Monday Morning Open Thread: Best We Can Do Is Persist


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183 replies
  1. 1
    sukabi says:

    Dowd can take her 4 martinis and fuck right on off.

    Good morning, and good night.😜

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    cain says:

    I agree.. 4 martinis is probably enough to get her started on writing whatever passes as drivel. That woman… sigh.

    With the media assist, it seems that they might think that things will be more profitable for everyone with Trump around because liberal flop sweat tastes sweet to conservatives and the media.

  3. 3
    Matt McIrvin says:

    As someone pointed out in the Twitter thread, since when is Maureen Dowd a liberal? That’s not panic, it’s gloating.

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    Eljai says:

    It would make me very happy if Maureen Dowd and David Axelrod would take their mediocre opinions and go the fuck away. What purpose do they serve? Maybe they could take up knitting.

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    Shalimar says:

    Mississippi and South Carolina aren’t happening, even with the weakest incumbents of the 10. The other 8 races are possible.

    If Democrats do pick up Texas and Georgia, it is because Trump loses both states. Which could make him a historic loser as far as popular vote margins go.

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    Baud says:

    There are two positive things I can say about Biden as the nominee. The first is this.

    Biden by 11.5, 

    The second is that it would piss off the portions of the left who hated Hillary.

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    prostratedragon says:

    @prostratedragon: Let’s try it again: The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, Wikipedia.

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    Mary G says:

    These people can’t let go of the Democrats in disarray meme, even though the candidates are playing to packed houses wherever they go, except for Biden, who sticks with firefighters for his occasional appearances.

    The latest Kavanaugh thing and the FTFNYT’s “harmless fun is getting a pen1s in your face” has me furious again, and I’m not alone.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😊😊😊

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    rikyrah says:

    @Mary G:

    We all knew that the FBI investigation was bullshyt. As it was happening, I know that I saw on Twitter folks talking about how they were trying to get in touch with the FBI, but has been ignored.😠😠😠😠

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    rikyrah says:

    Kavanaugh should be tied to Little Susie and Gardner in 2020😠😠

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: He knew Corn Pop so that’s pretty cool.

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    JPL says:

    @rikyrah: I assume that he will be. Also, good morning.

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    Baud says:

    @JPL:

    Baud!/Corn Pop! 2020!

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    NotMax says:

    Small morning grin – closed caption funnies from last evening.

    Dialogue: “It look like it’s abandoned.”

    CC: “It looks like it’s banana fun.”

    @prostratedragon

    They no longer teach about that to school kids? As I recall, our class spent a solid week on the situation and its ramifications, both political and regarding the labor movement.

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    NotMax says:

    @Baud

    (rushes to alter the template for the Baud!/Cornhole MMXX yard signs)

    ;)

  19. 19
    Baud says:

    @NotMax:

    Baud!/Cornhole MMXX: Banana Fun!

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    Starfish says:

    @Eljai: What did knitters ever do to you to deserve this?

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    Baud says:

    Snowden calls on France’s Macron to grant him asylum

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:
    No, Little Eddie….
    Stay your azz in Moscow😒😒

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    satby says:

    @Baud: poor little traitor, has life in Russia ceased to entertain?

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Or come home.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Recession Already Grips Corners of U.S., Menacing Trump’s 2020 Bid

    The moment usually comes during Greg Petras’s commute through the rolling hills and cornfields of southern Wisconsin. Somewhere between his home near Madison and the factory he runs on the edge of the small town of Brodhead, the news will turn to the trade wars and Donald Trump will again claim that China is bearing the cost of his tariffs. That’s when Petras loses it.

    “It’s just an outright lie, and he knows it,” says Petras, president of Kuhn North America, which employs some 600 people at its farm-equipment factory in Wisconsin. For Kuhn, Trump’s trade war has produced a toxic mix of rising costs and falling revenues. “You’re slamming your fist on the steering wheel and saying ‘Why would you tell people this?’”

    About 250 Kuhn employees spent the Labor Day holiday caught in a two-week furlough, and they’re facing another in early October. A shrinking order book means Kuhn is cutting costs and slashing production as Petras and his managers peer out at a U.S. economy that looks far bleaker from the swing-state heartland than it does in either the White House or on Wall Street.

    The company’s circus-themed summer picnic survived but weekend shifts are gone. A plant that just four years ago was humming along to a record $400 million in sales together with a sister plant in Kansas is running at 50% capacity. The five-year-old, $11 million paint shop that coats the company’s manure spreaders and livestock feeders in a distinctive “Kuhn Red” is at 39% capacity. Plans for a new $4 million research and development building are on hold. “We’ll do it someday,” Petras says. “We just need things to be going in a better direction.”

    And there’s the rub. For all the debate on whether the U.S. is headed for a recession there’s plenty of evidence that corners of the economy—such as the one Petras and his employees inhabit—may already have tumbled into one.

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    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink says:

    Doesn’t Alaska have a non-Murkowski Senate seat up in 2020? Seems like with all the craziness up there with the razing of the state university system that the right candidate could wring out a victory there, with a fraction of the resources someone might need to beat say, McConnell

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Johnson’s ‘bonkers’ plan for £15bn bridge derided by engineers

    Engineering experts have poured cold water over Boris Johnson’s “bonkers” plan to build a bridge between Scotland and Northern Ireland for £15bn. The prime minister – who first touted the idea of the 20-mile-plus bridge last year – put a price on his proposal for the first time last week, saying it would “only” cost the multibillion pound sum.

    But experts have said that, while it might technically be possible to construct the bridge connecting Scotland’s mainland with the outskirts of Belfast, it is potentially fraught with problems and the costs could spiral. One eminent engineer, who was behind London’s Millennium bridge, told the Guardian it was “bonkers” to put a price on the plan before a proper design was in place. Another engineering academic labelled the proposal “dubious economics”.
    ………………………….
    David Barwell, the UK and Ireland CEO of AECOM – one of the world’s biggest engineering firms – said: “Engineers, we can come up with any which way you want to get something like this done. You can do it … there would be an engineering solution. I think the next piece, the other piece which people are asking is, ‘OK, well there’s an engineering solution, but at what cost?’”

    More than once during my years of construction I was asked, “Can you build….?” To which I always answered, “I can build you anything. Can you pay?”

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    SFAW says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    A six-pack (or prize of equivalent value) says Petras will pull a Collins when he enters the booth next November: “I am VERY disappointed, but I have his assurance that he will lead us out of this most recent Obama Recession.”

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @SFAW: listening to Republicans talk about how they are very disappointed in the Republican President but won’t ever go against him is like watching an android revert back to base programming when it encounters a logic fault.

    For them, the Republican is never wrong, just momentarily led astray.

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    SFAW says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    BoJo Horses-Ass will get Finn McCool to build it, I expect.

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    debbie says:

    I’m sorry Rob Portman isn’t included in that list of Senators to beat. He is quiet, but insidious: the perfect Rethuglican. Every bit as monstrous as Moscow Mitch; just more quiet about it.

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    SFAW says:

    @BlueDWarrior:

    is like watching an android revert back to base programming when it encounters a logic fault.

    “Moron, coordinate!”

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    BlueDWarrior says:

    @debbie: he is a throwback to when Republicans writ large knew how to couch language to prevent anyone but liberal ideologues from getting mad at them.

    Now we call basic tact a unique trait…

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    satby says:

    @SFAW: I don’t know, seems the anger in farm country is real.
    Whether they can overcome the knee-jerk tribalism fueled by almost 40 years of propaganda fed to them via right wing media is the question.

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    hueyplong says:

    @SFAW: Totally agree, but if I’m going to be subjected to a trope story, I prefer “Angry Trump Voter In State That Should Have Gone For Clinton Feels Betrayed” to “Diner Denizens Still All In For Trump.”

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    debbie says:

    @satby:

    Oh, they’re plenty mad…at the USDA, who they believe is conspiring to damage Donald Trump.

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    Kay says:

    @BlueDWarrior:

    But he won’t in 2020. Trump has turned him into an independent, he says, and he’s now expecting to vote for a Democrat.

    Trump only won WI by 20,000. He can’t lose any.

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    satby says:

    @debbie: read that article, it’s by a local news reporter in Iowa. I hope the anger about tariffs and climate carries over with enough rural farmers to change the calculations, but the level of outright bullshit spewed by the news media (including NPR, which ceased being an honest news source more than a decade ago) is a hurdle.

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    Jinchi says:

    Beating Trump Is Almost Meaningless Without Reforming Mitch McConnell’s Senate

    That’s the title of the GQ article linked above.

    This after a summer in which Trump seized $3 billion from the military to support his vanity project, ordered agents to break the law by seizing land along the border, kicked hundreds of hurricane disaster refugees off a ferry from the Bahamas, banned asylum for people from Central American nations, threatened to fire NOAA meteorogists for accurately reporting the weather, is aggressively trying to indict the former Deputy Director of the FBI, all while openly soliciting foreign help for his re-election campaign.

    (This is a heavily abridged list of the scandals of the last few weeks.)

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    debbie says:

    @satby:

    Good. I hope they can convince their looney tunes neighbors. (I wish the article had raised the issue of the permanent loss of market share.)

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    JPL says:

    @Jinchi: So that’s why my stomach has been in knots.

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    Baud says:

    @Jinchi:

    Beating Trump Is Almost Meaningless Without Reforming Mitch McConnell’s Senate

    I obviously want is to win every contest, but let’s be clear that this headline is an outright lie.

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    Baud says:

    @satby:

    I hope it works out, but it’s not something we have control over or can worry about. At most, we make some minimal outreach efforts to remind them that we exist as an option for them.

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    It is possible I have Maureen Dowd confused with Peggy Noonan.

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    Baud says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Haha. That’s understandable.

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    Kay says:

    Striking GM employees were joined on the picket lines by workers from Ford and Fiat Chrysler, who are working under contract extensions.
    Night shift workers at an aluminum castings factory in Bedford, Indiana, that makes transmission casings and other parts shut off their machines and headed for the exits, said Dave Green, a worker who transferred from the now-shuttered GM small-car factory in Lordstown, Ohio.

    My son’s electrician union isn’t crossing (what they will consider) a picket line in the stamping plant where they’re working. The plant makes parts for GM, Ford and Tesla. They run different lines in parts of the plant. He says Tesla just came in to the plant last year. I don’t think they can predict how big this will be because these parts plants supply different car makers from one location.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Teamsters are supporting the strike. Trump is blaming both sides.

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    rikyrah says:

    Propane Jane™ (@docrocktex26) Tweeted:
    Reading through the Kavanaugh headlines and smh at how much filth, chaos, abuse and corruption the White American majority is willing to tolerate as long as it keeps White Republican men in control of all 3 branches of government… https://t.co/WbyTPVnSCX https://twitter.com/docrocktex26/status/1173304351244410882?s=17

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    rikyrah says:

    M’BlockU (@rodimusprime) Tweeted:
    Stacey Abrams working on voter suppression. Obama working on gerrymandering.

    Once again black people doing the work of trying to save this “democracy” from itself.

    A story as old as time. https://twitter.com/rodimusprime/status/1167049471777214466?s=17

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    Baud says:

    New York Times apologizes for ‘inappropriate and offensive’ tweet about Kavanaugh sexual misconduct allegation

    Link goes to WaPo.

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    Spanky says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    It is possible I have Maureen Dowd confused with Peggy Noonan.

    All those right-wing Irish-American Republican apologist opinion writers look the same.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I thought they were the same person, one was the drunk columnist and the other was the sober columnist. Sometimes they switched roles.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    He went in at 5:30 (AM) Sunday to work on the Tesla line (which is robotic) and they sent them home at 7:30 with this bizarre “explanation” that they hadn’t had “orientation” so couldn’t work. So they hired 9 electricians, sent a van to pick them up at their houses, paid them double time for 3 hours, and sent them all home. He thinks they’re freaking out.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @sukabi:

    Dowd can take her 4 martinis and fuck right on off.

    Good morning, and good night.😜

    Agreed. It’s not even 7AM here, and Maureen Died can already go fuck herself.

    Also, good morning and good night. I’m going back to sleep.

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    Spanky says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Neither one has ever been known as “the sober columnist”.

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    Karen S. says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: This Petras dude really doesn’t understand Trump. Took note of the bit where the article states how well Petras’ company was doing 4 years ago when someone named Obama was president and had been president for several years at the time. Hmmm… What could that possibly mean? I doubt Petras makes the connection between where his company was back then and where it is now. Or he will and will willfully ignore it.

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    Spanky says:

    @mrmoshpotato: You misspelled Maureen Dood.

    It’s a vertigo morning, so I’d prefer to be upright. Otherwise, I’d go back to bed too. And I’m on EDT.

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    Baud says:

    @Spanky:

    It’s more of a vodka vs. gin situation.

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    Kathleen says:

    @debbie: Yes he is. He comes across as “reasonable”. Very insidious.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Did anyone see “Country Music” on PBS? I was particularly fascinated by details of the Carter Family’s music biz origin story — my husband dug up a documentary on the Carters on one of the streaming channels a while back (Netflix? Prime?), but Burns’ version provided new (to me) details. It was a well done intro, and we’re looking forward to the next episodes.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Spanky: How’s about one is drunk and the other is hung over?

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    Another Scott says:

    ‘morning all.

    Twitter:

    Josh @iwearaonesie

    wife: We just ate, why are you making pancakes?
    me: They’re for the dogs
    wife: Why are you making pancakes for the dogs?
    me: They don’t know how

    10:05 AM – 14 Sep 2019

    (via nycsouthpaw)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @debbie:

    I’m sorry Rob Portman isn’t included in that list of Senators to beat.

    Portman’s Senate seat isn’t up until 2022.

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    satby says:

    @Kay: my kid left his job at the Toyota factory in KY to take a job doing fleet maintenance for the city of Lexington. Toyota was dangling jobs to the long term temps for years but wasn’t converting them to permanent positions, I suspect because the company is planning for recession too.

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    SFAW says:

    @Baud:

    It’s more of a vodka vs. gin situation.

    I’d say “Po-TAY-toe, po-TAH-toe,” but that might be pushing it.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: That’s a good read. Skipped over it yesterday.

    @Baud: It’s not just about winning those votes, it’s also about making Repubs work harder at keeping them.

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    That’s no excuse.

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Excellent point.

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    Baud says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I don’t like country, but I saw a preview of that documentary, and it looked fascinating.

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    SFAW says:

    @satby:

    I suspect because the company is planning for recession too.

    Perhaps. Might also be because they, like plenty of other companies, don’t want to add the workers to the “permanent employees” roster for tax and other financial reasons. Lots of companies seem to want to keep their payrolls “lean,” so that they don’t have to pay for things like healthcare, vacations, training, benefits in general.

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    Ken says:

    A few months ago there was speculation that McConnell et al would persuade Clarence Thomas to retire next summer, and use the opening on the Court to rally support for Republicans in the Senate. (In future I will call this “pulling a Kennedy” to save time.)

    I can’t help but wonder if McConnell et al have gamed out the scenario where they pull a Kennedy with Kavanaugh. Think of the advantages of a “liberals hounded this innocent man from his seat” campaign.

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    Baud says:

    @Ken:

    I think Thomas will retire on his own. Kavanaugh is young. He won’t give up his seat. And I don’t think it would help the Republicans to try to get him to resign. Their voters will see it as a betrayal.

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    Sab says:

    @debbie: Yeah. Back in the day when I thought they were purging crooks out of the Ohio GOP it turns out they were only purging the mosty honest ones who had gone astray. The shameless crooks took over.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @BlueDWarrior: The rank and file voter fallback is “both sides are equally bad; all politicians are corrupt.” Which sounds like worldly-wise cynicism but is actually an excuse for whatever open corruption is right there in front of them. I first heard it as a reaction to Watergate.

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    Ken says:

    @Jinchi:

    Trump seized $3 billion from the military to support his vanity project

    But think of the advantages of this precedent for future Democratic administrations!

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    Baud says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Agreed. But if it affects turnout, that will be helpful.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I’ve had that problem too. If it’s talking about how Democratic men are women and Democratic women are men, it’s probably Dowd. If it spins into loopy mystical reveries about Reagan’s feet and magic dolphins, it’s probably Noonan.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Baud: Yup. The GOP would never risk losing one of “their” seats.

    McConnell kept Garland off the court because Scalia’s seat was “theirs”. If Justice McLefty suddenly left the court, then normally they wouldn’t care if a Democrats submitted a replacement – it wouldn’t change the “balance” of the court. They know that a Democrat isn’t going to submit a RWNJ so they probably wouldn’t fight too hard over even a lefty choice. Once Justice RWNJ is on the 5:4 court though, he’s there for life in McConnell’s book.

    No way that Thomas will be pressured to resign unless Donnie and McConnell figure they have the votes to replace him with Justice RWNJ before the election – it’s just too risky. McConnell isn’t willing to give up a RWNJ court, even if it means they lose an election. Kavanaugh is safe (at the moment anyway).

    Bird in the hand…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Baud says:

    @Another Scott:

    They can easily replace anyone. Who’s going to vote no? Collins? Mitt?

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    Trump in Rio Rancho tonight.

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    rikyrah says:

    @satby:
    I have no sympathy for them.
    None.😒😒

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    Argiope says:

    @debbie: He’s not up until 2022. We are stuck with him until then. Hoping that his family members need an abortion, or develop a preexisting condition, or any number of other things he won’t change his mind on until personally affected. Because that’s how Rob rolls.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Baud: It really depends. I’m not willing to predict much of anything these days.

    McConnell has been ramming judges through like there’s no tomorrow for the GOP and it’s starting to bite him. And Donnie will have more trouble going forward. Law360:

    But the president has been relying on a strategy that others have found tried and true: turning first to seats in politically friendly districts, before tackling vacancies in states where he’s likely to face more opposition.

    The blue slip policy gives home-state senators the ability to veto a nominee, and while it was abandoned by the Republican majority earlier this year for the appellate courts, the process remains in effect for appointments to the lower courts.

    With that policy in place, and the bulk of vacancies in Democrat-controlled states, Trump will have a tough time filling the 61 district court vacancies needed to get a Republican-appointed majority in the trial courts before the 2020 elections — let alone fill all the vacancies, as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., pledged last week.

    […]

    One reason Trump’s overall rate of appointment may be slightly higher than it has been at this point in some past presidencies is that almost four times as many Republican-appointed judges have taken senior status as Democratic-appointed judges during this time.

    It’s typical for judges to take senior status when the party that appointed them occupies the White House, but the overall rate of judges taking senior status has been slightly higher during Trump’s presidency than it has been at this point in past presidencies.

    For example, in the District of New Jersey, all four vacancies that have opened up since Trump took office were from Republican-appointed judges assuming senior status or retiring. In the Southern District of New York, two of the three judges who have taken senior status since Trump took office were appointed by a Republican president.

    Scheindlin, in speculating about Trump’s prospects for filling the bench in her former court, said current Democrat-appointed judges who might be eligible for senior status are likely playing the political waiting game and holding off till they see what happens in the next election.

    I can’t find it now, but there was some discussion recently about some RWNJ nominee (District Court? Court of Appeals?) that had some horrible anti-gay, etc., views publicized that he had to kinda-sorta try to walk back during the hearings. Eventually the system will rebel against McConnell’s tactics because Senators want to be re-elected too.

    We’ll see.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    jonas says:

    @SFAW: Yup. At some point, these folks have to decide whether or not the satisfaction of seeing poor, scared immigrant children cry in cages is worth having your company run into the ground by a massive own-goal of a trade war. Like you, however, I’m not entirely confident they’re willing to give up the daily lib pwning for their own livelihoods.

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    Kay says:

    @satby:

    my kid left his job at the Toyota factory in KY to take a job doing fleet maintenance for the city of Lexington.

    Good for him. The eternal temp to hire nonsense shouldn’t be permitted. My son has to decide if he leaves the union in January. That’s when he goes from apprentice to journeymen, takes the state/city test and decides whether to stay with them or go out to non-union. I don’t think he’ll leave. They send him all over the place, which he likes. Ohio is reciprocal with Michigan in licensing so he’ll be licensed in both states.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: A lot of country music, until the last decade or so was misogynistic.

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    They don’t want your sympathy. They want your submissiveness.

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    Baud says:

    @JPL:

    Probably not just country. Rock and rap have that too.

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    Baud says:

    @jonas:

    The majority clearly won’t abandon Trump. The question is whether we can peel off enough to win a few more elections.

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    JPL says:

    The president is upset that Congress isn’t investigating President Obama’s book deal and netflix deal. Didn’t someone just blow up Saudi refineries?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Spanky: Hahaha Oh autoincorrect. You crack me up at times.

    I didn’t even notice that.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    In certain states. Which is the reality for us, so I wish I would stop reading “fuck these people!” We don’t get a majority of them but we also can’t lose the 39% or whatever that we have.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    If we can’t say fuck these people, then we can’t say fuck any group of people. And I don’t think any of us are willing to make that sacrifice.

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    Kay says:

    @JPL:

    The corruption narrative is getting to them though. GOP congress members are starting to call D’s corrupt. They’re not invincible, no matter what the political team at the NYTimes says. It matters. If it wasn’t starting to stick douchebag wouldn’t be responding. This idea that he’s untouchable is completely contradicted by how desperately reactive he is.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Baud:

    [nominating Biden] would piss off the portions of the left who hated Hillary.

    You would think so.
    But I’ve had commenters (on another site) tell me in no uncertain terms that Biden should be the nominee, because he would win, because voters who hated Sec. Clinton’s neoliberal corporatist thing would mos def vote for Biden.

    Which, I wot, tells us something about that commenter’s actual objections to HRC, which they _pronounced_ neoliberalism and corporatism, but were spelled M.I.S.O.G.Y.N.Y and C.L.I.N.T.O.N.C.O.O.T.I.E.S

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: The Obama investigation is just plain odd, since former presidents write books. His wife’s book was a best seller for months so why not investigate her. Maybe his base will think it okay, but to me he appears like a jealous old coot that he is.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    You can certainly say fuck the Trump supporters but telling the 39% who have resisted this bullshit for 30 years and continued voting for us to fuck off is just stupid. IMO. We have to win PA and WI. We can’t do that with 3 urban counties. These people aren’t even that plugged in. Imagining they “hate us” is echo chamber. They don’t think about it enough to hate us. People have to be asked for their vote. Trump isn’t asking anyone outside his base. We can.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    That’s fair. Then we need to be nice to everybody.

    Gun owners, evangelicals, police, wall Street bankers, all have a minority of people who voted Dem. We can’t elevate certain groups of people above others when it comes to the respect we show in our rhetoric.

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    joel hanes says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    build a bridge between Scotland and Northern Ireland

    Many piers in water over 1000 feet deep, some of them sunk into a WWII ordnance dump with a million tons of undocumented unexploded ordnance. What fun!

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    Kay says:

    @JPL:

    Trump is really vulnerable on corruption. He ran on “drain the swamp”. It was CENTRAL to his appeal to non-lunatics. If he’s responding he’s worried. It IS starting to stick, too. They’re corrupt as hell. They have a sleazy pay to play scandal once a fucking week. No one is in charge. They’re all just plundering independently at this point. Trump gets his cut and then it just goes down the line.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kay: Bingo. And right on time [Vox]:

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) just previewed the first major piece of legislation she’d try to pass through Congress if elected president: a vast anti-corruption package to crack down on the entrenched culture of lobbying in Washington, DC.

    Warren’s plan, released Monday morning, is an update of a bill she released back in August 2018, well before she announced her campaign for president. And she’s been clear it would be the first major legislative priority of a Warren administration. Warren believes the flow of money in politics has stalled progress on a number of other issues, including gun violence, climate change, and the rising cost of health care. Stamping money out of politics goes to the root of these issues, she says.

    It’s smart politics, IMO.

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    joel hanes says:

    @satby:

    The Storm Lake Times (to which you linked) is a gem, a strong independent voice with original reporting.

    (Once, The Des Moines Register was among the nation’s best newspapers, with its own DC bureau, and second only to the FTFNYT in Pulitzer Prizes. But first Gannett, and then USA Today gutted it so that today it’s an empty and useless husk of lifestyle and sports up-close-and-personal articles wrapped around a little advertising.)

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t agree. Why would we have to do that? Most people aren’t lunatics or single issue voters. Most people don’t pay that much attention. I think some of the antipathy comes from Bernie’s bullshit argument that he can convert Trump supporters. That’s Bernie. It’s not Democrats. They have to keep his margins down in R areas or we will not win these states. It’s always been true and nothing’s changed as far as that map. They could win some of these western states or southern states but that’s the future. There is no set of circumstances where they don’t need Pennsylvania.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @joel hanes: What could go wrong?

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’m a fan (obviously) but I think she’s been much more effective on corruption than Bernie’s “both sides” is. She hits them on corruption constantly. Uses their names.

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    joel hanes says:

    I am gleeful that the Democratic Party is finally, _finally_ deciding to seriously challenge the re-election of the Republican leadership.

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    Suzanne says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    More than once during my years of construction I was asked, “Can you build….?” To which I always answered, “I can build you anything. Can you pay?”

    My version: “It’s all possible with money.”
    My friend’s version: “All things are possible. Some things are expensive.”

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    The groups I mentioned aren’t single issue voters. They’re groups of people. And they are entitled to the same respect or disrespect that we show others.

    I’m not playing favorites. That’s selling our soul. If Pennsylvania wants to support fascism, so be it.

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    Remember the time Dowd took a pot edible four times stronger than was recommended and wrote an article about how being stoned is dumb and she doesn’t get it?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Suzanne: “I want some new bookshelves. How much will they cost?”
    “Oh, about $40,000.”

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    Kristine says:

    Translation of Axelrod-speak: “No one hired me.”

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    joel hanes says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    The rank and file voter fallback is “both sides are equally bad; all politicians are corrupt.”

    The big advantage of this pose to the lazy/uninformed voter is that it absolves them of any responsibility for learning to distinguish and making choices, and thus absolves them of any responsibility for outcomes. Whatever happens, it’s not _their_ fault, and they can continue lecture the rest of us about the unacceptability of any particular candidate, in all weathers.

    Wankers

    Stein and Nader voters fall into this bin too, also.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    That’s fine but I don’t think Democratic candidates are going to take that approach, so I just hope that isn’t considered a betrayal or somehow Bernie-tainted. The truth is they ran right down the middle in 2018 and they won. They’ll tend to do that again. It worked. You’ll see the shift the moment they have a candidate, with the exception of Bernie.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: oh, hell, I certainly don’t either. I have to listen to the fools four days a week. If it didn’t hurt their innocent children and other people who don’t vote for Republicans, I’d happily watch their farms go right into bankruptcy.
    Fuckem. Fucking pricks who think they’re the only patriotic Americans and ALL the rest of us are interlopers. Fuck them forever.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @joel hanes: I remember more of that in 2016: “Hillary is such a corporate shill; I wish Biden were running.” Which made absolutely no sense to me: for any issues Hillary Clinton had here, Biden was worse.

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    Kay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s smart politics, IMO.

    Trump certainly thinks it’s smart politics since he ran on it. What was his signature bellow? “Crooked Hillary”. Let’s take his word on it. He knows his voters better than anyone. I’m amused the whole “I pay for my campaign” he ran on has disappeared without a trace. He does high dollar fundraisers once a week, just like Jeb Bush would be doing. Same GOP donors. Another huge lie.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @joel hanes: It’s remarkable how similar it sounds whether it comes from leftist purity ponies, Broderian centrists or never-Trump Republicans.

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    Another Scott says:

    @JPL: Donnie’s afraid of Michelle and always has been.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    NotMax says:

    Things that make me go “Huh?”: On the menu at the nice restaurant the other night was a Caesar salad made with kale in place of lettuce.

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Carved from a solid block of pink Himalayan salt.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    reiterating:
    Sec. Clinton was unacceptably female.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @joel hanes: BoJo obviously thinks he’s Mythbusters’ Jamie Hyneman.

    “Jamie wants big boom.”

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    satby says:

    @Baud: clearly, I’m not

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    Leto says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I remember that. “So the marijuana salesperson recommended I start off with this baby dose of weed, but considering I’m not a baby, I bought the B-Real/Vanessa Lavorato “fun pack” and headed back to my hotel room.” It was the equivalent of a 16 year old getting their drivers license and their parents giving them a Formula 1 car as their first drive. Dingbat.

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    Kristine says:

    I often wonder whether some Tr*mp voters who say they will vote for him again no matter how bad things get for them are saying that because otherwise they would have to admit they made a mistake in a national publication. No one likes to admit mistakes, and this admission would have your name attached and be read by millions, including neighbors/family/unhinged strangers who may get pissed off over your change of heart. Like the Clinton supporters who were afraid to admit to such on Facebook etc, maybe they’re afraid of the blowback they’ve seen others receive.

    A lot of maybes, I know. But I think there will be at least a few secret D votes to be had.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NotMax: Huh…. Clicking on my nym takes me to a Kay post. How’d you do dat?

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Of course not. I don’t expect any candidate to act like me.

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    CliosFanboy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: More than once during my years of construction I was asked, “Can you build….?” To which I always answered, “I can build you anything. Can you pay?”

    I LOVE that.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @joel hanes: I agree the “both sides are corrupt” take is lazy and inaccurate, but unfortunately, a huge portion of the electorate falls for that shit, the media reinforces it, and there is enough anecdotal evidence in people’s lived experience to keep the confirmation bias rolling along. For me, the question is what can we do to counter that narrative?

    First, we’ve got to understand that the impression people have that everything is corrupt and voting is a waste of time wasn’t just formed by observing self-dealing and crooked pols; it’s the entire system, which really is rigged in favor of the wealthy and well-connected. Even the college admissions scandal feeds into the perception of unfairness, and the scumbag Sackler clan trying to shield its wealth as it liquidates its company to surrender those assets to victims of its plot to profit from pain.

    IMO, the Trump administration offers Democrats an enormous opportunity to establish our party as the antidote to corruption and plutocracy, not just by preaching to the converted but by demonstrating that we’re different. It looks like the House will hold tons of hearings on Trump administration corruption this term, which is a great start. Warren has the right idea, IMO, but I hope whoever our nominee is will go all-in on fighting for regular people because they really are getting screwed.

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    NotMax says:

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Constructive chaos.

    ;)

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud:

    Of course not. I don’t expect any candidate to act like me.

    Hence Baud 2020.

    Baud 2020 – No one else was crazy enough for me. So I ran myself!

    :)

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    NotMax says:

    @Betty Cracker

    Lots of crossover with those who have nothing but the most strident of negatives to say of Congress while simultaneously gushing with love for their Congressperson.

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    Repatriated says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I agree the “both sides are corrupt” take is lazy and inaccurate, but unfortunately, a huge portion of the electorate falls for that shit, the media reinforces it, and there is enough anecdotal evidence in people’s lived experience to keep the confirmation bias rolling along

    For what it’s worth, I think a variant of that sentiment is what got us Trump: “They’re both bad but (due to decades of media/disinformation/propaganda) Hillary is worse”. And since Trump was a self-evident dumpster fire, Sec. Clinton must have been History’s Greatest Unindicted Monster.

    It was a self-reinforcing meme, backed up by false-equivalency from the media.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    demonstrating that we’re different

    We’ve been demonstrating that we’re different since 1972 or so.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @mrmoshpotato: In future, please make sure to use the correct orthography. It’s Baud! 2020!

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    SFAW says:

    @Another Scott:

    If Justice McLefty suddenly left the court, then normally they wouldn’t care if a Democrats submitted a replacement – it wouldn’t change the “balance” of the court. They know that a Democrat isn’t going to submit a RWNJ so they probably wouldn’t fight too hard over even a lefty choice.

    Right, because Moscow Mitch suddenly became something other than a power-grabbing, traitorous, lying fascist.

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    Repatriated says:

    @Repatriated: On the other hand, none of our current candidates has been a national-level propaganda target (most due to not yet having a national profile, but in VP Biden’s case because Pres. Obama drew all the opposition fire). Meanwhile, Dumpster Fire has been Dumpster Fire all along.So this time around, we get the benefit of the doubt in the “both sides do it” conflict among low-information voters.

    This is separate from the issue of mobilizing voters in the first place, though.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Licensed in two state..sounds like a good deal for him, Kay.
    PS-how are he and the girlfriend doing?

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    NotMax says:

    Is this a thing now? Friend bought a new car this week. Subaru Outback. Came with a feature which he was unaware of until he drove it, namely that if one comes to a complete stop for more than like a second, the engine shuts off and then turns back on when the brake pedal is released. Took me for a ride in it on the first day he had it – there is a definite small but noticeable lurch when the engine shuts itself off that way. That feature alone would drive me even more bonkers than am already.

    Sitting in the front passenger seat I was developing a headache from the unignorable glare of the multiple video screens on the console.

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    rikyrah says:

    @JPL:

    Didn’t someone just blow up Saudi refineries?

    1. Nobody gives a shyt.
    2. Nobody definitely isn’t going to send American troops for that shyt.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    The corruption narrative is getting to them though. GOP congress members are starting to call D’s corrupt.

    I got to see the Chris Hayes show from Friday, when Joy Reid was guest hosting, that sent Dolt45 into a twitter rant about Joy.
    It was all about his corruption…every single segment. No wonder he went nuts.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @NotMax: Yes, it is now a thing.

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    Calouste says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: There is a trench between Scotland and Northern Ireland where that bridge would go that is about 600 feet deep and which had about a million tons of excess ammunition dumped into it after WWI & II.

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    Another Scott says:

    @SFAW: Mitch can block a Democratic president, but he can’t make him appoint a RWNJ.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Trump is really vulnerable on corruption. He ran on “drain the swamp”. It was CENTRAL to his appeal to non-lunatics. If he’s responding he’s worried. It IS starting to stick, too. They’re corrupt as hell.

    It’s the Scottish airport. Like, others, I thought it was a one-off deal…
    Then, I find out that they’ve spent 11 MILLION there since 2017.
    People understand that. In addition to making the Air Force people stay at his resort at inflated prices over their usual per diem. Joy Reid made a fabulous analogy – that the Air Force people were putting it on the corporate credit card -except this time, it’s the American taxpayer. I thought her talking about, if SHE had gone somewhere way more expensive, above the allotted per diem, she would be hauled into HR so fast to explain herself. Breaking it down like that was excellent, IMO. People get that.

    Also, Congress asking for the proof of the so-called other properties that were researched before ‘deciding’ on the Doral for the next G7…..these things are accumulating.

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    NotMax says:

    @Gin & Tonic

    In that case it is time to invest in companies which manufacture starter motors. //

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    Repatriated says:

    @Kay:

    The corruption narrative is getting to them though. GOP congress members are starting to call D’s corrupt

    And “whatabout” doesn’t work when it comes from the wrong side of a credibility gap.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @joel hanes: Okay, perhaps we haven’t demonstrated that difference as effectively as we could have done? Maybe it’s the business I’m in, but I think we’ve failed to establish and reinforce our brand message as Democrats, and that has really harmed us with low-info voters (which is most of them) as well as non-voters. There are a lot of reasons for it, but IMO, the problem is real. I’m happy to see signs among some candidates and other players at the federal level that we’re about to change that.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I watched it and thought it was pretty good. I don’t know much about that era of country music, and it was interesting to get all the detail. I knew a fair amount about Jimmie Rodgers, mostly from his songs, but I didn’t know the story of his illness and death.That was heartbreaking.

    It was a great touch to have Dolly Parton singing “Muleskinner Blues” over the closing credits. That cracked me up.

    One question I had is what the hell did A.P. Carter actually do? They said he sang—sometimes—but I didn’t hear him on any of the clips. And no mention of his playing an instrument. I guess he was more the manager/​agent.

    I liked the musical details, especially the explanation(s) of Maybelle Carter’s groundbreaking “Carter scratch” guitar technique. I didn’t realize that she was such an accomplished guitarist.

    Peter Coyote’s narration sounded a little leaden at times, but I think that was the writing’s fault, not his. And I wonder if it would have been better to have a narrator with a bit of a “country” accent. Not Shelby Foote! Maybe somebody like Ron White or Walton Goggins. Or, OMG, a woman.

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    NotMax says:

    @Betty Cracker

    Yup. “We’re not them” may be easily remembered but it is not particularly inspirational.

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    @Ken:

    I can’t help but wonder if McConnell et al have gamed out the scenario where they pull a Kennedy with Kavanaugh.

    No way. I watched the hearings. Republicans, especially Senate Republicans, are foaming-at-the-mouth furious that Democrats suggested that rape is something a rich white man should be punished for. Kavanaugh is now a symbol of that sacred privilege and the fight to maintain it.

    @Kay:

    He ran on “drain the swamp”.

    That’s a dog whistle, Kay. When Republicans say ‘special interests’ they’re thinking about minorities. They think there’s a vast corrupt lobby infesting the federal government whose goal is to give blacks a leg up on whites. Still, the blatant corruption will pick off a few people, and Trump required a perfect storm to get him into office by a ridiculously tiny margin. It may also discourage Republican voters who would never vote for a Democrat but are deeply invested in their external image as adults in the room. The need for bigots to pretend their bigotry is tough love wisdom is strong.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Gin & Tonic: My apologies. But not as sorry as Matt and Tom.

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    Jinchi says:

    @Ken:

    I can’t help but wonder if McConnell et al have gamed out the scenario where they pull a Kennedy with Kavanaugh.

    They could have done that during his nomination. Instead they rushed him through, knowing there were credible allegations against him. They clearly couldn’t just tell him to withdraw. That would have brought up the obvious comparison with Trump who has 20 even more serious allegations against him.

    There’s no way they do it before the 2020 election and no reason for them to do it after.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I think we’ve failed to establish and reinforce our brand message as Democrats

    Completely agree. Been saying it for awhile here, but other commenters don’t agree. The Democratic brand is what? Do we have a five second pitch? I don’t think we do.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Leto:

    If I recall correctly, the package had directions “Take one first to see how you react. It may take several hours to take effect, so go slow!” or words to that effect. I think the rest of her piece was fiction, really. Most folks that would just put them to bed.

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    germy says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Not Shelby Foote!

    If Shelby were alive today, he’d be over a hundred years old.

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    Yarrow says:

    Boris Johnson’s been empty-podium-ed by the Luxembourg PM. Hilarious. Click through for picture:

    Boris the Bottler?
    Luxembourgers empty lectern him
    PM Bettle gets cheered by protestors as he warns Johnson re Brexit.
    pic.twitter.com/VjESv1bqGm— Paul Waugh (@paulwaugh) September 16, 2019

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    SFAW says:

    @Another Scott:

    Mitch can block a Democratic president

    Which is the point.

    Unless I mis-read your scenario — which is certainly possible — you were suggesting that the Rethugs would let a non-RWMF replacement for Ginsburg or Sotomayor go through, because at least it wouldn’t flip the SCOTUS from a 5-4 RWMF majority to a “liberal” majority. I think that’s a pipe dream, while Traitor Turtle is still majority leader. His entire raison d’etre is doing whatever he can to secure a permanent RWMF majority, in as many places as he can, by whatever means he can.

    Now, if he had an epiphany, and decided that maybe doing evil was something he should stop doing, then the above statement becomes “non-operative.” I think the likelihood of that happening, however, is on a par with me waking up tomorrow with a full head of my own hair.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Maybe somebody like Ron White or Walton Goggins. Or, OMG, a woman.

    How ’bout Sissy Spacek?

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    Baud says:

    @Yarrow:

    Can we agree on a five second pitch? Doubt it.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    They passed out 28 billion dollars for that farmer bribe with little or no oversight. They spent so much it may exceed their capacity to borrow from that program, which has its own lending entity. I’m sure that was on the up and up.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    No more welfare for them.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Steeplejack: Yep, I think ol’ A.P. was more of a lyrics/melody scavenger and manager than anything else. The Carter women seemed to have all the musical talent. Anyhoo, it was a fascinating program, and I’m looking forward to the next installment!

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Is this a thing now? Friend bought a new car this week. Subaru Outback. Came with a feature which he was unaware of until he drove it, namely that if one comes to a complete stop for more than like a second, the engine shuts off and then turns back on when the brake pedal is released. Took me for a ride in it on the first day he had it – there is a definite small but noticeable lurch when the engine shuts itself off that way. That feature alone would drive me even more bonkers than am already.

    @NotMax: Yes, it’s a thing, every new car and rental I’ve driven in the last two years has it, and on the Subaru you can turn it off. Which I did to mine.

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    Kay says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Okay, but I don’t want anger at the Trumpsters to turn into “don’t bother trying anything” – I think that’s counterproductive.

    Trump DOESN’T think the corruption is good for him. If he did he wouldn’t be lying about it. You don’t need “Trump voters”. You need 50,000 people who do other things than follow politics to sporadically and unenthusiastically vote for the Democrat. They don’t have to love us.

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    Kay says:

    @rikyrah:

    I find it frustrating when Trump is as much as bellowing “THIS bothers and threatens me!” and there’s a whole host of Democrats who are like “it doesn’t matter- actually he LOVES to be called corrupt”. Take his word for it! It bothers him!

    Because he’s not popular or considered a decent person does not mean he doesn’t want to be. It just means he failed.

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    chris says:

    NC senator retires. With pics

    This is incredible: 1. North Carolina GOP Sen. Alexander walks into the redistricting room and discovers that his district has been made competitive. 2. He quietly slices up the district to cut out Democratic voters.3. He gets caught.4. He announces his retirement. https://t.co/dJRfuLhxGY— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) 16 September 2019

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    rikyrah says:

    @chris:
    BWA HA AH AH AHA HA HA HA

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    scav says:

    Quick OT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! because I have to walk the dog and Willow won’t understand (as she is a noce and kindly soul that just wants to waaalk,) Boris Johnson getting surgically stomped on by Luxembourg. Alley Xavier Bettel! Guard Live feed

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    Steeplejack says:

    @germy:

    Not dead Shelby Foote either!

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    prostratedragon says:

    @NotMax: Good morning again. Wouldn’t know, as I was in school around your time if not before, and have no kids to provide reference. We did learn something about Triangle in the Chicago Public Schools, along with learning about a couple of this city’s own fires that affected national fire codes.

    As this was the early 60s and blacklist snitches were still about, teachers kind of soft-pedalled the union angle, though they did mention it. My school was majority White in those days, mostly children or grandchildren of immigrants, whom they knew, and some were themselves immigrants. So the attitude toward that part of the story ran an interesting gamut from identification to shame and shame-casting.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @James E Powell:

    She might be good. I can hear, or almost hear, a voice in my head that would be perfect, but I can’t put a name or face to it. All I can see, God help me, is Rena Sofer, who I don’t think has a Southern accent at all.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Kay: Dunno. Donnie lies about everything – even stuff that is good news for him. See ddale8 on Twitter.

    Anything that muddies his story that he’s the greatest, smartest, most loved, richest, …, of all time he will fight. Or fight the people saying such things. He knows about the Big Lie. He’ll keep lying about The Swamp as he continues to try to steal everything that isn’t nailed down.

    He knows if people stop believing him then he’s doomed. That’s why he’ll keep up the lying – so that people just throw up their hands “Eh, they’re all corrupt – what are you gonna do. But Donnie wants to make MAGA while Democrats are for Open Borders so I have to vote for him….”

    Grrr…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Steeplejack: We enjoyed Rhiannon Giddens’ commentary in the first episode. I’ve been a fan of her music for a long time, so it’s cool to see her talk about its origins, etc. She’d be a good narrator, but she’s already a subject, so…

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    frosty says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I’ve been shutting the engine off to avoid idling since the gas crunch in ‘74. My peeve now is that my 2014 Mazda3 (manual) has decided that I’m not allowed to shut the engine off coasting downhill. I pushed my Miata to 40mpg a couple of times hypermiling like that. It helped that it didn’t have power steering. :-)

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I like Giddens a lot. Her comments were good.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    It’s more of a vodka vs. gin situation.

    Tasteless as opposed to terrible taste?

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    Anotherlurker. says:

    @Steeplejack: Morgan Freeman would be the perfect choice to narrate a doc on country music.

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    Anotherlurker. says:

    @Anotherlurker.: WTF is my comment awaiting moderation?

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    J R in WV says:

    My 2019 Mazda doesn’t shut down when stopped, for which I am thankful… when wife and I and two friends went to Tuscany, IT we rented a BMW suv, which barely had room for 4 adults and luggage for 2 women. It shut off at stop lights after just a few seconds. I didn’t care for it.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a switch somewhere to turn on that behavior, perhaps dealer mechanic only allowed to fool with it. I guess if gas goes up to Euro prices, like 3Euro liter prices, I might reconsider that position…

    Regarding the DeKalb statuary and new informational sign… there needs to be at least 4 signs on each side of every monument, so that the information can’t be avoided. Many years ago I attended my RWNJ brother’s wedding in Decatur. My best friend (and my bro’s best friend at the time) was best man, a big guy, V clean cut LT in law enforcement.

    He was sitting during rehearsal work with members of the church who just dropped in to pass time with wedding party folks. As part of the conversation, they asked Jim (not his real name) “How do you all discourage the black folk from attending your church up North?” Jim, being not at all racist, was horrified and taken aback… He fell back on “I’m sure I don’t know, I’m not part of the church’s administration!” which was true, but irrelevant, as no one ‘Up North” would do such a thing, so far as I, non-religious as far as organized church-going would know.

    Maybe the RWNJ patriarchal white evangelical churches would figure out a way if suddenly lots of black folks showed up. I can’t imagine a lot of black folks suddenly attending a RWNJ church, though…

    This wedding was probably 30 years ago, and things have obviously changed a lot in DeKalb county, mostly for the better. So I’m not putting down DeKalb county of today, just DeKalb county of my SIL’s time there.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Anotherlurker.:

    He would be good. The more I think about it, Peter Coyote is a bonehead choice. Nothing against him, just not a good fit.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Anotherlurker.:

    Is it because you inadvertently added a period to your nym?

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    SWMBO says:

    @Steeplejack: Holly Hunter? Emmy Lou Harris?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @SWMBO:

    Good choices. Although I think (hope) Harris will be in the doc at some point, so maybe that rules her out.

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    Richard Guhl says:

    @rikyrah:
    He should be tied to the lot of them.

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