Two Somali women, Safiya Khalid and Nadia Mohamed, win two seats in Lewiston City Council in Maine and Park City in St. Louis. Safia and Nadia thus become the first two Muslim women on the municipal council of these two cities in United States. pic.twitter.com/0ch0fCzmKP
— Almamy Kalumanzillaa™※ (@AlmamyMoha) November 6, 2019
According to the Washinton Post, Safiya Khalid faced racist threats from across the country:
“I just couldn’t take it,” Khalid told The Washington Post on Tuesday night. “I was crying so bad. My eyes were completely red.”
She defeated Walter Hill 642-280 in what became a contentious race late in the campaign.
During a celebration at the Agora Grand Event Center after results came in, Khalid said her campaign is proof that “community organizers beat internet trolls.”
Late Tuesday night, Khalid said she had a gut feeling that Lewiston voters wanted change.
“It’s unbelievable,” she said. “My campaign was about pushing Lewiston to go forward, and to have an inclusive and diverse government.”
No election is too small. And change, however glacial it may feel, is happening.
Open thread
ETA: Here’s more about Nadia Mohamed
NADIA MOHAMED MAKES HISTORY BY BECOMING FIRST SOMALI ELECTED TO ST. LOUIS PARK CITY COUNCIL
Nadia Mohamed, a 23-year-old politician who fled Somalia’s war when she was a young girl, made history Tuesday night by winning an at-large seat on the St. Louis Park City Council.
She will be the first Muslim woman and first Somali on the City Council.
“I’m running because I believe I can help our city reach out to everybody in St. Louis Park,” Nadia said in her campaign video.
rikyrah
Yeah for these ladies. :)
Patricia Kayden
TaMara (HFG)
St. Louis Park City is in MN – I corrected the post. :-)
NotMax
Unless the rules have greatly been altered, oughtn’t that read “Two Somali-American women?”
hells littlest angel
You got that right. That’s the attitude that helped Republicans take over so many state and local governments.
tokyokie
I find it exhilarating that Somali emigrées seem to believe more fervently in the ideals upon which this country was founded than those in the party of U.S. flag lapel pins. More of the former and less of the latter, please.
Brachiator
Wonderful news. Wonderful.
TaMara (HFG)
@NotMax: You’re welcome to go correct twitter. See you in a few decades. ;-)
O. Felix Culpa
I’m so happy for and proud of these brave young women. Running for office makes you a target and nevertheless they persisted. Kudos to them! I hope there are many more like them who step up in the years to come.
Patricia Kayden
ThresherK
I was listening to 96.1 in my locality last week and thought I pinned down “Cool 96.1” as broadcasting from Elmira, NY. For a radio geek like me, that’s quite a catch, as it’s two hundred miles west of me. And it came in pretty well considering it was battling a powerful station in Worcester, from Mount Asnebumskit, a peak famed for FM since Edwin Howard Armstrong created The Yankee Network.
Today I learned that it was a low-powered repeater for a station in my county also called “Cool 96.1”.
Disappointed, but if that’s the worst thing which happens to me this week, I can live with it.
chopper
@ThresherK:
come on, you just made that up. that’s not a thing.
rikyrah
Roger Stone trial begins with characteristic chaos
Rachel Maddow reports on the beginning of the Roger Stone trial with jury selection interrupted by a medical emergency and Stone leaving early complaining of food poisoning.
Nov. 5, 2019
rikyrah
Sondland revises House testimony, now recalls Trump quid pro quo
Rep. Eric Swalwell, member of the House Intelligence Committee, talks with Rachel Maddow about progress in the Trump impeachment inquiry and the increasing amount of witness testimony that points to Donald Trump attempting to extort Ukraine with military aid and a White House meeting in a quid pro quo for personal favors.
Baud
@ThresherK:
It must be the same Cool 96.1 from Elmira. The repeater is just strengthening the signal.
rikyrah
UH HUH
UH HUH
UK prime minister withholding report on Russia’s role in Brexit
Rachel Maddow reports on a controversy in the UK in which Prime Minister Boris Johnson is blocking the release of a report on Russian interference in the Brexit vote until after the general election scheduled for December.
Nov. 6, 2019
rikyrah
This is a good segment.
Diplomats’ texts lay out Trump Ukraine scheme in stark detail
Rachel Maddow reports on newly published transcripts of text messages between Kurt Volker, Gordon Sondland and others, in which Donald Trump’s demand for investigations into Joe Biden’s son and a debunked conspiracy theory in exchange for foreign aid and a White House meeting for Ukraine are discussed in plain terms, even as Sondland made late changes to his testimony to the Donald Trump impeachment committees.
ThresherK
@Baud: Nah, I checked out the playlists, DJ names, and giveaways.
@chopper: You’d think so if you didn’t grow up with New England’s indigenous placenames, but here we are.
Kelly
Grrr. Looks like my water district bond measure will fail 220 yes to 247 no. A bunch of my neighbors that have been using infrastructure built AND PAID FOR the 50’s and 60’s can’t be bothered to pay $200~$300 a year to replace it now it’s at the end of it’s reasonable life span. The main storage tank, now decommissioned is wood. Crumbling water mains need to dug up and patched several times a year.
Patricia Kayden
Just heard that Donny Jr has revealed the name of the Whistleblower. Republicans are too stupid to figure out that the identity of the Whistleblower is irrelevant since his claims have been corroborated by other witnesses. I hope he can be punished for this as it is a violation of the Whistleblower Protection Act.
zzyzx
The Kentucky Senate is thinking about flipping the election back to Bevin because ” He said believes most of the votes that went to Libertarian John Hicks, who received about 2% of the total vote, would have gone to Bevin and made him the clear winner.”
So if people voted differently than they did, Bevin would have won, so he won.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/?fbclid=IwAR3yWgBLNfb8LpkKNu4LrfOUQYkfJQrdiern3GvgPaYxdYsNg1V3AY9xCyE
patrick II
@rikyrah:
It looks like Mulvaney was accidentally smart when he asserted foreign policy is often done via quid pro quo — so get over it. Because no one believes now that there was no quid pro quo, particularly the guy who suddenly remembers he offered the quid pro quo — Sondland.
different-church-lady
@rikyrah: What, the crow he was being served wasn’t fresh?
Cheryl Rofer
The Moar You Know
I was living in Santa Cruz during the Loma Prieta earthquake. One of the fun things we all found out after the earthquake is that a substantial amount of the original water system – main pipes, mind you – were hollowed-out redwood logs. I bet Monterey and some of the other local towns have some as well.
Baud
@Kelly:
What else would you put water in to age it properly?
Betty Cracker
@Cheryl Rofer: I was reading some of the closed door testimony and cross-questioning last night, and it occurred to me that it was really smart of Schiff to structure public testimony as 45-minute blocks handled by the ranking members. That’s Schiff on his committee as chairman and Nunes as GOP ranking member. Either one can appoint an attorney to do the questioning, and I hope Schiff does — the fellow who handled Lewandowski would be great. Schiff could handle it himself, but from a TV production standpoint — and that’s what this is — it should probably be someone who hasn’t been vilified 24/7 by Fox News. In the transcripts, Nunes sounds exactly like what he is — a deranged cultist. I hope HE handles the questioning himself.
Cheryl Rofer
@Betty Cracker: And, from the closed-door testimony, Schiff and the attorneys now have a good idea of how to direct the questioning.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
trump is going to lead the Veterans Day Parade in NYC, and I think Markos is right about this. It would be great if it went viral.
Laura Ingram would have a hard time ginning up outrage about silence
dmsilev
@Cheryl Rofer: Bad timing. I’m traveling and won’t be able to watch. Could we reschedule for the following week please?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Patricia Kayden: Jim Hoft and a few others put it on twitter a few days ago. Yesterday there were reports that they were tweeting out pictures of his house. This is about intimidation.
Kelly
@Baud: I don’t need a water system anyway. There’s a river 100 feet from my house and packing water up in buckets will be good exercise. Water born diseases were good enough for my ancestors and they’re good enough for me.
Betty Cracker
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yep — Trump is using veterans as human shields to either avoid thunderous boos or, as Kos suggested, claim that liberals boo veterans. I wouldn’t think a crowd would be disciplined enough to target their booing, but they did at the Nats’ stadium when the screen operator interspersed shots of Trump with shots of service members. Clever signage could be useful to deny the fascists a clean soundbite.
Sloane Ranger
@rikyrah: Yep. There was quite a row about it in the Commons on their last day yesterday. It’s already been signed off as OK to publish by our Intelligence agencies and the Cabinet Office but Johnson is claiming he needs to double check it for sensitive material (presumably anything that embarrasses or implicates him.)
In other news the Tory election campaign is not off to a good start. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Leader of the House and MP for the 18th century, has had to apologise after saying that the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire lacked common sense and the Welsh Secretary has had to resign after being implicated in an aide’s alleged attempt to cover up a rape case.
Hopefully enough people will see what a lot of sleaze bags they are.
chris
LOL. there’s a good and funny story attached to this tweet.
Barbara
@Betty Cracker: The Sondland fallout keeps happening. Apparently Fiona Hill is challenging some of his “revised” testimony as being inconsistent with her own account. Sondland strikes me as the kind of person who thinks that success in one field translates into mastery of anything he sets out to do. Once you decide to cooperate with an investigation, you have to cooperate all the way and tell the truth about things you know. That’s it. You cannot play games like this.
Kent
@Patricia Kayden: Yes, concessions actually don’t mean anything. All that really matters is when the Sec. of State certifies the election results according to whatever process is in place by law in KY.
rikyrah
Chris Hayes: Yes, there was a quid pro quo
Gordon Sondland’s testimony reveals Trump was, without question, demanding a quid pro quo from Ukraine.
rikyrah
Trump officials wanted Ukraine to implicate Bidens
Trump officials proposed to Ukraine that its statement on corruption include an investigation into the Bidens, and Congressman Jamie Raskin weighs in on the implications.
chris
And a sweet story in this thread. (Scarborough (aka Scarberia) is sort of the eastern end of Toronto. Lots of immigrants.)
Gravenstone
@zzyzx: Um, that’s not how elections work boys. Yeah, the votes might have gone to Bevin had Hicks not been on the ballot. Tricksy little thing though, he was on the ballot. So no, you clowns don’t get to reapportion jack or shit.
Gravenstone
@Betty Cracker:
Support a vet.
Have you booed Trump yet?
Barbara
@Gravenstone: There is nothing to stop them from adopting ranked choice voting but they haven’t. If there had been no third party candidate, they might have stayed home or they might have written someone in, which are equally plausible choices.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@rikyrah: I do agree with those who say, to our side, ‘stop saying quid pro quo’.
This was extortion
Barbara
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Even if there had been no military assistance or White House visit on the table, just asking a foreign leader to fabricate dirt on your political opponent and make sure that it appears in a CNN interview would be wrong, in fact, outrageous. Just the ask should be enough to impeach him. That he was subverting the national interests of the U.S. by leveraging congressionally appropriated defense funds for his personal benefit makes it treason, even if it’s with a little “t” and not it’s technical definition in the US Code.
Kent
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Exactly. And the fact that Ukraine never actually came through with the Biden investigation means nothing. You don’t need the “quid pro quo” for the crime to have happened. Did a kidnapping never happen if the hostage is rescued before the ransom actually gets paid? Did a bank robbery not happen if the crooks get caught inside the bank before they can make their getaway? A crime does not need to actually be successful for it to be a crime.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Gravenstone: “Here for Vets, not for Bonespurs, Cadet”
Baud
@Gravenstone:
“Thank you for your service, Private Bone Spurs.”
Patricia Kayden
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: If protesters turn their backs, Republicans and Trump will argue that they turned their backs on the veterans so what’s the difference? Boo him.
Kay
Our library levy passed and I helped with it so I was pleased. This is the second one I’ve helped with- a “stealth” levy campaign – the name cracks me up. What it means is when you sneak a tax increase past angry, far Right Republicans by basically not telling them about it. You don’t hide it. They could find out. They’d have to read the newspaper. You know, the back. Over by the legal announcements. Then only library lovers show up and it passes easily.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Go Kay!!
Frankensteinbeck
@Barbara:
Trump released a printed confession to asking a foreign country to interfere in an American election. Everything else is details of the crime.
Redshift
More icing on the cake in Virginia, Ghazala Hashmi will be the first Muslim and the first Indian-American in the state senate, and Suhas Subramanyam will be the first Indian-American in the House of Delegates.
glory b
@Kent: Yes! Quid pro quo is what happens in every type of transaction, give something, get something in return. Use extortion and bribery, a quid pro quo isn’t, in itself, anything wrong.
Soprano2
They used to use hollowed-out wood logs to transport sewage, too, although I doubt any of those systems are still in use. A few of the old lines still appear as abandoned on our maps, though. It’s amazing how shortsighted people are – it’s more expensive to do those periodic repairs than it is to just face reality and replace the whole pipe.
piratedan
here in the Old Pueblo we also had something historic happen….
https://twitter.com/TucsonRomero
she won :-) Only the second Latino to be Mayor and the first Latina
Mary G
@Kay: Teachers in my town did that in the 80s to get money for the one high school’s buildings put up in the 1930s and completely busted – no working bathrooms even. In a wealthy 80% white Republican area. They sent letters to parents and asked them to come to tours of the school. It was going on the ballot with some piddly races no one cared about.
All was going great until the town gadfly/crank/asshole found out and started screaming about it. (He was the guy who kept proposing that Fire Department and road repair taxes should be voluntary). Then he took the tour and shocked everyone by endorsing the measure.
Later we found out why. Property values were high because of the school district and he was getting ready to sell his house. His neighbors had promised to accost everyone who came to view it and show them pictures of the school. It ended up passing by 82-18. They did library tax later twice!
mrmoshpotato
@zzyzx: Well then. If Jill Stein hadn’t been running and Wilmer had dropped out post-convention and endorsed Hillary (and told his supporters to get their shit together), well, Madame President, would you like to take the oath right now?
Sloane Ranger
@Patricia Kayden: When I was at university we staged a silent protest. We found out that the administration was planning to increase the amount we had to pay to live in the Halls of Residence and eat in the Refectory and that the Board of Governors was to meet in 3 days time to rubber stamp the decision so we printed flyers explaining the reasons we opposed this, then stood silently shoulder to shoulder along the path from the car park to the Admin. Building so the Governors had to walk between us. The expressions on the faces of the Governors were a sight to behold, surprise, confusion, a little fear. Then the people at the top of the line politely but silently offered each Governor one of the flyers which they all read, presumably to find out what the hell was going on. As they walked the line, several stopped to talk with people in the line about the points raised in the flyer. They were directed to students selected for their articulateness and even temper. The protest was successful in stopping the price increases and several of the Governors congratulated us on how effective and orderly the protest was.
The Administration was totally pissed off. Apparently the measures we had taken to keep it secret from them had worked and they were taken totally by surprise.
Barbara
@Frankensteinbeck: Yes, but getting bogged down into questions designed to establish evidence of “quid pro quo” or extortion means that we are at risk of overlooking the outrage perpetrated JUST BY ASKING anything of Zelensky related to any domestic election.
Mary G
Roger Moore
@Patricia Kayden:
This isn’t about trying to debunk the whistle blower by revealing their biases; it’s about intimidation. They want to paint a target on the whistle blower’s back so Trump’s rabid supporters can harass, intimidate, and quite possibly murder them. They want the next person who thinks about blowing the whistle to know what will happen to them if they try it.
Mary G
@Mary G: And as always, there’s a tweet:
Steve Gravelle
St. Louis Park is in Minnesota (Minneapolis suburb), NOT near St. Louis.
Roger Moore
@The Moar You Know:
That kind of thing was pretty common back in the day. The water main that served the house where I grew up was wooden, but it was apparently made of oak slats bound together with wrought iron hoops- basically like a very long barrel. We found this out when one of those hoops rusted through. The wood was apparently still in good condition after over 100 years of service, and the city had all the supplies and equipment to repair that style of main. They did wind up replacing it a few years later, though.
mrmoshpotato
@chris: Wow. Some people really need to fly out on the wing.
The story below of the white dudebro getting his dumb ass arrested is even better.
Roger Moore
@Kent:
Concessions have no legal meaning, but they do have a political meaning. It’s politically harder to challenge the results of an election after you’ve conceded unless there’s some dramatic new evidence of wrongdoing.
Martin
Here’s an odd data point on why Medicare for All is, from a policy perspective (not necessarily a political perspective), a winning approach.
So, the idea of a universal health records portal is coming together, just not in a manner that we necessarily want. The VA is a big fucking mess, particularly with their medical records, but their records are now coming together in a way that they were not able to do themselves:
One reason why the tech companies are moving into so many market is because they provide a solution to this big collective action problem, in a way that normally only governments can do. 60% of Americans have an iPhone, which means that good or bad, it is as close to a national standard that we have for information dissemination. Facebook touches more Americans, but Facebook has no viable identity platform to build off of – no real way for John Cole to prove that he is this particular John Cole. But Apple is building that as well. That’s what makes ApplePay function. It’s also why ApplePay is the effective national standard for contactless payment – reach, plus identity management.
Apple is able to tell all of these different providers ‘here is a common API for publishing medical records’. And it’s very, very far from the first agent to provide a common API, but it is the first agent to do that and also say, ‘and 200 million Americans will immediately have it in their pocket, no downloads, no new login/password infrastructure to manage, and so on’. It’s also likely the first to be able to say ‘and this data won’t exist on our servers, it’ll go directly from the users device to your systems, we have no access to it’.
This has remained an unsolved problem for years in the US, and it only got solved because Apple has a very different business model from Google and Facebook (a fluke, really), and because they achieved a scale large enough to be seen as a substitute for the federal government. HHS should have been in this role, but they too have a problem in solving it – they have no solution to bypassing a public interface for it. No solution to a physical device through a secure API because they have no substitute for the iPhone itself, but they certainly could work with these companies to define how that should work (Apple’s particular solution is pretty fucking hard to pull off, btw).
But overall, this is a failure of government. The best solution for Veterans to get access to their records shouldn’t be ‘buy an iPhone’. But it’s also a solution that couldn’t have come about without some form of centralized authority, because Aetna has no incentive to put their customer data out in the manner that Anthem proscribes, or v/v. For them, access to that data is either a competitive advantage or a way to capture their customers. And the care providers, apart from a few exceptions like Kaiser, simply aren’t sufficiently organized to structure it from their side either.
And on that identity issue, Apple is growing their lead in that space quite rapidly. They are working with universities to integrate student ids into the iPhone. They are working with states to do electronic drivers licenses. They already have working arrangements with banks. They now have an arrangement with the VA. The feds really need to get their shit together, but Apple is getting well into the too big to fail category, which I know is why Warren is looking at them, but I can’t for the life of me figure out how to break that up because it only works if you are coordinating at that scale. So unless the Feds are able to step into that space (and we are so, so, so far from being able to pull that off) then it effectively means just turning that stuff off.
Sab
@Steve Gravelle: It’s Al Franken’s home town. Also Norm Ornstein’s.
opiejeanne
@chris: That won’t open for me no matter what I do.
The Lodger
@Sab: You beat me to it. Also Ethan and Joel Coen.
Just Chuck
@The Moar You Know: Turns out trees are pretty good at holding water for a while. Billion years of evolution and all that.
J R in WV
@patrick II:
I’ve posted before that there is nothing wrong with quid pro quo, this for that, when the proposed exchange is proper and legal. When it is an illegal conspiracy to rig an election, that’s illegal whether there is a quid pro quo or not.
I gave Jim’s Insurance $3900 last week to renew our insurance. That’s a quid pro quo, money for insurance, totally legal, standard business practice. If I had offered Jim’s Insurance that money to provide 300 votes in favor of my campaign for congress, that offer would have been illegal conspiracy. If Jim’s Insurance had provided 300 voters for my campaign with NO quid pro quo, it would still have been illegal.
To be clear, I’m not running for congress, and if I was, 300 more votes probably wouldn’t help much!
This shit isn’t hard, unless you’re a Republican political criminal trying to escape your crimes.
trollhattan
This news out of PA seems promising. I missed it amongst the more-covered events from yesterday.
Miss Bianca
@Kay: I wish *we* had thought of this approach when we were trying to get a library mil levy passed! However, CO seems to be full of RWNJs who are particularly butt-hurt about taxes – even tho’ we have one of the lowest state income tax rates in the country! I can tell they’ve never lived anywhere else!
Mary G
Thread on the Roger Stone trial:
TomatoQueen
@Martin: SSA Disabiliity Hat On: VA medical records are the best, the most readable, and the longest goddamned things I see in my job (thousands of pages every day, viewed one by one by one…). I love a VA case because I can get it done quickly and there will be no garbage floating in from other claimants that I have to take out. Nonetheless, to get these records into an SSDI/SSI claim, they must be printed out, then scanned to my server using a paper bar code page. Thousands of pages are the responsibility of somebody, so to save costs to the veteran, couldn’t we please figure a way of securely uploading the file to the secure outside to inside SSA file server (which sort of but doesn’t really exist)? Oh hell no, we can’t spend the money, so paper submissions it is. As we go electronic, we’re held back by this bullshit. Is Apple going to alter this for us? The day after I retire, probably.
mrmoshpotato
@Mary G:
Mary G
Bill Taylor depo transcript out. Download is very slow.
Barbara
@Just Chuck: It could also be that anaerobic conditions limit deterioration. Apparently there are thousands of logs at the bottom of Lake Superior that were lost during the heyday of the forest industry in the North Woods — and that when these logs are recovered they make incredible lumber for furniture. https://www.kdwoodscompany.com/resources/blog/water-logged.html
Jay
Jay
Roger Moore
@Barbara:
Redwood is well know for being resistant to rotting and other water damage. It’s the traditional wood for outdoor construction here in California because of it. If you were going to build a wooden water main, it seems like it would be a good choice. Of course given their size, redwoods would also let you build a bigger water main than most other available tree types.
Leto
@Patricia Kayden: bit late to the thread, but wanted to talk about my town/borough just outside Philly (Royersford/Montgomery County). Repubs lost badly here for every position that was up. Average vote % was a 65%-35%. This is a fairly well off area, and I’ve seen my share of Trumpov paraphernalia, but it fills me with a lot of hope moving forward.
Frances perkins
Great article on British class prejudice
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/06/gaffe-jacob-rees-mogg-grenfell-tories-votes
Mary G
Tweet has 358,000 + likes so far:
Mary G
This pig:
Can he be arrested for that?
Jay
@Barbara:
When they dug up the old parts of Vancouver, to install new mains, they discovered that the streets of old Vancouver was origionally paved with old growth, end grain, Douglas Fir blocks.
Most of which were in pristine condition.
So they mapped and documented it, put them back in place, and repaved over them.
Jay
Jay
Just Chuck
Open Thread: And since I don’t have Twitter, @Johngcole:
Overuse of health care would be “Oh noez, I stubbed my toe, I’ll see a doctor cuz it it’s FREEEEEE!!!”
Because yunno, it’s so pleasant and convenient to sit in a doctor’s office, everyone will want to do it.
chris
@Barbara: The Tower of London sits on a 1000 year old oak foundation buried in the old river mud.
TS (the original)
Just a thought (& I’m sure others have thought the same) – on reading the last thread – wonder if anyone has explained to trump that his abuse of US cities might be one reason that the suburbs are turning on him. Most people living in the suburbs still identify with the city as their location.
chris
@opiejeanne: Sorry, no clue, it works for me. Maybe try a different browser?
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@trollhattan: Delaware County is my county. And yes, overthrowing Republican stranglehold on the local government is an amazing accomplishment.
We also added our very first Democratic District Attorney, and the borough of Upper Darby also had a number of firsts.
Leto
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Howdy neighbor!
Some info about my county:
If we could get a viable third party here, like the Working Families Party, I think we could basically eliminate them.
Just Chuck
@TS (the original): The white people living in suburbia think of the city as “the place where THOSE people live, thank god we don’t live there”.
Well, the old people anyway. For everyone else… downtowns almost everywhere have had a cosmopolitan revival — hell, I found a hip and cool street in freakin Omaha — and many more people see downtown as the place to go for fun nowadays, not the Applebee’s salad bar.
janesays
@TaMara (HFG):
I believe it’s just called St. Louis Park (sans “City”). I think the confusion is in the headline of the article which refers to the “St. Louis Park City Council”. Think of it as two separate things: St. Louis Park [SPACE] City Council.
/pedant
Mary G
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Leto
@Mary G: *insert Trumov t-shirt* ❄️
Jeffro
@Jay: the website has the ‘mormon massacre’ and a mug shot of an African American guy who is accused of doing something, somewhere.
It’s like 2017 and 2018 all over again.
Dan Borroff
@Just Chuck: The other factor in preserving wood water mains besides being in a low oxygen environment is no sun damage. Sun warms then night cools which causes shrinkage and swelling cycles. These cycles cause cracks that allow fungus and bacteria access. Sunlight also oxidizes. Bark serves to protect living trees protection from sun and temperature swings.
But bark on lumber can trap moisture and speed up rot.
Martin
@TomatoQueen: That’s one possibility. In short, Apple (among other tech companies) are building the national digital infrastructure rather than the federal government. Now, I trust Apple in this role, but in general we shouldn’t. This should be what government does, or at least coordinates and directs and regulates. We’re fortunate in that Apple is generally a good actor on stuff like this, that they get their money by selling hardware and not data, but man, that’s not how this should work.
But it does point out the technical debt the US continues to rack up. It’s one thing for Apple to implement something like this, its entirely something else for the Feds to be so far behind the ball that it’s inconceivable they could implement it themselves – and that’s where they are.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Leto: (Waves from the unfashionable end of the Blue Route)
@Just Chuck: Agree. When I do any kind of activity or class in downtown Philly and people give their locations, I’m typically the only suburban in the room. Everyone else lives in the Philly city limits. Not even sure how much “for fun” draws people from the ‘burbs, with a few notable exceptions (sporting events mostly).
Amir Khalid
@Just Chuck:
And those five-year-old magazines in the waiting rooms are so fascinating to read.
Just Chuck
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Lots of people priced out of the city will still come in from suburbia where they can afford to live. Denver is one extreme example.
trollhattan
@Mary G:
I would assume the judge would be very interested in juror-doxxing.
Has Stone gone full Manson yet with a swastika scratched into his forehead?
LuciaMia
Im seeing the opening shot of Petticoat Junction.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I’m back from my visit to the sixth grade, which turned out to be delightful.
During the drive from here to Iowa, I saw an “Impeach” sign stuck next to a cornfield and a billboard that read “Tulsi.” In my friend’s neighborhood, the only presidential signs I saw were for Mayor Pete and there were several of them. Caucuses will be interesting.
Roger Moore
@TS (the original):
It doesn’t matter. You can tell him whatever you want, but he’s not going to listen to something that contradicts his very stable genius.
ETA: to slightly modify the old joke: You can always tell a Wharton man; you just can’t tell him very much.
germy
Calm down, Libs. The New York Times has spoken.
mrmoshpotato
@chris:
A much better foundation than the London Bridge. It fell down.
Roger Moore
@trollhattan:
The Nixon tattoo on his back isn’t enough for you?
Ella in New Mexico
@Mary G: Aww, you beat me to it! Seriously, I laughed out loud reading how the inflatable rat was staring them down through the window. Hilarious!~
mrmoshpotato
@Mary G: Soooo when is the LSU game? ?
Highway Rob
@Kelly:
And therefore, a witch?
Baud
@germy:
Like a Bevin win would have.
Alien Radio
Does anyone want to guess at who the friend in London is? I’ve been predicting Roger Stone’s trial will Almost certainly wind up naming Nigel Farage.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/6/20951896/roger-stone-trial-opening-statement-trump
“On July 31, 2016, a few days after Stone had told his associate Jerome Corsi to “get to [WikiLeaks founder Julian] Assange” and get ahold of “emails” WikiLeaks had, Stone called Trump again. About an hour after the call, Stone emailed Corsi again, to say a friend of theirs in London should see Assange.”
mrmoshpotato
@Amir Khalid:
So that’s an international scourge?
mrmoshpotato
@Just Chuck: You mean suburban Denver don’t have their own NFL and NBA teams? I’m shocked.
MomSense
I’m so happy about Safiya. She’s such an impressive woman and so genuine in person. For context, after the 2016 election the AP made a video about Lewiston Auburn switching from Obama to Trump (hero to zero) and it was an ugly portrait of racism expressed as “wanting our town back”.
Amir Khalid
@mrmoshpotato:
I think medical students the world over take a class on “What to put in your waiting room”, alongside “Medical penmanship: how to confuse pharmacists”.
Jay
Barbara
@chris: And then, there’s Venice. It is kind of amazing when I think of it.
Jay
Teh stupid,……. it burns,……..
chris
@Jay:
No One of Consequence
@Martin: thanks man, this was great info and reasoning.
Peace,
NOoC
Gravenstone
@Jay: Heh. the Fox story actually starts with a correction of what PC actually means in this context. They’re still slime, but they’re making an effort.
joel hanes
@Steve Gravelle:
St. Louis Park is in Minnesota
I remember being completely confused at about age 11 when we visited Jay Cooke State Park near Duluth and were told we were playing in the St. Louis River.
Jay
Ruckus
@Martin:
It may be that I haven’t been in the VA system all that long or in multiple service areas but the VA records works reasonably well for me. And while it could be better, it is far better than any other medical record system I’ve ever had the misfortune of being involved in.
I hope this makes it better.
J R in WV
@Ruckus:
I’ve been seeing the same Family Practice doctor since around 1980. My chart, which is on paper, is probably 4 volumes, 4 or 5 inches each. The current chart is only 2 or 3 inches, although my newest adventure in failed knee joints may add much new material quickly.
Also, the orthopedic surgeon who did my shoulders 3 or 4 years ago is booked up until next year, and he thinks I can’t wait that long. So I have to break in a new guy. Oops… not a good feeling, I have a lot of confidence in the doctor who did my shoulders and wife’s knees. Her knees were really defective from the get-go; plus had much extra wear and tear because of the chronic defects.
Newbie surgeon, I dunno.
Brachiator
@Martin:
Why couldn’t this simply be a card with a chip? Whatever tech backbone is ultimately used for this, even if it is developed by Apple, has to be independent of any Apple product.
BTW: I remember reading that the UK NHS system has a problem with some patient records because the system is ultimately regional.
J R in WV
@Brachiator:
Credit Card chips hold about 10 MB, which would be like one doctor’s appointment, maybe with a few lab results. Not for a sick person, for a well person getting screened.
Robert Harvey
@TaMara (HFG):
And is the historically Jewish suburb.