A few someones were lamenting earlier that they miss talking about politics. Well, here you go. I’m not even gonna try to get you started, but I will put in a picture of my bluebells that miraculously survived the 22 degree freeze.
I dare you to go 10 comments without talking about COVID. I might even double-dog dare you.
Just in case you thought you wanted to talk politics but you really didn’t, or the people who said that have all gone to bed already, you can consider this an open thread.
satby
At this point I hate politics, covid, and everything except watching happy animal rescue stories from the Dodo.
And I need to get to sleep.
Omnes Omnibus
NEOLIBERAL!!!!!ONE!!!ELEVEN!!!
Another Scott
Challenge Accepted!!
So, someone downstairs (Baud?) said we should discuss Loomis’s latest at LGM:
Really??
I don’t think so. Not astounding at all. Totally predictable. Easily.
Over to you.
Cheers,
Scott.
Yutsano
WHERE IS BIDEN???
zhena gogolia
Biden had a great ad that somebody posted on an earlier thread.
I just tried to find it by googling and all I got was “Biden ad attacked for being racist, xenophobic!” That refers to the previous ad, about China, which was not at all racist or xenophobic. I see google is really trying to help out.
satby
@Another Scott: nah, I’m so happy Wilmer’s out my deep antipathy has faded to strong dislike.
Another Scott
@satby: :-) I find myself not thinking about him much at all anymore. It’s nice!
Rest easy.
Cheers,
Scott.
Achrachno
Roy Zimmerman. “The Liar Tweets Tonight”
Amusing and political. And musical. Is that what’s needed?
New on YouTube and probably elsewhere.
West of the Rockies
An idiot and a moron and a Republican walk into a bar… But I repeat myself.
Another Scott
@zhena gogolia: It’s usually easy to find stuff like that directly on his twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/joebiden
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
zhena gogolia
@Another Scott:
I looked there first! “Easy” is a relative term.
zhena gogolia
Okay, you’re right, here it is. I didn’t scroll down far enough.
Off to bed!
satby
@Achrachno: my friend sent it to me: https://youtu.be/TkU1ob_lHCw
Omnes Omnibus
@Another Scott: McElwee had a really good point about the Democratic brand being strong and that it was a really bad idea to take shots at it. But then, as we have been saying here since the SC primary, Biden is the only candidate who took the right lesson from the last few elections.
piratedan
As we all hope that this too shall pass when it comes to the pandemic… I think that we’re all simply exhausted and want to return to a time when politics were boring.
West of the Rockies
@Achrachno:
Funny and musical, indeed!
WaterGirl
@Achrachno: That was most excellent!
Ruckus
@Another Scott:
The only thing that should have been astounding about that campaign is that our political landscape is so fucked up that someone with over 2 decades in DC and an entire platform that’s pure BS could actually get passion and votes. Of course there have always been people whose political views could be summed up as BS so that’s really nothing new. And it is astounding that some of his supporters want to write him in, possibly as a replacement for Jesus, especially as he’s been handed his ass twice now, in 4 years.
WaterGirl
@West of the Rockies: I couldn’t decide which I liked most. The young boys doing the “huh” part, when the dumpster was dressed up like the Lion King, or the couple that had the one dance move they did all the way through.
I always did love that song.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Another Scott:
Speaking of that thread what do you think of this argument re: M4A vs public option:
Which was in response to the top comment of that thread on LGM:
WaterGirl
Dems in disarray!
WaterGirl
@piratedan: When was the last time politics was boring?
dexwood
@Yutsano: In his secret lab, workin’ on a cure. Can’t tell if your question is serious or snarky. Such are the times. Frankly, I think his staff is just trying to keep him uninfected, alive, and ready to roll. These days, however, communication being what it is, he should be out there hammering The Orange Plague from all directions. His campaign has done some good ads, but the country needs to see him every fucking day going after trump’s insanity.
Good night, Balloon Juice.
WaterGirl
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Personally, I could care less about M4A vs. the public option.
I want the best one that can pass in Congress!
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ruckus:
In their minds, he was “robbed” by the evil establishment neolib DNC both times. BS of course
They should ask themselves why he was never able to get AA support among the primary electorate both times. I’ve seen real pictures of young POC voters/supporters of his on the campaign’s subreddit. They do exist. Just not enough to make a difference
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: Can we fight about whether Loomis is worth reading or not?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Yep, I don’t really give a fuck about the details – that what Mayhew and that prig Anderson are for. Get universal healthcare at a reasonable price and that’s all I care about.
Another Scott
@Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, if one is running for the Democratic nomination, especially, it makes sense to not yell about how horrible the party is…
I’m not really sure what the best lessons one should take from this set of candidates and their campaigns. The winner was almost broke, and was almost written off early on, and performed poorly in early contests. Others had their moments and either were written off by the political press or ran out of money or … I guess the main lesson is:
We had a lot of good candidates this time. Some were probably too young and too inexperienced (Mayor Pete, HUD Sec. Castro); lots didn’t have national visibility; several had to continuously fight extraneous issues (family heritage stories; stabbing colleagues in the back; throwing staplers); and of course the billionaires had to show up to suck out of the attention out of the room with their gigantic egos…
Things might have turned out very differently if there were only 4-5 candidates rather than ~ 20. We’ll see what happens in 2028!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@WaterGirl:
Pretty much the same. I just want something that is better than what we have, but we have to win first.
I think a public option is a good first step in any case
West of the Rockies
@WaterGirl:
So let’s assume it comes to pass… Trump is voted out. What do you jackyls suppose happens then? Will he face:
mrmoshpotato
@Another Scott: Oh yeah, because he ran a great campaign in 2016! No pouty ratfucking to see here! /S
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh yeah. Definitely. I always fucking hated the Sanders campaign’s “30% plurality path to victory” strategy. A good campaign should try to unite the party, not be all, “Fuck you, bend the knee”. It was divisive and we dodged a bullet by not nominating him.
And honestly? It smacks of authoritarianism and is anti-democratic.
I still can’t get over how they thought it was a good idea to piss all over the party they were trying to win the nomination of.
mrmoshpotato
If you tell me I’m the only one who read that as “blueballs,” I will call you a liar. :)
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Well, what do I know, I was just the guy shouting that there were still four Democrats running when a plurality here was trying to decide whether Sanders and Bloomberg was the lesser of two evils.
Ohio Mom
Loomis’s history pieces — the gravesite and labor history ones — are interesting, if often too long for me.
Generally, there isn’t much at LGM that I haven’t heard about here first, and a lot of their commentators are kinda mean-spirited. I don’t go there as much as I used to.
On another note, while Biden was not my first, second, third, and after that I stopped counting choice, he has grown on me tremendously.
Because it looks like I can trust him to run a strong campaign and win (my other choices obviously could not run strong campaigns). That’s my bottom line, getting Trump o-u-t. There really anything to add to that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
as one of those someones…. Covid and politics are not mutually exclusive. To wit, trump was bloviating today about how horrible it is that Harvard, with their $40B endowment were applying for relief money. Fredo was tweeting about it.
The Beast claims to be worth $10B, and he’s bidding for TAX PAYER DOLLARS to keep his business afloat (NYT):
he leading with his chin, every Dem pol and surrogate ought to be taking the opportunity to hammer this every time they’re asked about the relief packages
Jinchi
@West of the Rockies: 1 and 2 please.
WaterGirl
@mrmoshpotato: I would never call you a liar! But I would have thought that WaterGIRL might have provided a clue that I couldn’t have that particular problem. :-)
Another Scott
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Bernie’s M4A never made any sense to me. It wasn’t Medicare. Medicare doesn’t pay for everything. Medicare controls costs by not paying for a bunch of stuff, and is part of the reason why people need supplemental policies.
A public option doesn’t have to be related to Medicare at all – it can simply be a baseline insurance policy that the government will pay for via premiums. Or it could be a stepping stone to something truly universal that helps to control costs. It depends on how it’s set up and so forth.
Progress in government and politics is always incremental. M4A was a pipedream, especially as Bernie demanded it. (Warren showed a way to make it happen, but the politics to make it happen quickly like that just aren’t there – still – and won’t be there even after this depression. It’s too big a leap to make all at once, especially when so much more needs to be done at the same time.)
In my world-of-the-possible, come January 2021, a bill to quickly fix the major problems with affordability under Obamacare are addressed (more people qualifying for $0 policies that cover enough of real-people’s costs). Then problems and long-standing issues with Medicaid and Medicare are address. Then, finally, carefully constructed bills to allow people to buy-into Medicare (or Medicaid) at ever younger ages are proposed to let people discuss and argue over. And well before November 2022 the good bills pass and take effect in a reasonable time frame.
Stuff like that.
And the voters are happy and Democrats win larger majorities and even more good stuff – finally – happens!!
Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: He thought it was a metaphor.
WaterGirl
West of the Rockies:
I think #1 could happen at the state level. #2 depends on the next few months. He’s already doing the last part of #3. I’m gonna have to go with #4 with a side of #1.
Brachiator
Politics seems another universe away.
I guess I should not be surprised that some of Sanders supporters just will not face reality. But I cannot indulge their foolishness.
I would like to see states uniformly make this November election day. And maybe look into making vote by mail seamlessly easy.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: You are probably right.
hueyplong
Ha ha, a nostalgic F Wilmer thread.
Seems so long ago.
Can’t wait until we also get to think that about another guy.
Jinchi
Biden was my seventh choice, but I always thought we had about a dozen strong candidates.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: I usually am.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Right?
Remember the arguments back in 2016 on here? I remember Berniebros trying to argue that nobody cares about Sanders not being an actual Democrat. That it was a nothingburger non-issue.
Surprise, they were full of shit
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: As I said downstairs, I’ve only read him and/or LGM about 3 times in the last 20 years. So I’m not a good person to pick sides. But I certainly wasn’t impressed with that sentence!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Redshift
In other politics news, apparently Trump has succeeded in choosing priorities in dealing with covid that over-65’s are against 6-1, and Biden currently leads Trump by nine points among seniors. He probably won’t win then by that much in November, but if the GOP thinks “the economy is more important than your life” is a winner, who am I to argue?
Mai naem mobile
I hope there are some Senate and House Dem staff and members meeting and setting up some solid plans on what to do when Biden wins. I am not counting my eggs already being hatched but with the way the GOP and the whole rw machine works you have to hit the ground running and get whatever you want passed in the first 6 months and maybe some lower priority stuff the following 3 months. After that the Dems will no doubt be tea partied and accomplish nothing in 2022. And,jeezus christ enough on the M4All/Public Option/Single Payer. Get whatever the fuck you can pass and,please please, don’t let the GOP waste a year and half like they did on the ACA. Fuckers dragged out the ACA so that the Dems couldn’t move onto anything else. We have to learn from these mistakes.
Patricia Kayden
I can testify to this.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
The situation we find ourselves in is that the details of the plans aren’t nearly as important as the people who would implement the policies. Medicare for all with aRepublican administration sounds like a horror show to me. The ACA with Republicans was sabotaged and is still in jeopardy, but at least women could access contraception and abortion because the evil profit motivated corporations are in the mix.
Who we elect matters more than the plans.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: When I wrote that, I nearly added: “and not for the first time.” But I didn’t want it to go to your head.
Starfish
@Another Scott: I think it is important to be deeply disappointed in Sanders and the way he ran his campaign. If we are not, he will get to continue with the complete lack of accountability for anything that he maintained throughout the whole campaign.
Ohio Mom
I’ve been on Medicare for almost two months now. It’s a mess of a kludge.
One thing that is already obvious to me is that it is a mistake to have the drug plan separate (Yes, I know the history behind that).
Your doctor could want one med for you, at a particular dose, but the drug plan has no financial interest in keeping you healthy. It’s not like they are going to be paying for the procedure that could have been avoided with a different medication or dose.
It’s also nuts that midway through the year you could acquire a medical condition that needs a med that isn’t on your Drug Plan’s formulary.
Anyway, Medicare for All might sound good but what I’d rather have is traditional Medicaid. But I’ll be happy with whatever improvement Democrats are able to eke out.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: I was really just trying to provide a platform for people who were longing for the old days of political discussions.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Another Scott:
Agreed
WaterGirl
@Patricia Kayden: At least it’s not pay per view!
Starfish
@West of the Rockies: Impoverishment due to asset seizure from tax crimes.
Starfish
@Ohio Mom: I like all the union history pieces at LGM.
ziggy
@West of the Rockies: Rapid physical and psychological decline. Like the day he went to the CDC and wet his pants, but worse. Actually I cannot wait for the day I NEVER have to think about him again.
WaterGirl
@Starfish: I would vote for that, but I hope if we get to vote on what happens to him that we get to “check all that apply”.
I am going for all of the above.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: No need to worry.
Viva BrisVegas
Trump goes back to Plan A, which was Trump TV.
The Presidency was always Plan B.
Trump TV will of course be (indirectly) underwritten by Putin.
Trump uses the scam to pay lawyers to appeal every case to the highest court available without ever seeing the inside of a cell before he dies.
Mai naem mobile
@West of the Rockies: prosecution and prison for him and at least his son in law. Possibly his daughter. I say prison because my guess is he’s going to be prosecuted in NY and the jury will not look kindly at him. Also if the GOP loses big in November they’re going to deny that he was even a Republican. He won’t go quietly. He’ll be whining like a whiny little bitch all the way. I can’t wait to see the perp watch. I don’t hate people easy but I hate this man and his odious family and enablers. Really all around ugly ugly people.
Raoul
McConnell is suddenly concerned about the deficit again. My, what a surprise.
Also, I now suspect that his team was shopping this shit to reporters the past week, since both NYT and WaPo suddenly did deficit-scold articles in the past few days.
I don’t know why Dems suck so bad at this, but it’s infuriating.
Eric U.
I didn’t want Biden to run because I was convinced he would screw it up again. But he ran a smart campaign in his own way.
Omnes Omnibus
@Raoul: Suck so bad at what?
BruceFromOhio
I finally RTFM on the rototiller I borrowed from my brother-in-law, and tilled two nice 10×20 plots. Earlier than I planned, but it was a dry spell, and after the spring here in the Buckeye, that’s a thing. I let the infernal contraption do all the work while I tried not to trod the tilled soil too much, it was still really wet down under. Now the soil has sat all day with a cold, dry wind blowing, and the robins hunting for survivors. It looks awesome, I can’t wait to make it go. MrsFromOhio just keeps looking out the window, sighing and smiling. That alone is worth the sweat equity. And I didn’t fuck up my back this time, either. Double bonus.
Raoul
@Redshift: I just want to ad one word and a tiny bit of punctuation to that WaPo headline.
Is Trump losing it, seniors?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@WaterGirl:
Is PPV even still a thing? I know it was big with boxing back in the day. On-Demand and later streaming replaced PPV
khead
@Ohio Mom:
I tend to think of BJ and LGM as companion pieces – but I only comment here. Because jackals, FWIW.
Raoul
@Omnes Omnibus: Deficits, debt, and the messaging around them.
They do not fucking matter, but too many DC Dems still act like they do. It’s why McConnell is deploying this now.
Dems should laugh derisively and in unison. But at least a third of the Dems in Congress will wring their hands about long term challenges, tradeoffs, etc.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Raoul:
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’d also like to know
BruceFromOhio
@Ohio Mom: Loomis is a treasure. Ignore the commentariat, pedants rule that roost. All the FP’ers there are great – Lemieux, Campos, Farley, Loomis – and are all pissed off like I am. I love that place.
ETA: Not like I love this place. Only Vacuumslayer is posting recipes at LGM. BJ’ers have recipe dimensions. There is a distinction.
Ohio Mom
Starfish: The labor history pieces are certainly something you won’t find anywhere else. And it’s good and important to be reminded that the history of unions is something of a long, drawn-out civil war, still in process today (though our side appears mightily defeated).
I just wish Loomis had an editor to tighten up some of the longer digressions.
West of the Rockies
@ziggy:
I think he will decline fast. He’s a blown-out fat ass who’s had a bad diet for decades. I hope Watergirl is right about at least state prosecution (I think it was WG). It will speed up the decline. I’d like to see them all go out like the Nazis at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Raoul:
I thought deficits didn’t matter when the president was a Republican?
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: Whoops. Reading my reply to you was quite ambiguous. I’m happy you started this thread – sometimes (not often, but sometimes!) it’s hard to find a timely one to post political stuff in.
I wasn’t impressed with the Loomis sentence I quoted. ;-)
Thanks for all you do for us here!!
Cheers,
Scott.
MomSense
I gave my son a haircut, only with clippers. I was afraid to do it after seeing so many disasters, but his hair was getting really long and bothering him. For context, his hair is a lot like Kit Harrington except he might even have more of it.
It came out really well. His friends even liked it. We are both relieved.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Raoul:
how many R Senators would break with McConnell after they did that?
BruceFromOhio
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Laying the groundwork for the inevitable.
Raoul
Interest rates are going to be fuck-all for years to come. And if they eventually aren’t, we can just inflate our way out of the problem. But the Dem leadership is old enough to still be scarred by Carter-era stagflation.
To hell with all that when unemployment is skyrocketing and states are facing fiscal armageddon. This is McConnell’s real target: he doesn’t want to bail out blue states — nor red, one supposes — and his stand is mean to screw over the deficit-constrained states, gives him insane leverage. << That’s what I mean about Dems sucking at this.
Also, a good nostalgic thread about politics around here has to have some ‘dems suck’ whining. Happy to provide. :0
WaterGirl
@Mai naem mobile: I read “prosecution and prison” as “prosecution and poison” and I was like “a little harsh, maybe, but not undeserved!”
Yutsano
@dexwood: I guess my snark wasn’t clear. I was mocking one of our resident BernueBros whi thinks Biden has completely disappeared from the national discourse because President Toadface has been sucking up all the media oxygen. Biden has been out there, releasing ads and giving interviews and such. But it’s low lever right now because it has to be. Dolt45 is making mistakes right and left. We should keep letting him while saving as many lives as possible.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ohio Mom:
I agree with you about the commenters being mean-spirited on LGM. Above all else, I get tired of the almost constant eeyorism that’s sometimes on display on LGM’s comments. It gets tiring.
I see a lot of names on there that used to comment here
BruceFromOhio
@mrmoshpotato: You got me shifting uncomfortably in my chair, if that counts.
mrmoshpotato
@WaterGirl: Oh, so you’re certain there’s no flower called blueballs?
WaterGirl
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I didn’t mean literal Pay for View. I meant it’s a good thing they aren’t charging by the show, with all the people who are watching a lot more than usual.
Raoul
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The same number that will break from him now: zero.
Ohio Mom
BrucefromOhio: Pendants is a good way to describe them.
And now it’s tome for my evening ablutions. Night all!
Omnes Omnibus
@Ohio Mom: Pendants?
WaterGirl
@MomSense: Clippers like what Cole used, or one might use on their dog? Not scissors? How would you even start with clippers?
Quite impressive that it worked out!
WaterGirl
@Yutsano: You were doing the same thing I was with my “Dems in disarray!” and “can we fight about whether Loomis is worth reading or not?”
Just conversation starters. :-)
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: I laughed out loud. After I went back to check to see the original spelling. Really loud!
WaterGirl
‘Night all.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@BruceFromOhio:
Tea Party 3.0 in 2022
@WaterGirl:
Oh. Definitely, yeah. Unless you have Amazon Fire TV, and what you want to watch isn’t on Prime. Can’t win em all
: )
MomSense
@WaterGirl:
They are technically people clippers, but I got them to shave my Maine Coon cat years ago. Kid was so desperate he didn’t care.
WaterGirl
@mrmoshpotato: I may have to try to get that one started. I’ll look around the yard and see if I can find a good candidate. Common names for flowers have to start somewhere, am I right?
Okay, now it’s really bedtime.
Delk
I bought some plaid face masks today. The colors are based on Kate Bush’s The Kick Inside album cover.
Jay
mrmoshpotato
@BruceFromOhio: haha
Another Scott
Reuters:
(Emphasis added.)
The House will pass this $484B bill on Thursday.
Moscow Mitch whining about Teh Deficit is just a way for him to try to stall the 5th bill.
Earlier today I posted a pointer to an AEI white paper that estimated that COVxx-19 will put a $9T hole in the economy (based on various assumptions that have poor estimates at present – it could be much worse). The US Government is going to have to spend a mountain of money, and Moscow Mitch isn’t going to stop it. Spending it sooner will help much more than spending it later…
Cheers,
Scott.
joel hanes
Back in the golden age of blogging, when Cole was still a Republican war-blogger, the internet was graced by a blog written by Echidne Of The Snakes, a minor Greek goddess.
She’s still blogging.
She’s still good.
Here she explains the method behind Trump’s “I’m halting all immigration” madness:
http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/
randy khan
@Another Scott:
A lot of politicians have one trick – for instance, in Mitch McConnell’s case, it’s saying no – and they aren’t great at adapting when it’s not enough. Sanders, it turns out, is one of those politicians. He wasn’t capable of turning his advantage after two caucuses and a primary into a majority because he really wasn’t capable of adapting to, let alone planning for, the requirements of being the frontrunner. I think a lot of people who follow politics and are smart about how getting elected works in a broad-based party find that surprising because they can see what’s necessary and they don’t understand why the politicians don’t.
In some ways, the worst thing that could have happened to Sanders is what happened in 2016. He ran much closer to Clinton than anyone expected (although still not that close), and he may have read that as meaning the party was shifting his way (possibly along with drinking some of his own Kool-Aid about the primaries being rigged). So he may not have thought he needed to adapt, and that he’d get the brass ring by doing what he did. Or maybe – and this is what I think – he never was capable of what needed to be done.
randy khan
@dexwood:
There’s a saying in politics (and elsewhere): When your opponent is burying himself, don’t get in the way.
randy khan
@WaterGirl:
I like LGM, including Loomis (and its commentariat). It’s definitely a different flavor than here, but I can get my pet blogging and home renovation needs met here and find other satisfactions there.
Matt McIrvin
@Another Scott:
He will stop it the moment a Democrat becomes President. It’s the ransom-note argument for voting Republican: if a Republican isn’t President, the Republicans in Congress will intentionally throttle any economic recovery.
Citizen Alan
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Why? It’s what Trump did and it fucking worked! Every mistake the Berniacs made that we are rightly mocking them for was something that Trump did on his road to winning the nomination, and it always worked! The mistake the Bros made was in believing their own dogma about how there was no real difference between Democrats and Republicans and thus assuming that Bernie’s Democratic opponents would be as craven as Shitgibbon’s GOP opponent and would stay in the race to the bitter end so that no anti-Bernie would coalesce.
danielx
@Omnes Omnibus:
Hear, hear – good basic benefits with various options, or something. AND some sort of dental coverage, which many people lack.
Apropos of nothing whatever, and apologies if someone has mentioned this already – but has anyone noticed that this country, which “can’t afford to provide universal health care”, has just gone into trillions of debt without blinking an eye? A lot of which, depend on it, will vanish into the pockets of various scoundrels one way or another. How much would universal health care cost, again? Starting to look like a bargain at any price, to me anyway.
This may well be the last Republican bust-out opportunity, and best believe they will, and are, looting like there’s not going to be a tomorrow. Which for them, politically, might well be the case. The whole situation is tailor-made for massive corruption, so why not get what they can, while they can?
danielx
@West of the Rockies:
Do we have to pick just one?
Omnes Omnibus
Because outside of the rarefied confines of left leaning blogs, most Democrats actually like and are loyal to the Democratic Party.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
now here’s a campaign I can believe in
Brachiator
@Another Scott:
Things will get very interesting for 2021 and beyond.
The last big tax bill created deficits for years to come. The $2 trillion emergency bill also included additional massive corporate tax cuts. But the GOP is already teeing up their bullshit about how we just must cut entitlement spending.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Citizen Alan:
Trump was also running for the party nomination with most primaries winner take all.
Jinchi
I’ll be right with you if the Democrats actually fall for it, but I’m going to wait for them to screw up before attacking them for doing it. It seems to me that in the last few years, after the $1 trillion, billionaire tax cut and the rapidly increasing budget deficits under Trump-McConnell, Democrats finally caught on to the scam.
Calouste
@Another Scott: It can be astounding that Sanders didn’t learn any lessons from 2016, but it was also completely predictable. One thing it certainly wasn’t was surprising.
cckids
If you’re seriously looking, he does a ?bi-weekly or weekly podcast, called “Here’s the Deal”. There are 5 or 6 episodes so far; guests are people like Amy Klobuchar, Rev. Dr. William Barber, Jon Meacham or Gretchen Whitmer. The first one is a little rough, but Biden has improved rapidly, and they are all interesting. His basic decency really comes through, and he relishes getting solid hits in on Trump.
I wish it was getting more play, his communications team needs to get in gear.
Uncle Cosmo
@mrmoshpotato: To the tune of Tom Lehrer’s “New Math”:
:^p
chopper
@Another Scott:
yeah, it’s only ‘astounding’ to people who weren’t paying any attention at all to sanders’ entire campaign.
chopper
@Matt McIrvin:
exactly. it’s the same playbook as 2009. there can be no growth or success under a democrat. full stop.
J R in WV
@West of the Rockies:
Why not all four? Seriously, in trouble with the law, how can he not be? He breaks the law like most people breathe.
Fox won’t invite him back once he loses the White House AND the Senate AND the House. They aren’t interested in losers, and that’s what he will be late next November.
I would think he will hesitate to do anything really dramatic once he’s lost the election. Losing will be really hard on him, but I don’t think we’ll get that lucky. But he should be aware that he is no longer invulnerable to investigation, indictment, criminal court, etc.
He could be impeached again, say in November as soon as a new set of legislators take their places — I would have to look up the dates, but I would think even Republican Senators would have to consider what to do about an impeached loser… he could lose his pension, even! So sad for baby Trump!