The answer, always, is pigshit.
Anyway, I thought this was an interesting round-up of the latest Iowa State U poll. They re-poll former respondents to get an idea where people are changing. The gist is that Bernie leads this poll, and there are two factors to his growing support. The first is that his supporters stick with him. The second is that former supporters of candidates who dropped out, and Warren supporters, switch to him.
Pete also took a dump in this poll, consistent with what pigs do in the confinement operations that dot the state. Speaking of the good Mayor, I don’t think anyone’s posted this gem yet:
I’m about to puke up my breakfast reading that. Sometimes he reminds me of the smart only child with no friends who mainly talks with adults, and parrots talking points he heard on the Sunday shows.
Baud
Kamala? Castro? Booker? Inslee? Tim Ryan? Marianne?
All of their supporters in Iowa were miniscule.
chopper
“the heartland”, eh? so klobuchar, warren, etc? okay!
Azhrie139
@Baud: This isn’t a coherent thought.
Even if they were all at 1% support when they dropped out (they weren’t) that would still add up a bit of a shift in support.
schrodingers_cat
M^2 sounds positively giddy because his hero is ahead in the polls. If BS doesn’t win Iowa how many posts can we expect telling us how he wuz robbed by the evil DNC? I predict about 5.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Baud: I just looked through the crosstabs (that’s linked from the article on the poll I linked above) and they didn’t publish the movement analysis, so his quotes are all we have on that.
Baud
@Azhrie139:
You caused me to click over. Souds like most of his gains are at Warren’s expense.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@chopper:
Yeah, I thought it was a stirring argument for either or them.
Hildebrand
The Bernie climb absolutely confounds me – it is the political embodiment of the underpants gnomes:
1. Old man has heart attack
2. ???
3. Surge in the polls!!
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Hildebrand: I really don’t get the Warren->Bernie movement. She had a strong organization in Iowa, by all accounts. Her positions are very similar to Bernie’s. She’s a better candidate overall, and she’s my first choice. But here we are.
Highway Rob
Tough but fair, but on the other hand, me from 30 years ago just went to his room to hide.
Chris Johnson
Neat: Warren’s pretty closely tied in the ‘first or second choice’ part and kicks Bernie’s ass in the ‘DO NOT WANT’ section. I’m surprised to see Biden leading the ‘DO NOT WANT’, but I guess it’s a college poll in Iowa?
Looks encouraging. I mean, apart from the ‘woo Bernie’ aspect, which I figure owes a lot to ratfuckery. If Warren is still doing that well when I KNOW she’s getting slimed by Russia (baselessly) about as hard as they can go, that’s encouraging. I can’t really look at lefty forums anymore as they’re so carpeted in Russian propaganda.
dnfree
That Mayor Pete quote is exactly what my Republican representatives in rural Illinois say. Also I think of Sarah Palin and her “real” Americans.
Steeplejack
I am sick of the Iowa caucus-industrial complex. Isn’t it like the state’s third-leading industry now?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Because what Pete, the Midwest is the only part of the country that matters? Nothing says the future like a lifestyle that slowly going away?
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@dnfree:
Pete says a lot of things that could just as well come out of some Republican’s cakehole. His comment about billionaire’s kids using free college tuition is another one. Who cares if a billionaire’s kid does that after they paid a fair tax rate like the rest of us?
dnfree
Also, it took me a minute to figure out why Pete talked to adults and parrots.
LC
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix:
Sadly, I think it is the power of negative campaigning.
I mean, the attacks on her from the hard core Bernie crowd are relentless, and I suspect that people who want the overall policy goals are just switching to “the winner” since they just want someone from the progressive side in contention.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Steeplejack: Yes, I believe it is:
Source – a guy who’s driven through Iowa a few times.
Just One More Canuck
I didn’t see any breakdown of how many people in each age group, ethnic group, education levels, etc, were included in the Q poll (I could have missed it – if someone spots it, thank you). Therefore, how useful is this poll? For example, it shows Bernie with a huge lead among younger voters, but younger voters don’t vote at the same rate as everyone else (census.gov says in 2018, 18-34 were at 36%, but 35-44, 45-64 and 65+ were 49%, 60%, and 66% respectively). If we don’t know how many people were in each category, we can’t draw any meaningful conclusions.
JMG
For a person with an interesting life story, Pete sure is a boring candidate. His ads on TV here in Boston could be for any candidate in any race from registrar of deeds on up.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@dnfree:
I added a much-needed comma, thanks.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Just One More Canuck:
The crosstabs don’t break out support by age:
https://civiqs.com/documents/Civiqs_ISU_banner_book_2020_01_cg3q62ypb43uz6bb.pdf
Crashman06
@mistermix I thought Ed at Gin and Tacos had an insightful post on how Dem party leadership should start thinking of, and planning for, a potential Bernie surge. It’s here if you’re interested. An excerpt:
Patricia Kayden
@dnfree: Yeah. I’m tired of hearing that some Americans are more real or more valued than others. There’s something racist about that kind of thinking imho. We’re all Americans regardless of where in the U.S. we live. I hope Mayor Pete is getting dragged for that ridiculous tweet.
Baud
@Crashman06:
Jesus, that’s just as dumb as the Bros who spread conspiracy theories about the DNC rigging the 2016 primary.
Just One More Canuck
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix:
thanks – the poll I was looking at was the Quinnipiac poll that was linked to in the Buttigieg tweet, not the Iowa State poll in your post – my apologies. I get suspicious of polls that don’t give enough detail.
“Probably not”?
Crashman06
@Baud: Did you read it in full? I thought it was an interesting thought exercise.
Baud
@Crashman06:
I just read your excerpt.
Omnes Omnibus
I have to say that Buttigieg is turning out to be a nothingburger as a national candidate. He is obviously very intelligent and the kind of person who can with in local elections in a red state. He hasn’t shown that he is ready to go beyond mayor yet. Time will tell and he has plenty of that. But for now, meh.
PenAndKey
@Patricia Kayden: Hell, I’m from the midwest and this type of talk bugs the hell out of me. My vote shouldn’t be worth more, or sought more, than that of any other voter. That goes triple for my parochial redneck neighbors.
As for Buttigieg, he’s always struck me as a cardboard cut-out politician. If any of you are familiar with Futurama and remember the episode where two identical clones are debating for president against each other while doing nothing but offering contrived platitudes and different wordings of the same promises that is what he reminds me of. If you wanted a politician to follow a script generated by an AI you’d get one that sounds a lot like him.
Omnes Omnibus
@PenAndKey: You can say that all you want and I agree with you. But, and this is important, my vote should count more that all others.
PenAndKey
@Omnes Omnibus: As long as you’re a benevolent overlord I guess we can allow it.
Crashman06
@PenAndKey: Buttigieg feels inauthentic and at this time and place in politics, I think people are really attuned to sniffing that out and rejecting it.
oldster
I started off with a lot of good will towards Buttigieg, but he keeps saying things that piss me off — as though he is auditioning for a gig being the next liberal punching bag on Fox News. All mealy-mouthed centrism, no grit, no fight.
I haven’t given up on him entirely — like someone said upthread, he’s got a long future, and maybe he’ll learn. But if all he learns is how to regurgitate Republican talking points in an ineffectual way, then I hope he stays out of national politics.
A Ghost To Most
Fuck Corporate Pete. He’s the political version of the band Journey.
Omnes Omnibus
@PenAndKey: Ha! You fell into my fiendish trap. Every vote should count the same – even that of the pig-fucking idiots (god help us). The important thing is that every vote should be counted and every citizen allowed to vote.
Jinchi
Apparently it’s the New York Time’s turn to give us a quiz to figure out who to vote for. I actually took this one just to see what NYT considers the 10 defining questions of the race and was surprised at how odd they were,
Not a lot of deal breakers and some of them were so open-ended that I could imagine answering either way, but I laughed at this one:
Let me see, Pete is gay, Yang is Asian, Warren and Klobuchar are women (sorry Tulsi wasn’t included), even Bloomberg and Sanders squeak through when you remember they’re Jewish, so that leaves… Biden and Steyer as the only ones ruled out?
Heck we’re going to make history even if Biden (first octogenarian president) or Steyer (first actual billionaire) make the cut.
Betty Cracker
I attribute the Sanders surge to 1) a hardcore base of support that has never wavered (huge built-in advantage even though it’s a relatively small part of the party), and 2) a gag reflex to the prospect of a Biden candidacy. My hope is everyone’s stomach settles and Warren gets another look. We’ll see.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Crashman06:
He’s right that if Dems picked a Sanders alternative and united around that person, Sanders would lose. But, that’s so much easier said than done (which he acknowledges).
I think the reason why a unity candidate is hard is that Biden, the most obvious choice, is not the guy for a lot of Democrats. Look at the graph at the bottom of the story I linked above. Biden is #1 on the “do not want” list, Sanders is #2. Hard to tell how many of those folks are anti-Sanders, but there have to be supporters of other candidates in the mix. So it’s going to be hard to have a unity candidate that’s appealing to the broader Democratic electorate.
The Moar You Know
@PenAndKey: John Jackson and Jack Johnson. Futurama never got the credit it deserved.
PenAndKey
@Omnes Omnibus: What floors me is that the whole “one person, one vote” concept was absolutely central to every civics class I had in my neck of rural Wisconsin. It’s not a foreign concept. But as soon as farmers find out they might actually be outvoted by city dwellers suddenly the “but we’re a REPUBLIC!” screams come out in force.
I’m fairly confident that watching the GOP rely on EC ratfuckery and the myth of the “sacred patriotic middle america” to steal two of the last 3 presidencies is why I’m as political as I am. As far as I’m concerned we’ve only had a legitimately elected president for a little over 40% of my voting life
@The Moar You Know: And this is why I stick around. You’re my people, even when I make obscure geek references. :)
Jay C
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned here, but we’ve just had a – umm, somewhat unique – take on the outbreak and spread of the Novel Coronavirus in China from
noted epidemiologistSec’y of Commerce Wilbur Ross. Not that we should think he’s gloating over anyone’s misfortune or anything, he does spare a few words of sympathy for the virus’s victims – but he highlights the silver lining to this epidemic: it may help bring jobs back to the USNo, seriously: he actually said this.
Omnes Omnibus
@PenAndKey: What’s your neck of rural Wi? If you don’t mid sharing. Mine’s Marathon and Portage Counties.
Steeplejack
@JMG:
I would definitely vote for Buttigieg for registrar of deeds.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Well, that’s what anyone reading newspapers or watching TV news would think. Apparently the millions of us that live on the coasts or anyplace that’s not overwhelmingly white and somewhat rural do not matter. Same as after the election in 2016/early 2017. I swear if I had to see one more interview with disaffected/”economically anxious”/Heartland voters on why they voted for Trump my head was going to explode.
I am really sick Iowa (and their decidedly undemocratic caucuses) and New Hampshire voting first.
Full disclosure, I am an almost 60, middle class, CIS, straight, white woman who voted for Obama, Obama and Hillary and was going to vote for Harris until she dropped out and has switched to Warren. The thought of Bernie winning the nomination makes me pissed off, but I would vote for him in the general if it came to that.
Right now I am donating to any DEM running for a Senate seat that we have any prayer of flipping. I also have to see if any Governor-ships are open this year (people forget New Hampshire, Vermont and Massachusetts ALL have Republican governors)
schrodingers_cat
@Patricia Kayden: He has been saying it the debates too. Somehow living in the middle of the continent imbues you with goodness and honesty. My town and some of the neighboring towns predate the revolution by almost 100 years or more. Our town cemetery has dead from all the wars United States has fought. It was also an abolitionist stronghold. What makes the Midwest more special?
PenAndKey
@Jay C: Well, that’s about what I’d expect from someone who is clearly an amoral sociopath and one of the most corrupt people in an otherwise fully corrupt administration. He’s also the same guy who said the following:
Someone with a healthy psychology wouldn’t have even entertained that line of thinking.
@Omnes Omnibus: The La Crosse/Jackson county area. I’m pretty sure you’ve got me beat in the redneck quotient up there, if only by a little.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Jinchi: I posted a WaPo one the other day that everyone hated. I guess I have a higher tolerance than most for those kinds of quizzes. First, anything that talks issues, even if flawed, focuses on the right thing. Second, the differences between the candidates are small compared to the differences between them and Trump, so their attempts to distingush the candidates often sound silly or forced.
Still, if you take it with a big grain of salt, with such a big field, if a candidate you never considered rises to the top of your quiz, it’s probably worth a look.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Jay C: Oh my FSM, he is such a moron. Is there any Trump appointee who is not a complete ass? (rhetorical question)
geg6
Just goes to show that, yes, we Dems have many things we can agree upon and we can come together. Because you and I don’t agree on much, but we are simpatico on this.
Hildebrand
@Betty Cracker: I hope that the less toxic of the Bernie supporters realize that they get everything they want, without all the baggage, in Warren.
Baud
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix:
I have to wonder how many of the Biden Do-Not-Wants are Bernie supporters though.
Crashman06
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix: Yes, it’s a tough situation. Whoever comes out on top, I worry about reconciling both wings of the party. Maybe I’m overthinking it.
Baud
@Hildebrand:
That was my hope early on. Wasn’t to be, it seems.
Jinchi
Me too. And it’s the intentional hippie punching that annoys me. I wouldn’t care if Pete were selling the moral values he learned growing up in South Bend, but this “Real America” vs. the coastal elite BS is pretty offensive to the majority of us who didn’t grow up in a small town in the midwest.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Baud:
Yep, not in the crosstabs. My guess is it’s more than Bernie people, though – a good number of Warren supporters have views that aren’t Bidens.
Chris Johnson
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix:
Biden is not a unity candidate. Biden is a ‘safety and don’t rock the boat’ candidate, to the extent that he can be baited into some ridiculous gotchas (who the hell asks a Dem candidate if they would pick a Republican veep, WHILE the Republicans are going full traitor/fascist? Someone trying to fuck the Dem who understands the guy will fall for it, that’s who)
Biden is as far from being a unity candidate as Tulsi Gabbard.
Oh, sorry, according to the ‘UH NOPE’ section of the poll, Biden is slightly farther from being a unity candidate (in Iowa colleges, in fairness) than Tulsi Gabbard. That’s horrifying, especially since we have got to turn out the youngs this time around.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Jinchi:
I had this in the post but I thought it was too long and deleted it:
You know what would have been a fine tweet, not a great one, but still not infuriating? Something like “I’ll bring heartland values to Washington to replace the mobster values of the Trump family.” or something like that. Something a Democrat would say, not a “moderate” Republican.
Steeplejack
@Hildebrand:
They don’t think Sanders has any baggage. It’s just people being mean to him!
Jinchi
It’s because Biden will fall for it that I’m worried he isn’t the “safe” candidate either.
WaterGirl
@Chris Johnson: not a single candidate is a unity candidate.
Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
@Chris Johnson:
Just to be clear, the poll was conducted by Iowa State but it was a standard primary poll, similar to any other. It wasn’t just college students.
Jinchi
Not yet. Not until the national convention.
Jay C
@schrodingers_cat:
About 100 or so Electoral votes??
Eolirin
Please keep in mind that polling in Iowa is not very likely to be particularly useful. Caucuses have low turn out and they’re social events not a simple vote.
Tazj
I don’t understand the Bernie surge, but he holds no appeal to me at all. None. If you want someone who holds more progressive views than Biden, Warren is far superior to him. She shows more ability to do the work necessary to run the country. I know they say you’re supposed to campaign in poetry and govern in prose but nothing in Bernie’s present or past has shown me he’s more capable than the other Democratic candidates of being a good president. He just hasn’t shown his work as far as I’m concerned, and his campaign has made numerous mistakes but the press lets him skate.
Harris was my preferred candidate with Warren a close second at the start of the primary but I’ll happily vote for Biden over Bernie. I have no clue or inkling how this will shake out.
Eolirin
@Jay C: The coasts have more EC votes, they’re just already sorted instead of balanced on a knife’s edge between sane and crazy.
Eolirin
@Hildebrand: There’s one thing they don’t get.
Misogyny isn’t just a problem for the right.
Jinchi
@Eolirin: If candidates want to pander to people from places on an electoral college knife’s edge, They’re going to have to bow down before Florida man.
dnfree
@Jinchi: that kind of “leading” question in the surveys to help us figure out which candidate we like is where they fall down. The more specific the questions are, to try to differentiate between candidates, the less useful they are for people who aren’t committed to one and only one way to solve a problem. I agree with you.
Some do add a ranking of which topics are very important to you and which you don’t care about as much. That helps a little but still the questions are too binary—yes/no, no maybe.
Ruckus
@Patricia Kayden:
The big cities do have a larger % of minorities than places like Iowa, Ohio, Indiana……..
I moved out of OH 15 yrs ago and the number of conversations that were overheard or of acquaintances saying they were going to leave the shithole as soon as some major event happened, kid graduating HS or grandparents moving or dying or them retiring was something I don’t hear in CA. People will talk about moving to another part of the state, but not to a different state. Some do that, move to NV or AZ but that seems minuscule to the size of the state.
Immanentize
@schrodingers_cat:
“Heartland values” is just a barely coded phrase for
“Where White people rule.”
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat: A certain amount of it is pushback against a perception that the media and therefore popular culture ignores everything that isn’t NY/DC with a measure of LA for coastal balance. The iconic cover of the New Yorker with the outsized NYC epitomizes the attitude. Even the Cletus safaris are evidence of it; they go looking for kooky specimens rather than talking to average voters. BTW the NYT sees your little city in rural MA as just as full of hicks as a town in Iowa.
dnfree
@Jinchi: I did grow up in a small town in the rural Midwest, and it pisses me off too. Those of us who went to state universities never even heard of consulting firms like McKinsey where Pete Buttigieg went to work after college. Elite firms don’t necessarily recruit at land grant universities. Maybe he doesn’t have the “authentic” Midwest background.
@Jinchi:
@Jinchi:
dnfree
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix: good point. He comes off as too “both sides”. And I think that’s recent. His campaign is always “recalculating”, like my GPS used to if I missed a turn.
stinger
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix: You have four words too many in your nym.
Kristine
@The Moar You Know:
Useless side info–I went to high school with Patric Verrone, Futurama writer and producer. He was a good guy. Whip-smart, and funny.
ruemara
@Baud: there’s not that many less toxic Bernie supporters.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@PenAndKey: Yes, but most civics classes skip over or only barely cover the facts that while legally property owning, black men had the vote again, starting in about 1870 (they had the right to vote in some Northern states until 1838, when the Constitutional convention voted to restrict voting to white freemen), Jim Crow laws and intimidation/threats kept many from being able to actually vote.
There were also property owning and/or tax paying limitations on voting for white males for much of the beginning of the U.S.
Women did not get the right nationally to vote until 1920.
Native Americans did not citizenship rights until 1924 and even then it was left up to the individual states whether they could vote of not. In Maine, Native Americans did not gain the right to vote until the late 1930’s
So it was effectively “one white(propertied) man, one vote” for a while and then one white man, one vote…
NotMax
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix
The condescension is strong in this one.
Sister Golden Bear
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: California says good luck with that on primary day here, Pete.
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Hildebrand: it’s most likely misogyny at work. People who are uncomfortable voting for a woman but identify as liberal on most issues, are switching to the old white guy because when there’s little daylight between two candidates on the issues the old white guy is the comfortable choice compared to the hyper competent woman. I don’t get it either. But it seems like the most likely explanation when they’re roughly equivalent on the issues and Warren has run the much better campaign.
opiejeanne
@Ruckus: I remember a lot of people moving away from California, in the 70s and 80s. Most were people stationed at March AFB, and when their time was up they wanted to move back home, to Kentucky or Ohio or some other place where there was no immorality.
When they’d had a good reminder of what home was really like, the repression and narrow-minded social strictures, they came back to wicked, wanton California, most within a year.
ThresherK
Hey, Mayor Pete: If you hate Washington so much, stay home. You won’t be missed.
After That University which Doesn’t Pay Taxes, South Bend is known as the home of the Studebaker. I have a greater-than-average niche enjoyment of Studebakers, and how they manage to eke out some very nice vehicles over the last dozen years of their existence. That memory deserves better than this guy.
tam1MI
@Omnes Omnibus: I went to high school and college in Steven’s Point. :)
The Moar You Know
@Ruckus: You must not hang with any Republicans, then (lucky you). I hear them bitching non-stop that they’re going to leave California because of the taxes, Mexicans and liberals, in that order.
Been hearing some of ’em say it or 20 years now!
I was born and grew up here, wasn’t until my 40s that I hauled myself out for a few weeks in Ohio in November. Yeah. People are going to move back to that. MY ASS. My family is from the Deep South. I’ve been in both Alabama and Florida in August. Again, you’re gonna move back to that? MY ASS YOU ARE. Nobody leaves CA unless they have to, and every Christmas I hear the wailing and beating of the breast of my family members who wish they could come back here but just can’t afford to.
germy
VFX Lurker
The Iowa caucuses skew male and privileged because not enough women can arrange for child care. I expect this to hurt Warren and Klobuchar in Iowa.
How do you caucus with a baby?
janesays
@Probably Not an Asshole mistermix: There are a lot of people terrified that a woman can’t beat Trump. I think they’re dead wrong, but here we are. (yes, I know Hillary beat Trump in the popular vote, which means zilch until we figure out a way around the electoral college).
If Warren was still Warren in all ways except that she was a man, she would be leading in the polls right now.
GoBlue72
The Bern surge is not isolated to Iowa.
California: Sanders – 30%, Warren – 16%, Biden 15% – https://www.kqed.org/news/11798764/bernie-sanders-pulls-away-from-pack-in-california
Biden at 15% critical – he gets no delegates if he falls below 15%.
Texas: Biden – 28%, Sanders – 26%, Warren 13% – https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/lone-star-politics/texas-lyceum-poll-shows-biden-sanders-leading-democratic-primary-in-texas/2300785/
Pennsylvania: Biden – 22%, Sanders – 15%, Warren – 14% – https://www.fandm.edu/uploads/files/562535870732261549-f-m-poll-release-january-2020.pdf
California and Texas primaries are both March 3. California, a majority minority state, is much earlier this year. And should serve to SFTU to anyone complaining that X candidate or Y candidate is only doing well/poorly due to Z state being too white.
anarchoRex
@Crashman06: I dunno, the party might be able to convince the candidates to bow out for the One Centrist To Rule Them All, but can they get their supporters to go along with it? I could see a lot of people who from the beginning have been all in on, say, Amy, getting pissed that the party pushed her out for, say, Biden. If that’s the case, whether they decide to say FU to the DNC by sitting out the primary, or by moving to Bernie, it’s a boost for him either way.
Adam Geffen
@The Moar You Know:
You couldn’t pay me enough to move to California—fires, earthquakes, mud slides, insane housing market. Eek. Also, I love the Great Lakes region too much to ever leave it.
Notably California is experiencing net out migration. https://www.curbed.com/2018/2/27/17058006/california-housing-crisis-rent-migration-texas
But this analysis by the California Legislative Policy Office is interesting, noting that the net loss to out migration is currently low relative to other times:
”For many years, more people have been leaving California for other states than have been moving here. According to data from the American Community Survey, from 2007 to 2016, about 5 million people moved to California from other states, while about 6 million left California. On net, the state lost 1 million residents to domestic migration—about 2.5 percent of its total population. These population losses are low in historical terms. The graph below shows data from the Internal Revenue Service on the movement of income tax filers in and out of California since 1990. (Data on tax filers does not cover the entire population because some people do not earn enough income to necessitate filing taxes.) As the graph shows, net out-migration from 1990 to 2006 was, on average, more than double what is was in the most recent ten years.”
https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265
Michael Cain
To the extent that heartland equates to the extended Rust Belt plus associated farm country, the heartland is going to lose several US House seats after the census.
TC
Why not? Personally I’ve been a Bernie then Warren supporter and thought during her surge last Dec that I’d be switching horses. The two of them are the progressives in the race and mostly overlap on policy.
After her campaign misstep at the last debate I am surprised he only got 10% of her former supporters and not more. Really that’s only about 2 or 3 points.