So, this was bullshit:
AP: A malaria drug widely touted by Trump for treating the coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported. https://t.co/4pFQjSXrIs
— Geoff Bennett (@GeoffRBennett) April 21, 2020
Shocker, I know.
If I were DNC Chief Meme Maven, I’d run a contest to produce more content like this: people pretending to be pub-crawlers acting out Trump’s incoherent and stupid ravings from the “press briefings.”
This is perfection ?????? pic.twitter.com/6HIArUvPZG
— Hear Me Roar (@Stop_Trump20) April 20, 2020
It’s brilliant. Open thread.
ant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRly-0wwl_g
feebog
Would make a perfect ad if it were an old guy and he fell off the bar stool at the end.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
His claim yesterday that he hadn’t left the White House “in months”– destroyed on the spot by Yamiche Alcindor pointing out that he held a rally in March– should have been humiliating, and on some level I guess it was. And in the tweet I linked to, they point out that he went to Mar A Lago (wasn’t that the GUilfoyle birthday party?) and played golf at least once. I suspect that moment provoked both the immigration tweet last night and the ratings tweet from this morning.
I can’t remember who tweeted out the video this morning of him bragging about how the doctors at the CDC can’t believe how smart he is, but I don’t know how there are people haven’t turned on him just out of embarrassment. But as ever, getting that middle 20ish% to care about anything is the challenge
namekarB
TPM has interesting take. MD indicates this is not really study but more a reflection as those that were admistered the drug were in bad shape initially
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/not-good-6
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Everything. Dump. Touches. Dies.
Mandalay
I vividly recall Trump asking “What have you got to lose?” when promoting this drug.
Well now we know: your life.
Zzyzx
And what makes this stupid is that there are some treatment approaches that actually are promising that Trump could have pushed, but instead he went with this stupidity.
It’s almost as though depending on Fox and Friends for your information isn’t the best idea.
Barbara
@namekarB: It was reckless to push testing of unproven drugs, and spare me any “what did we have to lose” arguments. What we have to lose is not putting resources to better use testing other therapies or ramping up testing.
taumaturgo
Recent encouraging news from the contested state of Michigan. The independent voters are bad news for Donald.
President Trump COVID-19 Approval at 44%-50%
Respondents disapprove of President Trump’s handling of COVID-19 by a margin of 44%-50%.
Republicans approve of his handling by a margin of 88%-9%.
Democrats disapprove of his handling by a margin of 6%-86%.
Independent voters disapprove of his handling by a margin of 40%-52%.
Men approve of his handling 49%-46%.
But women disapprove of his handling by a margin of 39%-54%.
Governor Whitmer COVID-19 Approval at 57%-37%
Respondents approve of Gov. Whitmer’s handling of COVID-19 by a margin of 57%-37%.
Democrats approve of her handling by a margin of 89%-8%.
Republicans disapprove of her handling by a margin of 22%-70%.
But Independent voters approve of her handing by a margin of 56%-35%.
Men approve of her handling 49%-42%.
Women strongly approve of her handling by a margin of 64%-32%.
** **The statewide general population poll was commissioned by the Detroit Regional Chamber and conducted by the Chamber’s polling partner, Glengariff Group Inc., of 600 Michiganders between April 15 through 16, 2020.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Barbara:
WhY nOt leT iT bE A ChOiCE bEtWeEn a pAtIeNt AnD tHeIR dOcTor!?!
Baud
@Mandalay:
That was his pitch to black people in the 2016 election. The answer is “everything.” With Trump, the answer is always “everything.”
Gin & Tonic
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I see that orthography a lot. Isn’t it hard to type?
Yes, I’m old. What’s it to you?
Baud
@Gin & Tonic: I don’t know if Goku does this, but I believe there are ways to automatically “translate” words into that form.
M31
OK this is funny: I was watching an online auction (not Ebay) and it was a hodgepodge of coins and jewelry and collectables. There were some stupid framed montages of photos of celebrities with an autograph in the middle.
The one for Kobe went for $200.
The one for Trump started at $2 and had no bidders.
LOL the auction site had the Trump montage estimated to sell for “$525-1050” HAHAHAHAHA nice try suckers
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Imagine what a humungous piece of shit you have to be to fucking brag about your ratings for your news conference for a deadly virus. It’s a captive audience, douche. It’s not that impressive
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Remember G&T is old.
Roger Moore
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That said, I think it represents his feelings. He feels trapped at the White House. His clubs are shut down, people are reluctant to go to
coronavirus partiesNuremberg rallies, and everyone is demanding he actually do his job full time. He desperately wants to get out and do some of the activities he clearly loves: hanging out with sycophants at Mar-a-Lago, golfing at his clubs, basking in cheers at his rallies, etc. but he can’t. He wants the country to reopen at least as much so his life can go back to what passes for normal as anything. I wonder the extent to which these “Open Up” rallies were staged as trial balloons to see how many people he could get to show up if he went back on the campaign trail.randy khan
This is about the 6th study that showed no benefit from hydroxychloroquine. It’s probably time to stop studying it and try something else. (And it’s worth noting that the early studies showed only benefits for people with mild cases, so it wasn’t saving any lives.)
Barbara
@Roger Moore: If he did those rallies, he would be putting police and everyone else who has to show up for security at risk.
Kent
@Roger Moore: I expect this is it exactly. As president he can go golfing as much as he wants at his closed down golf clubs. He can have Marine 1 take him straight to the first fairway. But what’s the fun in that if there is no army of sycophants hanging about to tell him how amazing he is? And for that you gotta have the clubs open.
rikyrah
Sue sue sue ??
Leto
Sweet, using vets as guinea pigs. That’s just awesome.
JAFD
Good afternoon, fellow Jackals (Or good evening or morning or…)
Would like to get $123.00 or so worth of food, delivered from ShopRite. But: Have to pick delivery time before checkingout, found yesterday, delivery times thru next six days bookedup. So tried again, 4 this morning, still no luck, will try again at thirty seconds past midnight… Running out of tea bags. And Splenda. And cheeze
Mask wearing: If you’re outside, walking in area with little pedestrian traffic, stiff breeze blowing, should I feel guilty if I pull it down, to breath easier ? (I really need to get out, walk a mile a day, between winter and coronavirus have gotten utterly out of condition ;-( )
Stay healthy and happy, take care of yourselves, and don’t take any wooden nickles !
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Gin & Tonic:
I see a lot on Reddit, mostly. And yes it is. Especially on a phone. You have to change to upper case and lower case repeatedly. It’s almost worth it to see the result though
Hey, you’re only as “old” as you feel. You’ve mentioned you’re 50 or so, right? That’s not that old honestly
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
Nope. I just type it out that way like a moron lol
Heidi Mom
@randy khan: Tom Hanks said that the effect of hydroxychloroquine on his wife, Rita Wilson, was nausea so extreme that she couldn’t stand up and had to crawl from the bed to the bathroom. And now she knows that it was all for nothing.
BR
@randy khan:
University of Arizona put out guidelines for natural remedies that may help prevent a mild case of COVID-19 from progressing to a severe case. Many of these were found to help with SARS. There was a book written on such remedies a few years ago, and it covered these and a few more.
Here’s their writeup:
https://integrativemedicine.arizona.edu/file/72354/Integrative+Considerations+during+the+COVID+3.18.20.pdf
Main suggestions are Licorice root, quercetin, zinc, turmeric, ginger, boneset, astragalus, melatonin, and a few others. Elderberry and vitamin D appear helpful before symptoms but could exacerbate things once symptoms appear and should be stopped at that time.
Barbara
@Leto: I also think it was wrong, but it’s worth mentioning that these drugs have been used safely for a long time. Though not without side effects, these are typically associated with longer term use. I took this drug for close to two years with no side effects at all. I think (hope) doctors would have balked at using a drug that had actually never been finally approved or with a spottier track record.
Baud
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Googling found this (I’ve never typed that way mYSelF).
https://convertcase.net/
A Ghost to Most
@Mandalay: To be fair, he couldn’t pronounce remdesivir.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@JAFD:
I heard Cuomo talking about this a few days ago (time is blurry). He said if you’re by yourself on your walk, you don’t need the mask, but have it handy so if you approach a crossroads or something with other people, then you can put it on. Mask advice seems to change over time so I don’t know if that’s still the thinking.
catclub
also, You’re only as old as the person you’re feeling up.
different-church-lady
So that’s another ad that just wrote itself for Biden.
mrmoshpotato
“…and they end up dying from from problems. You know the problems I’m talking about.”
Did anyone see the Soviet shitpile mobster manchild say this live? Was it met with shocked silence? Because HOLY SHIT!
germy
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/naturopaths-exploit-covid-19-with-unproven-treatments-and-self-promotion/
different-church-lady
Orthography…
[writes that down in my “Learn Something New Every Day” notebook]
HAL
This whole Nancy Pelosi ice cream nonsense seems to be propagated by some Sanders supporters, conservatives and whole lot of bots. But it’s seriously annoying for actual real progressives to be pushing this nonsense as a substitute for Bernie as president.
germy
@mrmoshpotato: Yes, i saw it. It was during one of his briefings.
different-church-lady
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I must have passed away some time recently…
different-church-lady
@HAL: Appropriate reply: “20 million newly unemployed, tens of thousands of deaths, a lawless, incompetent president at the helm of it all, and you wanna talk about a comedy sketch that misfired?”
dmsilev
@Mandalay:
Yes, but did you lose your money? That’s what’s really important to them.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Something young folk say.
Peale
@JAFD: For online ordering of groceries, you just have to try until you find the sweet time when they open up the next available day. Always have your list ready, or at least with some items. If your shoprite uses instacart, you can always go back in to “edit” your oder, adding and dropping things, then recheckout your order until they start shopping for it. But it is necessary to order “something” to get that coveted slot.
It took me a while to find that time when the schedule opens, but at the store I use, the slots open up for deliveries six days out between 5:30am and 6:00am and are usually full by 6:30am. At least now I don’t have to get up every hour on the hour to get a slot.
Shana
@Kent: He has a club in the Virginia suburbs and golf clubs were never closed down. I guess because people could easily social distance and it’s outdoors. Trump’s gone to that club a number of times and, AIR, the photo of the woman on her bike flipping off his motorcade was from one of the trips to that club.
Mike in NC
The world and the country are suffering through a horrific pandemic, with no end remotely in sight, and the imbecile sitting in the White House is literally a fucking snake oil salesman.
Quaker in a Basement
@BR:
Really good news if you like Indian food!
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: literally
BR
@Quaker in a Basement:
I wish there were more studies done of natural remedies because they’re widely available (some are literally weeds, like boneset) and have been used for hundreds or thousands of years so their safety is relatively well understood. But they aren’t cure-alls the way we normally expect, nor is anyone going to make big money off of them.
danielx
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
for the orange shitbag, it’s always about the ratings. For It, ratings = approval. By that measure, Nixon’s resignation speech was the high point of his presidency.
Chief Oshkosh
@randy khan: There have been no full-on, controlled, prospective studies yet. This most recent study is retrospective, and as pointed out by many, it doesn’t take into account whether patients put on HC were in the worst shape to begin with.
Origuy
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Funny thing about Cuomo’s statement. He said that you can walk around with your mask down, but pull it up if John Campbell comes out of the bushes. I’m sure he picked that name at random, but there’s a orienteer named Jon Campbell that is pretty well known. His son was listening to Cuomo when he heard that and said “Hey, the governor knows Dad!”
bemused
Cuomo is meeting with trump at WH. I hope he wears a mask and gloves.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Origuy: LOL. Who knew Dad was so important!
MisterForkbeard
@HAL: Nancy Pelosi Ice Cream nonsense? I feel like I’ve mercifully missed something but now I’m curious enough to ask.
What the hell are they talking about?
Leto
@Barbara: I know they have; I took anti-malaria pills for close to a year while I was in Iraq (same pills, right?). It’s just a thing with me because vets can be seen as disposable. The government has a track record with us, like so many others.
Jeffro
@Barbara: Yup. Until there’s a lot more ‘opening up’, he won’t do it – too risky.
Y’all really should read Catherine Rampell’s piece today. All of this ‘open up’ and ‘LIBERATE x and y!’ is just his hail mary. He knows he’s going down the tubes and can’t do anything to move his numbers in a good direction. The Great Shame is coming, lil’ Donnie.
JoyceH
Since so many people are going to get this virus and the vaccine is at least a year a way, I hope doctors will find better ways to treat it than just slapping on a ventilator and hope the patient lives. Something I’ve seen in the past week or so is that doctors are having success with ‘prone positioning’ – moving the patient from their back to their front. Like sleeping on your stomach. Apparently it’s easier to breathe from this position (the lungs being closer to your back than your chest), and often patients don’t require ventilation if this is done.
The Thin Black Duke
@bemused: I hope he’s wearing boxing gloves.
MisterForkbeard
@bemused: Oh, I don’t know. It’d serve Trump right if Cuomo went up and just coughed in his face.
mrmoshpotato
@M31:
That auction site needs to post ads on Gun-Humping Chumps Anonymous.
different-church-lady
@MisterForkbeard: It’s the “granite countertops” of the moment.
schrodingers_cat
@MisterForkbeard: She did an interview with a late night comedian, and said that her way of coping with the pandemic was to have a freezer full of ice-cream.
Bros got upset because
NP has an expensive fridge
She stocks good ice-cream
She wears nice clothes even at home.
I think they are full of shit and just jealous.
Gravenstone
@bemused:
I want him to scare Trump absolutely shitless, walking in wearing full level A PPE.
Tenar Arha
@JAFD: not walking with a mask wo people is probably okay, but if you’re going to be near people pulling it up & down from your face to your neck is apparently bad mask wearing practice. So if you can pull it on & off by the straps & not touch your face at all until you wash your hands that’s your best option.
The CDC guidance is vague, but I’ve both started out my walks with mine & just kept it on, & also tried starting out by not wearing it & then putting it on, trying to only touch & carry it by the ear loops if I decide to take it off after.
mrmoshpotato
@Roger Moore:
Waaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! I didn’t want the job of President, just the ass-kissing that I think I deserve!
65,853,516 voters: Then resign, and take Dense with you, Putin’s bitch!
Kent
In an average year the CDC estimates that over 50 million Americans catch the flu. And that is with (1) a vaccine available, and (2) a LESS contagious virus than covid-19.
If covid-19 becomes as widespread as the flu in any normal year then we are talking about 50 million x 3% CFR = 1.5 million deaths.
But hey, it’s just like the flu. Let’s open the country back up.
different-church-lady
@schrodingers_cat:
Make no mistake, they are going to do everything they can to sabotage Biden, and they will not be reasoned with. We MUST not let them win the battle of perceptions, the pushback needs to be serious and vigorous. This isn’t just a sideshow, they are going to try to do real damage.
schrodingers_cat
@different-church-lady: I agree with you. How do we take them on. I block them on sight. I think the Tara Reade business has Putin’s paw prints all over it.
different-church-lady
@JoyceH:
With my recent bout of (supposedly non-COVID-19) pneumonia I found this to be true. The slightest leaning back would lead to coughing fits, and sometimes I would fall asleep sitting in bed with my upper body slumped forward on two or three pillows. Back or side sleeping was simply out of the question.
Just Chuck
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
… and it won’t come close to the piece of shit you’d actually have to be to even approximate Trump.
Betty Cracker
@Jeffro: Second the recommendation of Rampell’s column. Trump and his sycophants are absolutely gambling with our lives. It’s a pretty damned pointless gamble too because even if we disregard epidemiologists’ advice and reopen without the testing, tracking and tracing regime that’s needed to reopen responsibly, the economy is in shambles and isn’t going to bounce back in time to save Trump’s stupid ass.
different-church-lady
@schrodingers_cat: Since I don’t tweet, and I have no insane Bernie-folk in my life, I don’t really know. We don’t really get many Bernie trolls here, and when we do we know how to take care of them.
I guess I would recommend that those who do interact say something like I recommended above: “20 million newly unemployed, tens of thousands of deaths, and you want to talk about (bullshit toy-item X)?” Don’t treat it like it’s cute, treat it like it’s deadly serious and they’re the one not taking it that way.
VeniceRiley
I think Irvine has finally stocked up all the hoarders. I have been unsuccessful in getting delivery slots from Whole foods, or pickup slots at Vons. I haven’t been to a store since the day before lockdown. Yesterday evening I went back to WF and there as no line to get in and maybe 2 shoppers ahead of me at register. Plenty of product: meats and veggies and cheese etc. making low carb tortilla tacos tonight!
bemused
@The Thin Black Duke:
@MisterForkbeard:
LOL
schrodingers_cat
@different-church-lady:
Many of these people are not even American citizens. There is a fair number of lefties on Indian Twitter I follow because of my interest in Indian politics who are into the socialist Grandpa and fighting for his honor against meanie Dems.
BS has a large international fan following which has a cartoonish at best understanding of our politics.
Elizabelle
I wonder if Andrew Cuomo is going to be one of the Trump hostages at today’s presser
Who are not allowed to maintain any social distance from the noxious one in chief.
bemused
@Gravenstone:
I would love to see that! I’m pretty sure Cuomo with all his facts, data and snark terrifies him already.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I just saw a Bloomberg report that the WH has ordered federal agencies to get their workers back to the office.
mrmoshpotato
@Mike in NC:
Yeah, but Mike, at least 10s of millions of non-voters didn’t have to live through 4 years of (whiny voice) Ewww!!! Hillary!
Ohio Mom
Leto @55: Yes, it’s the same drug. I take it for RA. The printout my pharmacy staples on the bag has two sets of instructions/warnings, one if you are taking it for malaria and one if you are taking it for an autoimmune condition.
It is, as meds go, on the benign side. It does screw up heart rhythms in some people, particularly in combination with other meds for various other conditions.
I am glad this wild goose chase of Trump’s is nearing an end, now I won’t have to worry that there will be a shortage when it’s time to renew my prescription.
Miss Bianca
@JoyceH: TaMara had a post up the other day where she highlighted a British doctor talking about that, and demonstrating breathing techniques to use. While she was updating us about her own brush with COVID-19. : (
mrmoshpotato
@bemused: Fuck that. Full-on hazmat for Gov Cuomo. He’s meeting with a toxic shitpile.
Wash your hands like a surgeon afterwards, Governor!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@schrodingers_cat: I half- follow Bernie-twitter through Ragnarok Lobster, and they’re falling all over themselves to congratulate trump on a doctored video of Biden, and lamenting that Bernie was too noble and principled to do the same thing, in their apparent conviction that winning the primary not only would have made Bernie president– not in November, not in January, now, somehow– but would have made BernieCare the law of the land and the ‘rona would be cured.
The core of magical thinking– a nice way of saying “stupidity”– around which the Bernie fantasies were built is amazing, and under-acknowledged.
bemused
@mrmoshpotato:
I can’t imagine working at the WH and having to be around trump toxicity daily. Then again, only other toxic, bastard people would take a job there.
bemused
@mrmoshpotato:
OMG, just thinking of shaking trump’s hand makes me nauseous.
mrmoshpotato
@Jeffro: Why doesn’t Dump take to Twitter to call the virus a total loser, then grab it by the pussy, then threaten to sue it?
Oh right! Because it’s a virus!
Ocotillo
Is it just me or has the 27% from the Bush years grown to the low 40s nowadays? This country is doomed if nearly half of it is batshit insane.
mrmoshpotato
@bemused: Ok, delousing, and several hot showers, Gov! ?
FelonyGovt
@Dorothy A. Winsor: This is horrifying. I wonder if he actually has the power to do this or if it’s up to the various department heads.
Leto
@Ohio Mom: That’s the other thing, people who actually fucking need it. We’re wasting meds because he has a stake in the company. The corruption is just non-stop.
mrmoshpotato
@The Thin Black Duke: But Dump might be wearing baby boxing gloves!
Mandalay
@Roger Moore:
I think a lot of what promotes outrage here is a carefully crafted trial balloon: Stephen Moore’s “Rosa Parks” moment, Kayleigh McEnany’s “Mr President” tweet and Bill O’Reilly’s “last legs anyway” comment are all recent examples.
There is no way that any of those comments were the author unwittingly revealing their true persona. All three of them are far too crafty for that to be true.
And while they may appear to rally the base, and “trigger the libtards”, I think their true purpose is to act as trial balloons. They want to see what sticks, what offends, how far the envelope can be pushed, and what will be helpful in the campaign.
And if you want to label that strategy “a vast right wing conspiracy”, I won’t stand in your way.
schrodingers_cat
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: As I said many of the BSers are not even American. The journobros have fewer excuses for the magical thinking. Alex Pareene, Chris Hayes and many others are in that list.
WaterGirl
@Leto:
Guessing that’s not on the recruiting posters.
Subsole
@HAL: Cannot speak for normal people, but if the nomenklatura haven’t cut the bullshit and got with the program by now, they’re not progressives.
They’re strasserites.
Kent
Around here immuno-compromised elderly types are going on the NextDoor App and getting local HS kids to do their shopping for them. But then we are in kind of an affluent suburb with lots of neighborly stuff going on.
Elizabelle
@Jeffro: Put up some excerpts from that last night.
Catherine Rampell in the WaPost:
Trump has almost nothing to lose. That’s why he wants to reopen the economy.
Leto
@WaterGirl: “And just when you think your service has ended, think again!” – Uncle Sam
One of the side effects of the malaria medicine was really disturbing nightmares. The doctors warned us about that. Fortunately I avoided that, but a few of my teammates didn’t. They basically stopped taking the meds, after about two-three months, rather than continue to deal with that side effect.
Subsole
@schrodingers_cat:
If she was wearing casual and using discount appliances they’d say she was pandeting, or call her a slob. Fuck ’em.
Subsole
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Something my aunt used to say:
“My brain is 35. My knees are 60.”
schrodingers_cat
@Subsole:
Oh I know that. I don’t bother to argue with them for the most part.
Another Scott
@Shana: Newly elected county supervisor Juli Briskman flipped Donnie off.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-cyclist-who-flipped-off-trump-wins-loudoun-county-seat-representing-his-golf-club/2019/11/05/e8aa11dc-003d-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html
Karma’s coming for you Donnie!!
Cheers,
Scott.
cain
So blue checked folks are twitter have already breathlessly announced that Democrats have caved to Republicans on the new spending bill. Has someone gone through it and find out what the real story is? Cuz seriously we need to stop getting on the emo train.
I am concerned that Dems were not able to get funding for the post office – and there seems to be other things they were not able to get.
My speculation is that maybe they’ll wait for another spending bill when things get even worse to strengthen their hand.
Also Barr seems to think that he can fuck with the states using his DOJ powers to force them to open them up.
Subsole
@BR: Really? I figured that stuff would go gangbusters with the antivax crowd. You could sell them weeds from the park at a 200%+ markup and make an absolute killing. Literally, perhaps.
Isn’t that essentially what Alex Jones and co. do?
Doug R
@schrodingers_cat: I saw that clip and noticed the fridge was very nice as was the ice cream. But she’s worked hard all her life and you don’t want to get between an 80 year old woman and her chocolate ice cream.
Mandalay
Nobody could have predicted….
different-church-lady
@Mandalay:
Not a believer in Hanlon’s razor, eh?
WaterGirl
@Heidi Mom: All the while, people like Mary G. who fucking need that drug for it’s original purpose, have to do without. So people like Tom Hanks or his wife can have it, or so Trump can have his personal stockpile that makes him feel safe somehow.
Please assume the word “livid” is in all caps, huge type, and is flashing red.
trollhattan
@HAL:
I don’t care a whit about the ice cream but I sure as hell would love those fridges! Yes, yes, I’m an elite. But unlike the classic Huckabee elite, and Huckabee himself, I’m not coastal so my life sucks. Hence, I deserve those fridges.
Subsole
@schrodingers_cat: What’s the genesis of that? Pushback against Modi, or what? I thought socialism was kind of heavily frowned upon in Indian politics, due to the Naxalites.
But then my understanding of Indian politics is sketchy at best.
Subsole
@mrmoshpotato:
I honestly hate those smarmy little media fucks more than I hate Trump.
Jinchi
I was thinking the same thing, but I was worried we’d all become dumber just from listening to the answer.
schrodingers_cat
@Subsole: They fancy themselves to be class warriors, Marxists and such. Twitter is not representative of the polity.
ETA: FWIW India not only has socialist parties but even communist parties, yes there is more than one. BJP is not dominant in all states. India is a large country.
PAM Dirac
@Chief Oshkosh:
It is very true that retrospective studies make it very difficult to control for choices that defined the different groups, but it is possible to do some analyses. This paper has over 50 other measurements associated with each patient and they did use this data to make an attempt to adjust for the condition of the patients in different groups.
From the paper:
It certainly doesn’t prove that the drugs led to worse outcomes, but it also doesn’t give you much confidence that drugs were doing anything useful.
Fair Economist
@VeniceRiley: I have been surprised how few shoppers I’m encountering at my local Albertson’s. It’s fewer than usual even though people should be buying more food at grocery stores overall. They’re closing at 9 and the store is almost empty by then. Normally there would be more than this at 11.
Jeffro
@mrmoshpotato: I dunno, but he keeps calling it the Invisible Enemy…you know, like a second-grader would…
I’m still waiting for the Dems to buy 10 minutes of airtime (or just offer up a babbling orange clown and get the airtime for free; it seems to work for the GOP) and walk the American public through ‘trumpov’s toolbox’
“When he gets all racist and stuff: that’s an indication he’s in mortal fear of losing part of his base/losing the election”
“When he calls a news report or political attack ‘boring’, that means it’s dead-on accurate and in any normal timeline, he would be forced to resign”
“When he attacks the news media [run Lesley Stahl clip of him explaining he does it to discredit their future stories]”
And so on…
Jeffro
@FelonyGovt: He can do whatever he wants…I would imagine that many of these workers can ask to work from home and/or take (quite a bit of) sick leave…
different-church-lady
@schrodingers_cat:
That’s true, but the problem is Twitter drives the media. A Twitter army can drive bullshit into the willing arms of mainstream outlets all too easily.
different-church-lady
@Fair Economist: Everyone’s moved to on-line ordering and home delivery.
Jeffro
@Elizabelle: Thanks!
So easy to see right through this desperate, deranged clown…
Jeffro
@Mandalay: Never. Again.
Seriously, where is the legislation (maybe the House has already passed it, and it’s sitting outside Mitch’s door?) that prohibits Congresspersons, Senators, and the president* from owning anything but blind trusts?
Divest/blind trust/whatever the technical term is by your swearing-in, or forfeit the office immediately to your opponent.
Goes for businesses, stocks, real estate, all of it.
raven
Here’s our mayor, really good dude.
mrmoshpotato
Probably.
schrodingers_cat
@different-church-lady: It does drive the media because most journalists are on Twitter 24/7. They have the blue ticks and huge followings.
Jerry
An April 6th Detroit Free Press article on state rep Karen Whitsett recovering from Covid-19:
Detroit rep says hydroxychloroquine, Trump helped save her life amid COVID-19 fight
Jinchi
Are we sure he’s talking about the coronavirus? Because whenever he says this:
I get the feeling he’s talking about a group of 5th columnists, led by Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and “that woman from Michigan”. I know most rational people would assume he was referring to the virus, but this would hardly be the first time that what Trump meant isn’t what every rational person assumed he meant.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@schrodingers_cat: twitter drives more than just the media. I think Biden’s the nominee because so many other top-line candidates fell into that trap of thinking that twitter volume (so to speak) and on-line name recognition meant widespread public support
J R in WV
@Subsole:
My brain is 69~! The rest of my body is….69 ~!!~
Holy Cow, Batman . . . I must be 69 already ~!!~ How the F’ did that happen?!?!?!?!
chopper
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
so trump has finally figured out a way to lower the number of government employees; force them to go back to the office and get covid.
WaterGirl
@Leto: Ugh, nightmares. Thanks for your service, now please don’t squeal too loudly when we use you as a guinea pig because that would make us look bad. Talk about conscription.
Omnes Omnibus
@Leto: Hey, you volunteered.
schrodingers_cat
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yep that’s why everyone from KH to EW ran to embrace the M4All idiocy.
debbie
@Heidi Mom:
I’ve been on hydroxychloroquine since 1987. Extreme nausea isn’t part of it. There was something going on Covid-related that resulted in that reaction in Rita Wilson.
In fact, I stopped taking it a couple of years ago. It took a couple of weeks before I started feeling any of the pains I’d started taking it for. I started taking it again and it took more than a month to start feeling better again.
All this talk about a miracle cure in 24 hours is clearly placebo only.
Also, has no one mentioned Trump’s an investor in the pharmaceutical producing Plaquenil?
Leto
@Omnes Omnibus: Haha <3
debbie
@Doug R:
And she’s a grandma! Grandmas always have good stuff to eat!
Calouste
@Doug R:
Also, if the cosplay communists on twitter knew any history (stop laughing!), they would know that the socialist parties in the late 19th-early 20th centuries pushed for parliamentarians to be paid, and to be paid fairly well, because before that time parliamentarians didn’t get paid, so only the rich could afford to be in parliament, not members of the working class or even the middle class.
So yes, someone who’s been in Congress for what is it, 40 years, should be able to afford a nice fridge and some ice cream.
Subsole
@J R in WV: Lol.
Also, Niice.
lgerard
Wayne LaPierre complaining that the NRA has lost 100 million due to ongoing legal problems bemoans the “power of weaponized government.”
You’ll take it from our cold dead hands asshole
Achrachno
@BR: I don’t know. I’m skeptical of the natural remedies because I doubt many of them have been tested properly. Elderberry, for example: the whole plant is dangerously toxic, except for the ripe fruits.
Omnes Omnibus
@Achrachno: Elderberries? For some reason they remind me of my mother.
Another Scott
@Omnes Omnibus:
Obligatory…
Cheers,
Scott.
randy khan
@Chief Oshkosh:
Or, put differently, there’s no evidence from controlled full-on studies that it provides any benefit.
Of course, randomized double-blind studies are the gold standard, and what you want to do when you can. But in the middle of pandemic, you don’t always get to make those kinds of choices, and when the studies that are done repeatedly show no apparent benefit, it’s not obvious why you should keep trying instead of moving on to other things.
My suspicion is that there may be some cohort of patients who might benefit – that’s really what the early studies that triggered Trump’s endorsement suggest – but that it’s not a sovereign cure or even something that will help most patients.
WaterGirl
@randy khan:
But we apparently have no idea what or who that is. Is this like the Salem witch trials?
If they drown they are witches?If they die, they didn’t deserve to live?Not directed at you. Directed at the sociopaths who are running the federal government.
pluky
@BR: How to use them safely might be understood, but “natural” <> “safe”. Mother Nature has some potentially nasty stuff in her pharmacopoeia. After all, ’tis the dose that makes the poison.