Hopefully Elizabeth Warren will have finished with the selfie line from this event by the time she's due to be on the air with Rachel Maddow tomorrow at 9pmET.
(photo: @adallos) pic.twitter.com/YToT2ZYjd4— Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) September 17, 2019
NEWS: Working Families Party Endorses Elizabeth Warren
The progressive group, whose electoral influence has grown since it backed Bernie Sanders in 2016, is now supporting Ms. Warren for the Democratic presidential nomination
Big scoop by @AsteadWesley https://t.co/7jZRBkwFGB
— Yashar Ali ?? (@yashar) September 16, 2019
Elsewhere…
The gathering is like a scene out of the South of days gone by, with politicians glad-handing and visiting over the strains of music, clog dancing and the aroma of chicken bog, a Lowcountry dish of chicken, sausage and rice.
Here's my story. https://t.co/qFNoxijXS0
— Meg Kinnard (@MegKinnardAP) September 16, 2019
GALIVANTS FERRY, S.C. (AP) — Four Democratic presidential candidates descended on South Carolina on Monday for what organizers call the oldest traditional campaign speech event in the country, taking an opportunity to continue to make their cases ahead of the first Southern vote of 2020.
On Monday, Joe Biden, Bill de Blasio, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar spoke at the Galivants Ferry Stump, a biennial Democratic event that takes place in a rural portion of northeastern South Carolina. One by one, they addressed a crowd of about 2,500 gathered in the unincorporated community of Galivants Ferry along the banks of the Little Pee Dee River…
A common stop for South Carolina’s Democrats, this year’s event is the first organized specifically for presidential hopefuls. One of them, Biden, has been here before, introduced to speak at the 2006 event by longtime friend and Senate colleague Fritz Hollings as Biden considered a 2008 presidential bid. This year, Biden was the first confirmed attendee.
Republicans are always invited to attend the stump but aren’t allowed to speak. One of them, former South Carolina governor and congressman Mark Sanford, worked the crowd as he mounts his longshot bid to challenge President Donald Trump for the GOP presidential nomination…
Democratic White House hopefuls have been flooding South Carolina for nearly a year, taking opportunities to get to know and campaign to the state’s heavily African American electorate, which plays a key role in its first-in-the-South primary and reflects those in other Southern states that follow quickly on the nominating calendar, offering candidates a proving ground to test their message. The stump meeting draws thousands of attendees from across the state, but Horry County, in which Galivants Ferry sits, is more than 80% white…
Former Romney political strategist:
Having lost pop vote once since 1988, D’s hardly need my advice but if I were them, I wouldn’t spend a dime trying to convert ‘16 Trump voters. Go after new voters who don’t like Trump. Assuming a 10% success rate at both efforts, the new voter universe produces many more votes. https://t.co/rGoNEGJeeH
— stuart stevens (@stuartpstevens) September 16, 2019
No, he actually *doesn't* have reason to doubt the national polls, because in 2016 the final national polls had Clinton beating him by 2-4% in the popular vote and that's what happened.https://t.co/Hx4rdTbLSB
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) September 16, 2019
"Who do you like more, the country or the Hispanics?” Trump at New Mexico rally quizzes Hispanic supporter who, he said, "looks more like.a WASP than I do." https://t.co/KLGK7naifJ
— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) September 17, 2019
Rusty
I am guessing that Sanders shake up of his campaign staff was a result of knowing that the Working Families endorsement of Warren was coming. Reading their statement, they think she is running a better campaign. Words are ok, being able to accomplish what you say is vastly more important.
NotMax
Okay, at first read that as “dog dancing.”
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Working Families Party received 1.9% of the vote in the 2018 governor’s race. It’s actually down from 2010, when they received 3.4% of the vote.
In a close elections, ever vote counts, but let’s not turn them into something they’re not.
Baud
Really? He’s still actually trying. He’s polling worse than Williamson.
Baud
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
But how often are they retweeted?
OzarkHillbilly
“Who do you like more, the country or the Hispanics?”
“Fuck you.”
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Meanwhile, Wilmer just fired his campaign manager in New Hampshire. Which means Rose Titanic will have a new captain rearranging the deck chairs for the last four months.
Blup. Blup. Blup.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Baud
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
The convention isn’t until the summer.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
NotMax
All this foofaraw for a state in which the Dems have zero chance of prevailing in the general election…
Baud
@NotMax:
Another reason for national popular vote.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Maybe he just needs some crystals.
rikyrah
@NotMax:
The nomination is won or lost in the Southern primaries
JPL
@rikyrah: Why? I would think that the larger states played an important role. South Carolina is important because they vote early and a win adds to the momentum.
btw good morning
Chris Johnson
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Was the new one also a russian mole? I do like that he keeps firing them.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
It should also be noted New York has a closed primary, meaning only card carrying Democrats can vote in the Democratic primary (ie no other parties are allowed to participate). And if you want to switch parties so you can vote in the 2020 NY Primary, you have to do so by October 11th, 2019 ( 25 days left).
?BillinGlendaleCA
OT: Looks like the youngin’s having a good time in Bali.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
@Baud:forget the convention, he’s taking it all the way to the Electoral College and have a “floor fight” there on December 14.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: While I’m a proponent of closed primaries, I think New York’s deadline to switch parties is a tad bit too long(90 days would be about right).
?BillinGlendaleCA
Why am I still up, my local news decided to show video of the dude who brought his “emotional support clown” when his company canned him. I’m afraid to sleep now.
OzarkHillbilly
Well, it’s an argument, not sure how convincing it is but when you’re a lawyer with a lemon for a client I guess one makes lemonade.
BESIDES, LOW AND BEHOLD HE REALLY IS A PEDOPHILE!!!!
Then again, maybe his lawyers are the idiots here. I await discovery where this “report” will be shared and the “investigator” is deposed. S/He’d better hope his/her lawyer is better than Beetlejuice’s.
ETA Linky: Beetlejuice claims he didn’t intend to accuse British diver of pedophilia
?BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: Wonder if Beetlejuice hired the same “investigators” as Trump “hired to go to Hawaii” to investigate Obama’s birth certificate.
OzarkHillbilly
@JPL: We went thru all this when Wilmer said the same thing about S Carolina.
OzarkHillbilly
@JPL: For the record, S Carolina for DEMs is important because it is the first primary where there is a large constituency of black voters who generally have the final say of who wins or loses there.
Chyron HR
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
Well, I’m sure that Bernie learned his lesson from last time and will actually get his supporters registered so they can vote for him in the 2020 NY primary.
Baud
@Chyron HR:
Bernie doesn’t adjust to Democratic rules. Democratic rules adjust to Bernie.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Iowa is still first even though they went all in for Trump. No one can complain about South Carolina.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
And if he still comes up short, the rules were rigged.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Is it OK if we complain about Iowa?
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Yes.
satby
Blech.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud:
You misspelled ‘Wilmer’.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: Gonna hit 92 today, 93 tomorrow, 92 again on Thursday…. So yeah, Blech.
Betty Cracker
Mmmmm, chicken bog! (My grandma was from South Carolina.)
germy
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: I just pulled up and bookmarked 4 different recipes. Have you got a favorite?
Baud
@germy:
What did Bernie say about Warren that provoked those tweets?
satby
@OzarkHillbilly: very similar to Lexington, KY; to where my younger son announced I should move because I’ll be entering my dotage at some time in the apparently near future. Nope. I’m more inclined to move to Iceland.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: Did you tell him that if he’s so concerned, maybe he should consider moving to South Bend?
satby
@Baud: Wilmer is a conspiracy theorist, and everyone plots against him. The specifics may change, but the whining never does.
NotMax
@OzarkHillbilly
95 and 94 here the last few days.
satby
@OzarkHillbilly: he can’t. He’s got a new job with the city, and it’s a good one. I appreciate his (and his brother’s) concern; they’re just about 20 years too early on the “what about mom” discussion.
Lapassionara
@Betty Cracker: I never saw the appeal of chicken bog. The bog I had was a mushy mess with very little flavor.
zhena gogolia
I hope Major Major Major Major didn’t brave that crowd. I get a panic attack just looking at that picture.
Betty Cracker
@OzarkHillbilly: I don’t have anything written down. Sometimes I go to the trouble of simmering a chicken to make broth, and sometimes I take a short cut and use rotisserie chicken and store-bought broth. Always onion, celery and garlic, but even the sausage is optional!
@Lapassionara: To be honest, my grandma’s wasn’t very good either. She wasn’t much of a cook. But it’s a great basic dish to make your own and can be wonderful (and easy!) if cooked with care, IMO.
debbie
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
I’m hoping they’re a bellwether.
NotMax
@satby
Tell ’em you’ve already sold your dotage on ebay as you have no intention of using it.
;)
satby
So of course the purchase of this booth at the Farmer’s Market was just approved and I’m already positive I’ll regret it. The middle vendor (who insisted on the space I wanted) is now trying to maneuver to get all the granite topped cabinets in all three spaces that the previous owner left. The third vendor promised them to me for free, now I have to pay to relocate them because of her trying to get them out from under me. She’s going to suck as a neighbor. UGH!
Baud
@satby:
I agree. But those tweets reference a specific allegation against Warren, which I don’t think I’ve seen from him directly.
satby
@NotMax: ? true!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: Supposed to get down to the high 70’s here on Thursday, though back up to the high 80’s, low 90’s for the weekend.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: I am sure the day will come when My oldest will say something similar. I’m just going to reply that when I bought this place it was with the intention of dying here and I’m not going to be denied that.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@BillinGlendaleCA: I think I see why the guy was fired.
Butter emails!!!
@germy:
I suspect that Warren is ultimately willing to compromise on her Medicare for all position. She’s just not going to retreat from it at this point, because 1. She’ll lose some support to Bernie and 2. Bernie isn’t capable of defending Medicare for all so Republicans will be able to use it to hammer Medicare’s popularity while at the same time making Biden’s plan the far left position. Republicans will naturally roll out their sensible alternative of selling the blood of 9 poor people to Peter Thiel in exchange for free aspirin for a 10th.
waratah
@OzarkHillbilly: When I think of South Carolina I always think of the person that said at one of Beto’s first rallies there that when they looked at the candidates they want a winner and one that will take the electorate vote. I have not heard very much talk about the ability to take the electorate vote in our primary.
Baud
@Butter emails!!!:
2016 proved the dangers of being honest with voters about the political possibility space.
Dorothy A. Winsor
What does that even mean? Are “the Hispanics” not part of the country? Is he supposed to like the country more than his wife and kids, assuming they’re Hispanic?
Lapassionara
@Betty Cracker: I would like all the same ingredients if it was a soup on a rainy day, but having the rice cooked in with the chicken resulted in an over-cooked glop of rice with chicken and sausage bits in it.
I think chicken bog is beloved in South Carolina because of tradition, and not because of taste. YMMV
Jeffro
One of my relatively progressive FB friends is arguing with me that VA is a purple state (I’m saying it’s a blue one). I’m thinking about recent election results and statewide offices; I think she’s noting that (due to extreme gerrymandering) the GOP has the thinnest of holds on the legislature. Plus she may just be ‘averaging’ all the blue cities and college towns against the red rural areas.
Different criteria, I suppose. I’m just glad it’s blue. ;)
Jeffro
Also, I see that #MillenialRetirementPlans is trending on Twitter, and the best one I’ve seen yet is
=)
OzarkHillbilly
@Dorothy A. Winsor: “Have you stopped beating you wife yet?”
satby
The Silenced
This will get your blood pumping this morning.
Princess
@Dorothy A. Winsor: That’s exactly what it is supposed to mean. He means Hispanics are not part of this country and the guy s supposed to prefer his country over all. Or, as some might say, “uber alles.”
Nicole
I tagged onto a thread late last night about this, but I went to the Washington Square Park Warren rally yesterday, and it was absolutely packed. I waited in line 3 hours for a picture but she was still going strong when I got there. Everyone stayed very pleasant and enthusiastic. And when one of the volunteers patrolling the line collecting trash came by and I offered to give him two dollars if he could get me a bottle of water, he offered to go find me one for nothing, found one and brought it back to me. I hate standing in line, I hate, hate, hate it, but I had a really fun time last night and the time flew by.
OzarkHillbilly
@Nicole: Nice.
Amir Khalid
@OzarkHillbilly:
Beetlejuice is clearly in denial over his inevitable defeat in this lawsuit. His ego is directing his lawyers to make these ridiculous denials, instead of relying on their lawyerly acument to minimise the damage he has done to himself. Irresistible force of personality, poor judgement, and lack of self-control are a dangerous combination.
Baud
@Nicole:
You’ll never have to stand in line at a Baud! 2020! rally.
Ken
@Baud: “Oh, no one goes to the Warren rallies. They’re too crowded.”
(Repurposing an old restaurant joke.)
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Nicole: There’s one for the memory book!
Baud
Fair = not based on evidence.
Baud
@Ken:
Heh.
John S.
@Baud:
In Baud’s America, the line stands on you!
PJ
@Amir Khalid: And, plus, too – cocaine is a helluva drug.
OzarkHillbilly
@Ken: Yogi Berra’s words will live forever.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Baud: Truth
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Of course Trump, because like most white Americans you are a German-American and it rankles you
Ken
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: I thought he was Slavic-American. Weren’t his mother and his father’s mother both immigrants?
Ken
BTW did I inadvertently activate a pie filter? Several comments up there refer to “Beetlejuice” and seem to mean Elon Musk. Background?
Another Scott
@Ken: There was a period not long ago when any mention of EM would cause a certain poster to sea lion the thread.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
evodevo
@satby: Well,to be sure…it’s probably cheaper than Iceland lol – it’s a nice town, but not too much to do, if you aren’t a horse person…I live near there and have for 40 years…
Amir Khalid
@Ken:
Donald Trump’s mother was from Scotland, which is one reason he is especially despised by Scots. His paternal grandfather Frederick (né Friedrich) Trump emigrated to America to dodge the draft, and made his fortune in the US as an owner of restaurants and brothels. The Slavic connection in his family is through Ivana, I think.
JPL
@OzarkHillbilly: I understand SC, but this year I doubt that GA plays a role because we don’t vote until after Super Tuesday.
O. Felix Culpa
Went to the Trump counter-demonstration – called the New Mexico for All Community Event – in Albuquerque yesterday evening. The paper said there were hundreds present, but my guess would be closer to a thousand or more (the press seems to regularly lowball attendance estimates). The event was good-natured and clear that Trump was not welcome here. It was held away from the convention center to minimize the chance of violence (Proud Boys etc. are in town) and to avoid feeding his ego by giving him negative attention, which he thrives on at least as much as from cheers.
ETA: The convention center where the rally was held had a designated fenced-in demonstration site, which many of us felt could be dangerous should things go awry. Egress would have been problematic at best. Turns out there were a few shouting matches between Trumpsters and demonstrators but the police prevented contact between the two groups.
Califlander
@satby: It’s nice here. Aurora season started about a month ago.
TomatoQueen
@Jeffro: I’m in Alexandria and agree strongly with your friend. It’s easy to live in blue Northern VA and mistake local power and influence for real change, but it hasn’t happened yet; if you look at the local color map for 2016, the red places dominate the blue everywhere but the People’s Republics of Alexandria and Arlington and Fairfax County, all of which are huge population centers and the sources of most of the wealth of the state. All that blue notwithstanding, at a minimum there is the next election cycle to get through before the colors flip, and there is plenty of RWNJ, Confederate fantasizing, and downright perversity standing in the way. I am hopeful for 2020 but not confident, as fuckery abounds.
ThresherK
Stuart Stevens is an unfamiliar name. Being an R strategist and saying things like the above are probably why he doesn’t get on TV!
Cacti
@Baud:
Fair also = he isn’t charged with the statutes he knowingly and willfully violated.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Putin is not serving him caviar and good vodka?
NotMax
@TomatoQueen
A rotating tag nominee if ever one wert.
;)
Steeplejack (phone)
@rikyrah:
Good morning! ?
Kay
The GOP’s health care plan is fake, rip-off insurance:
This is so tailor made for Elizabeth Warren it’s like they designed it for her campaign.
It’s health insurance, corruption AND a consumer scam, all rolled into one!
She is going to be LIVID :)
Yarrow
@ThresherK:
Really? I’ve known of him for years. He was a top strategist for Romney’s 2012 campaign and worked on other campaigns before that. Seems to be one of those “Republican strategist” names that comes up a lot.
Frankensteinbeck
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
That is exactly what it means, that only whites can be American, and every Republican agrees with him. All of them. Some just know it sounds bad if you say it.
Nicole
@Baud:
Baud, forget standing in line; I’m still lobbying to be your VP. Aren’t you getting my calls? My texts? My emails? My candy grams? Didn’t you see me standing outside your window last night? Was it the flowers? Did they make me look too eager?
Another Scott
@Frankensteinbeck: I’m not willing to check, but I had the impression that Donnie was riffing on his “Hispanics love me” stuff, because, obviously, everybody loves him. “Some, I’m sure, are good people” after all. So the candidate obviously should have said, “¿Por qué no los dos?!”
:-/
Just another day ending in “y”.
Cheers,
Scott.
opiejeanne
@Nicole: LOL!
Elizabelle
Cokie Roberts has died. Some say.
I liked her so much more before I realized what a “both sides” enabler she was.
ETA: Somehow I don’t think we are going to have a memorial thread for her, as we did for the irreplaceable Ric Ocasek.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Frankensteinbeck: yup, it’s just a couple clicks away from “go back to where they came from”
gwangung
@Baud:
If’n I recall, this is a state law, applied to both republicans and democrats.
I know, I know….details….not important for the big picture….
Major Major Major Major
@zhena gogolia:
Samwise and I livestreamed it from the la-z-boy. I just knew it was going to be a cluster.
PJ
@Elizabelle: Cokie Roberts, who implied that Obama was un-American for going on vacation to Hawaii (where he grew up). I have no nice words to say at her passing.
Elizabelle
@PJ: She wasn’t always that bad. I think. She is a DC insider who could not find her honesty as the rightwing burrowed in. But you’re right. She burned her legacy with that idiocy. And many others.
opiejeanne
@PJ: How is visiting Hawai`i un-American? How on earth do you spin that?
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
Just coming here to say that.
In Cokie’s early days with NPR, back in the ‘70s, I admired her very much and, in fact, viewed her (along with Susan Stamberg, Linda Wertheimer, Jackie Judd, Nina Totenberg and the rest of NPR’s “founding mothers”) as role model.
But I really started to sour on her once she became a TV personality, especially as a Sunday morning pundit. By the Obama years, I couldn’t bear to listen to her. Not sure whether she changed, or I did, or both. Probably both.
Nevertheless, I wish her a peaceful rest, and condolences to her family and friends.
Elizabelle
@SiubhanDuinne: She changed. You did too, but in the direction of becoming even more authentic and woke.
She went the other way. She did not have to, but she did.