Late-Night Open Thread – Joe Biden Strikes Back!

Biden has a nice ad out in response to Trump’s and Giuliani’s attempts at smearing him.

Good to see a Democrat fighting back for a change!

 






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    Donald Tяump still thinks he can scare people into giving in to him. He still hasn’t learned how to navigate a world in which there are people he can’t scare away or buy off. It’s really kind of sad.

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    randy khan says:

    Good for Biden. It’s also the kind of ad that will help any Dem who gets the nomination, by reminding people how bad Trump really is.

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    cain says:

    Donald Trump thinks the U.S. is a business, his business. He doesn’t see him going to a foreign power and asking for oppo research as wrong – its because he believes he is entitled to use every possible power of the govt to enrich himself and to attack his enemies. Before long, the FBI and CIA will all be used against his opponents – the media, the democrats, and “activist judges”.

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    Jeffro says:

    Biden is fighting back and fundraising off of this, so he’s clearly guilty of Clinton Crimes(!) Lock him up!

    LOL

    I have been having fun taunting RWNJ relatives with the proposition that “Mr. Innocent”, who never paid that porn star off, never colluded with Russia, never cheated on his taxes, clearly DID tell the prez of Ukraine “gimme dirt on Biden/make up dirt on Biden or you ain’t gonna get your Congressionally-approved money”. Like, out of nowhere, this saint committed obvious bribery/extortion with taxpayer funds to help him…um…COLLUDE.

    AND BEST OF ALL: he did it to try and ding someone who isn’t even going to be the nominee!

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    cain says:

    Speaking this is a big fucking deal –

    This is a big deal! https://t.co/RA0c7NFqAE— Tahar (@laseptiemewilay) September 22, 2019

    It looks like it’s the end game, and Bibi is very likely out and headed to either prison who will run home to Russia.

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    Kay says:

    @Jeffro:

    he did it to try and ding someone

    We should keep it top 3 until the convention. Then when they go after one we an just switch them out – “changed our minds again! maybeeeee – this one”. We’ll literally have a Generic Democrat right up until they print the ballots :)

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    Mike in NC says:

    Trump is and has always been nothing but a sleazy mobster.

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    cain says:

    @Jeffro:

    AND BEST OF ALL: he did it to try and ding someone who isn’t even going to be the nominee!

    He makes the best deals. Nobody can make a deal like this!

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    SFAW says:

    @Jeffro:

    NO collusion! No Collusion! YOU’RE the COLLUSION!!

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @cain: I read a (somewhat depressing) piece over at Mondoweiss that pointed out that, given that the Overton Window in Israel goes from “softly softly settlement building” (on the left) to “ethnic cleansing and genocide” (on the far right), this almost certainly changes nothing for BDS. He described the Joint List (Arab parties) support for Gantz as harm limitation, plain and simple.

    A Prime Minister Gantz would help American Zionists sell Israel to Democrats

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    It’s a good ad. Still not voting for Biden in the primary, but I’m feeling a little brewer at least about his team. That’s a good response.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Who will be more upset at Bibi’s loss, right wing Israelis or right wing Americans?

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    Mary G says:

    Nice to see someone using Twitler’s own method against him, and I like Desperate Donald Trump better than the feeble effort de Blasio tried with “Don the Con.”

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    cmorenc says:

    @Jeffro:

    AND BEST OF ALL: he did it to try and ding someone who isn’t even going to be the nominee!

    Your assumption that Biden won’t be the nominee is a bit premature to pronounce with such certainty. I do agree that he is a long way from being the certain nominee, but then so too are his closest rivals for the nomination. Long way to go, a lot can happen before anyone gets anything approaching an insurmountable lead toward the nomination.

    For me, I am prepared to heartily support Biden, Warren, Harris, or just about any of the Ds running who still have a plausible shot at the nomination. Winning and defeating Trump in 2020 is a vastly more important goal than progressive purity in the nominee.

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    Joe Falco says:

    Yay, Bulldogs win! I hope every Bulldog fan got their money’s worth for their $1000+ seats. It was a way too close game for comfort, and it was clear Notre Dame beat themselves more than UGA did.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @cmorenc: Most people on BJ will support anyone against trump – that goes without having to be said, but I don’t think Biden will be the nominee – he has nothing more to offer than he had in his past 2 failed attempts other than being a friend of President Obama – the latter is well out of US politics and intends to stay out so will not be part of a Biden administration.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay: I like this strategy!

    I already know (anecdotally) that many Repubs are sad that the Dem field has shrunk in a normal fashion and that the Dem candidates are largely being respectful to each other and pretty close on the issues.

    I guess they thought we were going to go to the convention with 50 candidates each at 2% in the polls or something? I dunnno. It’s hard to interpret RWNJ fever dreams (and really, who would want to?)

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    Hitlesswonder says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I have seen nothing to indicate that Trump’s effort to discredit Biden has not already been successful. A lot of people now “know” that Biden abused his position as vice president to protect his son. On top of that, there’s nothing the House can do to see the whistleblower report, since the administration won’t give it to them. The House has already decided they aren’t going impeach Trump…the votes aren’t there…it will energize his base…the Senate won’t convict.

    So…what happens now? One of two things…nothing happens and this will be regarded by the majority of Americans as simply one more failed witch hunt by the Democrats. Or, Ukraine produces evidence that is damning to Biden. If I were Ukraine, I certainly would do that…their survival as an independent nation likely depends on it. And then we will all get to hear Trump say that he could put Biden in jail, but he’s decided against pursuing charges at this time because he always puts America first.

    I don’t like any of that, but that appears to be reality. I’d be very happy to be convinced otherwise…so if anyone feels I’m missing something please let me know.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mary G: “Desperate” = “weak” and so yeah I agree, it’s great framing.

    Why is this stalwart defender of America’s borders, he who has gifted us with this beautiful economy, so far behind in the polls against every major Dem contender? It’s weird. It’s almost like…most Americans see through Don the Con?

    Like, seriously: it used to be a given that ‘strong’ economy + powers of incumbency = automatic re-election. Something about this particular orange dingleberry makes people want to change horses. I wonder why that is?

    Good luck GOP! Feel free to ride this tiger all the way in!

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    smike says:

    @James E Powell:
    Oh, be still my beating schadenfreude.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Joe Falco: eh, I respectfully disagree. The papists would not have been in the game at all but for Georgia’s fumble on the punt return that gave them a free touchdown. The Dawgs’ defense shut them down almost entirely.

    It was a hell of a game. Glad we got the win, and glad my ticket was free!

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @cain: OH. That IS big.

    Doesnt quite get Gantz to 61, if I remember correctly. Still might be hard to do.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @cain: Bibi is a dead man walking and everyone who has been waiting to shiv him is going to on the way to the undertakers. This will include his wife and son.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @cain:

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Tech bleg:
    My Lenovo laptop is well past the half-decade mark, and I’m thinking it may be time for a new one. Should I go for a refurbished gamer laptop with Win10?

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    joel hanes says:

    @Hitlesswonder:

    Ukraine seems to be producing evidence that the Bidens are innocent, but Paul Manafort is guilty.

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    Joe Falco says:

    @Steve in the ATL: They wouldn’t be in the game at all if they joined a conference. ;)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @joel hanes: That’s because that is actually the truth.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    And the President is now fundraising off of Vogel because of course he is!

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    jl says:

    @joel hanes: From what I read today, it was Giuliani, again, who hatched another brilliant gambit: go after individual Ukrainian reform politicians and smear them as being part of the ginormous and horrible Biden plot, the biggest plot of all plots. They are pushing back. And I also heard on the news that the head of the Ukrainian equivalent of the FBI says the Biden smear is BS, and Ukraine is telling Trump administration that if you want us to investigate Biden make a formal request and send some evidence.

    So, maybe Giuliani will ride to the rescue again through rampaging dumbassery?

    Glad Biden is pushing back hard on this. “Trump knows I’ll beat him like a drum”

    Edit: Also heard some pundits on TV news talkies babbling that Ukraine has be very careful, and is in a dilemma, and will be afraid to do much to resolve the issue. I dunno. If the Trumpster crazy train is bearing down on you, maybe the careful thing is jump out the way as quick as you can, and then decide what to do next. Or raise the profile enough so lots of eyes on what Trump does to try to mess with you.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: This has the potential to bring down Ukraine’s government, which would, amazingly enough, benefit Putin.

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    jl says:

    So, who has compromising pix of the NYT? Or fake balance to preserve access?

    @joshtpm
    This Times article never notes/explains the INTERNATIONAL CONSENSUS demanding firing that prosecutor & links back to Vogel’s discredited reporting. The Times has a big problem on this story. Reminiscent of laundering Bannon-funded propaganda in 2016.
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1175628520040652801

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    Kent says:

    @Adam L Silverman: How does this have the potential to bring down the Ukrainian government? I don’t know Ukrainian politics at all. But in pretty much all of the rest of Europe, standing up to Trump would be electoral gold.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yes, I think that would be good. I had a semi-retired Acer laptop, and when I first got it, with traditional Windows preloaded, I took out the harddrive with Windoze and put in a totally blank HD, and hooked up a data CD with an ISO for Linux installs. This was at least 4 or 5 years ago, because it was Win 7.

    So when Watergurl called for testing, I said, How many Juicers run Linux? I do have an Andriod tablet also, butI thought of that semi-retired laptop. and the HD with a valid licensed copy of Windows still on it, and reinstalled that HD, and upgraded it to Windows 10, which I’m using to drive a mission to image two crates of old family pictures, with a Cannon scanner/printer at 600 dots per inch.

    It’s working pretty well. I’ve uninstalled things, and installed an ad blocker, and turned on the Windows Defender which I hear is an OK firewall/virus protector. Many of the really faded pix can be improved a lot with editing darks and lights, bringing up the contrast, etc. I’ve learned a lot about that too.

    And of course it’s possible to install and dual boot Linus beside Windows and pick which one you’re going to use today.

    That’s my $.02 and I’m stickin’ with it!

    It is bloat loaded with crap no jackal would want to use, some of which is hard to delete. But it appears to work sufficiently for the jobs I plan for it, scanning the photos and testing B-J Version 3. I’ll be able to cover testing most everything but Apple issues, and I understand there’s a lot of internal similarities between Apple systems and a flavor of Unix.

    It did take a lot of bandwidth to get upgraded to a current version, but only like 5 or 6 hours to install and set up.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kent: If enough Ukrainian elected and appointed officials can be smeared through Giuliani’s disinformation campaign, it will create enough pressure so that the new Ukrainian government, which is led by a professional comedian, is unable to govern. This is only Ukraine’s second post Maidan government. The previous one was weak, but hung on. This new government is just that new. It is being led by a novice. And it remains to be seen just how weak or strong it is. All while Putin runs constant military operations in the parts of western eastern Ukraine he’s invaded.

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    Philbert says:

    Gotta say I haven’t been way Joe, but he does punch back! As the saying goes, “If you’re answering you’re losing”. Joe is is yelling back at T and calling him on his dictator bullshit. Whether he takes the nomination or not, he can land some good ones.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Chetan Murthy: The Joint List supporting Gantz is harm limitation for now, but the rule of these thing is that when the leftier candidate wins, no matter how squishy, the country moves left and when the rightier candidate wins, no matter how squishy, the country moves right. Plus Netanyahu will be gone. So I see it as a good thing if it works.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @J R in WV:

    And of course it’s possible to install and dual boot Linus beside Windows and pick which one you’re going to use today.

    I do that with a bootable USB disk drive. No tearing computers apart, no screwdrivers or lost screws. No broken bits, no procrastination to avoid another long project. Take your Linux anywhere.

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    jk says:

    @cmorenc: @TS (the original):

    I agree with Jamil Smith and Anand Giridharadas. The paternalistic racism expressed by Joe “play the record player” Biden should be sufficient grounds alone to disqualify this horse’s ass from being the Democratic nominee.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @J R in WV:
    Thanks, that’s very helpful.

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    tokyokie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Think the Russkie surrogates are near Kharkiv in the east. Don’t think they launched operations against Lviv from Poland.

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    @J R in WV: i always heard windows 10 is good.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @tokyokie: The Donbass is in the west east of Ukraine.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Adam L Silverman: west east

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    tokyokie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The Donbass refers to the Donets basin, and is the area around Kharkiv, Donetsk, and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, as well as in southwestern Russia. The river originates in Russia, flows into Ukraine, the flows back into Russia, where it empties into the Don. The Dnieper is the major river west of the Donets, but it’s really more central Ukraine. I’m guessing the provinces that border Poland and Romania and countries in between are considered west Ukraine.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @tokyokie: @Another Scott: You’re both right, it’s late, I’ll fix it, and then I’m going to sleep.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @tokyokie: Again, it’s late. I know where it is, I mistyped. And if I can get the damn comment editor to work, I’ll correct it so I can go to sleep. I appreciate you catching it for me.

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    tokyokie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Hey, I worked as a newspaper copy editor for about 30 years, and old habits are hard to break. Still, I’m not as bad as Steve in ATL about grammatical errors, I just wince and move along. And it’s not like you used “toxin” as a synonym for “poison”; that one will aggravate me until the day I die.

    Now I’m going to bed as well and hoping I’m not awakened by further leg cramps.

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    SWMBO says:

    @tokyokie: Regarding the leg cramps, have you tried magnesium, potassium and a bottle of water. The lowering of those trace elements and slight dehydration can cause leg cramps in the middle of the night.

    Otherwise, sweet dreams.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @Amir Khalid: Just bought a refurbished laptop. Depending on who did it, refurbished can be as good as new, especially since they take out wornout parts and replace them with equivalents. And the price can’t be beat, usually. Go for new only if you expect heavy usage or need to run the latest software.

    A secret is that most software within the last 10 years (I have Word 2010 on my refurbished) is good for ordinary and home use. It’s the hardware that is usually the problem.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Win10 is good; Pro edition is better than Home. Refurb depends on the brand name and from whom you’re getting it. My current Lenovo notebook was a refurb from (Amazon subsidiary) Woot, and it was indistinguishable from brand new.

    Relatively new processor is good (i5 or better?), but RAM is probably more important: at least 8 GB, and 16 GB would be nice.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    It’s an abuse of power and violates every basic norm of the presidency.

    So that warrants impeachment, right?

    No, it just means that we should try to vote Trump out in an election that he’s increasingly unafraid to try to rig because, once again, there will be no consequences.

    I’m sorry, but if this is what constitutes ‘fighting back’ in the Dem lexicon, that’s pretty sad.

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    randy khan says:

    @low-tech cyclist:

    No, it just means that we should try to vote Trump out in an election that he’s increasingly unafraid to try to rig because, once again, there will be no consequences.

    I think he’s probably not “increasingly unafraid,” but actually “increasingly desperate,” unless he has decided that the polls don’t matter because he beat Hillary despite the polls.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @cmorenc:

    For me, I am prepared to heartily support Biden, Warren, Harris, or just about any of the Ds running who still have a plausible shot at the nomination. Winning and defeating Trump in 2020 is a vastly more important goal than progressive purity in the nominee.

    Amen.

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    SFAW says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Tech bleg:
    My Lenovo laptop is well past the half-decade mark, and I’m thinking it may be time for a new one. Should I go for a refurbished gamer laptop with Win10?

    I got a kick-ass Dell running Windows Vista, it’s only about 10 or so years old, a whopping 1 GB of RAM, that I could practically give away for $3000 (US). Any interest?

    NB: Any response resembling “Wow! I’ll take it” will lead me to call the KL (if that’s where you are, I can’t remember) authorities, and tell them there’s some nutcase who needs to be taken into “protective custody,” STAT!

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @low-tech cyclist:

    Anyone who watched Barry Berke’s questioning of Lewandowski (after reading Mueller Report, vol. 2, pp. 90-93) knows perfectly well that the Democrats are preparing for impeachment.

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    SFAW says:

    @tokyokie:

    Still, I’m not as bad as Steve in ATL about grammatical errors,

    Is anyone?

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    debbie says:

    Good ad. That’s the kind of direct talk that is needed to fight back against Trump. Hope it gets a lot of play.

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    Zinsky says:

    Democrats need to go on national TV every day and repeat the words “Donald J. Trump is a criminal, a traitor and a serial sexual predator who has abused and disgraced the office of the President and needs to be impeached and imprisoned”. Every. Day. Until the American people can recite it by heart. It’s the only way some of them can learn….

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Jeffro: BROKERED CONVENTION! This time for sure!

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Anyone who watched Barry Berke’s questioning of Lewandowski (after reading Mueller Report, vol. 2, pp. 90-93) knows perfectly well that the Democrats are preparing for impeachment.

    When Pelosi says that what the Judiciary Committee is doing constitutes an impeachment inquiry, I’ll believe it.

    And when she says no, she’s not doing anything until there’s a prospect of 20 Senate GOP votes for removal, I believe her then too.

    She’s still saying the latter, last I checked.

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    Jinchi says:

    @Jeffro: Do your RW relatives really believe he’s a saint? The ones I know simply say that all politicians are corrupt so you may as well just pick the one on your team.

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    SFAW says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Aww, Bullwinkle, that trick NEVER works!

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