Friday Morning Open Thread: This Generation’s Version of ‘Trout Fishing in the Reflecting Pool’ Is Gonna Be LIT

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151 replies
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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

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    Baud says:

    Serious question
    If trump ever gets out of office, how do we keep him from blabbering all our secrets or exchanging secrets for his own good?

    When he’s a private citizen he can be arrested and imprisoned for this shit.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: @Baud: Good morning 😊
    @Baud: and I am so looking forward to that day.

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    seaninclt says:

    Wouldn’t that be some shit? NancySmash’s plan all along was to avoid impeachment to let Orange Julius fully destroy the Republican party within one term… I know, I know, fanciful eleventy degree chess, but a boy can dream.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Blech.

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    Baud says:

    @satby:

    I’m not using any climate today.

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    Baud says:

    @seaninclt:

    I don’t think that was her plan, but I do think if they had started a full impeachment hearing, a lot of new news would have gotten burried. Biggest problem is that it’s hard to figure out which crimes to impeach over because they’re so many.

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    seaninclt says:

    @Baud: I don’t really believe that has been her plan all along either and I’m one of the people that rage-tweets at her about not doing something about Trump. However, I also realize that a) she’s waaaay smarter than I am and b) like it or not, she is one of the most gifted politicians of the last 50 years. She doesn’t strike me as the kind of person that would just frazzle under pressure and not have a plan for this dickhead.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    You know he’s going to be surveilled 24/7.

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    NotMax says:

    Frivol fizzle.

    A message appeared on the Alienstock 2019 website saying the event was off as they didn’t want to be part of “Fyrefest 2.0”.

    The statement read: “Due to the lack of infrastructure, poor planning, risk management and blatant disregard for the safety of the expected 10,000+ Alienstock attendees, we decided to pull the plug on the festival.

    “The permit holder (Connie West) was given multiple opportunities to provide us with the proof that things expected at this festival were in place.

    “In fact, she refused to provide to us, as agreed upon, contracts, proof of deposits or any paper proof of anything.”
    [snip]
    But the owner of the original venue The Little A’Le’Inn in Rachel, Nevada, Connie West, says that she still has 20 acts and two comedians booked.

    However the town’s website has countered saying: “If any event still happens it is going to be a pretty sad affair with no bands, very little infrastructure and a lot of unhappy campers.” Source

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    Wag says:

    how do we keep him from blabbering all our secrets or exchanging secrets for his own good?

    Um, lock him up for life immediately?

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    NotMax says:

    Harbinger?

    The Philippines health department on Friday confirmed it had detected a second case of the polio virus this week, as the virus re-emerges in the country 19 years after it was declared polio free.
    [snip]
    It comes as the Philippines grapples to tackle twin outbreaks of dengue and measles that have killed more than 1,000 people since January, most of them children. Source

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    Gvg says:

    @Baud: yes but we are still going to have to do a lot of preventive damage control, change things, move people etc. And that will cause harm to our intelligence capabilities. It’s unavoidable now.
    If I were briefing this President, I would really avoid telling him much. In fact I wonder if they are actually lying to him or avoiding briefings. He is lazy, but I think he wanted to know secrets to brag to his friends. The minute he can’t issue pardons, some of his friends are possibly going to get arrested.

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    Kay says:

    Who else in and around the Trump Administration knew about this? One person reported it. How many knew about it and didn’t report it? They don’t need to ask the whistleblower – ask the people who would have known but didn’t report it, because they’re culpable too.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: By who is the question.

    ETA: by everyone is the answer.

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    @Baud: Yeah, they do that at Florence.

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    @Baud:

    Biggest problem is that it’s hard to figure out which crimes to impeach over because they’re so many.

    And new ones, each and every day.

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    @Kay: Yeah, but the administration folk won’t show up and even if they do they’ll claim privilege(though they just make new forms of privilege all the time).

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    Kay says:

    This is the 2nd time in just the modern era where Republican Presidents went completely insane with executive power. Nixon inspired a whole body of law re: checks on power and new regulations regarding transparency. It’ll have to happen again after Trump.

    You have to police them constantly or they race right to the bottom. They can be permitted no leash, no wriggle room. Unless they’re tightly rule-bound they launch crime sprees. No one on the face of the planet needs to be regulated more than these people. Their personal behavior is the best argument for the regulatory schemes they oppose.

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    NotMax says:

    FYI, a cubic zirconia in the diadem of shock schlock on TCM at 2:15 a.m. Eastern on Saturday, Eating Raoul.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    They should set up a web cam in his cell so people can be inspired by the justice.

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    NotMax says:

    @NotMax

    Bad linky. Fix.

    FYI, a cubic zirconia in the diadem of shock schlock on TCM at 2:15 a.m. Eastern on Saturday, Eating Raoul.

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    Kay says:

    Just on a side note- when the NYTimes covered this “Trump Administration uses US foreign policy to target political rival” story months ago they covered it from the angle of Joe Biden’s corruption.

    They would have continued covering it like that and all the other media outlets would have followed them, but for the fact that there’s a whistleblower.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    Their personal behavior is the best argument for the regulatory schemes they oppose.

    Hence their opposition. FREEDUMB!

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    We can thrown in a new rule about private email servers for the sake of bipartisanship.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud:

    Biggest problem is that it’s hard to figure out which crimes to impeach over because they’re so many.

    An embarrassment of crimes?

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    You’re assuming they won’t go back to that.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    Right. Those are bad. I want a nepotism rule immediately. I think the nepotism is bad for the country on the grounds that it’s anti-competitive. We’re not getting the best people because we’re getting these low quality otherwise-unemployable relatives.

    This is WHY we supposedly have a professional civil service. We already had this problem once and solved it. We just have to close the loopholes. We left a tiny little bit of wiggle room and, you know, you can’t do that with conservatives! They apparently have no internal governor so it must all be codified.

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    NotMax says:

    @Kay

    48 years (1920 – 1968) from Harding to Nixon. 48 years (1968 – 2016) from Nixon to Dolt 45.

    Hmmm.

    ;)

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I think it’s hysterical that the NYTimes looked at some of the same information the whistleblower looked at and concluded “this is a Joe Biden corruption story!”

    Fucking hopeless. Shut it down and start over. It’s systemic. They completely swallowed Guiliani’s spin, probably because he gave it to them.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud: Oh yeah. ‘Cause I’m gonna want his fat, orange fascist face still broadcast around the world after the Soviet shitpile is out of the people’s house.

    Sarcasm – it’s what’s for breakfast.

    Sarcasm Industry Council and Sarcasm Board

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    We just have to learn not to trust them when they report on Democrats. Stop using their reporting against Democrats we don’t like. Lessen the same for propaganda.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud:
    I intend to make climate today

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    What’s amusing to me too is how parochial they are. They take Rudy Giuliani as credible because he’s a local and they know him. There are 9,000 people in the city where I live. This same thing happens in our local newspaper, which probably has a countywide circulation of 20,000.
    This isn’t big and sophisticated. It’s small and insular. Giuliani just happens to come from a media center instead of Anytown, Illinois. Trump just happened to be a NYC real estate developer, instead a car wash chain developer in New Mexico.

    Location, location, location :)

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @NotMax: Cancelling 2064 to avoid any potential PITA.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @satby: No hitting. Use your words.

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    Baud says:

    @Baud:

    Same = demand

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    Giuliani is a complete scumbag. Has been for 20 years. Yet. Because THEY lauded him back in the day and elected him he somehow maintains his unearned reputation as some kind of law enforcement figure. It isn’t about his credibility. It’s about protecting THEIR credibility. Because they admired a really bad person we all must pretend he has some authority or ethical standards. He doesn’t.

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    MJS says:

    @NotMax: Ignoring Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 in that Nixon to Trump timespan is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Wag:

    Um, lock him up for life immediately?

    Hand to goddess, I am 100% sure that Ivanka & Jared (with or without the assistance of Don Jr & Eric) plan to have the old man warehoused ‘for his own good’ if he escapes being jailed before his term expires. And I think part of why Lord Smallgloves is fighting to stay in a job he so obviously hates is that he suspects the same — because it’s what *he* would do, under the same circumstances.

    Of course, if it looks like he’s about to go to jail, Donny Dollhands will no doubt pull a Vincent Gigante and (try to) have his associates claim the old man is too senile to go to jail. But since Trump can’t actually have people killed, I suspect he won’t inspire the same kind of ‘loyalty’ Gigante managed; the second he shows ‘weakness’, however feigned, his nearest & quasi-dearest will tear him into chum…

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    That’s America’s Mayor, Kay.

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    Kay says:

    It’s weird how none of the “guard rail” Trumpsters who were supposedly reluctantly taking these high level positions out of Duty and Honor in the Trump Administration never did any whistleblowing.
    Why were they there, again? Looks like the guard rails failed! Crashed right thru and none of them said a word.
    Bring them back from their private sector positions as celebrity authors and board members of child prison companies and ask them- did they know what the whistleblower knew? Did they have the same law to protect them? Why didn’t they use it?

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    Ken says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I’m gonna want his fat, orange fascist face still broadcast around the world

    History provides us with one possible solution for that.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    Gross. He’s been sleazy forever, too. Immediately following 9/11 he launched his “sleazy operative and security contractor” career. These interviews where they’re like “you’re a liar!” – no shit. Twenty years into it their hero comes crashing to earth. They have to examine why they admire such bad people! What are their values? Do these people embody them?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Ken: Stop making me sound like I said that seriously.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    My father had a lifelong ticket to fly anywhere. Then they took it away

    My dad was one of the only people with a good-for-life, go-anywhere American Airlines pass. This is the true story of having – and losing – a superpower

    We inherit things from our kin. As much as I salivate over locking myself in a silent cave to write, I feel a wildly profound sense of purpose when I’m traveling. As an internationally touring poet, performer and educator, when I am on tour, I am alive. I know how to operate an airport or bus terminal or Amtrak station or rental car. Natalie does too. People have come to me about their hatred or fear of flying. It’s like a spa, I tell them. A certain amount of time in the sky that belongs only to you. Regardless of your seat.

    Of course, I recognize that because I was socialized to fly in first class, my feelings about travel are biased. Even though I fly economy now, even though my eyes can tell the difference, somehow my body does not. I am in the air. I am free above the world. I don’t need fancy seats or legroom. I’m just grateful to get a break from Earth.
    ………………..
    Some people inherit money. Or trauma. A host of other things. I’ve inherited plenty, but perhaps – more than anything – it’s the wanderlust and desire to meet people and go places around the world.

    ETA: It’s a long read, but definitely worth the trip.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Kay:
    You are skipping the part where Giuliani tried to stay in office in NYC after 9/11 but the good people of the City said, “Hells to the No!”

    People were certainly on to him. Just not his social club.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @NotMax From your link

    In an attempt to stop UFO hunters from raiding the military facility, General Goldfein said: “Our nation has secrets, and those secrets deserve to be protected.

    The General needs to check out trump rather than UFO hunters.

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    Ken says:

    @mrmoshpotato: Sorry, bad edit of your comment, and I’m one of the people with no edit or delete button except on alternate Tuesdays of months ending in “y”.

    If it’s any comfort my carelessness also spoiled my small attempt at a joke. Yeah, that’s right, just joking…

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    They don’t need to ask the whistleblower – ask the people who would have known but didn’t report it, because they’re culpable too.

    The first to be asked should be Barr.

    Have you heard that they’ve found significant errors in the voter purges in Cuyahoga and Franklin Counties? I’m SHOCKED this happened in the bluest counties in the state!

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    I think a plane flying overhead just set off a car alarm.

    Honk honk honk… Not even a fun alarm.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    I don’t know. It’s so strange.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    Don’t forget he and Kerik had that chick pad right beside the smouldering ruins.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Ken: I’m not interested in your one possible solution. Do you have one weird trick? :)

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    Immanentize says:

    @mrmoshpotato:
    Thems the new effects of chemtrails. Don your breathing apparatus.

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    SFAW says:

    @MJS:

    Ignoring Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2

    “Who? Those names are not familiar to me”
    — every elected Rethug in the USofA (plus the FTFTFNYT)

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Immanentize: Not chemical warfare, but auditory warfare.

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    TS (the original) says:

    First time in months I turn on MJ & he’s calling out democrats for asking for Kavanaugh to be impeached without the correct level of proof.

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

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    Immanentize says:

    @mrmoshpotato:
    They have to mix up the types of attacks, donchaknow. Put in your militia-distributed camo earplugs….

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Surrounded by sychophants 😠😠

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @SFAW: “What’s this giant hole full of memories?”
    “Oh that old thing? It’s my memory hole. Every Republican’s got one.”

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:
    Speaking of regulatory schemes…
    Folks do understand that our pork will be killing us soon…..with his new self-regulation of the pork industry 😠😠😠

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud: @rikyrah:
    Some say the hard crash Brexit is being pushed by very rich people who do not want to comply with upcoming EU banking rules that take effect in January. Look at the history of many African democratic leaders turned dictators. Trump is like them — he cannot withstand scrutiny.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    Kitten update.

    Maysie escaped their room yesterday and headed directly down the stairs to the kitchen, where she joined the Vorwiggles twins in begging for scraps from a rotisserie chicken. The twins were not amused.

    Brief introductions have been going well. Still too soon to let them wander unsupervised.

    They’re not sure what to make of the turtle tank in the sewing room.

    They really like the ball track. Two new videos up, one 15-min and one 30-min version of them playing with the ball track for the first time. All I had to do was demonstrate that the ball rolled in the track. They’ve been adjusting the camera angles for me. (Everyone’s a critic.)

    They’re not really staying still long enough to get photos right now.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @TS (the original): Funny. I thought Joey JoeJoe Scarborough was an independent now. Interesting to still be spouting Rethuglican BS.

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    I wish I believed this scandal would end differently than the 50 before it. He and his thugs will scream “privilege!” and the country will stagger on.

    I’m leaving town later this morning for a long weekend with a friend in MN. It will be good to be away from the news.

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    Kay says:

    @debbie:

    The first to be asked should be Barr.

    I disagree. We need a new approach. The committed, currently employed Dear Leader lackeys have the government tools and resources to obstruct. Bring in the former employees. The people who were supposedly there as “guardrails”. And DON’T start at the bottom. I know everyone loves the story about the Mafia prosecutions how the little fish flip on the big fish, whatever, but forget the little fish. Bring in the bosses who left The Family. It’s not, actually, the Mafia. It’s a bunch of fancy self-interested independent contractors who have a lot to lose and who are now pursuing their post-Trump careers.

    They’re not career criminals. It isn’t a cartel. It’s public sector white collar crime and now they’re in the private sector.

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    Leto says:

    @Kay:

    Unless they’re tightly rule-bound they launch crime sprees.

    Even when they are tightly rule bound, they still commit crimes. They understand our slow walking legal system so they know that by the time it might get to a ruling, the crime and it’s results will be long done. Think of the Chairman of the House Ways and Means asking for Trumpov’s tax returns. Or this article here: Betsy DeVos’s DOE Violated Court Order Prohibiting Collection of Loan Payments from Scammed Students

    They don’t care.

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    Baud says:

    @Immanentize:

    If we win next year, expect the NYT and others to treat us as worse than Trump because Trump didn’t indict Hillary.

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    Karen S. says:

    @Kay: This exactly, although I don’t think the average New Yorker has any time for Ghouliani and hasn’t for at least a decade, but I’m in Illinois so I’m just speculating. It’s the media glitterati who still puff him up.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @mrmoshpotato: He’ll vote GOP at the next election – guaranteed. He may leave out the President line if trump is the nominee.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Kay: @Kay:

    Just on a side note- when the NYTimes covered this “Trump Administration uses US foreign policy to target political rival” story months ago they covered it from the angle of Joe Biden’s corruption.

    They would have continued covering it like that and all the other media outlets would have followed them, but for the fact that there’s a whistleblower.

    I don’t think they will stop. The problems with the Times go beyond a lack of understanding.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @rikyrah:

    Folks do understand that our pork will be killing us soon

    My first thought too when I read that.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    Bring in the former employees.

    The problem with that is that they’ll just be labeled as “disgruntled” and dismissed.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    I still can’t post links, so I’ll try to get some photos to send TaMara, and she can link the channel again.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    My physical therapist has promised that I will finally be rid of my aircast boot today!!!

    To recap:

    Saturday, June 1 – Hearing the happy scrabbling and chirps of an extended raccoon family in the wall, I located their entry point in the soffit. Being a cheap fuck (I paid nearly $1200 over removing 5 squirrels a few years ago), I got the ladder, climbed up and jerry-rigged a springy closure so they would leave but be disinclined to go back in.

    Sunday morning, June 2 – The Contessa heard the babies in the wall. She worried about 1) them starving to death, which made her feel bad and 2) them dying in the wall, which would make us feel really unhappy when the stink started. I got the ladder to go up and undo my fine work, heedless of the fact that there had been a pop up shower overnight. As I’m fiddling with my trapdoor, one side of the ladder started sinking into the uneven, wet ground. I tried shifting my body, but was unsuccessful, and then fairly ran down the ladder, 2 rungs a clip. At the point where it looked like I was going to fall into the ladder, I leaped into the last 4 feet of clear air. Wound up on the ground, left ankle on fire. Thought it was really badly sprained, but didn’t have the sharp pain I associate with breaks. Decline spousal demands for hospital trip, because I hate doctors.

    Sunday, June 9 – After a week of hobbling, ace bandage and half ass braces, am lured to the car on the pretext of going to the grocery. Am instead diverted to the hospital for an ER visit and X-ray. As predicted, no break in evidence.

    Wednesday, June 14 – To continuing legal education in Las Vegas alone. Airports a pain in the ass to walk through, Las Vegas a pain in the ass to walk through. I manage through a combo of weed gummies, whiskey and ibuprofen.

    Wednesday, June 21 – As we’re leaving for Greece on June 23, the Contessa has expressed concern about the continued swelling, redness and heat on the ankle. She worries about blood clots and long flights, and has sent me to primary care. I get ultrasound. As predicted by me, no clots, but doc provides blood thinners for the flights as a precaution.

    Friday, June 23 – We go to Greece. I hobble around. The Contessa is now irritated with it as I am “shuffling like an old man”.

    Saturday, July 7 – Freshly home from Greece, we go to the wedding of someone I now hate. While there, a courthouse acquaintance suggests that I get an MRI, as she’d had a similar injury.

    Monday, July 9 – Get MRI

    Tuesday, July 10 – Doc calls, says I have an Achilles rupture and wants to consult Wednesday and operate Friday.

    Wednesday, July 11 – Doc tells me that he’s going to snag some tendons mid calf and strap them to my big toe. I’d be off work and in bed with open wounds with pins and a halo, eating lortab like candy for two weeks. After that, I’d have a thigh high hard cast for six weeks, and then a shorter cast with scooter for another month, followed by a boot and some really intense PT for months. One year to full recovery, which should be “pretty good”. The alternative was to let it heal and form scar tissue, then to do strengthening PT. I respectfully chose the second.

    All I know is that I am really eager to dump this goddamned boot. I’d have been triply miserable with that procedure.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    They’re turning it into a shithole country. Lowering quality, really across the board. Did you see there’s now a whole industry springing up where they sell fake health insurance? It’s just a straight fraud. They sell them a card for 400 dollars a month. They’ve sold almost a million of them. People pay and carry the card around. When they go to redeem it for health card they’re told there’s virtually no insurance behind it. Just in the last two years. The Trump Administration and the GOP Congress created a new fraud industry that didn’t exist 3 years ago.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @mrmoshpotato: Well, I watched the open and part of the first half-hour, and he was all over this Trump-whistleblower-Ukraine thing, along with all of his sycophants/panelists. “Unambiguously impeachable.”

    Don’t normally watch, but I woke up early and I was curious to see how they’d come at it.

    Frankly this presents an interesting time for my son to move to Kyiv (he’s busy selling off his stuff, deciding what goes in storage, etc.)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Got a toothache? Go easy on the benzocaine:

    Feeling blue: US woman treated by doctors after blood turned navy

    It turns out that “feeling blue” is not a figure of speech after all.

    A 25-year-old woman has given new meaning to the expression after she turned up at a Rhode Island hospital with blood that had turned navy blue. According to a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine, the woman told doctors that she had used a topical pain reliever for a toothache. She woke the next morning and took herself to hospital, telling doctors: “I’m weak and I’m blue.” The woman was what doctors call cyanotic – the medical term for seeming to have blueish skin or nails.

    Dr Otis Warren, the emergency room doctor on duty at Miriam hospital in Providence, the state capital, diagnosed the problem as “acquired methemoglobinemia” – a rare blood disorder that causes people to produce an unusual amount of methemoglobin (a type of hemoglobin). With methemoglobinemia, the hemoglobin can carry oxygen, but cannot release it effectively to tissues, according to the National Library of Medicine. Warren had seen one case previously in a patient who was being treated with an antibiotic. “The skin color looked exactly the same,” Warren told NBC News. “You see it once, and it stays in your mind.”

    Warren said the condition had been triggered by a numbing agent containing benzocaine. The woman told Warren she hadn’t used the entire bottle though it was apparent, Warren said, she’d “used a whole lot of it”.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @Baud:

    There was a lot of me laying about and wallowing in Netflix and her complaining about it.

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    Baud says:

    Di Blasio dropping out.

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    Kay says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    then to do strengthening PT. I respectfully chose the second.

    I had an absolutely crippling disc injury in my upper spine and I chose PT and I am a believer. You have to do what they say but it works. I ended up liking the sessions. They have this… neck stretching machine that is the best. It basically slowly pulls your head away from your spine- in my case relieving the pressure on my neck. I once fell asleep in there. She had to wake me up and make me leave.

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    debbie says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Glad you’re healing, but tell me: Have you spent more than you would have to remove the raccoons?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    in Providence, the state capital,

    I realize it’s The Guardian and written for a foreign audience, but still, from an editing point of view, what does that detail add to the story?

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    Finally! He never broke that zero percent ceiling, did he?

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    I wonder if PT traces its origins to medieval torture practices.

    “Igor, he likes it. I have an idea.”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @debbie: Poor guy has to go back to NYC, which he apparently hates (and the feeling is mutual.)

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    Baud says:

    @debbie:

    I think he actually invented the previously thought impossible idea of negative percentages.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Healing thoughts coming your way.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    Good. I still think Harris can compete in the Biden lane. I hope she does. IMO she’s stronger than him and the center needs a choice. I wish she had staked that out and left Bernie and Warren to battle it out in the left lane. Harris v Warren would be a really good race for our base, IMO. I think they would love that and be engaged.

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    gene108 says:

    @rikyrah:

    There’s a reason people have their meat cooked well done. Helps minimize risk of disease from food.

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    Spanky says:

    @Baud: Oh noes! Who could I possibly vote for now?

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    I hope so. She needs to figure out what she wants to be and then figure out a way to get oxygen, because no one is paying attention to her.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Baud:
    Finally! But he must be at least a little miffed that small-town mayor Pete Buttigieg is still running.

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    Spanky says:

    @Kay: Same here. I was just released from PT on my lumbar spine. They quickly zeroed in on my hips, which were way too tight. Some therapy and at-home stretches, and I’m good!

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I believe the people who say it’s painful- it’s all different kinds of injuries- but for me a good part of it was only painful in the sense of when you’re using weak muscles, which I didn’t and don’t mind. My husband is not shy about getting medical care and he has been screwing around with doctors on tennis injuries for 20 years. He got a PT, religiously followed directions, and is back playing pain-free. It took a long time, though. I think he went for a year. He’s like an evangelist. He could be employed by the PT trade group :)

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    That stuff is generally worthless, unless it’s 11:30 at night and you know you can make it to a dentist the next morning.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @debbie:

    No, but my insurer, in the other hand…

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    I hate getting medical care. Probably have lived with more than I should have as a result.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Kay:

    When the Times looks at Giuliani, it still sees the kick-ass U.S. Attorney from 1987.

    Fellas and gals, that was a long-ass time ago.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    They’d watch a Warren v Harris debate. Substantive, but crackling with energy! And we like both of them. Biden is occupying the center lane. Someone needs to shove him over. There are a lot of centrist Democrats. I think they’re the majority, which I’m fine with – accept- and should be accomodated in the sense of giving them a real race.

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    JPL says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: You did manage to take some beautiful pictures while in Greece, so that was good.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I hate it too. Hate. I waited too long on one thing- I scratched my cornea with a tree branch whipping into my eye and I thought it was a piece of bark in my eye so rinsed it over and over with river water and it got infected. Incredibly painful and your whole face swells up. Anyway, when I finally got to “my” doctor who knows I avoid him – he said an interesting thing- he said “what you’re doing is the flip side of hypochondria- it’s as extreme. Find a middle ground, because you could have lost your eye”. That’s true. I’ve been better since then.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @JPL:

    I did have a lot of fun – just was a LOT slower in the having of it. I also got to see everything I wanted to see – sometimes, you just have grit your teeth a bit and plow forward.

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    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Good god, that’s a long time dealing with it. No wonder you want the cast gone.

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    @OzarkHillbilly: A recent novel, The Bookwoman of Troublesome Creek, has a blue character in it.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    There are a lot of centrist Democrats. I think they’re the majority, which I’m fine with 

    It depends where you draw the line. I don’t care. The battle with centrists is a losing battle for us.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    Serious question
    If trump ever gets out of office, how do we keep him from blabbering all our secrets or exchanging secrets for his own good?

    …are you fucking kidding me.

    He’s a fucking foreign agent. (just, far from a good or trustworthy one)

    There is nothing he could possibly tell that he has not already directly told to Vladimir Putin in attempts to curry favor. Putin’s problem is not in getting him to do this. Putin’s problem is to keep him from blabbing THAT he’s doing it, in tweets or to the press, thus screwing up what Putin deems a very good arrangement.

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    jonas says:

    “I wouldn’t say anything inappropriate when people are listening”

    Says the guy who revealed a code word-level intelligence operation against ISIS to the Russian ambassador in the Oval Office and who meets with Putin and Kim one-on-one without a note-taker, or confiscates any notes that were taken.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Baud:
    I am fully expecting the argument that all criminal prosecutions of Trump peeps are just political. And a third of the country will believe it. But most of the rest wont

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    Montanareddog says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I agree you could argue it is a redundancy. But it does not grate with me in the the same way those establishing shots in US Movies and TV shows set in foreign lands with captions like: London, England; Paris, France; Berlin, Germany; Bangkok, Thailand, etc. I mean if the shot shows the Eiffel Tower, I think I know already that it is in Paris. And I sure as hell know Paris is in France.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Baud: ‘morning everyone.

    If we win next year, expect the NYT and others to treat us as worse than Trump because Trump didn’t indict Hillary Lock Her Up!

    FIFY.

    :-/

    I personally suspect that some “medical” issue will suddenly arise if Donnie faces legal jeopardy. That’s what seems to be the common future of dictators and wannabe dictators these days.

    I’ll bet Kuwait and Bahrain have excellent medical and recuperation facilities…

    Grr…!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay:

    You have to police them constantly or they race right to the bottom…unless they’re tightly rule-bound they launch crime sprees…

    Straight to the point as always, Kay. These people are why we have laws and courts in the first place.

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    Spanky says:

    @Immanentize: I think it’s almost time to go there.

    Yes, it is political! Because one of the political parties in this country is either actively or passively supporting foreign agents in the White House. We can prove it! We have the receipts! Let’s adjudicate it, either at the ballot box or in a court room. Or both.

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    Leto says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I’m glad you’re on the mend and ready to be done with the boot. Scar tissue management is the key here to getting back to full mobility. It’s going to hurt, but ya gotta do it.

    I manage through a combo of weed gummies, whiskey and ibuprofen.

    I’m fairly certain that if I had that management plan right after my accident, I’d be back to professional soccer playing levels by now 😀

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Montanareddog:

    I mean if the shot shows the Eiffel Tower, I think I know already that it is in Paris. And I sure as hell know Paris is in France.

    It is? Huh, the shit I learn here.

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    Leto says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Paris, TX receives no love here… *insert Rodney, “No respect, no respect!*

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Wasn’t there a movie called Paris, Texas?

    /checks IMDB.

    Yes, there was.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Baud: I could see Trump running to Russia the day after he is out of office.

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    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Isn’t the Eiffel Tower in Nevada?

    :)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: I thought it was in Bangladesh.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t look at it as a “battle” and I don’t think we should.

    There is a group of people who make up the D Party. It’s diverse. They can compete without us all killing one other. If there’s two that could pull that off it would be Warren and Harris. Obama and Clinton pulled it off, eventually. These two could too. The individuals matter. It’s not always Bernie v Clinton. In our recent history that isn’t even true.

    IMO, the centrists (rank and file) have a weak candidate partly because they didn’t have a choice.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I wonder if part of the reason Obama and Clinton were able to pull off a hotly contested primary without one destroying the other and the coalition is because they were both “nontraditional” candidates- two firsts- AA and female- and they perhaps had a better understanding of the need for cooperation and solidarity than a Bernie or a Biden.

    The “battle” frame isn’t the only frame one can use.

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    Leto says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I’m not sure Marine Tangerine can fly that far, but if Russia is willing to supply the pilots and refueling capability (straight flight, no landings) then I’ll happily say proshchay!!!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Good lord, what an ordeal! Hope you heal up soon! Now tell us what happened to the baby raccoons! :)

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    Aleta says:

    “Occupations for 800, Alex.”
    You and the crew may crash the street to carry on with a crime spree in open daylight but police are not permitted to show up for at least four years.
    “What is white presidency?”

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @NotMax: This is heartbreaking and infuriating. Ever since the 90s, we have been *this close* to eradicating polio forever – it’s been a big campaign of Rotary International for years – and always, always, it comes down to some authoritarian asshats fucking things up and scare-mongering about vaccination that prevents it.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    It’s weird how none of the “guard rail” Trumpsters who were supposedly reluctantly taking these high level positions out of Duty and Honor in the Trump Administration never did any whistleblowing.
    Why were they there, again? Looks like the guard rails failed! Crashed right thru and none of them said a word

    they were all garbage, Kay. ALL of them.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Gin & Tonic: @Leto: and don’t forget about Paris, Ontario

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:

    Some say the hard crash Brexit is being pushed by very rich people who do not want to comply with upcoming EU banking rules that take effect in January.

    When I saw that in a tweet, a whole lotta things became crystal clear, and I am with those who say follow the money.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
    I am sad to read all of that. Sending positive healing thoughts :)

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    germy says:

    These photos are gorgeous:

    Members of the African Choir, who all had portraits taken at the London Stereoscopic Company in 1891 pic.twitter.com/qfS2mYAg6w— Fritters (@YoorWullie) September 18, 2019

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    I did Kay. One of the cases brought up by the Bloomberg article was a woman who had problems with childbirth, and was denied her claim because HER MENSTRUAL CYCLE WAS A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION.

    Whereas regular insurance has to spend 80-85% of the policy ON CARE..
    These junk policies are about 10%

    NOTHING BUT A SCAM.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    He’s like an evangelist. He could be employed by the PT trade group :)

    LOL

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Kay: IMO, the centrists (rank and file) have a weak candidate partly because they didn’t have a choice.

    I like Amy Klobuchar, but besides being a less-than-exciting candidate, I think she was hurt by her first major forum after was a CNN town hall where the most attention-getting questions and answers were “Do you support M4A (Bernie’s version?” “No”; “Do you support free college (again, B’sV)?” “No”. Hard to build excitement with the base at this moment by being the candidate of “No”, even if (IMHO) she was staking herself in a good place for the GE.

    I think it’s hard for Harris to move back to the center lane and bump Biden out because her most definitive policy statement to date has been her pledge to support SP, and expressing support for that less-than-popular position by emphasizing its least popular aspect: I will get rid of private insurance. And then being kind of all over the map on the issue ever since.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: It sure would be refreshing to have two candidates competing for votes by presenting their ideas and advocating for their approaches with mutual respect. Maybe two women could pull that off, though it would probably require telling the network moderators and their sound bite agenda to take a hike and getting the League of Women Voters to do the debates instead.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Kay:

    This is the 2nd time in just the modern era where Republican Presidents went completely insane with executive power. Nixon

    Forgotten W/Cheney already? The purge of the US Attorneys? The reification of torture? A gratuitous war on Iraq? “We make our own reality?”

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    joel hanes says:

    @mrmoshpotato:

    set off a car alarm

    Worst invention of my lifetime. Perfect example of externalized costs.

    All car alarms make the same noise: “Issa! Issa! Issa!”

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    Captain C says:

    @Kay:

    I think it’s hysterical that the NYTimes looked at some of the same information the whistleblower looked at and concluded “this is a Joe Biden corruption story!”

    100% on brand for the 2019 FTFNYT.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Baud:

    I hate getting medical care

    Up until I was eleven, my family had no medical insurance, and not much money.
    We mostly went to the doctor only when we _had_ to.
    I internalized that, and have never really gotten over it.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    telling the network moderators and their sound bite agenda to take a hike and getting the League of Women Voters to do the debates instead.

    I am fascinated by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    @NotMax: Yes. (Looks out of window…and Glendale).

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