With the caveat that I’m comparing different pollsters here, the indication that all the different partisan groups have moved more or less in lockstep toward supporting the impeachment process (Ds +15%, Inds +10%, Rs +15%) seems more significant than the play it’s getting.
9:14 AM – 29 Sep 2019
Yeah, that might mean something…
Cheers,
Scott.
2.
MattF
I’m certain that Hillary and Chelsea appearing on TV will send all the right people into hyperventilating paroxysms of rage.
3.
trollhattan
@MattF:
Good. Some portion of them will pop an embolism during their ragegasm.
4.
Amir Khalid
I’m rather disappointed that the interview is all about Hillary, rather than the timely and no doubt excellent book that she and Chelsea wrote.
5.
mrmoshpotato
@trollhattan: Rudy’s well past due for a RNC-style ragegasm.
6.
Ajabu
Good on both of them. What a different world we’d be living in if this legitimate President had been able to assume her rightful office and build on Obama’s legacy.
7.
MattF
@Ajabu: Though one supposes that Hillary would probably be greeted on her first day in office by a bill of impeachment. Where Article One is ‘being Hillary’.
8.
HuCat
Pointer Sisters “Neutron Dance” is stuck in my head!
9.
mrmoshpotato
@MattF: Possibly, but Article Two would definitely be “Her husband lied about a blowjob!”
@MattF: There was discussion of impeaching President-Elect Hillary Clinton BEFORE her inauguration, during the lame-duck period. It would have been possible, since former federal officials are subject to impeachment.
12.
geg6
Pure class, the both of them. What we’ve missed, what we’ve lost. It’s heartbreaking.
13.
Ohio Mom
Is there a person with more poise than Hillary Clinton?
Nice to see the affection between mother and daughter. This clip is something of a palate cleanser from most all the other news.
14.
CJWhite
I’m not teared up. You’re teared up!
15.
otmar
FWIW: we elected the Austrian Parliament (“Nationalrat”) today. Not 100% the result I was hoping for, but definitely a step in the right direction. See e.g. https://orf.at/stories/3138952/
16.
artem1s
Running against Bill worked for Rove against Gore with W. And it very effectively kept Hillary off the ticket in 2008. BUT HER EMAILS, Russian interference, gerrymandering and voter suppression worked for Trump. So trotting out the Clinton name is partially a knee jerk with these guys. But I think he’s desperately trying to prove to the Party he can keep the WH and the email shit worked last time so why not do it again. He’s already tried to smear Biden with profiting from Russian – another 2016 oldie but goodie. So expect them to trot out the uranium story again, especially since Guilliani blew the rollout of the email scandal. I imagine we’ll be getting a complete replaying of all the greatest hits over the next few weeks. Whatever Putin will allow anyway.
Speaking of intelligent and gutsy women, Stacy Abrams (as seen by Jen Rubin). There’s hope, IMO.
19.
FlipYrWhig
@Chyron HR: My most Bernie-addicted Facebook friend has been sneering about how liberals — which he isn’t, no siree, because he’s so leftist — are totally fine with the Biden family’s obvious nepotism and corruption. He’s so far gone into the cult that it’s not worth it to engage him on politics, but I have been struggling not to ask him to explain the totally uncorrupt, non-nepotistic saga of Jane Sanders’s presidency of Burlington College.
20.
MisterForkbeard
@FlipYrWhig: I have a cousin who is liberal and “just doesn’t know if Biden was corrupt or not, and we shouldn’t ignore these questions”. Sigh.
I had to tell her that the article she posted LITERALLY says “there’s no evidence that Biden’s son in any way affected his decisions or judgment.” She says she’ll have to think about it, but a “lot of liberals agree with her”.
It’s harder to think of a better example of buying into Republican framing by well meaning people.Interestingly, she’s also soured on Bernie a little because it’s become obvious you can apply these sorts of attacks to him as well.
Instead of learning that the attacks are bullshit its instead encouraged her to think that all politicians are dirty and get discouraged. Chalk one up for Russian psyops, I guess.
21.
Matt McIrvin
@FlipYrWhig: I’ve definitely seen Bernie stans on Twitter knocking all the Democratic candidates (sometimes including Bernie) for not using Trump’s bullshit as an opening to unload on Hunter Biden. Yeah, this makes perfect sense.
22.
PsiFighter37
@Matt McIrvin: I think one of the side benefits of impeachment ramping up is that it is likely to drown out Wilmer and keep him from recovering the ground he has lost to Warren. It’s also a topic that he and Tulsi are undoubtedly closer on than one thinks.
23.
dww44
@MattF:I’m afraid this is exactly right. I honestly believe, as does my daughter, that Hillary would have been even more handicapped than Obama who had a large and supportive base who wasn’t going to accept the vilification . Hillary, otoh, was viewed with skepticism by many who should have been supportive and there were far too many, women in particular, who bought into the “lying Hillary” meme. If there is one thing that the media truly needs to do differently in 2020 it is too apply the same standards of behavior to the GOP that they do to Democratic candidates and officials. They need to opt for calling a spade a spade versus trying to make both sides equally good or equally bad.
24.
Aleta
Laurence Tribe @tribelaw
An important detail: President Trump wasn’t just “asking” Ukraine for “opposition research” on Biden — which would’ve been a federal crime in itself. He was obviously PRESSURING Ukraine (extortion, as it’s known) for help in PROSECUTING Biden, as he keeps trying to do to HRC.
Jennifer Rubin @JRubinBlogger
impeachment is designed to prevent threats to our democracy, whether actions are legal or not. We have a repeat offender, a president who habitually assaults the Constitution. How could we possibly leave him in office?
TaMara – Thank you for this lovely video. I’m sniffling a bit. Hillary and Chelsea are national treasures.
27.
Bex
“A corrupt human tornado.” Great description of Trump.
28.
Kathleen
@MattF: I love Jen Rubin (never thought I would say that!). She’s the only pundit I know of who actually calls out Republicans for their malfeasance. So called “liberal” pundits are too busy slamming Democrats.
29.
Ella in New Mexico
@FlipYrWhig: People like that remind me of how political extremes are not linear, they’re circular. Both ends eventually end up being in the same place.
I’m afraid this is exactly right. I honestly believe, as does my daughter, that Hillary would have been even more handicapped than Obama who had a large and supportive base who wasn’t going to accept the vilification
Agreed. The only silver lining to Trump being elected and to what we’re all having to go through now is that this period in history just might be the only way we can get rid of these people once and for all.
The Modern Republican Party and Trumpism, as a disease, has to be sweated out by a life-threatening fever, and if the body survives, it will be stronger and hopefully, immune to future infection.
… Stacey Abrams (is) now head of Fair Fight 2020 (a group devoted to combating voter suppression) and Fair Count (a group designed to assure an accurate 2020 Census) …
….
(A)t a gathering of NARAL Pro-Choice America, the leading abortion-rights advocacy group, in Washington (she) expounded on everything from the impact of lost access to reproductive care for poor and nonwhite women to the necessity of pinning down debate moderators to ask about voting and abortion rights to the necessity of reaching out even to voters who do not like you.
Afterward, in conversation with Rubin:
(Re Trump) “I think it’s critical that we begin with the core issue,” she says. “The president of the United States made an offer and also a threat to a foreign leader.” She said every law student knows you don’t need an explicit threat. … She adds, “The notion that he had to make a threat a la a 1920s gangster movie is both a misreading of the law and a lowering of the standards we should have for the highest office in the land.” …
“We have always been a nation that has expressed our politics tribally. What is different today is that we celebrate the refusal to accept facts.”… She observes, “We give the highest credence to the boldest lie. That’s what terrifies me.”
… She points to the language and environment Donald Trump created as affecting voters’ sense of right and wrong. However, she takes the view that it should serve as a wake-up call. “I also believe it was a galvanizing moment to remind us that our democracy is not perfect, that it is both resilient but it is vulnerable.” She argues, “Our obligation is to fight for its resilience by shoring up its vulnerability.”
She has been fighting for voting rights since she was 18. Coming from the deep South, she had heard the kind of racist, homophobic and xenophobic language Trump used. “The glorification that he received for it was deeply disturbing,” she says.
Before and after Trump, she explains, she has been driven by a basic conviction. “I fundamentally believe that poverty is immoral, that it is economically inefficient and that it is solvable. And by attacking all its vestiges, we make our country stronger and our people stronger.”
32.
opiejeanne
@CJWhite: My youngest, who does not like the Clintons because Bernie!, for Christmas got us tickets to see Hillary and Bill in Seattle. It was an interview-style presentation, with Bradley Whitford and a bunch of ferns.
They were great and it was fun, but it quickly became apparent that Bill is so very, very, VERY angry that his wife was cheated out of the Presidency. It was that white-hot type of anger that is expressed very quietly and not with loud pronouncements. (My kids didn’t worry when I was mad at them until I got very quiet)
He is very proud of her accomplishments, but that hurt, that theft, will burn for the rest of his life.
She was very composed and both of them were funny at times. Lots of laughter, some of us in the audience got a bit misty. Bradley Whitford was a nervous wreck the whole time.
Another Scott
Good, good.
Relatedly, Twitter:
Yeah, that might mean something…
Cheers,
Scott.
MattF
I’m certain that Hillary and Chelsea appearing on TV will send all the right people into hyperventilating paroxysms of rage.
trollhattan
@MattF:
Good. Some portion of them will pop an embolism during their ragegasm.
Amir Khalid
I’m rather disappointed that the interview is all about Hillary, rather than the timely and no doubt excellent book that she and Chelsea wrote.
mrmoshpotato
@trollhattan: Rudy’s well past due for a RNC-style ragegasm.
Ajabu
Good on both of them. What a different world we’d be living in if this legitimate President had been able to assume her rightful office and build on Obama’s legacy.
MattF
@Ajabu: Though one supposes that Hillary would probably be greeted on her first day in office by a bill of impeachment. Where Article One is ‘being Hillary’.
HuCat
Pointer Sisters “Neutron Dance” is stuck in my head!
mrmoshpotato
@MattF: Possibly, but Article Two would definitely be “Her husband lied about a blowjob!”
Raven
@HuCat: And then there is Oblivious Neutron Bomb and John Revolting!
Matt McIrvin
@MattF: There was discussion of impeaching President-Elect Hillary Clinton BEFORE her inauguration, during the lame-duck period. It would have been possible, since former federal officials are subject to impeachment.
geg6
Pure class, the both of them. What we’ve missed, what we’ve lost. It’s heartbreaking.
Ohio Mom
Is there a person with more poise than Hillary Clinton?
Nice to see the affection between mother and daughter. This clip is something of a palate cleanser from most all the other news.
CJWhite
I’m not teared up. You’re teared up!
otmar
FWIW: we elected the Austrian Parliament (“Nationalrat”) today. Not 100% the result I was hoping for, but definitely a step in the right direction. See e.g. https://orf.at/stories/3138952/
artem1s
Running against Bill worked for Rove against Gore with W. And it very effectively kept Hillary off the ticket in 2008. BUT HER EMAILS, Russian interference, gerrymandering and voter suppression worked for Trump. So trotting out the Clinton name is partially a knee jerk with these guys. But I think he’s desperately trying to prove to the Party he can keep the WH and the email shit worked last time so why not do it again. He’s already tried to smear Biden with profiting from Russian – another 2016 oldie but goodie. So expect them to trot out the uranium story again, especially since Guilliani blew the rollout of the email scandal. I imagine we’ll be getting a complete replaying of all the greatest hits over the next few weeks. Whatever Putin will allow anyway.
tic toc motherfuckers
Chyron HR
@MattF:
Bernie and his Bros?
MattF
Speaking of intelligent and gutsy women, Stacy Abrams (as seen by Jen Rubin). There’s hope, IMO.
FlipYrWhig
@Chyron HR: My most Bernie-addicted Facebook friend has been sneering about how liberals — which he isn’t, no siree, because he’s so leftist — are totally fine with the Biden family’s obvious nepotism and corruption. He’s so far gone into the cult that it’s not worth it to engage him on politics, but I have been struggling not to ask him to explain the totally uncorrupt, non-nepotistic saga of Jane Sanders’s presidency of Burlington College.
MisterForkbeard
@FlipYrWhig: I have a cousin who is liberal and “just doesn’t know if Biden was corrupt or not, and we shouldn’t ignore these questions”. Sigh.
I had to tell her that the article she posted LITERALLY says “there’s no evidence that Biden’s son in any way affected his decisions or judgment.” She says she’ll have to think about it, but a “lot of liberals agree with her”.
It’s harder to think of a better example of buying into Republican framing by well meaning people.Interestingly, she’s also soured on Bernie a little because it’s become obvious you can apply these sorts of attacks to him as well.
Instead of learning that the attacks are bullshit its instead encouraged her to think that all politicians are dirty and get discouraged. Chalk one up for Russian psyops, I guess.
Matt McIrvin
@FlipYrWhig: I’ve definitely seen Bernie stans on Twitter knocking all the Democratic candidates (sometimes including Bernie) for not using Trump’s bullshit as an opening to unload on Hunter Biden. Yeah, this makes perfect sense.
PsiFighter37
@Matt McIrvin: I think one of the side benefits of impeachment ramping up is that it is likely to drown out Wilmer and keep him from recovering the ground he has lost to Warren. It’s also a topic that he and Tulsi are undoubtedly closer on than one thinks.
dww44
@MattF:I’m afraid this is exactly right. I honestly believe, as does my daughter, that Hillary would have been even more handicapped than Obama who had a large and supportive base who wasn’t going to accept the vilification . Hillary, otoh, was viewed with skepticism by many who should have been supportive and there were far too many, women in particular, who bought into the “lying Hillary” meme. If there is one thing that the media truly needs to do differently in 2020 it is too apply the same standards of behavior to the GOP that they do to Democratic candidates and officials. They need to opt for calling a spade a spade versus trying to make both sides equally good or equally bad.
Aleta
zhena gogolia
Maya Rudolph was pretty funny as Kamala on SNL.
Kathleen
@dww44: Sadly, I agree.
TaMara – Thank you for this lovely video. I’m sniffling a bit. Hillary and Chelsea are national treasures.
Bex
“A corrupt human tornado.” Great description of Trump.
Kathleen
@MattF: I love Jen Rubin (never thought I would say that!). She’s the only pundit I know of who actually calls out Republicans for their malfeasance. So called “liberal” pundits are too busy slamming Democrats.
Ella in New Mexico
@FlipYrWhig: People like that remind me of how political extremes are not linear, they’re circular. Both ends eventually end up being in the same place.
Ella in New Mexico
@dww44:
Agreed. The only silver lining to Trump being elected and to what we’re all having to go through now is that this period in history just might be the only way we can get rid of these people once and for all.
The Modern Republican Party and Trumpism, as a disease, has to be sweated out by a life-threatening fever, and if the body survives, it will be stronger and hopefully, immune to future infection.
Aleta
Re link from @MattF: to Jennifer Rubin’s article in the Post
Afterward, in conversation with Rubin:
opiejeanne
@CJWhite: My youngest, who does not like the Clintons because Bernie!, for Christmas got us tickets to see Hillary and Bill in Seattle. It was an interview-style presentation, with Bradley Whitford and a bunch of ferns.
They were great and it was fun, but it quickly became apparent that Bill is so very, very, VERY angry that his wife was cheated out of the Presidency. It was that white-hot type of anger that is expressed very quietly and not with loud pronouncements. (My kids didn’t worry when I was mad at them until I got very quiet)
He is very proud of her accomplishments, but that hurt, that theft, will burn for the rest of his life.
She was very composed and both of them were funny at times. Lots of laughter, some of us in the audience got a bit misty. Bradley Whitford was a nervous wreck the whole time.
J R in WV
@otmar:
Nothing in English, apparently… I even did a search for “english news”, came up empty so far as I could tell in Austrian German.
However, from what I could tell with my terrible almost non-existent German, it was pretty good news.
otmar
@J R in WV: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/29/austrian-elections-exit-polls-collapse-far-right-support-sebastian-kurz-victory