“When we left Trump Tower, Cosell said, ‘I’ve never met anyone luckier to be born rich.’ To this day, Trump recalls Cosell fondly. If he only knew.”
— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) November 4, 2019
It’s the centennial of New York City’s commemorative parade, so of course the Oval Office Occupant decided he’d try and hijack the event:
This year’s Veterans Day Parade—hosted by the United Way Veterans Council—will celebrate its centennial as more than 30,000 people march up Fifth Avenue on Monday, November 11 to honor veterans of the United States military during the annual holiday. While the organizers stress that the parade is a non-partisan and non-political event, President Donald Trump will make history this year as the first sitting president to attend the celebration. The president will not be marching in the parade but he will be giving an opening address at Madison Square Park.
The event will kick off with a traditional opening ceremony at 11 a.m. near Madison Square Park on 24th Street and Fifth Avenue, where Trump is scheduled to make a speech. The ceremony will conclude with a wreath-laying at the Eternal Light Monument inside the park at 12 p.m.
The parade itself is expected to begin shortly after, heading north on Fifth Avenue from West 26th Street to West 46th Street. The route is about 1.2 miles and the parade is expected to wrap up by 3:30 p.m…
The Daily News reports:
… The president arrived in New York City Saturday night and bunkered down in Trump Tower in Midtown, according to a White House pool report…
Last week, a state judge in Manhattan ordered Trump to pay $2 million in damages to nonprofits after funds he raised with the stated purpose of supporting veterans actually went to his presidential campaign.
On Tuesday, Trump is scheduled to speak at the Economic Club of New York before heading back to Washington, D.C., where impeachment proceedings will be in full swing.
I still think it’s even odds his bone spurs will act up and he’ll be a no-show, for fear someone will point out on camera that he’s hiding out on his frantic GOP ‘supporters’ down in D.C. Any bets?
Baud
Open to the public. Oh my.
Baud
Happy Armistice Day!
satby
@Baud: Good morning and Happy Armistice Day to you.
Happy Veteran’s Day to our vets.
satby
Maybe they’re all sleeping late.
Baud
@satby:
Wouldn’t you?
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Political malpractice.
OzarkHillbilly
Safiya Khalid newest member of the Lewiston, Maine city council:
Got kinda dusty in here.
Betty Cracker
One for the “good riddance to bad rubbish” file:
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: 1 King down, 1 to go.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
I assume it’s too much to hope that he’s doing this because he’s about to stand up for his country in the impeachment probe.
Anywho, fingers crossed for a difficult pickup opportunity.
Patricia Kayden
Another rat jumps ship.
Matt McIrvin
Buttigieg was misquoted:
A lot of this sort of thing going around lately.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
People were talking about that quote yesterday. I’m glad for him and us that the quote is false.
Betty Cracker
@Matt McIrvin: Wow, I wonder if all the people on Twitter who lost their shit will see that?
satby
@Matt McIrvin: and everyone jumping on it as proof of perfidy, or confirmation of their own biases. Which we should have learned from in 2016, but clearly didn’t.
satby
@Betty Cracker: wouldn’t matter. There’s a narrative to feed.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Baud
@satby:
Yep. My rule is, if a Dem is reported as saying something truly offensive, triple verify it and then wait 24 hours.
That’s true for centrists and leftists and everyone in between.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
satby
@Baud: @Matt McIrvin: that’s the terrorist IRA supporting King. Hope New Yorkers pick a Democrat as his replacement.
Wait, that was a reply to Baud and Patricia, not Matt. bad fingers, bad!
trnc
@Matt McIrvin: Halper;s apology:
JFC. I think it’s safe to assume that if that’s his excuse, it should have been obvious that there was a significant chance of getting it wrong and that he should verify the quote with the campaign before running something that incendiary. What an asshole.
Matt McIrvin
@satby: And he’s not even the worst one!
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: There’s something like the fog of war that settles in during long political campaigns. Hard to see through.
trnc
@Baud:
Good thing you’re a candidate for king of the world, cuz you will NEVER run the New York Times with THAT kind of attitude.
PsiFighter37
@Matt McIrvin: Good riddance. He’s viewed as a ‘moderate’ nowadays, but he will always be the Long Islander who was deathly scared of brown people post-9/11 to the point of hysteria.
As for Trump at the parade – I live one block away from Madison Square Park. Unfortunately I don’t have a window view so I can give that asshole two middle fingers while he pollutes the sound of NYC traffic with his assholish voice. And if there are other speakers at the event, I hope there’d a properly-timed dig at Cadet Bone Spurs in there.
satby
@trnc: shit like that is not an accident. Put something out to damage *whomever* then correct it after the damage is done. The press in this country is not the ally of democracy.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: That’s why we’re in this mess. Too many people on our side are owned by the people we’re supposed to be fighting against.
satby
@Baud: my rule is not to waste my time discussing any of them until we start seeing some primary results.
Dorothy A. Winsor
That Buttigieg misquote is still percolating on twitter this morning. The correction will never penetrate.
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
His economic plan is really normal though. It’s standard-issue Democrat. It’s the old normal.
A federal -state “partnership” where states promise to keep state university tuition low in return for more federal funding is the most conventional Democratic plan ever :)
There is nothing that veers even slightly from the past 30 years of Democratic plans in this economic agenda. Which is fine! But it isn’t a break from “the old normal” in any way.
JGabriel
It’s New York City. Most of the crowd will be chanting “Lock him up! Lock him up!”
Trump has probably broken more laws here, more often, than anywhere else in the country.
WereBear
In my fever dreams, he becomes a Florida Man permanently to avoid arrest in NY.
NY would like that :)
satby
And I did see the discussions over the last few days about Pete, who’s clearly threatening someone but is still a second tier candidate (my guess is the Sanders team’s St.Petersburg office).
Last night’s was especially stupid. All that drama and the quote wasn’t even accurate. For the record, I came the closest to broke and homeless I ever will come “during the Obama era”. A time period is not a president.
satby
@Dorothy A. Winsor: mission accomplished.
Kay
A lot of his economic agenda is, literally, the old normal:
expanding the earned income tax credit is not in any way “bold” or “new”. It’s standard issue Democrat and has been for 20 years.
satby
Oh, shit, I just remembered I’ve forgotten about calling (last week) about the cat rescue transport. I’m so sorry. I’m sure it’s too late, but I’ll call as soon as it isn’t dawn in MN.
Baud
@Kay:
One of the things I liked about Kamala was that she look a middle ground between Same Old Same Old and Ultimate Progressive Wish List. But the voters dont seem interested in the middle position so far.
satby
@Kay: IOW, acting on legislation that’s been stalled to begin some improvement instead of jumping into an entire rewrite of new legislation? We’re Democrats, we can do both.
Kay
@satby:
I think he’s really talented as a politician but there is nothing new or bold in that plan. Since a big part of his stump speech is generational change he probably has to clarify what changes because this is boiler plate Democrat going all the way back to the 1990’s. Enforcing existing labor laws is just not ambitious. It’s fine! But it’s the old normal.
The only thing that is (somewhat) new is the “national service” requirement and I worry that will just reinforce existing inequality because people with advantages will get great 2 year gigs and the rest will be replacing existing paid workers. We already pay people to do these jobs.
Kay
@Baud:
I think she wasn’t willing to admit she was tacking to the center. Backing Medicare for all and then backing off that and characterizing a public option as Medicare for all is just neither fish nor fowl. It’s a mess.
I read a long article about her. She doesn’t see herself as a centrist. The problem is on economic policy she sort of is.
Kay
@Baud:
No one really delved into it because she wasn’t polling high enough but the health care plan she ended up with seemed to rely on Medicare Advantage. So you could buy into Medicare but only the privatized part. I don’t even know what that is.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Someone posted a little video on twitter that showed a display of Trump Jr’s book in four, face-out stacks. The video maker carefully placed a copy of The Mueller Report over the front of each stack.
Let that be your guide for the day.
satby
@Kay: I was a VISTA volunteer during the 1990s, and most of those jobs aren’t existing, because they’re created by non-profits to leverage their resources with a volunteer. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be a job to pay someone to do at all, because a resource strapped non-profit wouldn’t have the funds.
Baud
@Kay:
Either “centrist” or “progressive” or both is being used to cover too many people.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: Even the national-service thing is really Democratic feel-good stuff going back to the Clinton era. Americorps, etc. People have been not-very-seriously batting around some idea of a civilian draft for the younguns for 30 years at least, and it’s typically a centrist thing.
Kay
I think the Green New Deal people have to grapple with the replacement issue on their plans. For example. My son, who is now an electrician, is installing a retrofit on a huge factory in Ohio to accommodate solar. The people who already worked with old energy are naturally and inexorably being trained in new energy. It’s the same people. The wind turbine people will be the fossil fuel people of old :)
It’s not going to be a huge net gain of new jobs. 80% working on old energy and 20% working on new is still the same 100%. The retrofit is new investment but not really- they would have updated old energy systems too.
Matt McIrvin
@satby: It seems to me like the candidate Buttigieg threatens would logically be Biden, now that Beto O’Rourke is out. Maybe Klobuchar.
satby
@Matt McIrvin: and of course I’m biased because I’m an alumna, but it’s a good thing. In my assignment kids from rural white areas like Kansas and Nebraska were working with inner city black and Hispanic groups. Exposure to their fellow citizens that they otherwise might never have gotten. And vice versa.
satby
@Matt McIrvin: you would think so, but the most egregious smears seem to be all rose Twitter in origin.
Another Scott
@Matt McIrvin: Shocking, shocking.
Thanks for the update.
Cheers,
Scott.
debbie
@Baud:
King’s district, per Wiki:
So no, the replacement will be a King clone.
Gin & Tonic
Last day of a wonderful but whirlwind trip to Mexico. Back to the salt mines tomorrow.
satby
@Another Scott: you were a voice of sanity last night. Thank you.
We need for people to quit knee-jerking.
Kathleen
@satby: What? Actual “votes”? Dear satby that is so mid 20th century in a world where the true measures of success are pundits, polling and deep pockets!
Dorothy A. Winsor
@satby: My college roommate taught with VISTA in the Virgin Islands. She wound up making a career out of what she semi-cynically referred to as the “poverty business.” It was a good experience for her.
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
I agree. I think the reason it was never a requirement was there was a recognition it would be as inequitable as everything else we do in this country- some would get internships at the UN or something but most would be doing low skill work. It’s (actually) huge as far as the legality. They would need enabling legislation to make it mandatory and I think there are guaranteed to be constitutional challenges to any mandated work of any kind. You’d really need a law as strong as a military draft, and those are justified under national security.
satby
@debbie: not necessarily. The bedroom communities are turning against Republicans, and there’s a number of immigrants who have moved into Long Island. My Chinese exchange son and his family have.
@Gin & Tonic: glad it’s been a good trip. I love Mexico.
Baud
@satby:
Another Scott is always a voice of sanity. Not like Scott, that asshole.
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
I agree with Mayor Pete on one point, and it’s a big one. We aren’t going to beat Trump without real enthusiasm on the part of Democrats. His voters are going to turn out in droves. Ours have to have something more than a “return to normalcy” or we will lose. If he can successfully characterize a conventional D centrist agenda as “new” then more power to him and I wish him godspeed.
Kay
I’m predicting media coverage of a Trump comeback on impeachment, just because it’s time for that :)
So don’t freak out. You all know how this goes. You could plot it on a fucking graph. He’s been “down” for X number of days so they must ride to the rescue. It isn’t real until it’s real. It’ll be led by the NYTimes.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: Its begun already. Mrs Peter Baker had an essay in the New Yorker about how T is winning impeachment. I am sure Mr Baker will do a followup.
schrodingers_cat
BTW I am tickled pink, because BJP’s hubris have come to bite them in the ass. Despite being the party with most seats in the state legislature of Maharashtra the incumbent CM won’t be forming the new government as things stand today. Their coalition partner of 25 plus years walked out of the alliance this week.
NotMax
@schrodingers_cat
Meanwhile the capital and surrounding areas are choking.
debbie
@satby:
Well, that is good news. Thanks.
debbie
@Kay:
All bickering aside, you see a lack of enthusiasm to vote? Trump himself is our best motivation.
Ladyraxterinok
@satby:
Not sure I ever saw—why did Mayor Pete decide to run for president now? To me he just sorta came out from nowhere. Who were behind his move?
Ladyraxterinok
@Matt McIrvin:
JFK’s Peace Corps?
artem1s
waste of column inches. IF he shows up it’s going to be an embarrassing disaster and they should state what we all know from the getgo. Jeebus, stop deflecting for this sh*thole.
satby
@Ladyraxterinok: He was behind his own move. I think as a decent human being and a veteran, Trump just appalls Pete on a basic level. And as Pete points out, it’s a very low bar, but he has more governing experience than the current occupant.
Honestly, I’m pretty sure Pete originally ran to raise his profile for a run for governor, and he’s caught fire beyond what he expected. Still not a top tier candidate and unlikely to get the nomination, but he’s a good guy and people respond to that.
schrodingers_cat
@NotMax: I am speaking about Mumbai and Maharashtra not about Delhi. So I am not exactly sure how your comment is related to my comment.
Ladyraxterinok
@Matt McIrvin:
Before the fall of the Berlin Wall West Germany had 2 ways to do national service—2 yrs in military or 3 in some sort of civilian service–working in retirement homes, hospitals,etc. They were often in church supported institutions because the church tax Catholics and protestants pay (unless they specifically officially state they are no longer church members) is essentially the sole support for these institutions.
If you moved to West Berlin you were no longer required to do either. Strangely enuff there were a tremendous number of young West German males living in West Berlin.
catclub
@Kay: speaking of economic agenda, there is abig deal being made of “If Elizabeth Warren’s tax had been in place
since 19 [fucking] 82 [!?], then Bill Gates would only have a $13.8B fortune”
No mention of the US also having universal healthcare and a balanced budget.
I will start saying that if we had Ronald Reagan’s tax cuts since 1982 the national debt would be $60Tr.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
And they have a book to sell! He’s the impeachment expert.
NYTimes reporters are “brands”. They’re a stack of products and the marketing is all integrated across the brand.
I think it’s really dangerous because you can reasonably ask if they’re selling their other products or the news. It’s a fair question. I think it’s different when opinion writers did it- because syndicated, etc. This is the actual news reporters. They’re celebrities in their own right with branch-off product.
It’s not a conspiracy. It’s money. If they’re successful at marketing their own brand the newspaper salary will be the smallest part of their compensation. We’re going to end up with two large national newspapers and 1000 reporters making millions and no one else in the industry making a living wage.
Ladyraxterinok
@satby:
Heard Wesley Clark speak in person. He emphasized that serving in the military introduced many young Americans to living and working and cooperating with other young Americans from different backgrounds and belief systems
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: We can all blame Woodward and his stupid books for this state of affairs. I turn off my TV whenever I see Peter Baker appear.
Ladyraxterinok
@satby:
I’m missing something—what is rose twitter?
NotMax
@schrodingers_cat
it was a comment about something happening in India. Silly me, thought maybe you might have something to say about it or add to it.
Kay
@catclub:
My son is living that calculation right now. He and his wife moved to Denmark and his question was would they come out ahead with higher taxes but subsidized services. It’s a good question! Particularly if you’re in one of the higher tax US groups. They have relatively high incomes and no children so they were paying quite a bit in taxes. Denmark’s are higher, but if they have children they’ll have paid parental leave and subsidized day care and college tuition. He makes a pretty persuasive argument that a more generous welfare state is a good deal for upper middle class. Because he isn’t ideologically opposed to taxes he didn’t ask “why am I paying taxes?” He asked “what do we get for the taxes we pay?” He’s looking at value rather than numerical cost, which is probably a better way to look at it. “50%!” doesn’t mean that much to him. What’s he buying for that? If he’s paying 25% (combined) in the US but not getting services then the Denmark rate is a better deal.
Ladyraxterinok
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
One of my brother’s ex wives was a Vista worker. He’s gotten ever more RW as he’s gotten older—was pretty conservative to start. As I recall, he wasn’t in sympathy with her decision. I think it delayed their wedding a yr
Ladyraxterinok
@satby:
Thanks. I’d picked that up a bit
Kay
@catclub:
And that’s the argument Lefties use to make benefits universal- without income qualifiers. Because if middle class and upper middle class see a benefit too, the programs will be politically bullet-proof. You essentially put middle class and upper middle class in front of the less politically powerful poor people- they’re political protection. Strength in numbers :)
I saw it operate here. We did preschool thru the public school. It’s universal- no income requirements. Upper middle and middle use it so it will always be funded. The kiss of fucking death politically is “poor people program”. “Means tested” = vulnerable.
Spikester
@Kay:
Gonna hafta chase that horse down and drag it back to its stall before locking that barn door.
schrodingers_cat
@NotMax: I don’t have much to add since I have never been to Delhi in my life. Yes they have a smog problem that has just gotten worse over the years. I know about it from what I read in the media.
I have deep personal interest in Mumbai because my Marathi speaking family is from that city from over a 100 years or more.
Growing up, Delhi was as distant as LA is distant to a native New Yorker
Kay
Facebook hired a Right wing operative to run their news division, except unlike Fox News, who at least admit they are a Right wing outlet, Facebook owners and executives chose to lie their asses off about it, including in sworn testimony.
The lying these people do is a problem. None of them tell the truth. That will have consequences for the country. We will pay for allowing these ethical standards to drop to rock bottom. Brown won’t pay for this. She’s a multi-millionaire. You will.
Elizabelle
@Kay:
And that is a real danger.
And yeah, Peter Baker is wired for Republicans. Do not care for him, at all.
Kay
@Spikester:
You really can’t deny young people pay way more for college. I’m embarrassed by people my age who deny it. It’s just a fact of their lives. Refuse to help them, fine, that’s a position, but don’t DENY it’s true. We got a benefit they DO NOT GET and it was worth tens of thousands of dollars. That puts them BEHIND. They do all that “ok, boomer” shit because we don’t tell the truth.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
You can see the gears of the business right thru the news. Why did the NYTimes lead the insane over-coverage of the emails story? Because it was their story. That was promoting NYTimes product, which includes celebrity reporters and their books and now even their movies. They are integrated brands who gain credibility for the other parts of their brand by their association with a prestige news product.
debbie
@Ladyraxterinok:
Bernie Bros.
Wapiti
@Kay: In Seattle they started a program to give the kids in the poorer neighborhoods Metro bus passes so they could use the bus rather than walk through the worst sections of the neighborhood. They’ve expanded that so that every high schooler gets a bus pass. (I don’t know about the private/parochial schools). It’s been well received – it gives kids mobility and the ability to meet their friends even if they live miles apart in the city.
I think it’s good advertising for Metro, training the next generation to be transit users.
schrodingers_cat
@Wapiti:The Indian railways used to have a student pass too. It was basically one third the usual fare. You have to get a one month or a 3 month pass (season ticket) from where you live to your educational institute. It had the ticket and a photo Id.
Don’t know if they still have it.
Spikester
@Kay: Indeed. The cost of college at supported-inadequately-by-the-state schools is the horse that escaped decades ago in this metaphor.
The Pale Scot
@Baud:
Que It’s a trap meme. The ass is going to a veteran’s event in NYC, where he will be confronted. Then he run back to the bunker and spend the day tweeting that the liberals hate the troops etc
Uncle Cosmo
@Betty Cracker: OF COURSE NOT. “Smear in banner frontpage headlines, correction in 6-point type on Page A24” is probably as old as cuneiform tablets.
Uncle Cosmo
O/T, but… Today would have been the 89th birthday of my intellectual godfather, Dutch uncle, occasional chess opponent, inspirational math teacher, champion of a smartass sophomore facing expulsion from high school, & very dear friend, who gave up the ghost the day before the 2000 election. Of all the departed outside my immediate family, I miss him most deeply. Godspeed, Kip, wherever your spirit might be.
Elizabelle
@Uncle Cosmo: My condolences. Godspeed Kip.
Elizabelle
@Kay: The NY Times has never reckoned with its “emails, emails” recklessness.
Some Ph.D. candidate will get a thesis out of that horrible episode.