Houston DNC Debate Open Thread

Maybe ABC is just worried about Andrew Yang’s teasing “something that’s never been done on a debate stage before”

From NYMag:

What Time are the Democratic Debates?
Hosted by Texas Southern University in Houston, the festivities will start at 8 p.m. and drag on until 11 p.m.

What Channel has the Democratic Debates?
The debates will be aired on ABC and Univision, though if you’re watching it online, free streams are available at ABCNews.com and FiveThirtyEight.

As of 6:15pm EDT, the Guardian — my personal go-to — live blog here.

ETA: YouTube’s ABC livestream is working well for me.






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    Raven says:

    The big question is wether to watch the Braves on the big tv and the debate on the iPad or versa visa!

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    Baud says:

    @Raven:

    The Dem field is large enough to field a team against the Braves.

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    Another Scott says:

    This could be very good – lots of important stuff is in the news.

    Will it be? Dunno…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Baud says:

    @Another Scott:

    It’ll be 60 minutes of Ed Rendellgate.

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    Another Scott says:

    Liz is the lady in red.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @Another Scott:

    Liz is the lady in red.

    The crow flies at midnight.

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    Another Scott says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I was going for Dillinger, myself.

    Hehe.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Is there no way to stream this? I thought someone would put up a link.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    On Her Majesty’s Secret Service.

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    Oh, they put the two old dudes together.

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    Baud says:

    Old ideas like Biden, amirite?

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    Another Scott says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/abc-news-democratic-debate/ (small window at the top right)

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    dmsilev says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: ABCNews.go.com has a stream.

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    Baud says:

    Amy going for the middle lane.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Diana Rigg is teh hawt

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    Mary G says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: ABC Live, which was full of errors, but I got it on plain old free YouTube.

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    Baud says:

    Beto was good.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Baud: Does she use her turn signals?

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    @dmsilev: Well, she’s not from Glendale, maybe.

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    Booker’s not impressing me.

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    Baud says:

    Yang has a fan club in the house.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    How’s Harris doing?

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    dmsilev says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: In Boston, using those signals is known as ‘giving information to the enemy’.

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    Baud says:

    Amy is giggling at the gimmick.

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    Baud says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Not up yet.

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    @SiubhanDuinne: For a different pundit take, you could follow the live blog on Wonkette.

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    dmsilev says:

    @zhena gogolia: Hasn’t made her statement yet.

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    Baud says:

    Not crazy about Pete’s opening.

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    Baud says:

    Harris up. Taking it to Trump.

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    @dmsilev: I’ve become convinced that luxury cars are not equipped with turn signals or bluetooth.

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    Another Scott says:

    Kamala’s bringing the hammer on Donnie.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Baud says:

    Harris gets a big cheer.

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    Baud says:

    Bernie’s a bit hoarse.

    Oligarchy!

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    dmsilev says:

    @Baud: There Will Be Tweets.

    (These comments brought to you courtesy of Delta airlines and a two hour delay flying out of Atlanta. Gaah. )

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Baud:

    Good. I wish I could stand to watch it. I’ll catch clips later.

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    Another Scott says:

    Bernie’s hoarse. “Millionaires and Billionaires” are back.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @Baud: That happens when you wake up from a nap.

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    I don’t want a president who shakes his finger at me, although he’s saying some of the right things.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I wish his alarm didn’t go off.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Baud: He’s got a frog bird in his throat.

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    Another Scott says:

    Warren has been listening to Kay and talked about families.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Another Scott says:

    Biden’s looking at notes. Not a good look that he needs notes for a one minute opening statement.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Baud says:

    George wants to start a fight.

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    @Baud: I think it did, they had to call on him twice.

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    Duane says:

    Senator Warren killed it in the opening. Positive, relatable, likable. She has an Aunt Bee. Well done.

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    Baud says:

    Good answer, Joe.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Bernie’s having trouble with his voice.

    Liz …. talking middle class, talking $50/semester college as a part time waitress. Being a mom and getting saved by an aunt who moved in. Predatory lenders, student debt, and she knows how to fix it!

    Joe … Jack Kennedy quote, then how he refuses to postpone. Sounds okay, but a little weird coming from such an old dude. Seems to have a lot of energy, tho’.

    Speaking of old, George S. looks older than me. Which is OLD.

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    @dmsilev:

    In Boston, using those signals is known as ‘giving information to the enemy’.

    This is the difference between East and West Coast traffic. Easterners think traffic is a conflict between man and man, while Westerners think traffic is a conflict between man and nature.

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    Baud says:

    @Baud:

    But then he lost it.

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    @Baud: George needs to be concise.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Another Scott:

    Warren has been listening to Kay and talked about families.

    I think that her statement and Biden’s were too narrow.

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    Haydnseek says:

    @Baud: I really like Warren at shortstop. She can really move to her left.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Baud: It’s the media’s Prime Directive.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Joe setting up Liz is with Bernie, he’s with Barack.

    Asshole.

    Screen is Joe flanked by Liz and Bernie … no one else in the picture.

    Now he sounds a little too eager, and not exactly sure of numbers.

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    jl says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I am very prejudiced but I think Warren’s statement has been the best so far. Biden just finished. Nice pep talk.

    Now Steph tees up an overly broad ‘let’s you and them fight’ question.
    Nice that Biden set stage of passing on direct attack. But Biden goes to directly to GOP talking points. How about let the corporate media ask ‘how do you pay for it?’
    I’ll listen to Biden on strengthening PPACA when he puts out more specific plans on how to do that.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @jl:

    Wonkette said Harris’s was best.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    Bernie is hoarse and very red

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    mad citizen says:

    @dmsilev: I’m at OHare, changed flights but still 3 hours behind original itinerary

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    jl says:

    Warren good at answering standard BS from corporate moderator, who finds wriggle room to throw out some misleading scare dollar numbers on health care.

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    hitchhiker says:

    George goes to Liz, who praises Obama.

    Says the question is, how to make it better … how to pay for it? RICH PEOPLE WILL PAY MORE.

    Middle class families will pay less.

    George wants to know if middle class taxes will go up, even if premiums go down … she addresses the total budget. Some people will pay more, but it won’t be the poor.

    Bernie now: hey Joe, we’re already paying more than we would for Medicare for all. Says “damn” and gets a laugh. Still having trouble with his voice.

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    Brachiator says:

    Bernie’s shit is old and stale.

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    Baud says:

    I wonder of Medicare for All will cover the eye that Bernie’s finger puts out.

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    Baud says:

    Sigh. The shouting has begun.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @zhena gogolia: are they live-blogging? I’m not watching either. Still too many dead-weight vanity candidates up there for me

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    dmsilev says:

    @mad citizen: I’d love to blame Atlanta, which is a horrible airport, but apparently the problem is an air-traffic control issue at LAX. Which is also a horrible airport.

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    Another Scott says:

    Warren’s answer about taxes for health care was good, but it’s a no-win. If she answers directly – “no taxes will not go up for middle-class people” – then George will find some economist who says she’s wrong. If she says “yes, taxes will go up because people will earn more under my other plans so while the tax rate will fall, some people will pay more in taxes because they make more” then they’ll find some other reason to attack her.

    So, her answer rejecting the premise was good.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    hitchhiker says:

    If I’m anybody not named Bernie, Joe, or Liz at this point I’m feeling despair. If they keep attacking each other, no one else will get a chance to talk.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yes, but they’re very, very slow.

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    Baud says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Republicans feel that way.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    Of course I’m prejudiced, but when talking about the costs of his health care plan — mostly by attacking ABC — he looks unhinged. Also, he keeps wagging his damn’ finger while others talk.

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    RAVEN says:

    @Baud: Fucker waved his goddamn finger in my face I’d shove it up his ass.

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    Baud says:

    Amy is doing good, even if you don’t agree with her.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @RAVEN: I’m not going there — I’d just shove it up his nose.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Anne Laurie: I’m listening to an audio-only feed, and he sounds a lot worse than he did four years ago. Less energy, less volume.

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    jl says:

    @zhena gogolia: Harris was good too.

    But I am most prejudiced for Warren, then Harris.
    I think Warren just did some great ‘greatexplainersplaining;

    Biden not impressive ‘This is America’ is not a good argument for paying more for health care than any other high income industrial country.

    And Klobuchar again seems to be the best centrist by being specific about how she would strengthen PPACA. Sorry Joe, pep talks only go so far.

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    Baud says:

    Don’t like Pete’s answer here.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Brachiator:
    Consider the source – that’s old and stale as well.

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    joel hanes says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Liz is the lady in red.

    The crow flies at midnight.

    The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true.

    This is no longer a time of waiting.
    Take this zircon to Foppa, and tell him we move *tonight*.

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    TOP123 says:

    Not sure what happens first; Sanders’s larynx explodes, or his righthand flies off into the audience

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    I wish they’d talk about something besides health care. We’ve heard this before.

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    mad citizen says:

    @dmsilev: ATL can be bad but not today. Earlier storms messed up OHare. At least I had time for Frontera eats.

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    Baud says:

    @TOP123:

    ¿Por que no los dos?

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    Baud says:

    Harris is going all out on Trump tonight.

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    Brachiator says:

    Harris. Yes. Point out Trump’s failures with respect to health care.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Baud:

    Isn’t that what they should all be doing?

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    Anne Laurie says:

    Kamala Harris opens by praising President Obama — good for her! — and also her fellow candidates (with a rimshot: “With credit to Senator Sanders — take credit, Bernie! — “)

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    ThresherK says:

    Amanda Marcotte tweeted:

    I swear, pundits are literally the only people who think that paying a dollar in taxes is somehow more expensive than paying two dollars to an insurance company.
    9 replies 341 retweets 721 likes

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Same old, same old. Harris is right- any Democrat would be better on healthcare than Trump. Let’s move on.

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    dmsilev says:

    @mad citizen: ATL was bad on my way in two days ago. Nothing quite like an aborting the landing about three seconds before touchdown, then doing ovals in the sky for a while, and finally the pilot getting on the PA and saying ‘well, we’ve got enough gas for about twenty more minutes, so we’re going to try to land again, and if that doesn’t work we’re heading for Chattanooga…’

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    Harris is going after Trump, I like it. She’s laying out the stakes in this election.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Baud: Pete’s rubbed me the wrong way tonight too. Lots of pretty words, but there’s no meat there. It all harkens back to some imaginary Norman Rockwell vision of America that isn’t the country we live in now.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    mad citizen says:

    Harris campaign is texting out debate updates, but the first they sent is about Medicare for all. Doesn’t jive with what the jackals say she is saying

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    Joe sounds like a Republican.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Harris has this drawly voice that’s a little strange at first — because, maybe, others sound so hurried and tense. But then it starts to feel better, like you can trust her.

    Joe and Bernie getting a little nasty right now.

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    Jay says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    And you are paying that dollar in taxes for medical care,

    The two dollars goes towards paying a Corporation to deny you medical care.

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    Jeffro says:

    Boy Biden and Sanders look and sound old and halting tonight

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    dmsilev says:

    Apparently shoutitis is an infectious condition among old white guys.

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    Baud says:

    @Jeffro:

    They really do.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @hitchhiker:

    That’s why I like her! Her voice is soothing! I could listen to her all day. Unlike ANY of the others.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Hey, you beat me to it! Good job.

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    Baud says:

    None of their plans cover your pets. Unlike mine.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Cameron Joseph @ cam_joseph
    AndrewYang officially announces a raffle for 10 families to get a freedom dividend. @PeteButtigieg barely stifling a laugh. “It’s original. I’ll give you that.”

    was that really it? I swear I heard him announce that on an NPR show– This American Life?– two months ago. And even then somebody pointed out the problems with campaign finance law

    @Baud: good on’er.

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    hitchhiker says:

    George gives a minute to the 3 who haven’t had a chance to talk yet.

    Castro is very good, imo.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: I remember reading some focus group and polling stuff that Democratic primary voters didn’t like candidates who directly attacked their opponents. Maybe the candidates saw that.

    Don’t like Biden at all tonight. He needs to cut the name calling and cheap attacks. I’m not a Bernie fan, but calling him a socialist is cheap BS. Democrats shouldn’t use cheap and misleading talking points and slogans.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    Now Joe’s shouting & wagging his finger at Bernie — who, of course, responds in kind.

    Joe looks a lot more vibrant & healthy than Mr. Hoarse Already, though.

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    Baud says:

    Castro doesn’t look good mean.

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    mad citizen says:

    @dmsilev: Dang! Glad that turned out OK. My only indignity Tuesday was having to connect at Geo. Bush in Houston, which I have to admit was nice and clean and seemed new.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Putting Diana Rigg and George Lazenby in the same scene is almost kind of cruel. It’s like having Ali fight Don Knotts.

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    Baud says:

    Asian joke!

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    hitchhiker says:

    Yang is now talking about how everybody hates primaries, and we have to stop fighting. Boy, does he sound juvenile and anxious to my old woman ears.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    Yang “I am Asian so I know a lot of doctors” WTF??

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    @Baud: No, but he was right. Biden did say buy in.

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    Jeffro says:

    WHOA Castro goes there – “did you (Biden) really just forget what you said two minutes ago?”

    Have at it pundits!

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    Baud says:

    I believe in Medicare for All Except Patriot Farmers.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Yeah, but leave it to tomorrow’s fact checkers.

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    jl says:

    @zhena gogolia: Hey, you are comparing Lazendy to Don Knotts. That is very unfair to Knotts. I’d rather see a scene with Diana Rigg and Don Knotts. Not sure what it should be, but a good writer could think up something.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Booker is appealing af. Voice, passion, intellect, warmth …

    We cannot sacrifice progress on the altar of purity.

    I bet he’s practiced that one a lot.

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    @Baud: They got their 28 Billion.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: I keep thinking when I see this, if he’s so tough and ambitious, why hasn’t he run for statewide office in Texas?

    @jl:

    I’m not a Bernie fan,

    geunine question: Didn’t you used to describe yourself as a “Bernie super donor” or something like that? I have trouble keeping track of nyms, but I thought you were for Bernie in the ’16 primary?

    but calling him a socialist is cheap BS

    um… it is?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @jl:

    “Nip it in the bud!”

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    Brachiator says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Putting Diana Rigg and George Lazenby in the same scene is almost kind of cruel. It’s like having Ali fight Don Knotts.

    Lazenby tried his best. Maybe he would have grown into the role of given a chance.

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    delk says:

    Popped into the living room where my husband is watching the debate. His take: Oh jeez… anybody other then Biden or Bernie. They are two old, white, flummoxing males.

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    Baud says:

    This is the first night I think Beto is doing better than Pete.

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    Jay says:

    I pay $9,000 per month for the cost of full-time care, @JoeBiden. I'm grateful for the Affordable Care Act, but the status quo is broken. We need #MedicareForAll.— Ady Barkan🔥🌹 (@AdyBarkan) September 13, 2019

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    Spanky says:

    @RAVEN: +1

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    hitchhiker says:

    Okay, Beto.

    Make it count.

    Wow, mentions 1619. Good job.

    Racism in schools, in maternity wards, in housing … REPARATIONS BILL.

    White supremacist in the white house.

    Damn.

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: jl’s grown in the past 3 years(in which direction, I won’t say).

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Brachiator:

    I know but Diana Rigg is a superlative actress so it’s just kind of comical to see them together.

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    Baud says:

    @delk:

    Good man.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: I like the Baud 2020! health care plan of ‘Hey, have a drink, lay down and take a nap, take a load off’.
    If I understand it correctly. Not sure how Baud 2020! will pay for it though, doesn’t have much walking around money.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Castro.

    That guy was trying to shoot people who look like me. Who look like my family.

    Refreshing to hear people openly talk about racism.

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    Baud says:

    @jl:

    Not sure how Baud 2020! will pay for it though,

    Volume.

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    @jl: You forgot that BaudCare covers your pets.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    Booker is doing very well, I think.

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    Booker’s doing well on criminal justice.

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    Mary G says:

    I think Julian going after Uncle Joe was a mistake. Uncle Joe had a bit too much coffee.

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    Baud says:

    @FelonyGovt:

    He was good in the last debate too.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Pete:

    Harms compound, in the same way that a dollar saved compounds.

    That’s a good line.

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    Mary G says:

    @FelonyGovt: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I agree on Booker. He’s really clear and sensible. But I realize that in every debate and then forget about him in between.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: I like Pete, but his first TV ad was fake soothing and really turned me off. What Pete has to offer is authenticity, and he’s clearly listening to the wrong people because he is not sounding authentic. Let Bartlett be Bartlett.

    I didn’t care for Kamala’s (sort of) stunt by talking directly to Donald Trump.

    I’m liking Beto tonight. He is also coming off as the most authentic with a vision tonight.

    Generally speaking, the moderators are asking terrible questions, which makes the debate pretty much worthless so far. I want one of these candidates to question the premise of these questions.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    So basically they aren’t giving Harris any time?

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    smintheus says:

    I’ve never watched most of these candidates speak for more than a few moments, but man some of them are obnoxious and smarmy. Buttigieg and Klobuchar (as well as Harris and several others) just joined a desperate Biden in taking pot shots at the Medicare for All plans of Warren and Sanders…and then moments later they start posturing about how it’s terrible that *some* candidates are taking pot shots at fellow Democrats?!

    This Medicare debate is frankly cheesy and makes most of them look pretty tawdry with their simplistic Republican talking point about “choice”. It’s simply a matter of economies of scale. They know perfectly well that a marginal expansion of Medicare will not produce savings to people and to medical providers remotely on the same scale as a total shift to single payer will. But their fricking biggest donors want to keep the for-profit insurance system in place, so they pretend that they’re deeply concerned about choice. Bleh.

    This has made me very keen to see the end of the campaigns of Klobuchar, Buttigieg (spit), Harris, Yang (double spit), and yes Biden can’t bow out too soon for my taste. You get no credit with me for pretending that issues at the core of a subject don’t exist, just for your personal gain in the polls.

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    RAVEN says:

    @zhena gogolia: She’s fun with her daughter in “The Detectorists?!

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @zhena gogolia: When they do ask her a question, it’s VERY antagonistic .

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    hitchhiker says:

    Harris getting called out for stuff she did as a prosecutor.

    Crowd cheers the question. (ugh)

    She calmly tells how she sees it, and why. Seems a bit more nervous here than before.

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    Mary G says:

    This:

    Regardless of who you support, there’s three women, two African-Americans, one Asian, one Latino, an openly gay veteran, a child of Indian and Jamaican immigrants, a Jewish guy, a vegan, and even a couple of straight, white guys on that stage. Like it or not, this is America. 🇺🇸— Ana Navarro-Cárdenas (@ananavarro) September 13, 2019

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    Spanky says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Putting Diana Rigg and George Lazenby in the same scene is almost kind of cruel. It’s like having Ali fight Don Knotts.

    Or Julia Child fight Mr. Rogers in Celebrity Boxing.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Putting Diana Rigg and George Lazenby in the same scene is almost kind of cruel. It’s like having Ali fight Don Knotts.

    I’m trying to picture somebody under 60 reading that line.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @FelonyGovt:

    Yang “I am Asian so I know a lot of doctors” WTF??

    It’s a joke I’ve heard from a lot of Asian-Americans (with similarly ambitious-for-them parents). As with African-Americans & That Word, I’m not going there, and I’d advise other melanin-challenged individuals to do likewise!

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    Baud says:

    @WaterGirl:

    What Pete has to offer is authenticity, and he’s clearly listening to the wrong people because he is not sounding authentic. Let Bartlett be Bartlett.

    That sounds right to me.

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    jl says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, I supported Bernie in the primary because Warren wasn’t running, but then donated and worked for Clinton. So, damn me to hell if you want. Probably going there anyway. And yes, I joked that i was a super donor after I gave my second 27 dollar contribution.

    And yes, I think Biden calling Sanders a ‘socialist’ is a cheap shot, and repeating a GOP talking point.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Spanky: Damn, did I miss Battle of the PBS Stars again?

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    hitchhiker says:

    Hard for me to listen to Klobuchar, mostly b/c I have the exact same voice as her.

    Midwestern accent, throat that tightens uncomfortably and sounds a little squeaky.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @smintheus:

    You really are not in touch with reality. People don’t want to hear that they’re going to lose private insurance.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Are there any people under 60 here?

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    Jay says:

    pic.twitter.com/OVP7voHBHu— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) September 10, 2019

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: He comes off as a dick.

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    Spanky says:

    @Mary G:

    I think Julian going after Uncle Joe was a mistake. Uncle Joe had a bit too much coffee.

    Oh great, now he has to pee! How much longer does he have to stand up there?

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    jl says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Still enough reruns that the damn kids these days more likely to know Andy Griffith Show and Get Smart than Diana Rigg.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    I had forgotten how worthless these debate formats are.

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    delk says:

    @zhena gogolia: <—— Just turned 57 last week. 😁

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    Ohio Mom says:

    I’m finding parts of this painful to watch — when they tear each other up over minutiae. “Your plan is opt in, my plan is opt out.”

    Every now and then someone says something reasonable and statesman-like. Those moments are reliefs. The debate format works against them occurring.

    I worry that the main thing these debates accomplish is providing Republicans with video clips they can use out of context.

    And what others have said about Biden and Bernie. They get older looking by the minute.

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    hitchhiker says:

    (fyi, I’m going to just keep listening to this and responding to the sound of them)

    Joe has a very soothing tenor, until he gets wound up and starts speaking in little phrases.

    Booker, by contrast, has a kind of nasal tone and a habit of over-articulating his words, like someone trying to make sure a lip reader could track.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @delk:

    Good for you!

    Ever heard of Don Knotts?

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    Another Scott says:

    Biden – “Nobody should be in jail for a non-violent crime.”

    Really? We’re going to let swindlers and cheats and people who violate the public trust just do community service or something?

    No.

    I agree he’s too caffeinated. He probably had some more qualifiers that he meant to say, but feels that he has to rush. He’s too coached.

    He needs to go home.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Castro could have made the comment once about Biden forgetting what he said 2 minutes ago. But he repeated it 3 times and that was a bad look. He looked like a bully.

    I imagine Castro feels like the debate tonight is his last chance to break out, which would be a lot of pressure.

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    Immanentize says:

    @jl:

    So, damn me to hell if you want.

    Seems beyond my pay grade.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Liz Warren hasn’t been asked anything for an eon.

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    chris says:

    @zhena gogolia:Had to google, I’d completely forgotten that movie.

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    Baud says:

    @hitchhiker:

    Noticed that.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @hitchhiker:

    This is how I experienced the Anita Hill hearings. We didn’t have a television and I listened to the whole thing.

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    Leto says:

    @zhena gogolia: *waves* Hey, how’s it going?

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    Baud says:

    Nice shout out to Beto.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    Yang “I am Asian so I know a lot of doctors” WTF??

    It’s a joke I’ve heard from a lot of Asian-Americans (with similarly ambitious-for-them parents).

    Asian Americans have Jewish mothers? Who knew?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Leto:

    Good for you!

    Ever heard of Don Knotts?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @zhena gogolia: You really are not in touch with reality. People don’t want to hear that they’re going to lose private insurance.

    and even if that weren’t true, and for the vast majority of people, it is, let’s go over this part again:
    Under the absolute best case damn near miracle scenario for Dems in 2020, Joe Manchin will have an effective veto over any health care bill that Chuck Schumer brings to the floor
    and even that is making a lot of assumptions about the House.

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    delk says:

    @zhena gogolia:Barney Fife

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    This is why I can’t watch these debates. WHO CARES ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THEIR HEALTH CARE PLANS WE ARE IN A STRUGGLE WITH FASCISM

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    Immanentize says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    I worry that the main thing these debates accomplish is providing Republicans with video clips

    That certainly wasn’t the 2016 reality.

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    Jay says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Funny thing is, you don’t “lose” private insurance, ( Employer or Employee paid),

    Instead, it covers foreign travel,
    Dental,
    health and wellness,
    Cosmetic surgury,
    Pharmacare,
    Etc.

    Those who can afford it or have Employer paid programs get “better care”,

    Those who can’t afford it don’t die slowly, bankrupt and living on the streets.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @zhena gogolia: THIS

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    RAVEN says:

    @zhena gogolia: In with the good and out with the bad. . .

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    Mary G says:

    Shut up, Joe.

    Beto’s shredding it on gun control.

    Did Liz Warren have to leave?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jay:

    I do not understand this comment.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Spanky:

    Or Julia Child fight Mr. Rogers in Celebrity Boxing.

    I would pay to see that.

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    Leto says:

    Beto: “Hell yes!” Close… so close.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @delk: The Incredible Mr Limpet and the Ghost and Mr Chicken
    (52, but the movie theatre in my little town–since turned into some kind of restaurant mini-mall– used to show those kind of movies for weekend matinees. Also, Elvis movies)

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    ksmiami says:

    @zhena gogolia: OMG yes – its an existential fight! act like it
    !

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    Jay says:

    @jl:

    Socialist ain’t the slur it once was. The Yutes look north and to Europe and say, “can I has some Socialism, please”.

    But it does have some Reichwing anti-semetic roots,….

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    FelonyGovt says:

    Good for Beto! Yes I would take away their weapons of war.

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    Baud says:

    This is a two hour debate, not three hours, right?

    Kudos to ABC for no commericals.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Beto on the AR-15.

    Hell yes, we’re going to take them.

    Big heartfelt cheer.

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    smintheus says:

    @zhena gogolia: Which is why explaining that they’ll be gaining both money and wider/easier access to doctors, hospitals, and medicines – as Warren and Sanders have done here – is exactly what leadership looks like. Repeating cheesy Republican talking points is not leadership.

    I’m so out of touch that I figured out many months ago what a phony Buttigieg is, while others here were drooling over him.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    Harris doing really well, IMO; she sounds relaxed and ‘in charge’ when the men on stage are shouting & wagging fingers at each other.

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    Martin says:

    @zhena gogolia: I’m only 50!

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    Anne Laurie says:

    Klobuchar attacking Mitch McConnell for blocking gun safety proposals — good for her!

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    Raven says:

    @smintheus: It’s all about you. . .

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    jl says:

    @Baud: hate to break this to you…. but I think it’s 3 hours. I got some busy work ready to do, so i’ll probably take some short, or maybe long, breaks, depending on how this thing develops.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Martin:

    Good for you! Ever heard of Don Knotts?

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    Immanentize says:

    My son says that Biden just needs to leave:
    “Biden is just there for the politically disengaged baby boomers.”
    Well said, Immp.
    He is a bit of the Yang Gang, although disappointed in his stunt tonight. But a BIG believer in UBI. AND although young, not a dummy.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I have some bad news for you.

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    delk says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: yeah, I was going to say Mr Limpet. It was a Family Classic with Frazier Thomas film. Sunday afternoon Chicago TV show.

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    Baud says:

    Booker is getting lost now.

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    smintheus says:

    @hitchhiker: ABC is corporate run. Corporate America is terrified that Warren is willing and able to bring them to heel.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Booker being challenged about guns now. Federal license to buy a gun???

    83% of Americans agree with licensing.

    Talks about witnessing the aftermath of a shooting in his neighborhood.

    This is a crisis of empathy in our nation.

    Says it’s pathetic that we have to wait for it to happen to us personally.

    Still over-articulating like mad.

    And now he gets a follow up … I want to hear from LIz!

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    joel hanes says:

    @delk:

    Barney Fife

    The Incredible Mr. Limpet

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    Mandalay says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    WHO CARES ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THEIR HEALTH CARE PLANS

    Millions of voters care a hell of a lot about health care coverage, especially those who can’t afford it.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Mandalay:

    You’re willfully misunderstanding me.

    It’s a given that any one of them would be a million times better than Drumpf on health care. The details are insignificant at this point.

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    Another Scott says:

    Warren says the filibuster has to go to get anything done on gun violence. Yup.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Finally, a question for Liz.

    What can you get done on gun control?

    She reframes the issue away from mass shootings and toward DV and suicide.

    The question we need to ask is about corruption. We have a congress that is beholden to the gun industry.

    We’re going to have to roll back the filibuster.
    (No cheers on that, surprising …)

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    Baud says:

    Sanders is going full incoherent here.

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    jl says:

    @hitchhiker: Warren knows how to make up for lost time. Memorable answer, IMHO.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @delk: It was a Family Classic with Frazier Thomas film. Sunday afternoon Chicago TV show.

    Oh man, another flashback! In my memory, they showed the Gregory Peck Moby DIck about once a month

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    hitchhiker says:

    To Bernie, who really does sound awful. Now not just like he’s got a throat problem, but like he’s got a mouth full of marbles.

    What we are looking at is a corrupt political system.

    True that.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Raven: the correct answer is watch the Braves on the big screen and read about the debate on B-J.

    @Baud: I’ve been in southeast Texas all week and haven’t heard word one about this debate. I think the DNC’s failure to include you has had real consequences. On the other hand, I have heard much discussion about high school football.

    Flying into Houston on Monday, the pilot announced our arrival into “Houston Intercontinental” rather than “George Bush”. I gave him five stars on Yelp and left a 25% tip.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I swear, pundits are literally the only people who think that paying a dollar in taxes is somehow more expensive than paying two dollars to an insurance company.

    I’d love to see this issue discussed more frequently. Somehow paying $1 in taxes is something framed as unacceptable but paying $200 to a health insurance company is just fine. It’s stupid. I like Warren talking about total costs.

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    smintheus says:

    @Raven: Yes, my comments are all about my impressions of these candidates. You’re speaking for whom?

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    jl says:

    @Baud: Just a little wobbly getting to his canned tape loop pitch.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: Did they ask him how he was going to get his legislation past McConnell, or what laws he would use to break up the big banks?

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    mad citizen says:

    @Anne Laurie: Good to hear! When their campaign texted me yesterday to wish her good luck, I did that and added that she should stop saying “I’m gonna tell you.”

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    Jeffro says:

    Barring someone having a stroke here or in the next few months…no reason to expect this field will winnow much. Meaning we keep limping along until some of the candidates run out of funding, staff, etc.

    So…who goes to the low performers and starts making a deal? Who’s got it in her/him?

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    Leto says:

    @zhena gogolia: Considering the “youngin’s” probably know his work from both Scooby Doo and Robot Chicken (ever heard of that?), asking people if they’ve heard of one of the most famous ventriloquist performers is a bit silly.

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    Immanentize says:

    Why do they keep asking Old Joe all the questions?

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    Martin says:

    @zhena gogolia: Of course. See, my generation still had limited TV options so there were plenty of Andy Griffith reruns to watch. Plus, Three’s Company was right in my demographic, Herbie, etc. Plus, he did a zillion guest star roles on Scooby Doo and Muppets and Fantasy Island or Love Boat or whatever. He was all over TV when I was a kid.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Baud:

    Bernie’s a bit hoarse.

    He’s shouted himself hoarse already?

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    Jay says:

    @Jay:

    I’m Canadian.

    All my basic/emergency medical care needs are met with the BC Medicare program.

    Everything else, from travel, to dental, to hot stone massages are covered by Private Insurance programs that range from basics that cover gaps, ( ambulance, wheel chair rentals) all the way up to Gold Plated Programs that will fly me out to India next week for a new liver or to New York for rare cancer treatment.

    So, when like last year, I ran a 1/2 router bit over my left hand on a job site, BC Medicare paid for stitching up the gas, bones, torn tendons.

    Canadian Life picked up the costs of the pain meds, the physio, the specialist repair surgury in Seattle and topped my income up from what WCIB was giving me, because for a while there, I couldn’t work.

    When basic medical care becomes a right, rather than a privledge, the Insurance Companies will shift markets to provide more than just basic care, for those that can afford it.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    No. They just gave him some warm milk and moved on.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Ramos challenges Biden on the border wall ….

    Did you and Obama make a mistake on deportations?

    How dare you compare me and Obama to Trump?! (Names some obvious differences).

    He sounds about 10 yrs younger than Bernie tonight. More energy. More clarity.

    Won’t answer Ramos about whether they made a mistake.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Leto:

    I was accused of writing a comment that would be incomprehensible to anyone under 60. Just checking.

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    Mandalay says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    The details are insignificant at this point.

    Bullshit. Let me takes a wild guess: you have good healthcare insurance.

    Millions don’t, and they really care about that. No issue is more important to many than healthcare. Don’t dismiss that as irrelevant just because you have your own soapbox issue.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jay:

    Okay, now I get it. Sounds great.

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    hitchhiker says:

    Castro: Donald trump has a dark heart when it comes to immigrants.

    Oy, now he’s smacking Joe around for claiming Obama’s good stuff and refusing to take responsibility for the not so good.

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    WaterGirl says:

    I may scream if I hear one more clearly canned line. Several candidates are doing it, but the worst is Klobuchar. Even Kamala is doing it.

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    @zhena gogolia: Yes, barely(60 in January).

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Mandalay:

    Wow. My soapbox issue is getting rid of Trump. If we don’t do that, everyone can kiss their healthcare goodbye, no matter how good or bad it is. Why are you so obtuse?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mandalay: Any person on that stage has a plan that is better than the status quo. The rest is commentary.

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    Immanentize says:

    @mrmoshpotato:
    Glue factory for him

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    hitchhiker says:

    Joe’s mad at Castro now.

    Liz gets a question abou thow to deal with the millions of immigrants here without documents. And how about asylum seekers.

    She says very slowly and carefully that she wants a path to citizenship that’s fair and achievable. Says the current system is not keeping us safer and not serving our values.

    Talks about the need to go back to aid for Central America.

    Calls out trump for creating the mess and trying to profit from it politically.

    Pretty good answer.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    Also, he keeps wagging his damn’ finger while others talk.

    Oh FFS!

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    hitchhiker says:

    Yang: my father grew up on a peanut farm in Asia with no floor ….

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    WaterGirl says:

    It is a 3-hour debate. Do they get a potty break or are they all wearing diapers?

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    Leto says:

    @zhena gogolia: The only person here who I might question if they know who Don Knotts was, is Goku. I think he’s like 12. Also his user name assures me he’s 12 :P

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    Martin says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Not only that, but this is a one significant figure argument at this point. You’re establishing the goals, but the mechanism to get to those goals can’t even be discussed until the political landscape is determined. It’s fine to put broad ideas out there (cover everyone vs cover more people, public vs private, etc) but past that nobody has any real say. At best we’re identifying intent and outcomes and that’s about it. Once established, move on to other issues.

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @Mandalay:changing healthcare in this country is going to be a heavy lift no matter what happens in the 2020 election. I would feel more comfortable with ANY of the people on that stage as President- even, heaven forbid, Yang or Bernie- than what we have now, to protect our health care.

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    Leto says:

    @hitchhiker: I see Breitbart spinning up this story: ANDREW YANG IS JIMMY CARTER’S SECRET ASIAN NORTH VIETNAMESE LOVE CHILD!!!!

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    @Brachiator:

    Asian Americans have Jewish mothers?

    No, but they’re closely related.

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    Geoduck says:

    @zhena gogolia: So, the candidates need to stand around for three hours all agreeing with each other that the Tangerine Shiatgibbon is in fact bad?

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    Baud says:

    I’ve very happy with the progress of my Spanish comprehension.

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    Baud says:

    Pee break.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Geoduck:

    that would be better than having them bickering over details of plans.

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    smintheus says:

    @Jay: Yes, that’s obvious. The same is true in Britain with the NHS; private medical insurance continues to exist. All the people on stage pretending to be horrified that Medicare for All will eliminate the ability of private insurers to offer people insurance, are just looking to stir up mud to confuse voters about what the single-payer backers are proposing.

    And Buttigieg should stop trying to impress us with his broken Spanish.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Leto: Hey, that’s not fair. Goku is working his way through nursing school. He’s somewhere in his twenties.

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    Leto says:

    @Baud: E-vape if you gottem!

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    Aleta says:

    I must be tired. One or two of these candidates are making me daydream about how much I love dogs.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Leto: It wasn’t the Don Knotts reference so much as the Diana Rigg and George Lazenby reference that I was questioning.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Geoduck: Right. Suggesting that we don’t get lost in the weeds of minor policy differences is not the same as saying that everyone should just sing kumbaya.

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    TOP123 says:

    Oh lord, an ad for a student loan company promising to make you debt free and not owe anybody any money… today! The word “refinance” is saved to the end.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Diana Rigg’s in GoT, for God’s sake!

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @TOP123: “Eliminate your debts to everyone other than us!”

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    Another Scott says:

    They’re taking a break.

    I’m liking this one better than the previous two.

    Castro’s being hard on Joe, but frankly he needs to be able to show he can take it if he wants to be the front-runner. I like many of Castro’s proposals, but his approach tonight is high risk. You know that the tone police in the press are going to go after him tomorrow.

    Beto’s been good.

    Harris has been good, but a couple of times she went into “memorized heartwarming anecdote” mode.

    Booker’s good, but goes philosophical a bit too much for my taste.

    Warren has been the best at cutting through the political formulas and reducing the issues to what really matters to people.

    The format is making lots of the people look like they’re old and hard of hearing though. The acoustics must be terrible.

    IMHO, of course.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: My 17 y/o nephew has seen and liked “On Her Majesty’s Secret Service.”

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    Leto says:

    @Ohio Mom: While I was in the hospital, I had residents and nursing school students tending to me. I swear to dog, they all looked 12.

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    I see everybody coming back on stage, except for Joe and Bernie.

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    Immanentize says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: no, but Jewish mothers sometimes have Asian children who are then, lawfully, Jewish.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Still in the men’s?

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @zhena gogolia: “This never happened to the other guy!”

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Yes, good line.

    I see that their strategy in this film is to have Diana Rigg disappear for much of the movie so we don’t have to see her juxtaposed to Lazenby.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: es bueno, cabron!

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    @zhena gogolia: Or lost their way back to the stage.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Leto:
    Agist. They were at least 14!!!

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    chris says:

    Oy.

    BREAKING: Preliminary results of the Air Force’s review of its use of Trump Turnberry shows that the service has lodged crews at the resort up to 40 times since 2015, a figure far higher than previously known. https://t.co/Az4uS9BJoh— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) 13 September 2019

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    Another Scott says:

    Yang is going on about his CEO friend complaining about pirated software on Chinese companies’ computers. “To the tune of thousands of dollars per computer.”

    Grrr.

    Some Chinese company isn’t going to spend millions on US software if they’re caught pirating, they’ll just use something else. Those aren’t lost sales. Arguments like Yangs drive me nuts…

    Sure, software piracy is a problem. But software companies don’t lose money on every pirated copy because people aren’t going to replace something “free” with something that costs thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a seat. It doesn’t work that way.

    Don’t insult our intelligence, Andrew.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jay says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Because the “Medicare for All” Reichwing framing is “we can’t afford that” or “people like their insurance, ( they don’t)” to keep telling Americans what they cannot do,

    And yet, y’all can afford 17+ wars of choice, some over 30 years ongoing with nobody asking “how can we afford to pay for that”.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    New thread up.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Leto: to be fair, the rest of us may be much older in years, but we are not much more mature

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    Immanentize says:

    Koblachar brings the hand chop.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I’m trying to picture somebody under 60 reading that line

    Try no longer.

    What the hell are you guys talking about? :)

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    Leto says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Oh, I know. Personally I like OHMSS, but I know I’m an outlier.

    @zhena gogolia: Yes, but they know her as Olana while most of the board here knows her from The Avengers. And if you ask the youngs about The Avengers, they’ll talk about the MCU.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jay:

    We have to win this election first.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Leto:

    Right!

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    206inKY says:

    @hitchhiker: That was a stellar answer from Beto. It seems like Warren and Beto are clearly rising above the crowd. They are the only two “high road” candidates speaking directly to the issues instead of tearing others down. A Warren/Beto ticket is looking good to me.

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    chris says:

    Help, please. Stuck in moderation for…

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    Leto says:

    @Immanentize: 😜 Hope you and the Immp are doing well.

    @Steve in the ATL: It’s why I keep coming back…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @zhena gogolia: Her screen time in the movie closely parallels her character’s presence in the book.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Leto:
    We are percolatin’
    And we hope you are as well?

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    @chris: You know what you did.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Another Scott:

    Biden – “Nobody should be in jail for a non-violent crime.”

    So Paulie Walnuts is free to go? I guess we can’t even try Dump in court then.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    New thread up top, if you wanna follow the crowd…

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    JR says:

    @jl: Diana Rigg was a major cast member in Game of Thrones. People know who she is.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    if you wanna follow the crowd

    Not a BJ strong suit.

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    Jay says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Giving people a reason to vote, is important.

    Meh, vs. Better.

    The “hi, vote for us and if you get sick, you won’t die, broke in an alley homeless, with your family burdened with unpayable debts”, is a marketing tool.

    People see a infected cyst every day, nuclear war, not so much.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Immanentize: Many will now stay here on principle.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @JR: 80-year-old Diana Rigg is not 30-year-old Diana Rigg.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Immanentize:
    Go Little Imma👏👏

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Jay:

    And yet, y’all can afford 17+ wars of choice, some over 30 years ongoing with nobody asking “how can we afford to pay for that”.

    There’s always money for bombs in the banana shack.

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    J R in WV says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Are there any people under 60 here?

    I was under 60, lessee, … 8 years ago?!?

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