Kate Wrote a Letter and It Is Good


Between this and Biden’s call for impeachment, I think his campaign is catching up to the inevitable fact that inevitability alone is not a campaign strategy.

Open thread.






117 replies
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    Ohio Mom says:

    Good to see Biden catching on and catching up. Especially since he is the one I might be crawling over broken glass to vote for.

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    NYT, a fully owned subsidiary of the Rs.
    But they have a mean crossword puzzle.
    Treason and Mind Teasers its one great package.

    My vice was the Recipe section but since Mark Bittman’s departure its not as good as it used to be. Although its still one of the best recipe sites out there.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I am changing it to the Fuck the Fucking Giuliani-fed New York Times.

    Kay outed them on the morning thread. It fits the evidence.

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    Butch says:

    Baquet seems determined to undo whatever good reporting happens at the Times.

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    cleek says:

    Although its still one of the best recipe sites out there.

    any place that gives my sister-in-law a ten recipe spread can’t be all bad.

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    MattF says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Actually, the NYT crossword varies in quality and difficulty.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @cleek: They’ve monetized their recipes section. You have to pay for an extra subscription fee (although it seems you can get a few free with a Sunday menu for the week column).

    I hope the WaPost and LA Times never follow the FTF GF NYTimes’ lead on that.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    You can get a stand-alone subscription to the crosswords.

    (This is not really for you, since you were probably snarking, but for somebody’s wife.)

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @MattF: The crossword puzzle varies in difficulty intentionally: easiest on Mondays, a little harder on Tuesdays, and so on until the most challenging on Saturdays.

    But you are on target on the varying quality. For an informed critique of the puzzle’d quality, I recommend Rex Parker’s blog, “Rex Parker does the NYT’s crossword puzzle.”

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    Elizabelle says:

    Yesterday the FTF GF NYTimes published an op ed by Peter Schweitzer, author of “Clinton Cash” — and somehow neglected to identify him as that. His screed took on Joe and Hunter Biden, and Mitch McConnell-Elaine Chao, for self-dealing. It mentioned the word “Trump” once. As in Chao’s employer.

    Not a word about emoluments, or any Trump corruption. Just smear the Bidens by putting them in there against McConnell-Chao, who truly are corrupt and bad news for democracy.

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    waysel says:

    Impeach Dean Baquet! A national campaign would be nice.

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    lofgren says:

    A responsible news organization should not print one word about political smears until there is actual credible evidence. This goes doubly if the accuser stands to benefit from the smear getting printed whether it is true or not. I don’t understand why this is so difficult.

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    Redshift says:

    @Elizabelle: Or that he’s a senior editor at Breitbart. 😠

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    Yarrow says:

    From the letter:

    “Are you truly blind to what you got wrong in 2016, or are you deliberately continuing policies that distort reality for the sake of controversy and the clicks…?”

    I think this is an excellent tactic. Not just because it’s directed at the NYT (which obviously deserves it) but also because it’s from a very establishment Democrat who is pushing back on the media in a way that calls out the media’s ethics and motivation.

    Republicans do this sort of thing all the time. Democrats tend to do it much less in general and less effectively overall. It’s part of how “the liberal media” concept got cemented in our politics. Democrats end up playing defense on that idea and this letter is an example of playing offense. More of this please.

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    Back in the day, the Times investigated why they got some stories badly wrong. It took them some time, but it at least gave the impression of something like responsible reporting. They did long investigations on the aluminum tubes for Iraq and on Wen Ho Lee.

    I’m thinking they need to look back at all their coverage of Donald J. Trump, maybe even back to the lawsuit against his father for housing discrimination. Maybe even further back than that. How did reporters look at Trump? What bribes did he offer? and so much more.

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    jc says:

    Conservatives never hesitate to browbeat the mainstream media for what they perceive as a “liberal bias.” It’s long past time that Democrats likewise put serious pressure on news outlets that support whack-job conspiracies by the right.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Redshift: Whoa! Somehow that little detail was not divulged either.

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    gvg says:

    I am not sure Biden can fight this for this election, but I think this is a good step for starting to find a way for democrats to learn to always have a strategy for these kinds of situations and start getting more of the voters to be more…woke(?) about what has been going on. I know several very liberal voters that really have absorbed too much republican framing especially about Hillary and plenty of younger voters just assumed she was corrupt (Kapernick for example) and they also just accept that things like unions are bad and that social security won’t be there, etc.
    We have to re train the media. Old tactics of ignoring just don’t work. This might not work enough, but it is at least trying and doing something new.

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    MattF says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I think there’s a NYC newspaper culture of indulgence towards local ‘eccentric’ personalities. Trump got the benefit of that, and it’s never been re-examined.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Biden went from praising Pence as a decent man to figuring out that Republicans aren’t our friends. He should have figured that out after seeing how they treated President Obama.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Excellent letter by Bedington, and Biden’s call for impeachment was good too. Late! But good.

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    @MattF: Yes. And, having grown up in Northern New Jersey, I know there’s a baseline assumption that the Mob has its fingers in many things. Which has some truth but makes it hard to decide where investigating those ties will yield news.

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    Yarrow says:

    @waysel: Dean Baquet is not really the problem. Look at his bosses. They’re making the decisions. He’s just choosing to implement them. If he didn’t, someone else would.

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    waspuppet says:

    Dean Baquet: (Reads letter) “Just another buncha complaints by the usual leftists.” (Throws letter away)

    (Trump tweets about the “failing New York Times”)

    Dean Baquet: RED ALERT! TO THE DINERS! THERE’S GENUINE ANGER OUT THERE!

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    Immanentize says:

    I feel like something has switched. Biden and his team are so far behind others in the messaging race that they sound like they are message following. Amplifying, perhaps, but not at all leading. When did Warren call for impeachment? (Too early in my view) but that looks like leading while Joe looks like he is out of breath trying to catch up.

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    @Steeplejack (phone): How many recipes were you able to get from mom, on your latest trip out west?

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    @Immanentize: Are you in Florida? How’s the weather?

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    scott (the other one) says:

    Wow, you weren’t kidding about it being good! More of this, please!

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    They shut off power to Humboldt County for 24 hours and to be honest I whinged and moaned and complained and moaned some more until even my cat was like, “fuck you, HB, let me outside” at 11:30 last night as the temps drooped into the 30s.

    And it appears I missed the drama in the English Premier League where the wife of one player accused the wife of another player of feeding false information to the Sun Newspaper (deeply hated and distrusted by millions of Brits, particularly those residents of Northern England in Liverpool and Manchester)). It seems, Wife No. 1 went to extraordinary lengths to catch the person who was feeding the Sun and it spawned the hashtag of the century, #WAGathaChristie

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    Colleeniem says:

    @Immanentize: She called for it immediately after the redacted Mueller report was released. Made my heart sing, it did.

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    R-Jud says:

    @HumboldtBlue: There are several excellent puns about that story, my personal favourite of which is “The Scousetrap”.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    There’s a new online (?) magazine called Dame that wrote an editorial about the bullshit criticism of Elizabeth Warren saying that she was fired for being pregnant and it is ON POINT about the misogyny of the self-proclaimed “dirtbag left.”

    https://www.damemagazine.com/2019/10/10/the-only-authentic-female-candidate-is-one-who-doesnt-run/

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    Mike in DC says:

    Pressure on Facebook and Twitter is a good idea too.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mnemosyne: Thank you for that.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Not a word about emoluments, or any Trump corruption. Just smear the Bidens by putting them in there against McConnell-Chao, who truly are corrupt and bad news for democracy.

    I suspect it was also meant as a shot across the bow to McConnell — block impeachment or else Trump and his surrogates will start telling what they know.

    That’s why getting involved with Trump is a death spiral. Honor among thieves doesn’t actually exist.

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    delk says:

    I have the NYT Crossword app. I do Friday puzzles on my iPhone and Saturday puzzles on my iPad. Working my way backwards. I’m currently doing August 2012 puzzles.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @R-Jud:

    I love it! That’s brilliant!

    (WAG is a term used by the tabloid media when they write about or feature the Wives and Girlfriends of sportsmen, usually pictures of the missus in a bathing suit or some other racy outfit.)

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    glory b says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Yeah, the recipes get me every time too.

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    waratah says:

    I turned on the the Las Vegas candidates talking about their views on gun violence and caught the last of Joes talk. He was all over the place I had trouble following him. If he is losing in polls it could be because of performances like that. I like Joe and do not like seeing him like that.

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    Kay says:

    Maggie Haberman
    @maggieNYT
    .@amychozick
    got her hands on that “Clinton Cash” book, y’all

    That’s the reporter covering Trump promoting a book that trashed Clinton, and telling us the reporter who covered Clinton “got her hands on it”
    And they’re still promoting the same author, except now it’s Biden.
    I’m still wondering how no one over there “got their hands on” anything about Trump and Guiliani, considering the fact that both men operated in their fucking backyard for 50 years. which actually goes a long way towards explaining how their Trump coverage seems to be run through Rudy Guiliani.

    I feel like the biggest dope of all. When it became clear that Trump was going to be the nominee I thought “well, he conducted his life of crime right under the nose of the media center of the US, so he’ll be vetted!”

    Oh, HELL no. So wrong.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    Oh, and I know most of you will be heartbroken by this news, but it appears Tulsi Gabbard is prepared to skip the next debate.

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    Kay says:

    @waratah:

    I hate to say it but I feel I have to before it’s too late. Joe Biden has been like that for a long, long time. He did lots and lots of events for Obama in Ohio. I’m telling you what you are seeing is all there is.

    I went to one in the 2012 campaign where they had to bring in labor people and local Dem Party people to fill the room, and even then they were wandering off after 15 minutes. It’s not new and it’s not going to get better.

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    Redshift says:

    It sucks that we need to work the refs just to get something close to the truth out in the face of the wingnuts’ decades-long effort, but it’s good to see people on our side finally realizing it needs to be done.

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    Kay says:

    @waratah:

    Just know what we’re getting. Won’t get better because it’s never been better. If given that he’s the nominee we will of course support him, but believe your eyes and ears.

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    ThresherK says:

    @HumboldtBlue: And I am prepared to skip playing in the World Series.

    Tulsi qualified for the debate? I thought she hadn’t, and the fact I don’t remember if she did says a lot about her success (sic).

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Kay:

    I think one of the reasons why Black voters are sticking with Biden is that they’re understandably skeptical that white people will vote for a woman for president, even if she’s white. And I can’t really blame them for that, because the majority of white voters are stupid assholes, even the ones on the “left.”

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    Kay says:

    @waratah:

    And two things can be true at the same time- he could be a fine Vice President and lousy Presidential candidate. It doesn’t have to be a blanket indictment of his whole career. They are two different things.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I am. The weather is great. 80s. Sunny. Sitting on Ocean Drive now for a nosh.

    I feel better already

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    JPL says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): that’s what I did and then last March they offered me a subscription for $4.00 a month.
    I might cancel it rather than wait until March when the rates go up. .

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    BC in Illinois says:

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Oh, and I know most of you will be heartbroken by this news, but it appears Tulsi Gabbard is prepared to skip the next debate.

    In related news, I am boycotting the Eighth Cliburn International Amateur Piano Competition next year, because it is rigged against pianists of my qualifications.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @ThresherK:

    I always get a chuckle from the wingnut media who glom onto her as some sort of example of Liberal intolerance when she is exposed to be a complete and utter nobody in national politics. The first link on Memeorandum was the fucking National Review.

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    Kay says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I have no idea. Maybe they just prefer him, with the understanding that they’re not a monolith. I’m just saying there’s no super great speechifying or electricity coming – what you see is what you get. If that’s enough to beat Trump it’s enough, but it isn’t going to get better. There’s some polling that says all the D’s are within winning range (PPP has this theory) so maybe which one won’t matter.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @BC in Illinois:

    That settles it then, I am boycotting the Champions League!

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    waratah says:

    @Kay: his plans for guns seemed way off what those young people in the audience wanted but they were very respectful to him.

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    Kay says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I actually think Biden does fine in debates. He knows enough that he can speak reasonably well on just about any topic, and I don’t think his “gaffes” matter as much as media think they do. But debates don’t matter that much. Our voters, IMO, don’t come out “against”. They come out “for”. They’re not fear-motivated.

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    rikyrah says:

    “Are you truly blind to what you got wrong in 2016, or are you deliberately continuing policies that distort reality for the sake of controversy and the clicks…?”

    Tell it

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    @Mnemosyne: Isn’t it possible that it is as simple as they don’t think she is the winningest candidate. They (and I) don’t see what most of this blog comment section sees in her. We are just not that into her. Her audiences are fifty shades of pale. Look at most of the photos of her rallies and speeches.
    For all the talk of listening to black women FP looks like R Congressional caucus. And rikyrah is admonished for bringing up her concerns about EW.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I play NY Times crosswords & other games every evening, but I don’t subscribe. The crosswords are not today’s but I don’t care. The Seattle Times runs the NY Times crossword and you don’t need a subscription to play.

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    JPL says:

    @Immanentize: Enough about you, how’s the little immp.

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    jl says:

    Since he is roughly tied with Warren in the lead, I hope Biden does much better from now on that his very (to me) disappointing start. This letter is a good response, and Biden needs to start matching it in person.

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    Kay says:

    @waratah:

    but they were very respectful to him.

    Oh, that’s nice. Sadly it’s like pulling teeth to get them out to vote and “respectful” probably won’t do it. They could run the country if they would turn out at better than 15%. They just get SWAMPED by older people with their 60,65,70% turnout. My neighborhood is both older and better off than most of this small city. The precinct turn out is 85%. :)

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    waratah says:

    @Mnemosyne: I have said this before, in South Carolina on Beto’s firs visit they told him in the first town hall they want a winner they wanted someone that could get the electoral votes it could be as simple as that.

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    @opiejeanne: I don’t subscribe to the Times, I was snarking as Steeplejack correctly surmised. I gave up on them during 2016 primaries.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @HumboldtBlue:
    I never thought I’d see a public spat between Wayne Rooney’s wife and Jamie Vardy’s. Coleen Rooney only made the news when Wayne had done something really really stupid, which he outgrew some years ago; and I’d never heard about Rebekah Vardy at all.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    Good to see someone high up on the Dem side doing a bit of working the refs. Badly needed, long overdue.

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    rikyrah says:

    Chinese officials provided open-source material on Hunter Biden to Trump adviser
    BY MICHAEL WILNER
    OCTOBER 10, 2019 11:38 AM

    An adviser to President Donald Trump who received material from Chinese officials last week on Hunter Biden’s dealings with Beijing told McClatchy on Thursday that its contents do not expand on publicly available information.

    Michael Pillsbury, an informal White House adviser on China policy, told the Financial Times on Thursday that he received “quite a bit of background” in recent days from Chinese officials on the son of former Vice President Joe Biden, a leading contender for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

    Trump publicly encouraged the Chinese to investigate Hunter Biden’s dealings in Beijing last Friday.

    https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article235990528.html

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    @Kay: OMG yes I went canvasing to register voters where the student apartments are in my town, earlier this fall. Pulling teeth describes the experience well.

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    Immanentize says:

    @JPL: the Immp is sitting in the sun soaking up the heat. But he really doesn’t like beaches so much. Just hanging out on a beach bores him. I have my presentation this afternoon. Then tomorrow we will start vacating in earnest.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    So what you’re saying is the blackout should have lasted another 48 hours?

    Here’s a picture of Bobby hugging Sadio in Singapore, I know that will interest you.

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    Hildebrand says:

    @jl: Biden has never been a good presidential candidate. He washed out pretty early in both 88 and 08 – neither time really making much of a real impact on the race. He is not going to get any better at this.

    And yes, I understand, we want someone who can govern, but we can’t govern if we can’t get over the finish line. Joe’s track record on that score doesn’t fill me with confidence.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @cleek: The descriptions in this were great! (I’m serious, bc in all my basic cooking for one, I might even try the rice or plantains). I also sent it to a friend of mine who loves to cook.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @ThresherK: She qualified (just barely) for the Oct 15th debate, but she said this: Tulsi… “complained in a Twitter message on Thursday about the Democratic National Committee’s use of polling to determine debate participants and said the debates are “meant to entertain, not inform or enlighten.”

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @schrodingers_cat: What is “FP”?

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @cleek:

    Holy cow, just reading her descriptions of her cooking is mouth-wateringly good.

    I have found that it’s important when cooking Nigerian food to trust the ingredients to do their work. The ingredients are “Nigerian” only in their interactions with one another, and will take time to conspire in your pot. To accomplish the variety of textures that make the dish stand out, each recipe should be approached with patience and a sense of adventure. Do not be burdened by notions of authenticity.

    Also trust the preparation and techniques — with a long braise, the muscle fibers in the goat leg will tenderize and surrender to the peppered juices of the obe ata, a bright red purée of red bell peppers, onions and tomatoes, with habanero for added heat and complexity. A whole habanero with seeds will lend its gentle, lingering heat to the jollof rice. Fermented locust beans will plump up nicely with a soak in warm water, and will collaborate with crayfish and red palm kernel oil to make an umami-rich pot of efo riro, or stewed greens.

    I also saw the word “calabash” is that in relation to turtle (calipash?)

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @opiejeanne: She’s got a point about the debate format being more about entertainment than information, but does anyone think she’d raise the issue if she were doing better in the polls? If you read the statement on her site, it’s really obvious she’s making a play for Sanders voters. What a twit.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I realized that it was snark after I posted and walked away from the keyboard. D’oh!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Didn’t realize the Republican Congressional caucus had a achieved gender parity — good going, Republicans!

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Betty Cracker: Oh yes, the format does set it up as entertainment, but it just struck me as odd that she would say that.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: So basically, Chinese officials downloaded Hunter Biden’s Wikipedia page and passed it along to Trump’s adviser, thus seeming to obey the (illegal) request to investigate the Bidens? Hahaha! Well played, Chinese officials.

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    Leto says:

    @Immanentize: It’s part of youth, not understanding just “being”. But I hope you two have a great time on the vacation :)

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    @Betty Cracker: BJ is definitely better on that score than Rs, I was referring to the inability of attracting and retaining black front pagers.

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    geg6 says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Funny, but that’s exactly how I feel about Biden and Harris. I don’t find either giving me any sort of reaction other than “meh.” Biden, because I have known of him and seen him since I was a pre-teen and I don’t expect him to change or be any better than he ever has been. And Harris because I don’t find her engaging and her flip flops and barely fleshed out policy plans aren’t anything other than meh. I find her milquetoast in the extreme.

    The only ones that I am excited by, have given money to and would go all out to support are Warren and Booker. I would very much like to see that ticket.

    To each of us our own.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    rikyrah is admonished for bringing up her concerns about EW.

    No. Rikyrah is admonished for putting up tweets from blowhards with concerns about EW. What those concerns are (aside from electability) we don’t know because we don’t know the blowhards.

    rikyrah had a very good, and expressed in her own words, comment about African Americans’ distrust of revolutions, since they are always the ones with the most to lose and hardest to fall, and (I would add) those whose concerns rarely come to the forefront. I believe that, too, but it was also not news to me or anyone else who has volunteered in politics for years. I have wondered if EW has some problems with being too closely affiliated with the shouty, lily white one from the great Northeast.

    Mnemosyne has a great comment upthread about AA voters being concerned white voters won’t vote for a woman — 2016 had a lot of misogyny on display. I think that’s a solid concern, and comment.

    Personally, I would like to see Warren/Harris or Harris/Warren and go down swinging. It is time.

    Further, we ALL get that you have your concerns about EW. Do you think we’re illiterate too?

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    @geg6: Truth be told I am not 100% sold on anyone yet. I like Harris and Beto. I also liked Buttigieg better in the debates than I did during his TV interviews. In them he sounded too both-sidery. He has sharpened his message since then.

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    @Elizabelle:

    Further, we ALL get that you have your concerns about EW. Do you think we’re illiterate too?

    Why would I think that? I don’t and you aren’t. Sorry for being repetitious about EW.

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    geg6 says:

    @Elizabelle:

    The haranguing will continue until we all fall in line and back her preferred candidate. Whoever that is…I’m guessing Harris, but I may be wrong about that. Regardless, this is why I have been staying out of commenting and even reading many of the posts about Dem candidates. Some people who have very strong candidate preferences are becoming as irritating as the Berniebros were back in 2016. Tends to turn me off their object of affection in much the same way, too.

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    Leto says:

    @Elizabelle: My issue is that we can point out facts that disprove a narrative being sewn and it’s just… ignored. If all you’re going to do is post the same shit over and over, you might as well get a LiveJournal account and go ham.

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    @geg6: I don’t really care who you support during primaries.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @geg6: @Leto:

    I truly do see something in the background trying to divide us and set us against each other. On the basis of race and gender hidden as “electability.”

    Personally, I prefer discussions to being harrassed with blowhard tweets. Also love hearing what people are for, which is way more instructive than what they are against.

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    @geg6: Also please show me where I have made Bernie Bro like comments and harangued people to support Harris.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Leto: Hmmm. That term “ham” came out yesterday, too, but don’t remember. Maybe it means “disparage”?

    Ciao for now. Gotta go out for a while.

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    Doug R says:

    @Mnemosyne: Sady Doyle is teh awesome.

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    Emerald says:

    @opiejeanne: Tulsi’s scared to go on a stage again with Kamala. Kamala’s gonna take her down, and Tulsi knows it.

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    geg6 says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I never said you were making Berniebro type comments. Just that there are some people here who are irritating the hell out of me in the same way. If you see yourself in that, perhaps you should examine why that might be.

    However, you are one of the commenters who have gone all in on bashing Warren and everything she says or does. And that’s fine. It just means I won’t be paying much attention to anything else you have to say about the primary or the candidates. As I said above, I have no real idea who you support. However, your and others’ continuous contempt for Warren does not make me feel any warm fuzzies for anyone you decide to support, that for sure. I’m over this shit. I lived through 2016 and I’m not going to quietly sit back and let people tear down a perfectly good candidate, especially compared to Biden, for absolutely no reason again.

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    HumboldtBlue says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Going “ham” means going “crazy”

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    geg6 says:

    @Emerald:

    I honestly have seen little evidence that she can take anyone down. She has not impressed me in any of the debates, even the one where she supposedly murdered Joe Biden on stage. It was so obviously rehearsed and staged. Maybe never having lived in California or really knowing anything about her, I’m immune? But from what I can see of the polls, the denizens of her own state are not impressed either. I just don’t get why people are so in love with her. But then, I feel the same way about Buttagieg and Biden. They are perfectly fine in the offices they currently or recently held, but not presidential material in my book.

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    Leto says:

    @Elizabelle: I just came back from dog walkies and it helped. I was sitting for too long, anyways. To “go ham” just means to go crazy. Also agreed with the points you brought up.

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    @geg6: You made an accusation but couldn’t back it up.

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    Doug R says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    They (and I) don’t see what most of this blog comment section sees in her. We are just not that into her. Her audiences are fifty shades of pale. Look at most of the photos of her rallies and speeches.
    For all the talk of listening to black women FP looks like R Congressional caucus. And rikyrah is admonished for bringing up her concerns about EW.

    She’s got lower negatives than Biden or Wilmer

    Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

    A Quinnipiac University national poll last week showed Warren winning 19 percent of the African American vote — a 9-point jump over the poll’s August results. In the latest Morning Consult poll, released Wednesday, she’s up by 5 percentage points with black voters since August.

    Those advances have played a role in her surging overall numbers, which have seen Warren expand her lead over the African American candidates in the primary — Sens. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker — and even overtake Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders in some state and national polls.

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    Doug R says:

    @Kay:

    Oh, that’s nice. Sadly it’s like pulling teeth to get them out to vote and “respectful” probably won’t do it. They could run the country if they would turn out at better than 15%. They just get SWAMPED by older people with their 60,65,70% turnout. My neighborhood is both older and better off than most of this small city. The precinct turn out is 85%. :)

    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18516645/2018-midterms-voter-turnout-census

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    James E Powell says:

    @waratah:

    If Joe Biden, his family, and his friends believe that, considering his years respecting the institutions like the NYT, faithfully serving the corporate donor class, and playing the game by the rules, he deserves better than this, they should remember that the same was true for Al Gore and Hillary Clinton.

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    Mayur says:

    @cleek: wait you know Yewande? So do I!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    But he really doesn’t like beaches so much. Just hanging out on a beach bores him.

    He doesn’t girl watch?
    Oh, Little Imma….you’re young and at the beach….people watching is fun :)

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    rikyrah says:

    @opiejeanne:

    Tulsi doesn’t want to answer questions about Syria.

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    chopper says:

    so biden stood there dumbfounded for like a week while trump and the gop lies portrayed his own son as a dirty, thieving bankster and hey look he’s finally doing something WAY TO GO JOE YOU GOT THIS!

    and people talk shit about other candidate’s political instincts.

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    chopper says:

    @Doug R:

    shrug. people gonna hate on someone no matter what you point out. FIDO.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Not a good trip for recipes. She was in poor health (and a bad mood) after falling and fracturing her pelvis a few weeks before, and then my RWNJ brother and I dropped the “You can’t drive anymore” bomb on her, with predictable results. 😬

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @cleek: Wow, props on the hot SIL with the hot recipes! Will have to bookmark, altho’ my particular friend D actively dislikes pepper-hot, which is sad because I adore it. Wait till I break the news to him about his soul…! : 0

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    Chris Johnson says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    There’s a new online (?) magazine called Dame that wrote an editorial about the bullshit criticism of Elizabeth Warren saying that she was fired for being pregnant and it is ON POINT about the misogyny of the self-proclaimed “dirtbag left.”

    DON’T pay attention to the ‘dirtbag left’. Take that from me, ‘cos I was very sympathetic and looked into it a lot deeper than most of you, and ended up knowing more.

    It’s straight-up Russian disinformation largely managed on sites that can be manipulated using troll farms. Not so much 4chan but very much Reddit, and that’s how I worked out what it really was (BIG disappointment to me). The hard lefties themselves are not automatically Russian-controlled, but when you say ‘dirtbag left’ that’s a particular set that have been co-opted, their social places taken and controlled. I’ve seen it being done. Any social media place that can either be swarmed (such as by ‘Bernie Bros’ who are plainly Russian controlled) or vote-bombed (Reddit: if you post something on a ‘dirtbag left’ subreddit there is IMMEDIATE coordinated vote brigading to bury the unwanted thing, plus any unwanted comments on desirable-to-Russia posts). And they definitely have wanted Sanders, probably because of kompromat and the belief they could flip in the general election and bury him completely.

    It seems like the Russians don’t want Warren at all. That makes me like her more. They’re working hard on all fronts to take her down. I think they want to run against Sanders or Biden, probably in the belief that they can screw either old white man over more effectively once it’s the general.

    As for the ‘dirtbag left’ you cannot curry favor from Russian operatives as a political strategy. Never ever try to appease the ‘dirtbag left’.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Warren isn’t my favorite, but she does seem to be running a good campaign, which is pretty important.

    Biden built up a big reservoir of goodwill as VP, but there’s a reason he never did very well in his previous attempts at getting the nomination. He’s a good guy, but not great on the campaign trail.

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    Mayur says:

    @Mayur: sorry Edit function broken. Obviously you know her since she’s your SIL. I am a friend through her spouse and now curious as to what the relationship is!

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    Dmbeaster says:

    @chopper: This is the key point about Biden. He has never been able to campaign with any vigor. The Biden sliming coming from Trump required an angry response, particularly since its family. If anything, it was a huge opportunity. Doing nothing in response was a huge error. Doing something about it too late looks calculated and weak – not genuine.

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    Marcopolo says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Thank you so much for doing this. Registering new voters is the foundational work of winning elections. I just wish there was a legal way to tag them with a tracking device to keep tabs on them and make sure they get out to the polls on election day (jk…mostly).

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