NEW: @BernieSanders just left the hospital in Las Vegas. Asked by reporters how he was feeling, Sen. Sanders said, “great” before waving and getting in the front seat of a car.
— Annie Grayer (@AnnieGrayerCNN) October 4, 2019
Bernie Sanders’ treating physicians confirm he had a heart attack Tuesday. He has left the hospital and is expected to make good progress, they said.
— Eliza Collins (@elizacollins1) October 4, 2019
No snark: I’m old enough to remember, which means Bernie is certainly old enough to remember, when a great many men didn’t survive sudden-onset unstable angina. Especially men of his age. No matter what my personal feelings about the Sanders candidacy, I have no interest in hearing the mainstream media spend the next year giving credence to those, shall we say, more creative Sandernistas (and the Russian bots who support them) claiming that Elizabeth Warren is the inheritor of the dreadful Hillary Clinton Death Squad machinery.
With no obituaries to write, that same mainstream media is back to skirmishing with those same supporters…
When I called the campaign yesterday to point out that they should know the results of his testing by Thursday they declined to comment. Now on a Friday night the campaign sends a release with his doctor’s confirming he had a heart attack.
— Eliza Collins (@elizacollins1) October 4, 2019
.@janeosanders just spoke with the media outside @BernieSanders hospital. She says her husband “looks more energetic” than he has. When asked if he had a heart attack she said “he had a blockage. I’m not a doctor.” Says he’ll be going home this weekend and will keep us updated
— Christopher Donato (@chrisdonato04) October 4, 2019
Don’t love the ‘Lady MacBeth’ memes, but Jane O’Meara Sanders grew up in a working-class Irish-American parish just a couple of years & a few miles from the one I grew up in. The (bitter) joke among my people was that they called us Harps because we could never stop playing over our grievances in public… and, all too often, this led to playing Heavenly harps of gold, because it’s a dangerous habit to get into.
Jane and Bernie seem to be, whatever their private lives, deeply committed business partners. Political observers have pointed out that this would be a very reasonable time for Bernie to nobly withdraw from the race, take his latest $25mil quarterly donation haul, and settle back to a new role as kingmaker for the remaining candidates to court. But if Jane feels like her guy is being told Go home old man, she’s only too likely to demand that he fight on, even if that should happen to kill him. I’m not proud to say this, but we Harps do love our warrior martyrs.
Sanders campaign announces that it’s restarting the Iowa ad buy that it scrapped after his health scare; going up Tuesday
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) October 3, 2019
Please report on how @ewarren sent @BernieSanders dinner at the hospital to help him feel better because we need good news once in a while too
— jessica (@two_plus_twins) October 3, 2019
They're friends. They were friends before the campaign, and will likely be friends after the campaign. Maybe, it was done for that reason alone. Not every action has a selfish impetus. People can do good just to do good, can't they?
— Xenomorph Queen (@clumsygirlPNW) October 3, 2019
Bernie Sanders has a heart attack
Media: Get well soon, see you at the debate.
Hillary Clinton had pneumonia
Media: Will she ever recover? She should drop out.
— Aaron (@TheSarcasmShow) October 4, 2019
rikyrah
Heart attack
Heart attack, Wilmer.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
Jason Chaffetz has doth decreed that Lord High Protector Trump did nothing wrong when trying to extort Ukraine and China to have Biden thrown in prison. He was only doing his job!
Spineless.
ETA: I hope Sanders a speedy recovery. I wish him no physical ill-will. Though, I think he should drop out of the race, along with Biden. I don’t think either of them have the stamina to be POTUS
Elizabelle
I wish Bernie the grace and good health to bow out. Enough.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
in those tweets? not seeing it
NotMax
Funny, no one ever talks about the raw deal he laid on his first wife.
lollipopguild
Now Anne we all know that Obama used his HeartAttack Machine(TM) to kill Breitbart and I am sure that Obama passed it on to Killery. Someone needs to ask Killery why she has not used it on trump.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@NotMax:
Or his rape stories
Yarrow
Never misses an opportunity to hurt people.
Cacti
Somewhere, somehow, I know this has to be Hillary Clinton’s fault.
chris
I wish Bernie well and hope he retires from the fray. At his age a myocardial infarction is a big fucking deal and the prognosis is not great. But then he’s Bernie…
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Yarrow:
He signed some dumb Medicare EO in the Villages, FL the other day, claimed evil Democrats were going to steal seniors’ healthcare. Included creating health care savings accounts or something. I’ll have to ask David Anderson his take on it.
Re: immigration. This guy is a fucking dick
Cacti
Just saw this.
Median life expectancy for someone who has a heart attack at age 75 or older:
3.1 years
patrick II
@Yarrow: +
Trump doesn’t think up all of these things himself — he’s too busy watching FOX and blackmailing foreign countries. My guess is Steven Miller, but any one of his White House sadistic, racist, sycophants could come up with this crap to earn brownie points.
joel hanes
I wish Bernie well and hope he retires
… and I further hope that he lives, healthy, long enough to see this nation move in a direction more to his liking, even if the exact policies are not as he would have chosen them.
Steve in the ATL
Was the dinner that SPW sent over loaded with cholesterol? That would be funny.
Cameron
I’m a Bernie fan, but I really wish he would drop out of the race. Hell, I had to have open-heart surgery for a clogged artery when I was 64, and I was out of commission for a year, Stick with being a Senator, dude.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Cacti:
Don’t worry, VP Jill Stein would be ready to take over!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
when people like this take these kinds of jobs and do things like this, do they not get that it will become public?
Sondland, 61, appears to have never held a position in government before being named U.S. ambassador to the
I guess those diplomatic training courses he took said he could where his “I’m a Douche!’ neon-colored baseball cap
Where do you think he stayed in DC? is it too late to place a bet?
joel hanes
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
[Trump] signed some dumb Medicare EO
One of the implications of that EO is that Medicare pays too little, and that the higher costs paid by private insurance should set the standard for Medicare payments to providers.
https://twitter.com/larry_levitt/status/1180018418612887552
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I saw Leno back before the Late Night Wars. He was funny. I heard him on Marc Maron’s podcast a year or so ago, he pretty much owns it all. ‘Yeah, I’m kind of a dick, but I’m happily married and richer than god.’
the Zelig of trump corruption…
I wouldn’t mind visiting that museum. Brussels is underrated as a destination, as I recall, nice gardens, cool architecture, beer and fries and mussels and gyros, good art museum
tokyokie
A myocardial infarction means that a portion of the heart, because of lack of blood supply, has died. Balloon angioplasty, stents, and even bypass surgery can address the blockages, but if an MI occurs before such measures are taken, part of the heart is dead, and even though diet and exercise can strengthen the rest of the heart and perhaps compensate for the damage caused by the MI, it’s still a case that heart function will be inalterably reduced going forward.
Jeffro
There sure are a lot of folks heavily invested in keeping ol’ Wilmer around as a spoiler for the Dems.
I wonder why that is?
Here’s wishing him well, and wishing that he makes good choices – ones that truly benefit the causes he professes to believe in – from here on in.
Yarrow
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Jason Chaffetz who abruptly quit his job in the House of Representatives shortly after rumors of scandals including a multi-year affair and Russian money-laundering broke? That guy? He made noises about running for Governor of Utah but for some weird reason, even though that office is wide open (no incumbent) in 2020, he’s decided against running. Hard to imagine why such a fine upstanding guy would strongly defend Trump. Hmmm…..
Jeffro
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: trumpov’s actual tweet on the matter said something like “I’m going to protect Medicare from the damn soshulists who want Medicare for All!”
THAT makes sense, right? “I’m going to protect your dinner table by fighting tooth and nail against Meals For Everyone, Every time”
Only in America…
Jeffro
@Yarrow:
You can almost hear the rubles dropping into the coin slot, can’t you? I can.
Steve in the ATL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I spent a summer in Brussels at the EEC headquarters studying, uh, EEC law. The cool place to be on Friday night? On the train to Paris.
Another Scott
I can’t find it now, but someone here (I think) posted a link to a twitter video of Sanders looking very bad at the event, taking off his jacket, asking for a chair, etc. I’m glad the doctors fixed him up, but it seems unlikely to me that he’s going to be running on all cylinders in ~ 11 days at the next debate.
His Iowa ad buy being back on says something, but it’s “only” $400,000 and leaves his options open I guess.
Is he gonna listen to his heart?
We’ll see.
Get well Wilmer, and retire from the race.
Cheers,
Scott.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Steve in the ATL: Ha!
but did you go to the car museum?
@Jeffro: Or the echoes of a phone call from the patriarch of either the Romney or Huntsman clan consisting of one word: No.
I wonder if Abby Huntsman is mean enough to want to shatter a Mormon glass ceiling and stab Tagg with one of the shards.
HumboldtBlue
I’m a bit shamefaced I am fluent in American English only, a simple monoglot, but damn if I can’t understand Dona
Angela.
De Mi Rancho a Tu Cocina. (pollito enchilado)
Ken
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Well, at least it’s not fookin’ Bruges.
Steve in the ATL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I was mostly focused on le mannekin pis. I like to think that I’ve matured since then, but my wife disagrees.
Another Scott
@Ken: My J loved, loved, loved visiting Bruges. Hah! :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Yarrow: Can you even buy health insurance in the US if you aren’t resident in the US?
Steve in the ATL
@Another Scott:
Conversation at dinner tonight included a reference to a trust fund that is “only $400-500,000”. Quel dommage, n’est-ce pas?
Eat the rich! Which we would have done, but the wine was more suited to the lamb.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ken: I love Bruges, and that movie. That one fucking scene with the American tourist….
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: The EO actually mandates that Medicare and Medicare Advantage start billing like private insurance in order to create competition in the market. Which actually would destroy Medicare.
Gin & Tonic
@Steve in the ATL: You’ll love Prague, then.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: And that’s why he’s rolling over for Congress. He’s not an elected GOP official, he’s one of the people that actually owns the GOP. And he’s not going to go to prison or risk one penny of his fortune to cover for any of those people he’s been paying for for decades.
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Pretty soon it won’t matter if Barr/Trump protect the higher-ups in the administration. Asking them what happened is a waste of time anyway.
randy khan
I said this somewhat more politely at LGM, but I’m kind of ticked off at Sanders and/or the campaign for not telling us he had a heart attack until three days later. They almost certainly knew soon after he had the stents inserted, and certainly by the time they made their first public statement. We really don’t need other candidates following the bad example Trump set and not being straight with us about their health situations.
(Also: I have seen a credible explanation of why it’s very unlikely they didn’t know it was a hearth attack by Wednesday morning, but if they really didn’t know, they had no business issuing statements about his prognosis, including that he would be in the October 15 debate, before they had the necessary information.)
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@joel hanes:
Fuck that. That will help bankrupt the Medicare trust fund
@Yarrow:
Yeah, such an upstanding dude ?. He gives me the creeps. Just something about his face
@Jeffro:
Somebody earlier in the day linked to screenshot of reddit comments where an alleged Trump supporter came right out and said that right and wrong didn’t matter. That they’ve built their entire worldview around Trump and that there is no right or wrong, only winning and losing, and nothing will change their minds
That’s some of what we’re up against. Only in America indeed
Amir Khalid
@Another Scott:
They made a running repair. A proper fixing up will take the rest of Bernie’s life and require many changes to his diet and daily habits, not least reducing exposure to stress. It’s fair for prospective voters to assess if he can/should do all that and run for president.
joel hanes
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
That will help bankrupt the Medicare trust fund
Yes.
One might suspect that’s the goal.
Well, that plus further enriching providers, and thus buying their votes, in much the same manner that Trump purposes to buy the votes of farmers with bailout money.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Adam L Silverman:
How does Trump (or his donors) personally benefit from this. That’s always the question we have to ask
Kay
@Adam L Silverman:
Isn’t it the most insane thing? The Trump Administration got together and said “how can we make Medicare cost a lot more?”
They’re now actively destroying the health care coverage we have. We were better off when they spending all their time committing crimes.
Adam L Silverman
@Another Scott: Can you even do cardiac rehab while trying to campaign for president? The latter is not exactly compatible with the former.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Chaffetz had been Huntsman’s protege. And then Chaffetz turned on him. Huntsman can’t stand him and for the portion of the Utah/Latter Day Saints elites and notables that are pro-Huntsman, Chaffetz is persona non grata.
Chetan Murthy
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Given what I’ve read about private equity buying up ERs and medical practices, then jacking up rates thru the sky when they can get away with it (viz. “balance billing”), I’d guess that your question has at least a few easy answers. Perhaps other more complex ones, but there are so many obvious culprits with their hands out (and their checkbooks open ….)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@randy khan: I suspect that damage he’s done by creating his cult three years ago is unfixable, let’s hope it’s manageable, can be overcome with other voters. And maybe people will stop throwing money better spent elsewhere and later at him.
Adam L Silverman
@Kay: Please see my comment at #38.
Another Scott
@Steve in the ATL: Wilmer spent something like that on that whirlwind trip to “visit the Pope” in 2016.
It’s pocket change to him.
I’d prefer to tax the rich rather than eat them, myself. ;-)
Some economists (Pikety? Angry Bear? Others?) did some figuring a few years ago, looking at history and the US economy was strongest when the top marginal rate was something like 75%. Until we have a way to do something like Warren’s 2% over $50M wealth tax, we need much higher marginal rates for those that have made the vast majority of the gains in the last 40 years. It’s killing the middle and lower classes, and the economy, not to do so.
/rant
And just for you – Grrr….!
Cheers,
Scott.
Amir Khalid
@Amir Khalid:
No, that’s not quite right. Bernie’s heart situation is not fixable, but it is manageable.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m a nursing student, not a cardiologist, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say probably not, especially not a 78 year old.
He really should just suspend his campaign. I don’t personally like the man, but I don’t want to see him collapse and die
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: That’s the point: to bankrupt the Medicare trust fund and destroy the program. It doesn’t matter how many times it is explained to them, Republicans and conservatives on Medicare/approaching Medicare age refuse to believe this is actually what the Republicans and the conservative movement are trying to do.
Eolirin
@Adam L Silverman: Wait how does this affect the 80/20 split that Medicare has with patient out of pocket costs? If this works the way I’m thinking that’s going to do more than just bankrupt Medicare.
Yarrow
@Another Scott: I thought he looked unwell at the last debate. There was something wrong with his voice and he took a few days off the campaign trail to rest it shortly after, but it wasn’t just that. He looked flushed and unwell.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I was half-snarking. The Huntsman who was governor, or the Old Man Himself? Is he still with us?
that may be the worst thing I’ve ever heard about the Huntsmans, and I don’t like them. One of the podcasting O’Bros, Rhodes I think, recently told a story about Jon Huntsman from the Obama years, not interesting enough that I remember, but I think the upshot was he’s a cynical, ambitious and shallow. Not shocking, I know.
ETA: is there a feud between the Romneys and the Huntsmans to see who can be the Boss of Utah, or did I make that up in my head because I want it to be true?
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Longstanding Republican and movement conservative goal has been destroying the New Deal and the social insurance programs that are rooted in it.
joel hanes
@Another Scott:
the US economy was strongest when the top marginal rate was something like 75%.
… we need much higher marginal rates for those that have made the vast majority of the gains in the last 40 years
quoted for truth.
Adam L Silverman
@Kay: I’m sure that AARP has their attorneys all teed up to file an injunction to stop the EO.
Yarrow
@Jeffro: Well, the rubles may have been dropping in the coin slot. These days he’s probably just hoping no one finds the kompromat.
Kay
@Eolirin:
It should probably get more attention. They snuck it past in the middle of the exposure of their crime spree and it’s almost certainly horrible and a rip off.
Also, if it’s as bad as the rest of their work D’s could use it against them.
mrmoshpotato
@randy khan:
How date you speak ill of the far, orange Dog Emperor who’s going to live to be 200!
Another Scott
@Adam L Silverman: Dunno.
Biden seems to be running for president, and leading in many polls, by staying out of the news and attending big-dollar fundraisers that get little press. It’s hard to say what Wilmer can do going forward.
What he should do is obvious to me. He should go back to being “just” a senator. We know that people can do that job as long as they can sit up and say “without objection it’s so ordered” when prompted by an aid sitting behind them.
I expect him to drop out. If he’s smart he’ll do it before he loses Iowa and the rest of the contests and devote more time to recovery.
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: I’m not advocating or supporting physical harm to him. But I watched my mom go through cardiac rehab in 1998 after a triple bypass that was performed before she had a heart attack. I don’t see how he can do that and campaign and expect not to actually make things worse. Just the campaigning alone is going to make it worse. I would think that if he continues to campaign he runs the real risk, with an ever increasing probability, of causing significant further damage. I get ego, but something’s just aren’t worth it. If he was smart, or if he had people around him who actually carried about him as a person, not as a source of income or a figurehead or as a potential martyr, they’d make it clear that he’s moved the party towards his positions, he can declare victory, become a grand old man of the party and the movement, go get healthy, and live as well as he can for as long as he can. Or he can kill himself so that David Sirota, Faz Shakir, and that comic book guy can bill 6 figures a month.
Adam L Silverman
@Eolirin: I’m the “this is how you foment a rebellion and take over a country” guy. For details on what is proposed in the EO you need to speak to Dave Anderson who is the “I’ll explain insurance to you” guy.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ambassador Huntsman who was also Governor Huntsman. He hired Chaffetz. Gave him his start in Utah politics after he converted from Judaism to Latter Day Saint. Mentored him. And at the first opportune moment, Chaffetz stuck the knife right in Huntsman’s back.
Chetan Murthy
@Adam L Silverman:
He could be the eminence grise of the “outside” movement that holds P(resident)PW’s feet to the fire, “making her do it” [h/t FDR, IIRC].He’d be feted as a kingmaker (well, queen-maker, but same diff) and ideas man. Oh, sigh.
Eolirin
@Kay: Given that it has the potential to make existing seniors’ medical bills completely unaffordable, for themselves and their families, yes, yes it does. And the electoral consequences of that should make the 2018 elections look like nothing. This is potentially the biggest and most egregiously self destructive political act in modern history.
Even McConnell shies away from touching Medicare in an immediate way, and for good reason.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: As for how the Romneys and the Hunstmans (Huntsmen? Hunstpeople?) get along, I have no idea.
JWR
@Jeffro: @Jeffro:
Speaking of rubles, I accidentally* came across The Jimmy Dore Show this afternoon, and wow, dude is freakin’ unreal. All this Trump-Ukraine stuff, said Dore, is far outweighed by the Joe and Hunter Biden corruption “scandal”. And that was just one of the GOP talking points he repeated, sometimes verbatim.
I’ve long known that his show consisted of Bernie!Bro BS, with bad impersonations of Schumer and Pelosi, but I thought he was basically harmless. No more! Dude’s gotta go! I’m gonna write to KPFK demanding they remove him from their precious airwaves.
*What really pisses me off is that he shares the 5PM (Friday) time slot with Ian Masters, (Mon-Thu), who puts on a great program, and I forgot that it’s Friday.
Kay
@Adam L Silverman:
I love this scandal because hundreds of people knew about it, so Trump/Barr can’t successfully obstruct. At some point the big shots will want to testify to tell their side of the story :)
Yarrow
@Adam L Silverman:
Tourists can. I know people visiting from Europe buy tourist health insurance because if they have some health issue while here it would bankrupt them.
Yarrow
@Adam L Silverman: They don’t like each other, from what I’ve read.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Adam L Silverman:
I didn’t mean to imply you did. I guess it kind of came out that way, didn’t it? I agree, he should just call it quits. In fact, he’s being pretty selfish. His Senate seat would go to a Republican wouldn’t it? Ohio is in the same situation. If Brown ever resigns his seat or dies, it will be Republican-held for the foreseeable future
Kay
@Eolirin:
Right. And they’re giant liars and sneaky too, so sliding it in amid the crime uproar should make everyone suspicious.
I can’t even imagine who in this administration could explain a health care change anyway. Be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Eolirin
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Vermont is unlikely to elect a republican to the senate.
Adam L Silverman
@Yarrow: People with ethics that aren’t situational, which is my understanding of Ambassador Huntsman, usually don’t like those whose ethics are solely situational.
Chetan Murthy
@Eolirin: http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx
Anne Laurie
@Another Scott:
Entirely tangential, but: That trip was *most certainly* Jane’s doing — it’s the one ‘campaign gaffe’ I’m sure she’s responsible for, even if Sanders’ non-family staffers have the habit of blaming every misstep on her. For women of her background, getting to see The Pope in person — having him ‘bless’ Bernie’s candidacy!!! — actually *would* seem like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, with a little bit of personal pilgrimage to add flavor. Don’t believe me? Read up on Rose Kennedy, or even her daughters. It wouldn’t have meant beans to Bernie, except perhaps as proof that he was important enough for the Pope to be consulting, but Jane would’ve swum the Atlantic, both ways, for that kind of “blessing”.
(I cannot tell you how many times I have thanked the minor gods of chaos that I was not born just a crucial five or six years sooner, e.g. pre-Vatican II. The parochial school passed out copies of the Baltimore Catechism to my second-grade class, but Pope John XXIII’s conclave meant those questions were obsolete before we could be tested on them. The social divide between pre-VII and post-VIII meant almost as much for the girls in my high school class as that between pre- and post- Roe v. Wade.)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Eolirin: they have a Republican governor
Kay
I made up with the Bernistas here, so much so that I was accused of being one last week. Not true but I didn’t deny it. One of them is running for US Congress in my district. He won;t win but I like him and I’m glad he’s running.
Bernie isn’t going to win. I don’t see any point in keeping this fight with them going.
Eolirin
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: So do/have a number of other very blue states and they rarely if ever elect them to the senate. It doesn’t say much. And as Chetan Murthy linked, the governor doesn’t get an appointment.
Vermont is very blue. It is not like Ohio.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Anne Laurie: I remember Cokie Boggs Roberts accompanying her mother to Lindy’s… investiture?… as Bill Clintons Ambassador.
and of course…. this.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
Also, it just screams, “Here’s a great idea! Let’s bankrupt and/or kill off our voting base – old white people!”
Yarrow
@Adam L Silverman: Apparently Jon Huntsman is going back to Utah to maybe run for Governor again. The SL Tribune did an article on it and got some quotes from Chaffetz about it. You can tell there’s no love lost.
joel hanes
@Kay:
I don’t see any point in keeping this fight with them going.
Thank you.
mrmoshpotato
@mrmoshpotato: *fat
PJ
@Adam L Silverman: Chaffetz sounds like a good Republican. I’m sure he’ll go far.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Eolirin:
Maybe I confused Vermont with New Hampshire?
Delia
@Yarrow:
I grew up in a liberal Dem family in Utah. My sister still lives there. She says that Huntsman was quite a good governor, was responsible for education, for things like building regional medical centers outside of Salt Lake City. She likes him a lot. Huntsman, though LDS, is discretely less-than-devout. The Romneys, of course, are extremely devout. That may be responsible for their dislike of each other.
Geoboy
@Adam L Silverman: surely you heard the Internet jest when Milo Yannopoulus (sp?), the right wing instigator of violence against the innocent, had his application to attend the upcoming Furries convention revoked? They declared him fursona non grata.
mrmoshpotato
@Geoboy:
Butting in on NotMax’s territory I see.
Steve in the ATL
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: they’re actually the same place, though they like to pretend otherwise
Eolirin
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Those are both currently Ds too, and while NH may be a bit squishier than other NE states, they’re unlikely to go proper red any time soon. Really it’s just the Midwest and PA.
hilts
@Another Scott:
I wouldn’t count on it. Sanders and Biden are the poster boys for selfish, arrogant pricks who put their personal ambitions above the national interest.
Any person who believes that either of these guys has the stamina to get through this long, grueling campaign and then get through 4 years in office battling Moscow Mitch every single day is a fucking moron.
We need a younger nominee to go up against this savage Trump.
Yarrow
@Delia: Huntsman endorsed McCain for president in the 2008 primary instead of Romney. Apparently, that started the feud. There’s an entire book about it.
Gretchen
@Anne Laurie: You must be a few years younger than my pre-VII self. I had the Baltimore Catechism memorized cover to cover. My niece packed up her wedding dress to take to Rome on her honeymoon so the Pope could bless their marriage.
Jay
mrmoshpotato
@hilts:
I hope that the voters of Kentucky make that a non-reality.
Anne Laurie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Right. Also Mrs. Gingrich #3 (#4?) getting The Albino Amphibian to ‘convert’, and then working hard to get him appointed Ambassador to the Vatican. Still counts for some people, many of them women.
cain
@Adam L Silverman:
My grandmother is visiting and she had an issue that required hospital stay, there was no provision to buy medical insurance (eg you couldn’t get her on the ACA) So I’m not sure how this going to work. I almost feel like they are trying to cut off folks who are coming from countries like India.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
SHE is Ambassador to the Vatican. I am an extremely lapsed Catholic and I find that offensive and embarrassing. I’m a bit surprised more Catholics weren’t at least moved to publicly tsk tsk, if not more.
Anne Laurie
@Gretchen: I was born in 1955; Jane Sanders in 1950. She grew up in Queens, I grew up in the Bronx. If you’ve ever seen the play / movie DOUBT — that was basically a documentary…
Yarrow
@Anne Laurie: The current Mrs. Gingrich is the Ambassador to the Vatican.
phdesmond
@HumboldtBlue:
delicioso, gracias!
texasdoc
@Eolirin: The downstream effects of changing Medicare rates to equal private insurance will be massive. If the rates are higher, the pt’s 20% portion will be higher. The cost of supplemental insurance policies to cover that 20% will go up too. Not to mention bankrupting Medicare sooner than is already projected (easily solved by making all income subject to the Medicare tax, but that’s not going anywhere until dems control all three branches of government).
Anne Laurie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Channeling my late Nana: “Well, she’s strong enough in her faith that she got him to convert to the True Church, didn’t she? Good publicity for our side!”
Yarrow
@cain: Was there no “tourist health insurance” option to buy before she left for the US? Maybe age is a factor with it being available/affordable.
Gretchen
@Anne Laurie: I was born in 1953, grew up Irish in Detroit.
Jay
cain
@Adam L Silverman:
I can’t imagine what he is feeling.. I’m sure he feels like his body betrayed him while he is in a competitive race and is in fact competitive. I suppose you could either be saddened or enraged. Hopefully not enraged.
Jay
@cain:
It’s Travel Medical Insurance, that you buy at home from a domestic provider, for the length of your stay, that covers a broad range of coverage, so that you don’t go bankrupt in the USA. Don’t leave home with out it.
The same Companies provide long term coverage for people outside their “normal” medical area, hell holes like Somalia and the USA, for the retired, those working abroad or engaged in long term travel.
When my Corporation sent me to the US, a critical part of my coverage was Medical Evacuation Flight Coverage, so I could be flown home for real medical treatment.
rikyrah
@Adam L Silverman:
Thanks for the history lesson
Anne Laurie
@Kay:
You’re right, as always. But as the public face of BJ Bernie-hatred, I kinda felt it was incumbent upon me to say something, just not during prime time.
(Also, see above, re: Irish-American Harps.)
Jay
Eolirin
@Jay: I would love nothing more than for Johnson to also get caught up in all of this and be forced to resign, but the odds of anything happening there seem extremely remote.
cain
@Yarrow:
Not sure. She’s 88. We aren’t sure she should come back. But otherwise she is in good shape. But if there are going to be rules we will probably have to think long and hard if we can bring her here.
Jay
Jay
Lurker1
@Adam L Silverman:
Yes. Even short-term visitors to the US on Tourist/Business visas can (should) purchase health insurance.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
This is a trump fuck up. Reality is not in play here.
Ruckus
@Yarrow:
One can have a heart attack and not know it. I’m living proof.
So it’s possible that BS didn’t actually know he had a heart problem or that he may have had multiple attacks, the second one putting him in the hospital.
Anne Laurie
@Ruckus:
Yeah, it’s more common for women to dismiss ‘atypical’ heart-attack symptoms as ‘heartburn’, or ‘pressure’ (‘like an elephant sitting on my chest’), it can happen to men, too. Especially men who — as a Politico article claimed about you-know-who, yesterday — find it annoying when the mere flesh refuses to conform to the rational mind.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Don’t worry, Bernie will be back soon to provide aid and comfort to Dump’s campaign.
Evap
@Adam L Silverman: Yes. When my Irish mother in law visited us in the US she always bought an insurance policy along with her plane ticket.
Mai naem mobile
@lollipopguild: No you’re all wrong. Killery did use it on Berner because Killery wants to run for POTUS in 2020 dontchaknow? Also Killery used it kill both Hickenloopers and Inslees campaigns because she is a white man hater because of what Bill did to her. This is was QAnon tells me. BTW I saw a big Suburban like SUV a couple of months ago with a big QAnon flag. People really flying their stupid.