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Impeachment Inquiry Open Thread: Girl Power, Ivanka!

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… The prior relationship came to light as investigators with the Department of Justice Inspector General’s office was looking into allegations of political bias at the origins of the Russia investigation since May 2018.

Steele gained notoriety as the investigator who ignited a firestorm by authoring the highly controversial 2016 dossier alleging links between the Trump Campaign and Russia, and embarrassing incidents involving Trump before he took office. Critics of Steele have argued that the former intelligence officer was biased against Trump and was inclined to produce a negative report on the presidential candidate – excoriating Steele on social media and elsewhere.

In 2007, Ivanka Trump met Steele at a dinner and they began corresponding about the possibility of future work together, the source said. The following year, the two exchanged emails about meeting up near Trump Tower, according to several emails seen by ABC News. And the two did meet at Trump Tower according to the source. The inspector general’s report mentions a meeting with a “Trump family member” there. They suggest Ivanka Trump and Steele stayed in touch via emails over the next several years. In one 2008 exchange they discussed dining together in New York at a restaurant just blocks from Trump Tower…

Members of President Trump’s family have never publicly discussed the interactions – and their past meetings with Steele went unmentioned as the Trumps leveled charges against the British intelligence expert in the wake of the controversial and hotly disputed memos he wrote about President Trump…

The inspector general’s report, which was released publicly today, briefly references these past dealings. In his discussion with investigators from the inspector general’s office, Steele cited his past cordial relationship with Ivanka Trump as reason to believe that he was not biased against her…

Ivanka’s never gonna challenge the sort of people who join Mensa, but she’s by far the brightest of the Donald/Ivana litter. And the firstborn, too. Yet she’s been told, since she could bang two blocks together, that she’d never inherit the Trump empire, because she was ‘just a girl’. On the one hand, she was taught that money and its acquisition was the only real measure of human worth; on the other hand, she’s complained that both her parents kept her chronically under-funded, requiring her from childhood to resort to ‘clever’ business measures like selling faked ‘Indian arrowheads’ to her childhood peers. The Trump ideology is that powerful people swing their weight around, take whatever they like, and brag about their taking… but Ivanka, as a girl, was required to be ladylike, not to fight, but to get what she needed by pleasing & manipulating people (especially Daddy, the source of all good things). As a Trump, she was told, she had the best heritage from the best family in a world of sheep and slackers — and yet: Her job was to be eye candy, and (secondarily) to trade her gifts for an allegiance with another family (almost) as powerful and rich as her own…

Spymakers, the story goes, have an acronym: M.I.C.E. You lure potential ‘assets’ through the judicious use of Money (to those who feel themselves undercompensated), Ideology (‘you & I both agree about what is truly important’), Compromise (blackmail, when targets or those important to targets — hellooo, Jared — have left evidence of lawbreaking), and Ego.

It’s not that Ivanka has necessarily been recruited by foreign power, but…

… Being able to plausibly suggest that Ivanka might’ve been recruited is not nothing, for a sufficiently busy & mischievous foreign power.

… In her role as a senior vice president of her father’s company, Ivanka Trump was particularly involved in its overseas real estate projects. In 2006, she traveled to Moscow to explore the possibility of a Trump Tower in Russia.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    You lure potential ‘assets’ through the judicious use of Money (to those who feel themselves undercompensated), Ideology (‘you & I both agree about what is truly important’), Compromise (blackmail, when targets or those important to targets — hellooo, Jared — have left evidence of lawbreaking), and Ego.

    No sex?

  4. 4.

    MattF

    Hadn’t thought about this, but I’ll bet Ivanka knows all the Trump secrets. The boys are much too dumb to notice what’s going on around them.

  6. 6.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    … In her role as a senior vice president of her father’s company, Ivanka Trump was particularly involved in its overseas real estate projects. In 2006, she traveled to Moscow to explore the possibility of a Trump Tower in Russia.

    she got to sit in Uncle Putin’s chair, as I recall

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    This will not end well??

    Second largest nation in world moves to enshrine anti-muslim bigotry in its immigration code- and to strip millions of existing muslims of their citizenshipWorld is going dark with racist nationalism all overt.co/NRCeKvCxRk— Nathan Newman ? (@nathansnewman) December 9, 2019

  10. 10.

    Sab

    @rikyrah: I am having a very difficult time worrying about Ivanka’s future, except for worrying that she might not have a future unpleasant enough to be worrying.

  11. 11.

    JAFD

    Speaking of dining together in New York….

    Are any of the jackaltariat in and around The Big Apple interested in getting together sometime in January or Feb for a meal and some conviviality ?  MLK weekend, maybe ?  (Jan 11th not good for me, otherwise calendar’s clear till March, want to change that.)

  12. 12.

    Elizabelle

    OT. This is interesting. Had any of you heard of a 2-day Facebook blackout, beginning today, to protest Zuckerberg and co. agreeing to run all the horrible, lying political ads? From Ms. magazine:

    #FacebookBlackout: How Activists are Defending Democracy by Logging Off

    “We believe in free speech, as well as the value of truth in safeguarding our democracy,” the #FacebookBlackout creators explain to founder Mark Zuckerberg in the open letter on their campaign website. “We understand your reluctance to police political speech, and agree with you that our government is ultimately responsible for setting the standards for political advertising for the common good. However, we believe your position allowing amoral politicians—and the shadowy forces who support them—to lie without consequence is untenable, and frankly, un-American.”

    “Our ask is simple,” they assert later. “Transparency.” And until they get it, those activists aren’t logging on. [Dream on. Anyway, it’s a 2-day protest.]

    The #FacebookBlackout campaign is calling for a 48-hour Facebook blackout beginning on December 9, 2019—International Anti-Corruption Day. (Ms. will be participating, eschewing Facebook and all its subsidiaries in protest of the company’s actions.)

    The campaign was spurred on by Facebook’s decision in October to amend its political advertising policy—exempting politicians from Facebook’s community standards and fact-checking in the name of free speech and instead agreeing to run any political ad, even ones containing blatant lies, that were paid for by politicians.

    I logged off. Will miss the (disapproving!) corgi and dachshund pics, but in the hope that somebody notices this protest… although, had anyone here ever heard of it before? I find it odd that this was not the talk of jackals, who are a pretty plugged in group …

  14. 14.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    to trade her gifts

    A nose job and boob job, and a very expensive dye job aren’t gifts.

  15. 15.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Ivanka’s never gonna challenge the sort of people who join Mensa, but she’s by far the brightest of the Donald/Ivanka litter. And the firstborn, too.

    Nope. Don Junior is the firstborn, three+ years older than Vanks. I do agree she’s much smarter than her brothers.

  16. 16.

    Sab

    @Elizabelle: Many of us have unplugged or never plugged into Facebook for reasons.

    I did notice that the few facebook sites I usually check in on were dead as doornails today.

    I will stay away tomorrow. Thanks for the alert.

  18. 18.

    OzarkHillbilly

    This all strikes me as a plausible stretch. Yes plausible, but lacking actual evidence, still a stretch. And I despise her.

  20. 20.

    Another Scott

    … the Donald/Ivanka litter

    reads to me as if you’re saying she’s her own mother.

    Sorry!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  21. 21.

    Mandalay

    @MattF:

    I’ll bet Ivanka knows all the Trump secrets. The boys are much too dumb to notice what’s going on around them.

    It’s nothing to do with who is smarter or dumber. The boys don’t have her advantage of post-coital pillow talk.

  27. 27.

    Sab

    @Omnes Omnibus: Guinea pigs are larger and live longer, but still only about two years. Cats live forever, but make people sneeze, and also knock stuff off counters because they are bored and you are asleep. Goats are cool, but they eat a LOT.

  34. 34.

    Roger Moore

    @Sab:

    I have been told by rodentaphiles that rats are the best pets.  They’re supposed to be more intelligent and display more personality than any of the other rodents people commonly keep as pets.  That said, it’s possible that muskrats, beavers, or capybaras might be more interesting still.

  37. 37.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @rikyrah:

    Recently, I’ve been thinking that humanity and reality has to be a cosmic joke. I mean, think about it: apparently alone in the universe, the resources that fueled our industrial civilization and advanced technology are destroying the planet, the virtual impossibility of FTL. Combined with human nature, it’s a cruel cosmic joke.

     

    If humanity is to survive, society must change. Evil men like Modi, Trump, Putin, and Jinping must be removed from power or we will destroy ourselves. Nation states and national sovereignty are outdated concepts

  39. 39.

    Jay

    @Roger Moore:

    Muskrats stink, ( musk glands),

    Beavers need mud and also chew on the furnature,

     

    capyberas are apparently rather cool, but need a pool, and are rather large.

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    re-posting one of my favorite Ivanka tidbits from a NYC friend who says she likes to use big words she doesn’t understand. She once told him her kids get her up “the crepuscule of dawn”.

    Crépuscule is French for twilight, I’ve never heard or seen it used in English

  47. 47.

    Noncarborundum

    @Sab: Cats are proof that the world is not flat. If it were, they would long since have pushed everything over the edge.

  51. 51.

    Roger Moore

    @WaterGirl:

    For real.  I honestly think everyone should read the Bible through from cover to cover at least once in their life, if only so they can see just how insane it is.  It’s amazing to me that we not only allow but encourage children to read the Bible as a guide to morality.

  52. 52.

    Kent

    @Elizabelle: You might not log on.  But most people who are refusing to log into facebook for 2 days are probably still going to have facebook tracking all their browsing activity and shopping activity through the app and cookies, even if they aren’t actually ever checking their facebook feed.  I’m not sure facebook is even going to notice or care.  It takes a LOT more effort than simply not logging on to purge facebook.

  53. 53.

    Jay

    Congress passed the aid package nearly two years ago, but HUD blew past a September 4 deadline for paperwork necessary to release $10 billion in funding. Last week, the agency missed another deadline, this time for another $8 billion, prompting Democrats to demand HUD stop dragging its feet. At issue is a fairly routine bureaucratic process that’s holding up money to rebuild homes and reinforce the island’s infrastructure — especially its electrical grid — before next hurricane season. All Puerto Rico has to do is apply! Unfortunately, HUD refuses to issue the necessary guidelines so the territory can submit its applications, which would normally be a routine step.

    wonkette.com/hud-withholds-hurricane-aid-to-puerto-rico-until-it-investigates-joe-biden

  54. 54.

    Noncarborundum

    Duplicate. Please ignore. My original post didn’t show up even after I refreshed. (Samsung Galaxy S10))

  55. 55.

    Elizabelle

    Oh goody.  Dr. Ronny Jackson, Trump’s White House physician (aka “The Candyman” for dispensing pills, right and left) has filed to run for Congress.  In Texas. Mac Thornberry’s old seat.

     

    WaPost link.

  59. 59.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Elizabelle:

    You’ll also be surprised (not) that he’s filled to run for the Republican primary for the seat. What the fuck did Obama ever see in that asshole to promote him to be director of the White House Medical Unit in 2011 and later physician to the President in 2013?

  60. 60.

    Mike J

    @Kent: Even if you’ve never had a Facebook account, they’re tracking you unless you’ve taken measures to prevent it.

    I wonder what percentage of ad sales on web sites are for placing cookies or tracking pixels with no visible ad. Half maybe?

  62. 62.

    Sab

    @Kent: Facebook tracks me even though I never joined because my husband once did. He knew about the kitchen island I bought a month before it arrived because he saw ads for it, from our server.

    I am not at all comfortable with him seeing every shopping site I have ever looked at.

    So I just don’t buy big ticket surprises online anymore. Zuck all those advertisers who need the publicity. Talk to Zuckerburg. I don’t trust the platforms anymore.

  64. 64.

    Elizabelle

    @Amir Khalid:   Right — how did I leave that out.

    R for Republican.

    Interesting to me, though, that Thornberry bailed.  Am guessing he perceived it would be a tough fight. Or they’re sick of being in the minority.  Whatevs.

  65. 65.

    Jay

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    once upon a time, mediocre white men going though male menopause, used to divorce their wives, start dating someone the same age as their daughters, get hair implants and buy a red convertible sportscar,…..

     

    now the trendy things to do are affairs with lobbiests or staffers, campaign fraud and full bugnuts Trumpism and running for office,….

  66. 66.

    Sab

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Silly Obama was probably looking at his medical references and not his politics. That used to be how it was done.

    I am very comfortable with Trump getting all of his future medical care from diehard true believing modern Republicans. Bad medical outcomes seem almost inevitable. They aren’t all that gung ho on actual science.

  67. 67.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Elizabelle:

    Or they’re sick of being in the minority.  Whatevs.

    I can’t recall any Dems resigning in mass while they were in the minority for *checks notes* almost 10 years. What a bunch snowflakes

  68. 68.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    Here’s some real Grrl Power!

    Sports Illustrated announces it’s ground breaking Sportsperson of the Year….. (photo)

  69. 69.

    NotMax

    @Jay

    used to divorce their wives, start dating someone the same age as their daughters

    Methinks you may have reversed the order of events there.

  71. 71.

    David ??Booooooo?? Koch

    Time Magazine will announce it’s Person of Year on Wednesday.  It should come down to Nancy Smash and the Whistle blower.

  73. 73.

    Sab

    @Roger Moore: I had my stepson’s abandoned rat dumped on me. I was really fond of her after about three days.

    The landlord had an exterminator fumigate the place while she was stuck inside her cage in the apartment. She had been abandoned by my stepson’s roommate, who was expecting her to die from whatever (hunger, thirst, toxic pesticides.) Instead our kid brought her home. We convinced him to re-evaluate his associations.

    The rat was a doll. Sweet, smart, fun, intelligent, friendly. She died a few years later, because most domesticated rats are bred to be lab rats, and grow various cancerous tumors. What a great little girl.

  74. 74.

    Roger Moore

    @Sab:

    Facebook tracks me even though I never joined because my husband once did.

    Facebook tracks everyone they can, regardless of whether you or anyone you know has ever had a relationship with them.  Every web page that has a “Like” button on it is tracking everyone who looks at it.  Every page that serves ads by Facebook is tracking everyone who looks at it.  In theory, you might be better with a Facebook account you never use, since then you can at least use their privacy controls to say what you don’t want them doing with your data.  Of course that assume they actually listen, which seems doubtful.

  81. 81.

    Keith P

    @Roger Moore: A priest at my high school made sure to tell every class as freshmen that if they get asked which story they remember from the OT, it will be “Lot and his two daughters.”  He really planted it in our heads (since I definitely wouldn’t remember that shit 25 years later), and he’s probably right as a result (although I’d guess 1 out of 10 former students would say “quiver and the arrows!”…all boys’ school)

  82. 82.

    Sab

    @Jay: I love capybaras. Our zoo has some.

    Our local National Park, the Cuyhoga Valley Park ( pronounce that!) had an area they thought would be good for a parking lot. Right on the river. They dug tons and tons of dumped car wrecks from it, and cleaned the place up.

    Beavers approved, and built a dam, flooding the chosen spot. So the Park people blew up the beaver dam. So the beavers built another dam, flooding the spot. So the park people blew up the second dam. So the beavers built another dam.

    The park people gave up. They built a wooden causeway along one side of the beaver marsh.

    Forty years later it is a popular tourist site. You can see beavers there, and also all kinds of water fowl. You can ride your bike or hike on the causeway, which is now part of the canal towpath trail.

  83. 83.

    Jay

    @NotMax:

    once upon a time, the standard was separation first, then dating, which lead to some “interesting” results when middle aged mediocre white males mistook women being polite, for interest, which did not materialize post divorce.

  87. 87.

    Sab

    @Noncarborundum: My cats are definitely working on that.

    ETA: also some of the worst ones are testing out the cats have nine lives theory. Like the guy who pushed the full coffee cup off the counter onto the kitchen floor this morning. He was so bored.

  88. 88.

    Jay

    @Sab:

    once upon a time, the Hudsons Bay Company had so heavily trapped out the beaver populations that the waterways they relied on for trade, became impassible.

     

    they had to hire engineers to build dams and flood controls, spent millions, and had to start a beaver reintroduction program and regulate trapping.

  89. 89.

    2liberal

    OT : is anyone else having issues accessing about half the websites?  I can get to twitter home page on my pc but no tweets will load.  My speed test is about 33mbps download and 5 upload with 22 ms latency.  Twitter runs fine on my iphone both wifi and cellular.  I just did a windows 10 update, wondering if that did it.

  91. 91.

    Cacti

    Sorry to throw cold water on the “Ivanka is the smart one” hypothesis, but there is no smart one.

    Here’s the combined “brain power” of Donald, Ivanka, and Junior unable to answer “What is 17 x 6?” on the Howard Stern Show.  

    They’re all a pack of trust fund dumb asses.

  92. 92.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Roger Moore:

    It seems the only solution is to not use the internet

     

    @Jay:

    LOL. You seem to know a lot about that

    ; p

     

    @Sab:

    I am very comfortable with Trump getting all of his future medical care from diehard true believing modern Republicans. Bad medical outcomes seem almost inevitable. They aren’t all that gung ho on actual science.

    Even if they were, Trump believes in crazy medical mumbo jumbo and I doubt he takes a doctor’s advice

  94. 94.

    Roger Moore

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    It seems the only solution is to not use the internet

    Blocking anything related to Facebook is another option.  I use Privacy Badger from EFF, and it does a reasonable job of blocking the worst offenders.  They may not get everything, but I think it at least slows down their attempts to profile me.

  97. 97.

    Sab

    @chris: Those look cute. Sort of like a really loud basenji. 20 year lifespan is too long for me anymore since I am 65. That dog is louder than my rottmix. It’s as loud as my german shepherd girl. Aside from the shedding she was the best and smartest and most loyal dog ever.

  98. 98.

    jonas

    The reporting here is bizarrely opaque. If we suppose Ivanka was angling for some sort of business opportunity, what was Steele into at the time that she saw as important or interesting? Conversely, what was Steele up to that signaled to him that he should cultivate a relationship with Ivanka Trump of all people? Maybe it was…well, when did she meet Jared, again?

    Some follow-up questions need asking, is all I’m saying….

  99. 99.

    Chris T.

    @Amir Khalid: Yes, and crepuscule is a valid English word too.

    It’s not very common, except in that adjective form (still rare-ish there). The word gloaming is often superior, poetically (well, in my opinion…).

  100. 100.

    Jay

    @Mike in NC

    The dog is noted for its unique vocalization. Little is known about New Guinea singing dogs in the wild, and until 2016 there were only two photographs of wild sightings: one taken in 1989 and published by Australian mammalogist Tim Flannery,[6] and the other taken in August 2012 by wilderness adventure guide Tom Hewett in the Star Mountains region of West Papua.[7]

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_singing_dog

  103. 103.

    chris

    @Sab: Comrade! I turned 65 a few weeks ago and my Bert will be 9 tomorrow. Hoping we still have some good years ahead. When the time comes I will adopt an old dog because I can’t imagine life without one. Dawg willin’ and the river don’t rise, of course.

  106. 106.

    J R in WV

    @Roger Moore:

     

    I run three ad blockers, Privacy Badger, Ghostery and UBlock. I especially block Facebook, although I’m just one retired techy and they’re a huge Tech Conglomerate. So maybe they can track us.

    But maybe not.

    Google thinks I’m in a different state every day, based upon the weather update they offer. Mississippi, LA, Upstate NY, Missouri, KS… varies a lot, obviously. You can also fire up Google Maps and see where they start that up. So maybe what we’re doing works.

  107. 107.

    mrmoshpotato

    @chris: I can’t figure out which dogs are doggiepaddling like mad in the middle of each of the Great Lakes, but some definitely are.  At this time of year, that’s just animal cruelty.

  108. 108.

    Jay

    @jonas:

     

    Steele is/was “the” MI6 expert on the pyramid of the Russian Mob, the Ogliarches and Russian Governance.

     

    So, if you were in “the know”, ( deep Russian or Intel connections), he would be a guy worth talking to, or knowing, if you wanted a heads up on “everything Russian” when it came to business involving Russians.

     

    A lot of Western Investors lost their shirts, faced espionage and criminal charges, when their Russian partners and fixers turned on them, or fell out of favour with the higher ups.

    the Trump Org’s “connections” probably recommended Steele as somebody worth knowing, not just for his knowledge of “inside Russia”, but also for knowing what the Western IC knew.

    Ivanka was probably a better “contact” than Don Jr. or Jarvanka for trying to sidle up to Steele sideways.

  109. 109.

    Another Scott

    Reuters:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives will unveil two articles of impeachment against Republican President Donald Trump on Tuesday, a senior Democratic aide said, setting the stage for a possible vote this week on impeachment.

    The House aide spoke on condition of anonymity on Monday night and declined to give any details.

    Democrats were expected to draft articles of impeachment on abuse of power and on obstruction of Congress, the aide told Reuters. The Washington Post first reported the expected articles, citing three unidentified officials.

    […]

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  112. 112.

    JeanneT

    @Sab:  I’m happy to testify that guinea pigs can easily live 5 or more years, given a large living space.  A pair of cavies will probably be the companions to my sunset years, once my dogs have passed on…

  113. 113.

    Sab

    @raven: So that’s Bohdi. He certainly has the howling down.

    My shepherd used to stop in her tracks on dog walks whenever she heard a police siren. She would would stop dead, throw her head up and howl her heart out for about five minutes. Then she would resume her walk as if nothing had happened. It was very weird.

  115. 115.

    The Dangerman

    @jonas:

    Conversely, what was Steele up to that signaled to him that he should cultivate a relationship with Ivanka Trump of all people?

    When did Donald start going to Russia for Ms. Universe?

  116. 116.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Villago Delenda Est: I picked up Kathy Griffin’s A Hell of a Story from the library a few days ago.  I’ve watched it twice already.  She talks about the fauxutrage at Sam Bee.  I highly recommend it.

  124. 124.

    Adam L Silverman

    @jonas:

    what was Steele into at the time that she saw as important or interesting?

    Corporate intelligence and security, as well as political intelligence and security.

  125. 125.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    @Elizabelle: unlikely that Thornberry was worried about a tough re-election; the district voted over 80% for 45, and was either his best or second best district in the entire country

  128. 128.

    Another Scott

    @Sab: For some reason, I see the CatCake image on the L/R flyout buttons for WaterGirl’s thread (even though I don’t see it in the thread itself).

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  129. 129.

    Lock Trump Up

    @Elizabelle:

    Had any of you heard of a 2-day Facebook blackout, beginning today

    Instead of a 2 day blackout, why not simply leave Facebook permanently?  This company is a motherfucking malignant cancer.  For the role they played in helping Trump win in 2016 they deserve to be driven out out of business.

  130. 130.

    Jay

    SCOOP: Facebook ads are spreading misinformation about HIV prevention medication, or PrEP, say LGBT groups. The ads have been seen millions of times, they've scared patients, and LGBT groups say it's a public-health threat — but Facebook won't remove them t.co/L2KRkcnr8L— Tony Romm (@TonyRomm) December 9, 2019

  132. 132.

    Jay

    The comments are not in the version of podcast 291 now on Mr. Molyneux’s YouTube channel, but are in a longer version Ms. Raven provided after a request from The Globe and Mail.

    In the version provided by Ms. Raven, Mr. Molyneux states that it is June 21, 2006. He then speaks about listening in as his wife meets with “messed up and sobbing” clients at her home office.

    “I’m in the vent system, listening, and I’m – she calls it heckling, but I don’t really call it heckling, I just call it providing suggestions about how things should go and that the people should donate to Freedomain Radio,” he says in the podcast.

    “I mean, it takes them a while to figure what on Earth that is, but I do, sort of, try to put my two cents in and Christina says that sometimes can be distracting and so on. But even with the combined weight of her, directly in front of them, and me, my ghostly voice floating in through the vents, they still have trouble making the kind of personal changes that really have a positive effect on their lives.”

    theglobeandmail.com/amp/news/national/controversial-podcaster-listened-in-on-therapist-wife-and-clie…

    Lobster boy is in hot water again,…..

  133. 133.

    Dan B

    @Jay: It would be great for ACT-UP to do some actions at Facebook.  Misinformation about PREP and AIDS meds is essentially murder.

  136. 136.

    Cathie from Canada

    Hmmm — I’ve been saying for years that SOMEBODY in Trump’s inner circle is a Russian asset, feeding him all the pro-Putin and pro-Russian stuff he has been parroting.  He isn’t smart enough to have been the asset himself, his lies are often too self-delusional to be conscious falsehoods.  But wouldn’t it make sense if it was Ivanka all along.

  139. 139.

    West of the Rockies

    So what’s the bottom line takeaway here?  Is Ivanka in trouble with Daddy now or the non-corrupt portion of the DOJ?  Is this a glossy but ultimately meh story, or am I missing something meaningful here?

  140. 140.

    Jay

    @Dan B

    the only thing that will effect change at Facebook is regulation and breaking the Company up, and Suck’s figured that getting the ReThugs and other’s in his pocket by hook or by crook, will prevent that.

    keep in mind that when you see this,

    Fraction of all US wealth owned by Boomers & Gen-Xers when the average member of each was age 35:

    Boomers, 1989 21%
    GenX, 2008 8%

    The average Millennial turns 35 in 2023. Right now they own 3%.

    There will surely be political implications.t.co/j1pNrt8mll

    — Kurt Andersen (@KBAndersen) November 24, 2019

    About 1.5% of that is Suck’s,….

  142. 142.

    Jay

    @West of the Rockies:

    this AM it came out that Steele was favorably disposed to the Trump Campaign and the Trump Family when he started his investigation because he had a friendship with a Trump,

     

    this PM it came out that his friendship was with Ivanka,

     

    tune in tomorrow for the latest plot twists in the soap opera, ( will Daddy be upset! Will Gowdy get a brain?) on As the Wheel Turns Slowly,…….

  143. 143.

    Another Scott

    I mean, if Ivanka Trump and Christopher Steele were boning, I get it. He is a British spy and she is very attractive since she grew up and fixed her nose and chin and breasts and cheeks and hair.— Rebecca Schoenkopf, Wonkette Editrix, King Of You (@commiegirl1) December 9, 2019

    rofl.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  144. 144.

    Jay

    NEW: The New York State AG has issued a new subpoena to the NRA covering at least four areas, including campaign finance, payments made to board members and tax compliance, as well as info related to hiring decisions & financial compensation for directors. t.co/6BMzZy6pjQ— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) December 10, 2019

  148. 148.

    MoxieM

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: OK, my kid had a college radio show called “Crepuscular, with Dusk and Dawn”. They specialized in plumbing the considerable depths of US and International Girl Groups music (Of the pre-1970s variety). So, yeah. college level joke word.

  150. 150.

    Gvg

    Funny how personal experience changes our reactions to words. Crepescule is the name of a rose I have grown at 2 houses and I will probably add it to my new house’s garden soon.

    helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.1366&tab=36

    i have not understood the directions for linking in this new site so I just cut n pasted.

  153. 153.

    WaterGirl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: My cocker Mellon would howl only if one of two things happened. 1. an ambulance would go by when she was either outside or a window or door was open. 2. if my mother sang.

  154. 154.

    WaterGirl

    @Another Scott: That’s because I made Catcake the featured image.  It doesn’t show in the post itself, but it does display on social media, in RSS feeds, in the flyouts on the side…

    I ?catcake

    edit: after I found catcake for the pie filter, i looked for the pup equivalent, but could not find one.

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