Its Secret Service Codename is Tropical Storm Mother

And it is going to show up in Florida and demand to speak with the manager!

Open thread!

157 replies
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    mrmoshpotato says:

    You sure it won’t just call the cops on Florida?

    ETA: It is Secret Service Codename?

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    Mary G says:

    Watch out, Alabama!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @mrmoshpotato: Da Tovarisch!

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    Damien says:

    @Mary G: From the direction it’s headed, looks like it might hit Greenland, and then BOY will they be sorry they didn’t make a deal

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    And it is going to show up in Florida and demand to speak with the manager!

    Giving you a heads up, Adam, but the Karen meme has been hijacked by reactionaries and misogynists. I remember it really blew up when Captain Marvel/Avengers: Endgame came out and you started to see these “Captain Karen” memes. Same with the new Terminator movie with Sarah Connor.

    It’s degenerated into: Middle-aged woman with short-hair? “Karen wants to speak with the manager!”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Thank you, Adam, for removing the superfluous, and just plain wrong, apostrophe in the thread title. Saved me a crisply-worded comment.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    I thought Karen was the inept but well-meaning white woman who always insists on bringing her mac-and-cheese, or potato salad, to the black picnic. Do I have my memes confused? Are they all the same Karen?

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    Black sharpie or it didn’t happen.

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    Jeffro says:

    Karen…please bring some hurricane-force articles of impeachment with you, stat.

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    it’d be awesome if Karen brought some rain to middle Tennessee, but I don’t foresee that happening. it’s been hot hot hot and dry as a bone.

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    debbie says:

    Trump’s now acknowledging he brought up Biden during his phone call with the Ukrainian president. No one can prosecute Donald Trump like Donald Trump’s mouth.

    “The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, with largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place and largely the fact that we don’t want our people like Vice President Biden and his son creating the corruption already in the Ukraine and Ukraine has got a lot of problems. The new president is saying that he’s going to be able to rid the country of corruption, and I said that would be a great thing, we had a great conversation.”

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    All the same Karen, i.e., clueless white woman.

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    debbie says:


    You’re right. She’s the chick who’s always trying to put raisins in the potato salad.

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    Chyron HR says:


    “The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, with largely corruption”

    Well, technically he’s right.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): Isn’t Karen the person who calls the cops because black people are having a picnic in the park?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: and yet I’m the one getting libeled this morning as a grammar nazi! Isn’t that the least bad type of Nazi one could be? I should be getting praised instead!

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    Jay says:

    Proud Boy Zac Staggs tried to bloc up and impersonate an antifascist, but instead he got demasked, got his ass kicked by a bunch of high schools, and then literally stepped in dog shit(not lying about that last bit! check the photo below!)— AntiFash Gordon (@AntiFashGordon) September 21, 2019

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    Jay says:


    That’s Becky.

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    Baud says:


    I thought Karen was the inept but well-meaning white woman who always insists on bringing her mac-and-cheese, or potato salad, to the black picnic

    Then who’s Winona?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I think it’s a toss-up between grammar nazi and soup nazi.

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    Ruckus says:


    No one can prosecute Donald Trump like Donald Trump’s mouth.

    I don’t understand how he speaks at all with not only his but everyone else’s feet in his mouth.
    Foot fetish Donald.

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    Jay says:

    This is ironic since Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated by a member of the RSS, which Modi has been a lifelong member of.— Murtaza Mohammad Hussain (@MazMHussain) September 22, 2019

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: He must make really good soup.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Jay: Pobrecito

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    TS (the original) says:

    @debbie: And so it goes – It’s ok for me because I’m the president* but that other guy, he can’t work for these guys, he is the one that should be prosecuted.. “Lock him up” will now be chanted forever about Biden (father or son is irrelevant).

    ANY whistle blower in the age of trump is going to lose. If there was anything to be learned from the Kavanaugh hearings – that was the word.

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    cain says:

    I’m pretty sure Modi doesn’t give two shits about Gandhi and probably thinks he was part of the problem why there was a partition and why the muslims got any power at all. But you know, you can’t go against the father of the country, ya know.

    My parents thought Modi was the biggest ass kisser and thought Trump spoke more intelligently than Modi did. It might be nice to show a little dignity. Apparently, Modi was holding Trump’s hand the whole time, while walking around. Doh!

    I guess it is a thing that Republican presidents do, the hold the hands of authoritarians. Surprised Kim didn’t do it either.

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    Jay says:

    "I could not be complicit in enabling what I consider to be acts of evil and violations of our most basic human rights." — @sethvargo— Motherboard (@motherboard) September 20, 2019

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    Jay says:

    Indian president Narendra Modi consoles Donald Trump on loss of drone.— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) September 22, 2019

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:


    Chef CEO Barry Crist sent to employees and later republished on the company’s website.

    “While I understand that many of you and many of our community members would prefer we had no business relationship with DHS-ICE, I have made a principled decision, with the support of the Chef executive team, to work with the institutions of our government, regardless of whether or not we personally agree with their various policies,” Crist wrote, who added that Chef’s work with ICE started during the previous administration.

    You made a “principled” decision to work with fascists, dude. This could have been written by the CEO of Hugo Boss in the 1930s, Jesus Christ

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    Jay says:

    Well, not every day you get the subject of a sprawling abuse of power inquiry to just admit he did it— Max Burns (@themaxburns) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    “We will not apply for jobs at Palantir, we will not interview for jobs at Palantir, and we will not accept jobs at Palantir while the company is engaged in the business of deportation.” – signed by over 1,200 students across 17 uni campuses via @gabydvj— Mijente (@ConMijente) September 17, 2019

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    planetjanet says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: What is wrong with mac and cheese? **ducks**

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    Mary G says:

    Johann Pachelbel's Canon in D, performed on rubber chicken, has renewed my faith in mankind.— Ditz McGee 🇨🇦 (@DitzMcGeee) September 21, 2019

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    J R in WV says:


    I had Mac and Cheese that was nothing but pasta and velveeta as a kid, it was terrible unless you were really, REALLY hungry.

    Wife introduced me to Mac and Cheese with Italian tomatoes, peppers, onions, sometimes bacon, with cream and European cheeses. OMG, different, good! So there’s midwestern bland mac and cheese, and then there’s fired up European/BiCoastal Mac and Cheese! Gouda and Parm and such cheeses… Swiss also too…

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    Spanky says:

    @J R in WV: And the “cheese” came powdered in an aluminum foil pouch. I subsisted on that and hot dogs thru grad school. I don’t think I’ve had it in 40 years.

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    J R in WV says:


    Yes, I forgot about the powdered cheese product in a pouch. yecch!

    Real Mac N Cheese is so different, worth sauteing the vegges and baking the final dish. Green chillis, fresh tomatoes, real cheeses, onions and garlic, now yer talkin’!

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    Ken says:


    the “cheese” came powdered in an aluminum foil pouch

    How else would you make mac and cheese? Oh, wait – you’re not one of those people who bakes it?

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @planetjanet: Mac and cheese is one of those “family recipes” that only certain people are allowed to prepare, because they are the Keeper of the Recipe.

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    Jay says:

    Kaia Kirkland is six years old. So what if she had a tantrum? Children that age sometimes do. Orlando cops saw fit to handcuff her for it. To fingerprint her. To take her mug shot. She is only six, and consider how cavalierly she was put into the system.— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    I truly do not understand how journalists and their editors can continue to interview influential white supremacists without quoting any survivors or family members of victims of white supremacist terror attacks.— Lois Beckett (@loisbeckett) September 22, 2019

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @cain: I think the rumor is that Trump is having increasing balance issues, maybe that’s why Modi was holding his hand?

    Other older people use a cane or even a walker, but obviously Trump won’t.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @debbie: Indeed, Ukraine has got a lot of problems. Not least among them is that its neighbor and Trump’s BFF have invaded its territory and caused the deaths of over 10,000 of its citizens.

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    Jay says:

    Huge protests in Houston against Modi's murderous regime which has seen lynching of minorities, disrespect for human rights, civil liberties, democratic rights and even basic fundamental rights. Modi is touring the US on the 50th day of an ongoing lockdown in Kashmir#AdiosModi— Shehla Rashid شہلا رشید (@Shehla_Rashid) September 22, 2019

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    Kelly says:


    the “cheese” came powdered in an aluminum foil pouch

    Standard dinner on my teenage backpacking trips. Fried Spam and sour dough rolls for breakfast. Ah, those were the days..

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Ohio Mom: Trump has been afraid of stairs for a while – he had to hold on to Theresa May’s hand on at least one occasion – and she was wearing kitten heels!

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    Jeffro says:

    Still not understanding why the House doesn’t impeach, and impeach, and impeach. Just pound the motherfucker, hold hearings from now until the day of the election. Go for it, Dems. You have nothing to lose unless you decline to prosecute the guiltiest (by his own admission!) president* in American history.

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    J R in WV says:


    Glad to hear there are protests in Houston, TX. I’m sure Trump AND Modi are shocked to learn that people hate them right there in the Heart of Texas!

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    Timurid says:

    This is nothing.
    When Hurricane Becky comes, the living will envy the dead.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Jay: The explanation is where the news story explains Kaia is enrolled in a charter school. Charters don’t like “challenging” students and have many ways to push them out.

    Public schools aren’t always great but they generally understand that they are required to serve everyone, no matter how many issues they bring with them.

    Hopefully the grandmother gets Kaia’s sleep apnea under control; checked for any other medical/developmental conditions; finds a better school that will develop an IEP for her (hopefully under “other health impairment,” not “emotional disturbance”); and consults an attorney about expunging Kaia’s record and sueing the charter school. She’s taken a good first step in shaming them via the press.

    That to-do list makes me tired and I have almost two decades of dealing with schools on special needs issues. Here’s wishing Grandma the strength and endurance she’ll need.

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    sukabi says:

    @Jay: 😂😂😂😂 awesome that he managed to find the one pile of dog shit to step in.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    Back to the original topic, nowadays when I hear the name Karen, I think of Mother Pence, and that is enough to creep me out. In some ways, I find her the worst of the bunch because I think she knows better at a deep, profound level the others are not truly capable of.

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    debbie says:


    I can’t argue with him!

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    debbie says:

    @J R in WV:

    Lobster or nothing!

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    Spanky says:

    @Ohio Mom: I, on the other hand, think immediately of the first love of my life, whom I lost 40 years ago because I’m an idiot. To each their own.

    During the grad school period when I was eating the Kraft mac & cheese, as a matter of fact.

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    Jay says:

    M&Ms are antifascist— Quinn Slobodian (@zeithistoriker) September 22, 2019

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    debbie says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Well, I hope they realize they’ve got no friend in Donald Trump.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Spanky: There were two kinds: the kind where the cheese was powdered, and the “deluxe” kind where it came as goop in a little can (or, later, a shiny plastic pouch). Which kind you liked depended on which one you imprinted on as a child. I ate the goop kind into graduate school. It was deluxe!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @debbie: I believe they do.

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    Jay says:

    WATCH: 'Biased' LGBTQ Forum Question for Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren Goes Viral, Not in a Good Way via @mediaite— Imani Gandy 🔥 (@AngryBlackLady) September 21, 2019

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    chopper says:


    you know that one’s going straight for alabama.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Spanky: Sorry to hear that about your Karen.

    About boxed Mac and Cheese: that stuff was a god-send when Ohio Son was a picky eater as a toddler. If there were no French fries available, as long as there was hot water, we had what we needed. Like at every Thanksgiving at my brother-in-laws who refused to recognized that maybe an autistic toddler needed some extra accommodations. Yes, still bitter.

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    Jay says:

    Mike Pompeo Appears With Families Of Lost Saudi Oil To Call For Justice— The Onion (@TheOnion) September 22, 2019

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    chopper says:


    actually, the cheese powder is a bit helpful even when you’re making it homemade. try it next time. add a bit of it, really punches it up. in fact you can buy containers of the stuff offa amazon, or if you really want you can make it yourself.

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    Jay says:

    🚨 Mnuchin doesn't have a response when Chuck Todd asks him if he can explain "how all of the sudden when the [Ukraine] aid got released, more money showed up. Where did [it] come from?…They got an additional $140m they didn't expect""You're getting into details" Mnuchin says— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 22, 2019

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    Jay Noble says:

    I’m sorry but if you add anything to Mac & Cheese other than cheese, milk, pasta and salt&pepper , it ceases to be Mac & Cheese.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Ohio Mom: It’s what Canadians refer to as “Kraft Dinner,” as in the Barenaked Ladies song “If I Had A Million Dollars” (we wouldn’t have to eat Kraft Dinner, but we still would).

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    Jay says:

    More FTFNYT:

    .@kenvogel⁩ on January 11, 2017. The ⁦@nytimes⁩ hired him AFTER this tweet. DESPITE this tweet. BECAUSE of this tweet.⁦@HillaryClinton⁩ was the target in 2016; ⁦@JoeBiden⁩ is the 2019 target; whoever our nominee is will get this treatment in 2020.— Philippe Reines (@PhilippeReines) September 22, 2019

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    You have nothing to lose

    They have plenty to lose. The media has shown no inclination to air hearings honestly, half their voter base doesn’t want an impeachment, and when McConnell acquits Trump in the Senate, Democrats will get zero credit for trying and everyone will agree they’re weak. I support impeachment and I think they’ll get to it, but under these circumstances I thoroughly understand why they would strategize and go slow instead of leaping into it.

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    Baud says:

    Jesus. I don’t even remember the original lie about Ukraine and Clinton.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Fun fact: Canada consumes more Kraft (Mac and Cheese) Dinner per capita than any other nation.

    Years ago, a former boss — one in a long succession of Canadian Consuls General to whom I reported — confided “My father and I bonded over Kraft Dinner.” I found that quite disarming.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Imma say it again.

    Read Mueller Report, vol. 2, pp. 90-93. Then watch Barry Berke question Lewandowski for 30 minutes.

    Then try to tell me they aren’t preparing the ground for impeachment. This is just one small example.

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    Jay says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Except that most of us in the West of Canada eat the Presidents Choice brand because it has a white cheddar powder that has about 40% more cheddar flavour than Kraft Dinner.

    Mom made two different types, a baked casserole of milk, cheese, long maceroni, stewed tomatoes, with a shredded cheap cheddar top, that was finished under the broiler.

    And a richer, creamier one with the macaroni seashells that had bacon.

    One was a almost payday one, the other was a payday one.

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    Millard Filmore says:


    hold hearings from now until the day of the election.

    Jason Chaffetz had 8 years of hearings lined up for HRC, had she been the president.

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    Jay says:

    #Impeachment on your mind? 🇺🇸Go to link ⬇️ type your zip code. It tells you if your Congressperson supports impeachment. If they do NOT, there’s a link to call or email & tell them how you feel.These calls matter. It’s your government. Speak up.— Debra Messing (@DebraMessing) September 22, 2019

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    lgerard says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    It was advertised in the US as Kraft Dinner in the late 30’s and early 40’s, a factoid I know from my love of old radio programs

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Jay Noble: Mine would be pretty soupy if I didn’t add flour. :-)

    Not even sautéed onions? Butter?

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    chris says:

    @Matt McIrvin: Indeed. I still make Kraft dinner a couple of times a year, usually in the winter. With bacon now instead of hot dogs and real ketchup with a dash of hot sauce. A childhood comfort food that never gets old.

    Also, at age 19 it was also the only thing that I really knew how to “cook” other than toast and eggs.

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio says:

    Yes. This. September used to be a rainy month here.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I’m the same. It’s a true comfort food. When I was a kid, we had it every single Thursday night for years (my mother and grandmother worked late, as the stores were open until 9:00 pm, so my aunt was in charge of the five of us on Thursdays. Kraft Dinner was the only thing she knew how to cook.) I still eat it two or three times each winter. I just never pretend it’s macaroni and cheese. That’s an entirely different food.

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    @Jay: He is playing the same game other R presidents did before this one. He has outsourced the hate to other minions. Modi is more than just an ordinary member of the Sangh, he was a pracharak, a full time evangelist for the Sangh. Typically pracharaks don’t get married. Modi abandoned his wife, coincidence? I think not. The other famous pracharak who you might have heard of, Vajpayaee, the other BJP prime minister. He too never married. These people are zealots. And they lie as easily as we breathe. My new name for theh BJP is Bakwas and Jhoot Party
    Bakwas = bullshit
    Jhoot= Lies.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Except that most of us in the West of Canada eat the Presidents Choice brand because it has a white cheddar powder that has about 40% more cheddar flavour than Kraft Dinner.

    Coastal elitists!

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    JPL says:

    @Jay: He didn’t have a response on Jake Tapper’s show when asked whether Hunter was earning a living was different that trump’s children.

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    chris says:


    I just never pretend it’s macaroni and cheese. That’s an entirely different food.

    Spot on!

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    @cain: Without the partition, the Muslims would be about 1/3 to 40% of the population. They would be a much more formidable voting block than the current 15% of the population they represent.

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    @Jay: People who are interested in Twitter bullying tactics of the Modi’s party should check out Shehla Rashid’s mentions. She represents everything they hate. She is an outspoken Kashmiri Muslim woman who leans left politically.

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    Brachiator says:


    Typically pracharaks don’t get married.

    Is there some ideological or religious reason for this? Did Modi have children? What’s become of his wife?

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    Raven says:

    I’m wrapping up the Notre Dame weekend with my brother and heading to the Easy at dawn!

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    prostratedragon says:

    @Mary G: How can I ever get my revenge repay you?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Raven: Good luck on the water.

    I went swimming today, probably the last time this season.

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    Fair Economist says:


    Without the partition, the Muslims would be about 1/3 to 40% of the population. They would be a much more formidable voting block than the current 15% of the population they represent.

    Likewise inhabitants of Pakistan would be better off if they weren’t under the thumb of Islamicists.

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    Jay says:

    Wow:Trump’s new national security advisor, Robert O’Brien, attended the all-white segregated University of the Orange Free State in apartheid South Africa(And, yes, in 1987, everyone knew apartheid was a bad thing.)By @dooley_dooley— Leah McElrath 🏳️‍🌈 (@leahmcelrath) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    Look at @ewarren on the way to the @UAW picket line: she’s fierce, determined and ready to kick ass for the working class.When she’s in the White House, working families will have a fighter we can count on.— Max Berger (@maxberger) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:


    A twitter tactic that most anti facist researchers use, to only respond or retweet in rare cases, make sure their followers do the same, ( it just drives eyeballs and clicks, ) and block them as they pop up. As a result, many of their twitter threads are filled with support and new info, rather than asshats, Lultzers, Nazis and bots.

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    @Fair Economist: What exactly is your point? That there should not have been a partition? That BJP’s revisionist history is right? BJP can barely deal with the Muslims India currently has, and everyone would have been happy like a big family? If British India had not been partitioned?
    @Brachiator: They have modeled themselves as a theological order. Probably influenced by the Catholic church and even Hindu monastic traditions. RSS is an all male organization. AFAIK Modi is separated from his wife and has no children.

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    @Timurid: But thanks to Cole, the living will have no shortage of canned fruits.

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    Jay says:

    “This is fantastic that the president of the United States has weaponized extortion of US military aid to foreign leaders in order to further his political goals. If there is anything in the history of the United States that is impeachable, this is it!”@MalcolmNance #AMJoy— La Femme Nikita (@LaF3mm3Nikita) September 22, 2019

    Malcolm Nance just recently lost his wife and the love of his life, and despite having to deal with all that, he’s still swinging hard with moral clarity.

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    Jay says:


    I think Fair Economist’s theoretical point was that with out Partition, there would not be a “religious” majority in either India, Bangladesh or Pakistan able to “impose” their Nationalist/Religious agenda.

    Sadly, it ignores the history of Partition.

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    Jay says:

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Neither will the Zombies run short either.

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    @Jay: Hindus were a majority in British India. (60% as opposed to 80% now)

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    Jay says:

    Reminder: Ken Vogel's Politico article that started the bogus claim my sister @AlexandraChalup colluded with Ukraine in the 2016 election has been used relentlessly by the Trump clan, far-right media, and Kremlin propaganda to target her — a private citizen and mother of three.— Andrea Chalupa (@AndreaChalupa) September 20, 2019

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Raven: Give those fish what for! Have a great trip.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I think it’s the texture that’s appealing. That and the day glo yellow orange color.

    My mom made us the real stuff (thanks Mom!), and we all learned how, but I did love swiping the Kraft mac leftovers when I was babysitting.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Millard Filmore: I am not impressed by this argument. If I am canvassing, and while talking to whoever answered the door, I am picking up clues that I use to shape my talking points, how is that not essentially “micro targeting”?

    On this topic, I was on the fence about buying a pair of Clark sandals that had been heavily marked down but after seeing it advertised on just about every web page I opened for weeks and weeks, I decided it could be the last pair of footwear in my hard-to-find size and I still would never buy it. My little stand against micro targeting.

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    Jay says:


    And split into “two” different parties with “two” different visions for India.

    “Two” is in quotes, because there were more than two different parties and two different visions, but one cluster viewed India as a more of a multicultural, multiethnic country, the other as a Hindu Nationalist Nazi Homeland.

    The realities of Partition, British Colonialism, WWII, history, was such that British India, had it stayed intact as India, would still be messy with the end results hard to predict.

    Fair Economist was positing an alt history that probably could have never existed.

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    Jay says:

    The @realDonaldTrump Administration brought a machete to a knife fight. We brought the House rules. And we are getting shredded. We need to change the Rules to allow-Contempt on the spot-Witnesses to be fined dailyIt is now time to exercise our full inherent contempt powers.— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) September 22, 2019

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    the day glo yellow orange color.

    That’s far and away the best thing about Kraft Dinner!

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    Mike in NC says:

    SNL won an award and Trump’s BFF Lorne Michaels went onstage and got all choked up. Fuckem!

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    Fair Economist says:

    @schrodingers_cat: All one happy family? Don’t be silly. But without partition it wouldn’t be degenerating into opposing theocracies. I’m not advocating reversing it, because I think it would be like uncracking an egg now, but I do think it has worked out for bad.

    Regardless of rhetoric, the BJP would never undo partition, precisely because it would mean the end of their plans for this warped Hindu theocracy. Any such talk from them is just “always at war with Eastasia” nonsense propaganda.

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    Jay says:

    Today starts National Voter Registration Week. So the DeSantis Administration decides it's time to pull down for "routine maintenance." Only thing routine is the voter suppression part.— Andrew Gillum (@AndrewGillum) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:


    Like Ikeban, the “best” thing about Kraft Dinner, was that with a few little adds, you could have a filling, semi-nutricious meal, for less than a buck a serving, with lots of “umami”.

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    Jay says:

    Look at Pence on this picture. He looks as if he suddenly realized that he has accompanied Trump so deep into his crime that he will go down with Trump in the case of impeachment. Then @SpeakerPelosi would become president. #ImpeachTrumpNow!— Anders Åslund (@anders_aslund) September 22, 2019

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    laura says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: Thank you Sister Golden Bear -it was the most infotaining forecast in a while.
    I must confess, the boxed dinner hits a spot of dinner table nostalgia. We were poor, so the dry mac mix was what we got, but there was also a box spaghetti dinner with cheese and a taco casserole that we loved when mom went to work.
    On the “only the official holiday dish by the official recipe as made by” – there’s a YouTube of an unseen women getting torn a new one for ruining Christmas by not doing Aunt Sharon’s recipe. I cried and heaved laughing every single time I saw it and so wished my late mother could have seen it. It is perfection. We had an aunt who could only, barely, be trusted to bring beige & serve rolls.

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    Jay says:


    Remember the Kraft pizza kits?

    Some assembly required.

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    @Fair Economist: India is not a theocracy. The current insanity will not last it is not sustainable.

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    Jay says:

    The main beneficiary of Giuliani-Lutsenko attempts to drag my country into the US internal political battle is Russia. Both Ukraine and the US are loosing. It makes me think Russian agents could be actually behind all this strange story.— Daria Kaleniuk (@dkaleniuk) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    What a hell is @ANTAC_ua ? We are a group of dedicated Ukrainians aimed to create hell for corrupt Ukrainian crooks and oligarchs. We do that to stop thugs from robbing our country and thus turning it into a hell for Ukrainians.— Daria Kaleniuk (@dkaleniuk) September 20, 2019

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    Jay says:

    In 2013 during Revolution of Dignity we run global campaign calling for personal sanctions against Yanukovych and his associates. We mapped Western enablers of crooked Ukrainian regime with all supporting evidence and facts— Daria Kaleniuk (@dkaleniuk) September 20, 2019

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    The main beneficiary of Giuliani-Lutsenko attempts to drag my country into the US internal political battle is Russia.

    Of course it is.

    It makes me think Russian agents could be actually behind all this strange story.

    Of course they are.

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    Jay says:

    In August 1980, disgraced ex-VP Agnew, a convicted felon, secretly wrote Saudi Crown Prince Fahd who would become King in 1982. He offered a back channel to his friend Ronald Reagan who was already the clear winner in the upcoming election. He also proposed a money laundering 1/— Spiro Agnew’s Ghost (@SpiroAgnewGhost) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    Maybe it’s because Pompeo’s State Department arranged Giuliani’s meeting with an aide to Ukraine’s Zelensky? Or because the State Department seemingly out of nowhere sent Ukraine $141.5M in military support?— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) September 22, 2019

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    Jay says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Ukraine has a lot of problems, and a lot of past, current and future mismanagement,

    but these days, it seems like a lot less than the USA.

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    Sebastian says:

    @Millard Filmore:

    Holy shit. If psychological profiles are categorized as HIPPA then Facebook is in a world of hurt. The fines are $50,000 per leaked/shared record.

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    mrmoshpotato says:


    Holy shit. If psychological profiles are categorized as HIPPA then Facebook is in a world of hurt. The fines are $50,000 per leaked/shared record.

    Nelson Muntz: HA HA! Fuck ’em!

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Sebastian: There will be centuries of court battles before that happens.

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    Jay says:

    I can't stress enough that Trump/Ukraine actions in 2018 need to be investigated.-Ukraine let Kilimnik escape into Russia and stopped cooperation with Mueller on orders from prosecutor Lutsenko.-Trump sent Ukraine Javelin missiles.-Lutsenko now feeds Giuliani false info.— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) September 22, 2019

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    Raoul says:

    May have already been noted elsewhere, but Adam, nice job getting a shout out and link in James Fallow’s excoriation of journalists (and outlets … lookin’ at you, NYT) who have started ‘but her emails’-ing Ukraine and Trump. Love seeing Balloon Juice in a thought leader like Fallow’s work.

    The details are extremely complicated, and (in an illustration of what reporters do when they’re not expert in a case themselves), I direct you to people who have gone into them. For instance, this analysis by Adam Silverman, in Balloon Juice, and these three from Bloomberg…

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    Sebastian says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    That’s not microtargeting.

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    Sebastian says:

    @Millard Filmore:

    No there won’t. The FDA has complete authority over this.

    Penalties for past behavior, yes. But once the FDA categorizes it as patient data everyone is fucked.

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    Jay says:

    Investigation:— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) September 22, 2019

    This YouTube channel is fake. It is a front for Israeli private intelligence Psy Group. In the videos, the leaders of @ANTAC_ua are slandered. This is the same group that Giuliani is now attacking. Ask yourself: Who hired Psy Group to make these fake vids?— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) September 22, 2019

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    JoeyJoeJoe says:


    I’m reminded of this scene from 89

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Sebastian: Facebook profiles are not medical records, they were not prepared by a medical professional.

    If marketing is practicing psychiatry without a license, then we are all — we are all always psyching each other out to convince someone else of something, figure out what is the best time to ask for something, and so on.

    It’s a ridiculous argument. This isn’t to say that I like this sort of ultra-targeted marketing. I just don’t see how it could be illegal.

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    Jay says:

    I always feel weird doing this, but my kitty cat is in the pet hospital. She hasn't eaten in 5 days. All the vet care + the hospital treatment is costing over a month's paycheck. If you have a few bucks, maybe consider helping me & her out? ❤️— Adrienne Cobb (@ImagineWorldas1) September 21, 2019

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    Jay says:

    BREAKING: British intelligence believes that former Palm Beach police officer John Mark Dougan (who fled to Russia) may have kompromat on Jeffrey Epstein associates.— Forensic News (@forensicnewsnet) September 21, 2019


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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Raoul: Wonder what Fallow’s nym is, or maybe he’s just a lurker.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Jay: So we will only find out about the Democrats involved in this scandal? Relying on the Russians to keep this information caged is going with really long odds. Many people are at risk, one cracks and they all … all Republicans can depend on Barr to cover for them?

    No. More likely Russia is gathering some “good” Democrats into its stable.

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    Jay says:

    @Millard Filmore:

    Doesn’t matter, doesn’t have to be true, can be pointed anyone.

    Enough useful idiots will amp it, some because they believe it, some because it’s “usefull”, like the LafferbCurve.

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    Jay says:

    This is the worst tweet I’ve ever seen.— Shane Burley (@shane_burley1) September 23, 2019

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    Jay says:

    The first thing that a clearly agitated Eran Torbiner did, when we met to talk about the Bund movement, was to hand me a poster he’d removed from the door of Beit Brit Ha’avodah in central Tel Aviv, until recently the home of the Workmen’s Circle movement’s Israel branch. Torbiner had passed by there in the morning, as he does occasionally, still trying to come to terms with the fact that the place where he spent so many hours with his beloved friends, who themselves are now no longer alive, and where he shot his documentary film “Bunda’im” (Bundists) – had shut its doors for good.
    The poster is an announcement for a workshop on the subject of Yiddish art songs, which was, as it happens, was to be held at Tzavta, a Tel Aviv culture venue. What infuriated Torbiner was the illustration on the poster: a map of the Land of Israel with a Star of David flag, situated in the center of a map of the world, with arrows leading to it from far and wide. The caption, in Yiddish: “Wohin? Aheim!” – “Where to? Home!”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Dinesh D’Sgusting should be blocked from Twitter for that. What a perfectly scummy thing to say about that brave young girl.

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    Sebastian says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    That’s not how it works. Disclosure: I worked for years as data architect for a tier 1 hospital in California and had my mindnumbing share of HIPPA and PHI regulation meetings and audits.

    If the FDA classifies this as medical/patient data, the collection of said data will be regulated. Yes, new data can only be created by medical professionals as collecting such data without a medical license is indeed practicing medicine without license, existing data immediately falls under HIPPA and the entities holding such data are immediately subject to the HIPPA regulatory framework.

    A current example is DNA, which is being collected and stored by companies such as 23andme. There are/were a lot of discussions if this should me considered medical data and a solution to the problem is long overdue. But once it becomes classified as medical data, 23andme will be in a world of hurt as they aren’t allowed to simply delete the data in order to avoid being regulated.

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    smike says:

    @Mary G:

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Fair Economist:

    But without partition it wouldn’t be degenerating into opposing theocracies. I’m not advocating reversing it [. . .].

    You are so far out in counterfactual bullshit that it’s not worth talking about.

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    Steeplejack says:


    We had an aunt who could only, barely, be trusted to bring beige & serve rolls.

    Okay, my auto-un-correct is failing me. What is “bring beige”?

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    SWMBO says:

    @Steeplejack: Beige and serve rolls. Not brown and serve. That’s my guess.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Are you saying that “beige and serve rolls” are a thing, or that she meant “brown and serve”? The latter I get.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Okay, I guess “beige and serve” was a joke on “brown and serve”? Will now strive to let it go. 🙏

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Spanky: And I think of the one I very nearly married 35 years ago, after having chased her since high school – she finally decided she’d never meet The Love Of Her Life & decided to settle for the guy with the good salary that the rest of her family loved.

    While we were discussing real estate (which house to sell, or sell both & find a better one) she did in fact meet TLOHL. While we were out together. Literally walked away from me at the bar & never came back. They’ve been oh-so-happily married for >30 years now.

    I owe that guy a case of whatever he drinks every Christmas – for saving me from a fate almost worse than death. If we’d married she’d have made my life living hell (for the capital crime of not being TLOHL) & 3 years down the road I’d have been single again with at least half of my net worth in her pocket.

    Even her mother (who loved me to death) said to me at the time of the split, “I know you’re hurting bad right now but in a few years the only thing you’ll feel is relief.” And she was right.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Timurid: Hurricane Ivanka?

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