Seriously, though, Jeb, you're the guy who once forced a husband to keep his dead wife on life support for your horrible religious beliefs.
I don't think hearing Trump say "bullshit" is the biggest obscenity Little Bush is gonna have to deal with. https://t.co/yBs3Zru3iV
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) October 5, 2019
It’s not so much that Trump’s office blew off Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, and their fellows… it’s that the best defenders available were a handful of guys like Gym ‘I saw *nuffink*!’ Jordan & Matt ‘What DWI?’ Gaetz. (Bonus laffs: Kevin ‘Sort out the Starbursts’ McCarthy is coordinating their efforts.) From Bloomberg, “Blindsided Trump Allies Urge Better Coordination on Impeachment”:
… Frustrated that they didn’t get a heads-up that Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, would be prevented from appearing on Tuesday, a handful of GOP lawmakers went to the White House to discuss the issue with Trump and senior advisers, one of the people said.
In response, White House officials agreed to improve communication of their impeachment strategy with allies who are on the front lines, the people said. They asked not to be identified discussing private conversations between Trump and the lawmakers.
The impromptu huddle highlights the risks of Trump’s vigorous but improvised self-defense against the impeachment inquiry House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced two weeks ago. While many Republicans, especially in the House, are anxious to defend the president, they could step into political danger if they’re caught off guard by Trump’s actions…
Among the lawmakers identified as meeting with Trump on Tuesday were Representatives Jim Jordan of Ohio, Mark Meadows of North Carolina, Matt Gaetz of Florida, Lee Zeldin of New York and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania. Before heading to the White House, the group spoke with reporters outside the congressional offices where Sondland was supposed to testify…
But less than an hour before the testimony was to begin, Robert Luskin, the attorney representing the ambassador, informed the committees that the State Department instructed his client not to appear. Republicans got that information from news reports.
Jordan, who is the senior Republican on the Oversight and Reform Committee, expressed regret that the panels wouldn’t hear from Sondland on Tuesday. But he said he understands why the State Department blocked the deposition “based on the unfair and partisan process” he said Democrats are running…
House Republican are holding almost daily strategy sessions led by Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy to combat the Democratic impeachment effort. Tuesday’s episode was the latest in what some Republicans have complained is the less-than-tight coordination between the White House and Trump’s Republican defenders in Congress…
IMO, “vigorous but improvised self-defense” instead of ‘frantic public tantrum / breakdown’ is one of the better euphemisms we’ve seen this week, but of course it’s only Tuesday.
Mary G
Their defense is working so well that support for impeachment went up 20% in like 10 days. Seriously, the decision to go with Know-Nothingism is finally biting the Republicans in the ass. McCarthy, Gaetz, and Jordan are very weak reeds to rely on. So is Cipollone with that stupid letter.
ETA: guessed the spelling and was wrong
Cheryl Rofer
REPUBS IN DISARRAY!
laura
I wouldn’t trust gym jordan, meadows, gaetz and McCarty to transport a cat to the vet’s, but I guess you defend impeachment with the clown shoes you have, not the clown shoes you want.
Hee hee hee hee haw….
laura
@laura: also, too, Jeb can eat a bottomless bag of salted dicks…
Cheryl Rofer
Nice response from Pelosi. I was thinking that something short and sweet would be best, and she does not disappoint.
germy
My cat put up a vigorous but improvised self-defense when I tried to get her into her carrier for a vet visit. She was unsuccessful.
jl
Thanks for the hilarious quotes from the GOPers. Made me laugh.
“Blindsided Trump Allies Urge Better Coordination on Impeachment”
Not sure what that means, they can read twitter as well as the rest of us.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Cheryl Rofer:
Pelosi shows why she has the gavel is one of only two politicians in history to become Speaker twice in the last 100 years
cain
@Cheryl Rofer:
Well, I”m hoping that some people get some serious fines. No need to jail em, just start taking their money.
The other thing is that they have that power over the budget, if they want to go broke – hold the entire nation’s money hostage until they get them to show up. Let’s see what happens then. It might amek our side uncomfortable, but once those fuckers hand over documents it will start get real apparent that some shady shit is going down.
Juju
Holy moly! It is only Tuesday.
germy
This place will be a shambles by Friday.
Mary G
Well, he doesn’t care what Pat Robertson and Lindsay Graham have to say, Turkey’s going ahead to take out the Kurds:
I mistakenly put this in the last thread, so I’m repeating it here. I don’t have words to say how horrifying this is. Professional vandal is good, AL.
Mary G
@Mary G: Missed the last tweet.
Putin will make sure to push people to try to migrate.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Shit. It seems to me that any administration that has to depend on fuckwads like Gaetz and Jordan is just flat doomed. These are really the people you want to send out to make your case? How fucking sad is that? And how fucking funny is it? I can’t tell whether it’s more funny than sad or the other way around.
And it isn’t only that they’re dumber than a bag of salted hammers; they’re repellent people personally, less appealing than a hat full of assholes.
Duane
@germy: My grandson puts up a vigorous but improvised self-defense when it’s bedtime. Then he gets a bottle.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@cain: I was thinking fines are the way to go, but how do you collect them? Can’t they just ignore the imposed fines? I don’t know how that works.
mrmoshpotato
@Cheryl Rofer: Much more eloquent than what I would have written.
“Haha Rethuglicans! That’s cute. Eat a bag of dicks!”
cain
Oh man, these two guys – Chris Murphy and Brian Schatz have been doing this back and forth between them like a two man comedy routine. hah!
Cheryl Rofer
@mrmoshpotato: Yes, what I was thinking of was much shorter and less polished too.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Juju: Don’t ya love Infrastructure Week?
Mary G
@cain: They are great.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
An NBC piece
Gin & Tonic
In other news, the last of this season’s tomatoes are cooking down into green tomato relish as I write this.
cain
@Mary G:
They are. They frequently do this back and forth between them. They’ve gotten quite good at it. Super relatable folks I think. It’s that kind of humor that keeps us going.
patroclus
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Which one wasn’t a politician – Sam Rayburn or Joe Martin?
dmsilev
@cain: Article subhead at the Washington Post this morning:
Dorothy A. Winsor
@ Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) : Thanks. That’s a nice explanation and history. I still don’t see how Congress would enforce a fine though. The fact that the AG is part of the problem means they can’t rely on Justice to enforce anything. I have to admit I’d kind of like to see one of them go to jail.
Raven
@Gin & Tonic: And I just set up a google mesh network and it is awesome! Connectivity in the basement!
Dan B
@Mary G: The abandonment of the Kurds, the end of Open Skies, and the Supreme Court LGBR cases have me in a horrible funk. Chaos is on the move aided by our leaders. And they want to destroy Medicare and Social Security. I get my first SS check tomorrow and the economy seems to be about to collapse.
Hard to find the strength to keep on keeping on. But I’m imagining the darkness means the dawn will soon follow.
Kay
Gross.
Mary G
Raven
@Dan B: I started mine a couple of months short of my 70th to finance some fishing trips, my first pension check should be here shortly!
Dan B
@dmsilev: Humor like this and Rep. Chris Murphy is a tonic for the soul.
Gin & Tonic
@Raven: You can’t put that on a burger, though.
SFAW
@cain:
Few people know this, but “Malicious Captain Kangaroo” is an anagram for “Drunk Moron Matt Gaetz.” Sort of.
RAVEN
@Gin & Tonic: No but I can look at some klller cooking vids now!
Mary G
@Dan B: I know. I was almost in tears Sunday night with the abandonment of the Kurds and even thought about just getting drunk and stop reading the news. But that’s what they want:
I’ll be damned if I let Vlad gaslight me.
Ohio Mom
@cain: Oh I disagree. Fines are not enough, jail time is absolutely necessary. It underlines that no one is above the law, and it makes for good TV.
For all those people who are not clear on what is going on, a nice visual of convicted Trump administration officials sporting striped outfits/jumpsuits will communicate loud and clear, these people broke the law.
Also, being incarcerated is a drag and they deserve it.
khead
“Juuling and watching Malicious Captain Kangaroo” just doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
Dan B
@Raven: Self employed for 40 years so SS was a big part of the retirement plan. Luckily I made big money several years in a row early on – worked for a lot of clients who made big bucks cutting down trees. So the SS should keep me going but not if the GOP pulls off their coup.
scott (the other one)
If only Trump had had the class to simply call someone “a major league asshole,” like JEB!’s brother.
Raven
@Dan B: I stumbled into a 20 year job in higher ed that has a pension so I know I’m really lucky.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Dan B: To quote The Boss: Hold on to your anger. Don’t fall to your fear.
Mary G
Wohl and Burkman are at it again, this time with Kamala:
zhena gogolia
@Dan B:
Senator!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Yup, who’s going to collect the fines? Have the House hire a debt collector?
Sab
@Mary G: Called Rob Portman (Ohio) office and amazingly one he had staff answering, and two they were tolerant of my point of view.
Call, call, call your Congress critter and Senators to let them know you are horrified.I think we are getting through.
Aleta
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Ohio Mom: But as the NBC piece that Goku linked to mentioned that it might be difficult to actually get these folk into custody, they have their own security details.
Leto
While we were distracted by The Dipshit Letter: Trump awards Medal of Freedom to Ed Meese
There is no God.
Leto
@?BillinGlendaleCA: private security versus duly appointed officers of the law. Let’s see how that usually plays out.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto: I don’t think that in the case of cabinet officials, it’s private security.
Barbara
@Mary G: Every time I see their bs announcements I smile a little because the address is in the condo complex where I lived many moons ago. I wonder what the neighbors think.
mrmoshpotato
@Mary G: Harris must feel scorned. She just gets a “former personal trainer?”
Ahhh….these yahoos.
NotMax
Charter members of the circular thumbsucking squad.
Dan B
@Mary G: I get down at times but have realized it’s best to just go with the feelings. They will pass but nit if I stuff them.
Rothkopf is right but it seems like the war is nearly worldwide. It’s the dying gasp of the fossil fuel billionaires. Putin is just trying to disrupt movements that would help the conversion to the renewable energy economy. There are other oligarchies based upon resources as in Brasil but they share the dislike of keeping oil in the ground.
patrick II
@jl:
That’s about the same thing the Kurds are saying.
Barbara
@Mary G: P.S. would it surprise you to know that Burkman has a dog named Jack Jr.?
gene108
@Mary G:
Would love for someone to clarify, with McCarthy that when he told Paul Ryan Trump’s on Putin’s payroll, what exactly did he base this on? Is there something Kevin isn’t sharing?
Leto
@?BillinGlendaleCA: So you’re saying other officers of the law… people who swore an oath to the Constitution, not Bill Barr or other officials? Yeah, I’ll still go with officers of the law serving a warrant for an arrest.
jl
@mrmoshpotato: ‘ Harris must feel scorned. She just gets a “former personal trainer?” ‘
Warren got a combat decorated former US Marine turned bodybuilder. And bondage S&M. All Harris rates is ‘sex-capades’?
Unfair. Bias. Or just, W&B are running out of steam.
schrodingers_cat
@Aleta: Yes, I saw that. It will be litigated. This is a step against citizens who want to sponsor their immediate family (parents, spouse, children)
Ohio Mom
@Sab: That IS amazing. When I call a Portman office, I only get a human about a third of the time. Either he can’t keep interns or they are the laziest bunch.
patrick II
@Mary G:
It is clear the Turkish – Russian coordination is not a last minute improvisation. For whatever reason they knew which way trump was going to go when Erdogan said “jump!”
NotMax
@Raven
The Google graveyard is getting packed.
;)
mrmoshpotato
@Barbara: I think you’ll enjoy this – Crooks and Liars – Broken Glass and Burlap Cease and Desist Letter
MomSense
The news is just – ugh. I was too busy to check in on anything today and then finally tonight I started reading. I’m so angry.
Leto
@jl: I guess they shot their load all at once on Warren.
I’ll see myself out. BJ after starts now; tip your servers!
mrmoshpotato
@jl: Not sure, but they should fire their writers (themselves) (and proofreaders) out of a cannon and into the sun.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Ohio Mom:
Heard some ad on the radio praising Portman for standing up for healthcare and “trying to take patients out of the claims process” or something. Paid for by a physicians group. He’s not up for reelection until 2022. WTF?
mrmoshpotato
@MomSense: Rethuglican trash gonna be Rethuglican trash.
NotMax
Heh. Dolt 45 campaign ad just aired during commercial break on … MSNBC.
(Dunno if it was a network buy or a local market cut-in.)
schrodingers_cat
@MomSense: I am heartsick about what ShaMo (Shah-Modi) are doing in India. It seems like they will not be happy unless rivers of blood flow in every state and every town like they did in the border areas between India and Pakistan during partition. They are opening every fissure in Indian society and reopening many wounds. And they don’t have the equivalent of Nancy Pelosi or the Democratic party either. The opposition is MIA.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
No problem. This is something nobody ever saw coming. A lot like letting the elected Secretarys of State of US states oversee their own election. A recipe for corruption and abuse and nobody saw the potential apparently. Or perhaps they did and were fine with that
lamh36
HISTORY! Montgomery. Alabama elects first African American mayor, in the city’s 200 YEAR HISTORY!!!!
https://twitter.com/adamhsays/status/1181740507191484418?s=21
Ohio Mom
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Okay, we are just going to accept that if you are rich and powerful enough to hire your own security, it’s too hard to arrest you so we’re not going to bother? That’s just giving up on any idea of equal before the law, of the rule of law, of democracy…
At this point I’m about ready to say, then shoot ‘em like they are a Black male just minding his own business.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@NotMax:
If the Trump campaign wants to waste their own money, I applaud them for that. Please proceed dipshits
Mary G
@Barbara: I know I’d hate it. They call it “Election 2020 Headquarters” then it’s a TV on the stairs by the driveway with two extension cords. Somewhere I read that a bunch of hecklers showed up for the Liz Warren bit, and they asked the security guard they’d hired to run them off and he said no, because the sidewalk is public property. It’s almost performance art at this point, except that some old yahoos believe them.
NotMax
@jl
The sole of America will be shocked!
//
Starfish
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Their wages can’t be garnished?
Mary G
@lamh36:
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Check the oil and brake pads while you’re at it.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Ohio Mom:
Bill was talking about their government security detail. As in agents that work for the federal government. The cabinet members especially have these details, not private ones
Leto
@NotMax: That ad has been running for almost a week now during Maddow’s time slot. I’m not sure who they think they’re targeting but ok… good thirty second clip of 100% lies. Kewl.
Leto
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
?
EDIT: Some of the officials do have private security. Again, try to stop an officer of the law from executing a warrant.
Here’s who can receive “official” federal protection. Note how limited it is: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/IF10843.pdf
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Starfish: Sure, who’s doing the garnishing? We’re talking high level employees of the Executive Branch, might as well ask the US Attorney to bring up the contempt referrals.
@Ohio Mom: We’re not talking about people hiring private security, we’re talking about sworn officers on each side.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto:
The NBC piece that Goku linked to was talking about Cabinet level folk who have government security, that’s what I was referring to.
NotMax
@Leto
My ears are trained to turn off when ads come on but they were a little slow off the block today.
The Lodger
@Barbara: Naming someone Jr. is common among blood relatives.
mrmoshpotato
Regarding Stonekettle’s tweet, won’t someone think of JEB!’s virgin ears?!
Also, please clap.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
With the practicalities of arresting high-level executive appointees addressed, at the end of the day though, aren’t the security details protecting criminals? Clearly, assholes like Barr, Pompeo, etc are obstructing Congress from exercising their oversight powers by refusing to turn over requested documents and testify before the Committees. That makes them accessories
Leto
@?BillinGlendaleCA: this was an edit above, but here:
mrmoshpotato
@The Lodger: You. are. terrible. ?
Leto
@NotMax: I usually blank out too, but sometimes we’re a few mins behind so we’re fast forwarding through commercials. When I saw it air the first time, I was like, “WTF???”, did watch it and was just laughed.
Mary G
@?BillinGlendaleCA: A problem with fining them is that it’s Steve Munchkin running the Treasury, and the odds of him agreeing to garnish salaries are none.
Ohio Mom
@?BillinGlendaleCA: You’re right, I stand corrected, I finally went and read the NBC article.
Which was long on listing the challenges of forcing compliance and rather short on what it means for the Republic if Congress isn’t able to follow through.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto: But if you read down towards the bottom, it’s much more widespread.
The Lodger
@mrmoshpotato: I aim to please.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Yes.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mary G: Yup, as I noted above, about the same chances as getting Bill Barr to pursue contempt referrals.
Another Scott
@Mary G: It looks like OPM does the Garnishment. Dale Cabaniss is the head of OPM.
Cheers,
Scott.
Percysowner
Bernie Sanders is changing the “nature” of his campaign, for what its worth
Steve in the ATL
@schrodingers_cat:
Like, say, hmmm…uh, Melania trump?
Sab
When my aunt died my uncle was lonely so he got a cocker spaniel. When he died I took in his cocker. Six week waiting list for the
groomer. Got his fur shaved, and now its 40 degrees at night and not much warmer in the morning.
Sweet sweet elderly cocker doesn’t deserve this, having been a very good boy all his life.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Mary G:
The House could withhold funds for the Treasury Department until Mnuchin agrees
ETA: OMB, since they garnish wages
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Another Scott:
Huh. I thought boy wonder, Mick Mulvaney, was heading both the WH and the OMB? I guess they finally found a hack to fill the slot. I’m sure babysitting Trump is a full time job
Another Scott
In case we need a reminder…. Twitter:
(via commiegirl1)
Cheers,
Scott.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Sab: When it gets cold, my cocker wants her sweater.
Mary G
@Percysowner: Bernie’s daughter-in-law, age 46, came down with a mystery disease three weeks ago. Turned out to be cancer and she just died. Condolences to their family.
Kent
@mrmoshpotato:
That should be her response! “How come Elizabeth got BDSM wth an ex-Marine and all I got is “sexcapades” with a “former personal trainer?”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: OPM, not OMB.
MomSense
@schrodingers_cat:
I know. The horrors of Modi and the betrayal of the Kurds are just overwhelming. We can’t make this right.
H.E.Wolf
@lamh36:
“Let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Memorial
Steve in the ATL
@?BillinGlendaleCA: “if you leave” is a great song!
Juju
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I have begun to loath infrastructure week. It seems to be the never ending infrastructure week, or groundhog infrastructure day.
Mary G
schrodingers_cat
@Steve in the ATL: Well Melania has already sponsored her parents so its not going to affect her.
Steve in the ATL
@Mary G: is there a bat signal for HR?
Jay
@Sab:
Sweaters. GG had a down puffy vest and booties with leggings so she could deal with the cold, ( short coat, two TPLO’s, lots of stainless steel, my $6,000 Bionic pit x, worth every penny) . Wood fires and puffy doggie bed to keep artheritis abey.
Sab
@Ohio Mom: Yes I was amazed. Next time I get through I will comment on how inaccessible his constituents feel his office is.
Sherrod Brown’s guys are always there, even if they think you will chew their ears off.
Another Scott
GovExec:
More at the link.
Cheers,
Scott.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
D’oh! Thanks ‘^^. They’re easy to mix up as acronyms
Jay
Sab
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I cant find his sweater.
He loves it, because when he wears it people think he is cute and needs patting. Which he does, even when he is bald and sweaterless.
Amir Khalid
@Mary G:
If they weren’t so fond of crowding together like that, maybe bats wouldn’t spend so much time arguing over personal space or unwelcome advances to their partners. Did they ever think of that, huh?
Kay
Nancy’s read the constitution so I don’t think she’ll allow President Trump and his sleazy lawyers rewriting it.
delk
@Steve in the ATL: saw them with Thompson Twins at the UIC Forum back in the ‘80’s.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Another Scott:
This sounds awful close to the Nuremberg Defense, tbh
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Most common phrase in Bat: “Don’t make me pull this cave over to the side of the road!”
:)
Sab
@Jay: Knitting madly as we speak (read).
Jay
Another Scott
Twitter:
(via nycsouthpaw)
Cheers,
Scott.
Belafon
I haven’t posted here as often as I used to, but I know all of you still love pets. The daughter of a friend of ours adopted a dog that was hit by a car. The dog suffered a broken leg, and will need surgery to fix it, and she needs help:
There are some great pictures of the dog, and a nasty x-ray of the double break.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Another Scott:
I’ve always thought that “Leader McConnell” thing he does instead of “Maj. Leader McConnell” is so lame. I have to wonder if he ever bothers to write those tweets or he has his office write them for him
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Sab:
Speaking of Portman, he isn’t up for reelection until 2022, but I heard some ad on the radio pumping him for defending healthcare or such bs paid for by some physicians group. I can’t fathom why they’re running ads this early
Another Scott
@Belafon: :-(
Donated. Thanks for the pointer. Best of luck to her and her pup.
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Politically raking the forest floor. Or he harbors delusions of replacing Pence on the ticket. Or both.
Jay
Kay
Now they’re just saying it straight out.
Jay
@Sab:
Check out second hand shops for sleeping bags, in the mean time.
Moar popcorn and cuddles in the short term.
SFAW
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Abbreviations, not acronyms.
Unless English has added the words “opm” and “omb” and I missed the news, that is.
Sally
@Kent: Or they could have a competition, “my paramour versus yours” in a triathlon or such. With a swimsuit parade, though these women might find that too objectifying. Fundraising bonanza! Maybe wait till Jack and Jake have got all their wish list out. Double entendre intended.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
Ryan vows to stay in race
LOL. Sure, he’s a “powerful leader”, while he’s been nothing but a backbencher his entire career. My congressman, everybody. Ryan just needs to accept the fact he’s not going to be anything more than a House Rep
Another Scott
@SFAW: I’ve heard them called “initialisms”, myself. ;-)
If one pronounces it like a word, it’s an acronym (BASIC, COBOL, radar, laser, HIPAA, etc.).
OPM, OMB, CIA, USA, PPACA, etc., are initialisms.
/uber-pedant!
Cheers,
Scott.
Jay
Jay
@Sally:
All fine and good until we find out that they are in love/lust with eachother.
Then the narrative changes.
Amir Khalid
@Kay:
Well, “presidenticide” is kind of awkward to say.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: Dude, the reason we have these mechanisms–impeachment, elections–is so we don’t have to ever kill a king. That’s the point.
Jay
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@SFAW: @Another Scott:
I think Scott is correct here
From this piece:
I think his political instincts are bunk myself. It’s not hard to get elected in the Mahoning Valley if you have a D after your name, usually
Jay
Steve in the ATL
@Another Scott:
Off my corner, ho!
Jay
Jay
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@NotMax:
Lol
It’s an interesting question if evangelicals would get pissed if Pence was 86’d from the ticket. My magic 8-ball says, “no” tbh
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Steve in the ATL:
Nobody puts baby in the corner
Amir Khalid
@Another Scott:
That’s über-pedant.
Jay
Jay
moops
Can’t a part of NATO back the Kurds? keep the area from being a genocide? I mean, we are only a day away from a Bosnia situation. in 24 hours it will be full ethnic cleansing.
Jay
Stuck in moderation,
Steeplejack
@Sab:
Get him a $20 heating pad at Target. Wrap it in a throw in his dog bed. He’ll love it.
(Timer length is important. The housecat’s is two hours, which is pretty good.)
Jay
Kent
@moops:
Turkey is NATO.
And Syria isn’t covered by NATO. So I mean yes, the Germans or French could parachute in but this isn’t a NATO situation.
moops
@Kent: yes, we have an obvious problem that a massive a ruthless and well-armed genocide is going to start tomorrow and wipe out the Kurds. Who can stop this. It will happen and we even know roughly the hour. but who would act? do we have no diplomats to give us guidance and recommend action?
moops
Can NATIO not move against a criminal act my a member?
Jay
@moops:
Nope
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kurds-have-been-preparing-for-trumps-syria-betrayalwith-a-vengeance?via=ios
J R in WV
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Well, I thot we were talking about ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland — not a cabinet officer, just a critical witness.
Obviously they want to pick a large group of relevant witnesses less likely to have Secret Service or other federal protection. They should arrest a whole platoon all at once before dawn in raids, like taking down a whole mafia family, because that is what they are!
SFAW
@Another Scott:
That’s nice.
Considering the term “initialism” is in about as common as puns in Aramaic, “abbreviations” works fine. [For the record: I agree that “initialism” may be a more accurate term. But it appears to be a specialized case of an abbreviation.]
SFAW
@moops:
The Turks are just pissed that they didn’t get to do it to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Armenian genocide. Which they still deny, of course, and get really pissed at anyone who has the temerity to mention it.
I would not be upset to learn that the Joint Chiefs countermanded the Traitor-in-Chief’s tweet-dictum, and repelled the Ottomans. Not that I think that would ever happen.
NotMax
Another possibility is that it’s a talisman seeking wish fulfillment, from a rally rat.
(Ewww.)
Mnemosyne
@Leto:
That makes me think that Dolt 45 is watching Maddow on the sly. There’s an old advertising trick where you make sure to put the largest concentration of billboards and bus shelter ads along the route of your client’s commute so they feel like you’re really making good use of the money they pay you. I suspect a similar process here.
NotMax
@NotMax
Wrong thread.
Uncle Cosmo
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Maybe. Has anyone seen economic analysis of how a nationwide fracking ban would affect natural gas prices? I haven’t – if anyone has a link, I’d appreciate it – but I suspect those prices would go up by quite a bit. And the utilities in GOP-controlled states would use the increases to ask for & get the highest rates they could get away with. And even if they wouldn’t, the Thugs will scream to high heaven that they will.
Rethuglican ads would almost write themselves:
I really, really hope someone has a “plan” to counter that sort of thing effectively.
Barry
@Dorothy A. Winsor: ” I was thinking fines are the way to go, but how do you collect them? Can’t they just ignore the imposed fines? I don’t know how that works.”
I am skipping over some comments, so forgive any redundancy.
The judge orders all property seized, including houses and bank accounts. The bailiffs physically seize them and padlock the houses. Anybody resisting gets jailed for contempt of court.