officials. Mission is security not law enforcement. Two defense officials said troops will be coming from Fort Bragg North Carolina.
Citizen Alan
@Uncle Cosmo:
I’d assumed she meant Andrew Johnson in the sense of POTUS being more closely allied with the Confederacy than his own country.
Uncle Cosmo
@yellowdog: I disagree with all of you; she fucked up. If she’d slipped in an Oxfordish comma after 1968, I might grant your point – but then I wouldn’t have made my comment.
MisterForkbeard
@natem: Yeah. I saw a few that were “Why can’t we have a candidate that actually is out talking to people?”
Me: “Biden was literally out on the streets yesterday talking to protesters. And he was speaking with black leaders today.”
Them: “That doesn’t count. He’s old.”
Assholes.
MisterForkbeard
@Edmund Dantes: I feel like “we really need to reform police training, including training people to shoot nonlethally” is just fine, especially when it is explicitly called out as being just one of many potential changes to make to training.
Lefties who use this to say that Biden is racist or that this is literally all he’s planning get a double-size fuck you with both hands.
Baud
@MisterForkbeard:
Your fault for presenting facts.
HumboldtBlue
Amsterdam showed up.
trollhattan
@MisterForkbeard:
No kidding. “Biden’s so out of it he can’t use Zoom.”
Martin
@Mezz: Agree completely. As far as I’m concerned, the civil war never ended, it simply shifted from a hot war to a cold one. It’s a war between two cultures – the US multicultural, multi-religious one, and the confederate white protestant supremacy one. Their allegiance to parties has changed, with republicans sometimes ceding some control feeling they needed members of the former group, and democrats sometimes ceding some control feeling they needed members of the latter group. But now the cultures and parties are in almost perfect alignment thanks to both Obama and Trump.
The confederate flag clearly advertises what culture you support. MAGA has come to as well, made clear by Trumps proclamation that MAGA loves the blacks (making clear that blacks are not welcome in MAGA).
I find it interesting that other than white trash legolas, the gun humpers aren’t brave enough to show their faces here.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Preach!
Roger Moore
@Kay:
Rubin has also been better on what I consider to be the two truly important points:
raven
@Martin: It was pretty surprising to see the armed Booglaoo Boiz in Athens at the demonstration last night.
BBA
@Frank Wilhoit: There is no North, just different types of South.
Redshift
@MisterForkbeard:
FTFY
Baud
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
By contrast, here’s the title of a front page post from one of the Wilmer subs on Reddit.
Baud
Patricia Kayden
But Biden is the racist for making a misguided joke.
Aleta
I’m ready for ads that say vote for an exorcism.
Edmund Dantes
@MisterForkbeard: no. We invented an entire device for “shooting” people less lethally. That could have been his remark. “They should be using their taser” (problematic but at least better). The only time a cop should be pulling their service weapon is when they are intending to kill someone.
our exact problem is cops have been trained to resort to the hand gun too easily and early. So saying shoot them in the leg has done nothing to deal with the fucking problem (and the gun nuts are right is stupid not to mention dangerous as higher chance to miss and ricochet) and shows a complete misunderstanding of the issue.
edit – still voting for joe and doing my best to GoTV for him
patrick II
@Mezz:
I’ll take painting Trump voters with the brush of treason. I admire most of the Lincoln Project’s aggressive ads. For years I have wondered why a Democratic group can’t be as effectively aggressive. It pisses me off that we have to rely on a fed-up group of Republicans unafraid to stick the knife in.
pat
@MattF:
She is all in for Biden.
hueyplong
I read the tweets of all the former GOP people mentioned above. If you’ve read any of the comments/responses by trumpers to any of their tweets, you know the Lincoln Project types can’t go home again. They’ve burned their bridges and I totally trust them through Nov 3. After that it’s “trust but verify.”
I don’t read the tweets of any BernieBros. Don’t trust them at all and they’re non-persons to me, of interest only to inquire whether they’ve yet en masse performed seemingly impossible acts of self gratification.
sdhays
@Uncle Cosmo: I humbly submit that you are 100% wrong this time. Lyndon Johnson was President during the 1968 mass protests. You don’t need to “wonder” about that. If that was what she meant, there wouldn’t have been a point in mentioning it all. The point is referencing all of these things happening AND the country is headed by a racist President who’s only tool in the toolbox is pouring gasoline on the fire and boosting the Confederacy.
Roger Moore
@Uncle Cosmo:
I think you’re reading that incorrectly. She’s listing three bad things (Spanish Flu, Great Depression, 1968 protests) and choosing a historically terrible President to handle them (Andrew Johnson). I think she’s wrong, though. Trump is more like James Buchanan than Andrew Johnson.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Uncle Cosmo: I think she was adding that into the mix. “… and also the President is Andrew Johnson” (while the Depression and the 1918 Flu and 1968 were going on.
I’m pretty sure she didn’t think the Depression and the 1918 Flu were at the same time either.
Spc
@Uncle Cosmo: ???? Andrew J was intentional – considered on the worst.
Baud
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Patricia Kayden: Has anyone told Tom Cotton that many of the looters are white?
Kent
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Time for some John Prine
Martin
@raven: Athens? Let us know when the LARPers are brave enough to show up in ATL.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Helluva picture from Biden
Oh god, MSNBC just said trump is about to speak?
Sloane Ranger
So, police tear gassed peaceful protesters in Philadelphia, twice and military police are openly backing up uniformed Secret Service in Washington. Bunker Baby to make a speech from the Rose Garden imminently.
Looks like Philly police took Bunker Baby’s instruction to dominate to heart and I fear BB is about to demonstrate his idea of domination in DC. Wouldn’t be surprised if BB’s speech consists of an order to break up the protests and walks away as the cops and soldiers attack. Barr in Lafayette Park with cops watching the protests.
Kent
So they had their body cams turned off?
How about interfacing the body cam with the payroll department. You turn off the camera you are going off duty and not getting paid for that time. You wanna actually get paid for your police work, keep the camera on. Getting paid for an 8 hour shift requires 8 hours of body cam footage.
James E Powell
@Mezz:
Well, not entirely, but they did leave out the reason for the treason: slavery & white supremacy. Kind of curious why they would do that.
If they mention it at all, it will be to point out that the speech was given by a Democrat.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Miss Bianca:
Because they only watch and listen to Conservative media, so that isn’t what they are seeing. Trump is being carefully edited to make him look much better. The protestors, speakers, and other non-supporters are being carefully edited to look much worse. This is why his support has been so stable.
debbie
@HumboldtBlue:
That is some crowd!
debbie
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
One of Trump’s earliest lawsuits (late 1970s or early 1980s, I can’t remember) was about his being discriminated against because he was white.
Mezz
@patrick II: I am with you on that. It sucks that the Democrats can’t seem to master the effective use of media like Trumpists have.
Mendo
The dick-swinging by Wilson and Nichols et al is fun and cathartic, for sure.
But I always wonder: does this shit work for Democrats the way it works for Republicans? I mean, Kavanaugh’s angryangryangry act was galvanizing for the GOP defense. When Peter Strzok tried something similar, nobody cared. (Strzok was much lower profile, but still.)
The press loves the angry, “righteous,” attacking white man as long as it’s a Republican. When Michelle Obama says “when they go low, we go high,” I sometimes wonder whether realistically speaking that may be the Dems only option.
So I get annoyed by the Never-Trumpers when they lecture the Dems about tactics. The sh*t they have been able to pull as Republican operatives may or may not be available to Dems. It’s not a symmetrical playing field.
That said, under the current situation, I can’t deny that it’s worth a freakin’ try.
mrmoshpotato
Quality Never Trumpers
LOL
Fuck these opportunistic shitstains who just now “discovered” that their Rethuglican party is full of Rethuglicans. (h/t Driftglass)
And, as always, fuck everyone who didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mendo: there’s definitely a (limited) market on the left for shouty (mostly) white (mostly) guys: Anthony Wiener, Alan Grayson, Michael Avenatti, Bernie Sanders…
Jeffro
Give ‘em credit: Republicans NEVER bring knives to a gun fight. Even Never Trumper Republicans
leeleeFL
@Uncle Cosmo: Well, I think she was just choosing the crappiest President she could think of to hold tRump’s place we within that cavalcade of crappiness
Mendo
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, it is much more limited. Air America just fizzled compared to RWNJ talk radio. There’s no effective equivalent to Fox News. The same may be true for the Never-Trumper tactics.
Subsole
@James E Powell:
What’s gonna be the REAL perfect shit is gonna be when the first one scores blood and the rest realize that there is, after all of the groveling and scraping and shit-eating, in fact, no hell to pay whatsoever.
Subsole
@James E Powell:
Naw. Hell naw.
I think there have been a couple operatives no one ever heard of who copped to it all being bullshit (in exchange for a well-compensated book deal, natch).
But actual names-and-faces people? Sheeeeeit. They’re better off going with the program. Just memory hole the whole thing and hope we forget, as the media certainly will.
Subsole
@MisterForkbeard:
If it’s anything like what I see on Twitter, it is beyond exasperating.
Lot of grown ups throwing tantrums, these days.
leeleeFL
@MisterForkbeard: Of course, all law enforcement should begin with treating fellow citizens with respect and restraint. However, if you routinelyoroutinely in a world where shooting to kill is your first response, being trained to incapacitate rather than kill is a step in the right direction.
My fellow left leaners need to know the difference between compromise and capitulation.
Jeez Louise, I am a tired soc–list!
Subsole
@Miss Bianca:
Because to stop being clowns, they have to first admit they used to be clowns.
They would rather keep being clowns and never have to face themselves, than face themselves and have a chance at being something more than a clown.
Because they are some clown-ass motherfuckers.
Subsole
@mrmoshpotato:
Yeah. Assuming Biden wins, one second after he is confirmed every neverTrumper is gonna have those sharp little daggers buried in our backs.
Assuming he loses, well. They are at best mercenaries. Daggers. Backs.
Use them like they are using us.
Then drown them.
Subsole
@Jeffro:
As others have pointed out, democrats bringing guns to a gunfight is simply not sporting, if you listen to the general public and our esteemed media betters.
Kinda complicates things.
rikyrah
Make sense of it??
rikyrah
rikyrah
The Fat Kate Middleton
Just read that after the National Guard types at the White House tonight shot off rubber bullets at bystanders, Trump walked over to a nearby church. Guess he likes the way Biden operates.
slightly_peeved
@Mezz:
@James E Powell:
Not American myself, so take this with a big grain of salt, but could it be aimed at the people who are tuning out political arguments based on racism, but pride themselves on their patriotism? I get the impression Wilson et al don’t care whether an ad is correct so much as that it sends a message that will affect the listener. ‘Seditious loser’ certainly seems like a message that will affect some people.
Another Scott
@Frank Wilhoit: Much of Ohio can be regarded as Northern Kentucky, people-wise.
Cheers,
Scott.
Another Scott
@Mezz: +1
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.