Election 2020 Open Thread: New Hampshire’s ‘Cattle Call’ Weekend

Or, as I think of it, that proud folkloric tradition, the Running of the Journos…

With 19 presidential candidates speaking during the proceedings — which did not include the usual rule setting by delegates, which was suspended until another quorum — a few contenders’ names came up more frequently than others.

The top three candidates for Keene Democratic organizer JoAnn Fenton, for example, overlapped with the preferences of other local attendees who have yet to endorse: U.S. Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris.

Booker and Warren, in particular, were favorites among the Monadnock Region die-hards in attendance, with organizers like Fenton citing their strong ground game and close attention paid to local Democrats.

Fenton, who said she is not ready to endorse anyone yet, quipped that she faces a new conundrum, given the size of the field.

“I have never had this problem before,” Fenton chuckled. “I have always known who I was voting for, and it’s such a dilemma because they’re all so good.”…

Jennifer Rubin, in the Washington Post: “In New Hampshire, Trump drives turnout — for Democrats”

MANCHESTER, N.H. — If, as billed, New Hampshire’s Democratic state convention had its largest turnout ever this year, then the party surely has President Trump to thank. Kicking off the proceeding on Saturday morning, Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez quoted Trump’s galling assertion that “you have no choice but to vote for me.” He brought the crowd to its feet when he retorted, “We’ve got no choice but to get his ass out of the White House!” It was that kind of day.

A close second in the villain department was Majority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), whose name evoked boos whenever mentioned, as if he were the crowd’s Haman, the villain who is ritually denounced at Jewish Purim celebrations. “Moscow Mitch” chanting broke out in the midst of Rep. Chris Pappas’s (D-N.H.) speech, to Pappas’s delight. “You know he hates that,” he said with a grin.

Outside, throngs of supporters filled the sidewalk and the plaza in front of the Southern New Hampshire University Arena, waving signs, chanting for their candidate and donning their campaign’s T-shirt. Supporters of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) outnumbered other camps — by a lot.

As enthusiastic as some Democrats are for their particular candidate, the message inside was “unity.” Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), who faces a tough reelection campaign, drew a sustained ovation when she exhorted the crowd to support whoever the nominee might be. That theme was repeated throughout the day. Whether that spirit survives next week’s debate is an open question…

(Worth reading the whole thing; she writes approvingly about Booker, Buttigieg, Harris, and Klobuchar.. )







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    Baud says:

    the message inside was “unity.”

    That’s nice, but what if our nominee has policy ideas, a political strategy, or an affect that does not line up perfectly with mine?

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Baud: Then you vote for Jill Stein, obvsly.

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    caphilldcne says:

    @Baud: you vote for her anyway and then go lobby the hell out of her to adopt your platform. Like we do every election.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I still want a Warren/Harris ticket … unless Harris agrees to become Attorney General and take on the job of cleaning out the Augean Stables that Trump has turned the DOJ into.

    There is NOT A SINGLE CHANCE IN HELL that CA would return anything other than a Democrat for Harris’s Senate seat, so don’t @ me, concern trolls.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @caphilldcne:

    Some people refuse to take “yes” for an answer, as we saw in 2016.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Baud:

    That’s nice, but what if our nominee has policy ideas, a political strategy, or an affect that does not line up perfectly with mine?

    Then you spend the entire campaign cycle complaining that the process was rigged against your candidate and that you can never vote for the Democratic nominee, but that no one can say you are helping to re-elect Trump because it’s all Nancy Pelosi’s fault.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    Decent amount of voter jitters about Biden (age) and Warren (electability), esp from Sanders supporters

    It’s really rather astounding that Sanders people find it self-evident that Sanders has neither of these problems.

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    caphilldcne says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: just to be clear (due to O Felix’s evil, funny and interposed snark) – “her” the candidate! Not “her” the Russian stooge! Jeez!!

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    James E Powell says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Having either Warren or Harris as VP would be a waste of talent.

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    caphilldcne says:

    @Mnemosyne: I know. It’s very discouraging. But we can do it!

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    Brachiator says:

    Solid moment for teams @ewarren and @kamalaharris yeaterday. One reminder (of many) that for all the horse race coverage that doesn’t matter, millions are fighting for overlapping goals.

    Very cool to be reading about the enthusiasm and high turnouts.

    The two news narratives that I will never care about are “horse race coverage” and “electability.”

    ETA. I hear that there will be 11 candidates and so two nights for the next debate. Overall, isn’t this a good thing?

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    James E Powell says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    It’s really rather astounding that Sanders people find it self-evident that Sanders has neither of these problems.

    It’s also astounding that the reporters who heard those concerns didn’t fire that right back at them.

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    SFAW says:

    @Baud:

    That’s nice, but what if our nominee has policy ideas, a political strategy, or an affect that does not line up perfectly with mine?

    You left out the “she.”

    Unless it’s a “he,” then you vote for him, because he won’t be over-prepared, or shrill/strident, or something.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @James E Powell:

    That’s why I like Harris as a potential crusading Attorney General getting rid of all of the Trumpers that are going to try and burrow in at the DOJ.

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    Baud says:

    @Brachiator:

    No. With so many candidates, the media can’t cover them all close to equally so they focus on the top three. If we had 5 or 6 candidates, we’d probably get more even handed coverage and a better debate. It is what it is though.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Mnemosyne: I think she’d be better as AG than VP, so if anyone asked my opinion (narrator: “nobody is going to ask”), that’d be my choice. But yeah, it’s real hard to see the California GOP coming up with a viable candidate to replace her.

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    SFAW says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    That’s why I like Harris as a potential crusading Attorney General getting rid of all of the Trumpers that are going to try and burrow in at the DOJ.

    I’d also like to see her use all the DoJ resources to investigate certain Traitor Turtles for treason (etc.) and certain beer-loving, rapey Justices for for rape (etc.)

    For starters.

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    Jeffro says:

    It’s interesting that there seems to be a significant drop-off in GOP commentary (and ‘both sides’ media parroting of same) regarding this Dem field.

    – it’s winnowing on its own
    – Dems are very much united on the issues and VERY much just want to kick trumpov’s ass to the curb
    – they’re talking serious policy AND many are showing great, sunny personalities
    – they’re almost all showing signs of supporting the eventual nominee quite enthusiastically
    – they’re all talking about gun reform without fear of upsetting the blessed NRA
    – they all basically call trumpov a threat to the nation, both in terms of his rhetoric and his actual security risk due to Russia

    It’s GREAT

    I think we also have less to fear from Sanders and Gabbard acting out down the road than we think.

    I’ll save some other thoughts for later

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    JPL says:

    I’m not paying as close attention as I did in the past. My primary is after super Tuesday and towards the end of the month of March so if Super Tuesday doesn’t determine the nominee, I’ll pay more attention. . Early on I was an avid Harris fan and I still admire her, but that is not important. Our nominee must win.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Jeffro: I’m not worried about Gabbard (or Williamson). They’re at one or two percent in the polls, and aren’t going to be at the debate this week. Probably not the October debate either. Sanders, on the other hand… If he does the same sort of sore-loser routine as last time, that potentially could be a problem. Hopefully not, but I guess time will tell.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @dmsilev:
    @SFAW:

    I do think that either Warren or Harris would need a female VP. I think that in an election that swung by tiny percentages in just the right (purple) states that having Hillary be the “boss” of a man swung a few votes. Probably not more than a few thousand, but every vote counted that year even more than usual.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    NH is big enough for even one cow?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @FlipYrWhig: It’s really rather astounding that Sanders people find it self-evident that Sanders has neither of these problems.

    They think twitter is an accurate reflection of the electorate. Sometimes I worry that belief is even more widespread than that

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    but what if our nominee has policy ideas, a political strategy, or an affect that does not line up perfectly with mine?

    Then you compromise by getting new ideals. //

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    dmsilev says:

    @Mnemosyne: Honestly, I’m not sure any VP in recent memory has swung a measurable number of votes, for or against. Maybe Palin drove some people away from McCain.

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    LivinginExile says:

    Wouldn’t Warren be a great Senate majority leader? A guy can dream.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    unless Harris agrees to become Attorney General and take on the job of cleaning out the Augean Stables that Trump has turned the DOJ into.

    There is no need to insult the Augeans.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    So reportedly the president, in NC for a rally, said that there were people in line for it, standing outside, soaking wet. It has not rained today in Fayetteville.

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    @Gin & Tonic: I’m sure it’s still raining in Alabama.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @dmsilev:

    IIRC, it’s documented that Palin drove voters towards Obama in 2008.

    Like I said, I doubt that it would have been a measurable effect any other year, but 2016 was insane on so many levels and there was a huge amount of microtargeting by the Republicans and Russians. That was the whole point of Cambridge Analytica — to find small numbers of voters whose votes could be changed or suppressed based on extremely specific criteria.

    Any other year, it would have been just noise.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Next week it’ll be “did you see? They were fighting, FIGHTING to get in and adore me! I had to walk out there and part the crowd myself and tell them, ‘I know you love me…but be good to each other.’ “. Sort of a Psycho Jesus kind of thing.

    He really does think these crowds ‘love’ him and unfortunately, it probably is the closest thing he ever has gotten to unconditional love in his life. Thanks Fred Trump!

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    TenguPhule says:

    The Commerce Department’s inspector general is now looking int a statement NOAA put out last week in the midst of a controversy over President Trump’s hurricane tweet, the New York Times is reporting.

    Earlier, the Commerce Department made a statement denying that commerce secretary Wilbur Ross threatened to fire NOAA officials, as the Times had reported.

    I can’t muster up enough energy to care anymore because there are never any real consequences for these assholes under the current institutions.

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    SFAW says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    I understand your point, but the flip side to that is “Two women! They really need at least one man there, for when Crisis X needs someone strong” or something similar to that.

    One would hope that, in 2020, that shit didn’t exist any more. But I think 2016 demonstrated that it does.

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    TenguPhule says:

    “I took my own advice,” Trump said of scrapping the secret plan. “We had a meeting scheduled. It was my idea, and it was my idea to terminate it. I didn’t even … I didn’t discuss it with anybody else.”

    Who had “started talking to himself” on their insane tyrant bingo card?

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Earlier, the Commerce Department made a statement denying that commerce secretary Wilbur Ross threatened to fire NOAA officials, as the Times had reported.

    Wilbur Ross lying? Unpossible!

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    JPL says:

    @TenguPhule: Good news then, it will be off the news tomorrow. There’s always going to be something more egregious tomorrow.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mnemosyne: Or potentially, maybe, to have small numbers of infrequent R voters’ votes added in here and there electronically (unless that’s what you mean by ‘could be changed’)

    I mean, if George Smith from Rural County, Michigan hasn’t already voted by 4pm on Election Day…why…(click)…now he has..

    we’ve seen how insecure these machines have proven to be. Just saying.

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    satby says:

    Not NH, but the odious Dan Lipinski has a good opponent in the D primary that Warren just endorsed. So hoping this is finally when he gets kicked to the curb.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @SFAW:

    But I think 2016 demonstrated that it does.

    2016 demonstrated that half of the electorate lost its collective brain. After the past 2.5 years, many would see 2 women candidates as the best thing that could ever happen to the USA – sanity, the ability to multi task and no golf.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @JPL:

    There’s always going to be something more egregious tomorrow.

    I have “Trump launches attack on another country on 9/11” on my Bingo card. It was the stupidest thing I could think of after “Brings Taliban into USA on 9/11”

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    TenguPhule says:

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    · 5h
    A lot of Fake News is being reported that I overruled the VP and various advisers on a potential Camp David meeting with the Taliban. This Story is False! I always think it is good to meet and talk, but in this case I decided not to. The Dishonest Media likes to create…

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    …the look of turmoil in the White House, of which there is none. I view much of the media as simply an arm of the Democrat Party. They are corrupt, and they are extremely upset at how well our Country is doing under MY Leadership, including…

    30.4K
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    @realDonaldTrump
    …the Economy, where there is NO Recession, much to the regret of the LameStream Media! They are working overtime to help the Democrats win in 2020, but that will NEVER HAPPEN, Americans are too smart!

    30.8K
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    Okay this has to be approaching peak crazy.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    It’s really rather astounding that Sanders people find it self-evident that Sanders has neither of these problems.

    It’s a cult. Their St. Wilmer is older than both Biden and Warren, and I don’t know what the fuck “electability” even means.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @SFAW:

    Eh, I’m mostly spitballing. There’s not much else going on.

    @Jeffro:

    I’m still suspicious that Jill Stein did so much better in Michigan than she did in any other state. And that she then went to “investigate,” i.e. help MI Republicans cover up the vote-switching.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    from trump’s NC-9 (?) rally

    Anthony Zurcher @ awzurcher
    Diamond and Silk, on the other hand, got cheers.

    Joe Bruno @ JoeBrunoWSOC9
    People are booing after Senator Thom Tillis was announced on stage

    ETA:

    @ JoeBrunoWSOC9
    Kimberly Guilfoyle calls Dan McCready a “socialist wannabe” and “very low energy.” She says McCready wants nothing more than to “frolic in the swamp with his gal pals the Squad” #NC09

    Christ, I just sent McCready $25 bucks and now I’m tempted to do it again,

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: There’s a fucking sharknadoicanequake in Alabama!

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    @Mnemosyne: @SFAW: It’s a hard calculation to make, for sure. There is certainly a number of fringe types that you’ll lose either way.
    I’m glad I don’t have to make the call.

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    M31 says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Okay this has to be approaching peak crazy.

    I wish I shared your optimism.

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    Jeffro says:

    @TenguPhule: Oh, if only.

    Trumpov’s the only guy who watched Baghdad Bob lo those many years ago and thought to himself, “he’s just not dreaming BIG ENOUGH”.

    Trumpov Bob: “Tank columns heading for our capital? Americans right around the corner? Are you kidding? Iraq has actually just captured most of South America plus the Golden Gate Bridge, all with a corporal and three privates who were already on leave (and half drunk at that).”

    Wait until the impeachment hearings begin…he’ll be tweeting so often and so stupidly that I don’t even have a bad metaphor for it yet.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @satby: If I lived in the 3rd district, I would’ve voted for Newman. She’s trying to primary Lipinski again. Good on her.

    We’ll have to see if a Nazi gets enough signatures again to get on the Republican ticket next year. (And then the Nazi trash will get 57885 votes again.)

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @M31: You planned but unbuilt motorway in England. :)

    Yeah – ‘peak crazy’ with these bastards. Ha ha ha.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mnemosyne: Oh totally (re: Stein)…and her ‘recount’ effort helped muddy the waters/defuse efforts to figure out what really happened, not just in MIchigan but also WI and PA I believe.

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    @M31: You were pictured on the Astronomy Pic of the Day today. And what’s with you and M33? I got a pic of you two the other night.

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    @Mnemosyne: That’s Dr. Jill Stein to you.

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    Richard Guhl says:

    Policy proposals might tickle our fancy, but the reality is Congress makes the laws, which means the best candidate is the one who can make nice with Joe Manchin.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Jeffro: And she ran off with millions from the recount crowdfunding as well.

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    satby says:

    @mrmoshpotato: I doubt that with Lightfoot as mayor Lipinski will get the regular local Democratic backing he’s accustomed to. He’s been hated in my (former) neck of the woods for a decade, but too many opponents in the primaries always split the vote against him. High hopes she prevails against him this time.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Jeffro: MI in ’16 sets off my inner conspiracy theorist. Not just Stein but IIRC tens of thousands of presidential lines left blank?

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    Mary G says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I can’t find it now, but they said he had to cancel touring the hurricane damage, and a bolt of lightning struck just behind AF1. So there was bad weather somewhere, and like Alabamagate, details don’t matter.

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    Jay says:

    We don’t deserve dogs:

    Wr don't deserve dogs. pic.twitter.com/70t7RNM60Y— Akki (@akkitwts) September 8, 2019

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    Brachiator says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I have “Trump launches attack on another country on 9/11” on my Bingo card. It was the stupidest thing I could think of after “Brings Taliban into USA on 9/11”

    Oddly enough, I think that Trump would be hesitant about deliberately starting a war. Prior to this Taliban announcement, there were stories about Trump cooling on Bolton and other hawkish advisors.

    And it’s clear that Trump is scrambling to make good on various promises and semi-promises to burnish his re-election bona fides. He’s hot to show how much he (and only he) has accomplished. And one big accomplishment would be to finally remove all, or most, troops from Afghanistan.

    Bringing the Taliban to the USA would have been great had it worked out. Despite all the talk about people working on this deal for a year, I think that Trump, being incompetent, did not listen to his best foreign policy advisors. He was hot to have a big reality show type surprise announcement. But he is incapable of weighing advice and only wants to hear shit that will make him look good.

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    JPL says:

    @TenguPhule: Well I bet that you didn’t have trump speaking about his hair being better than most his age tonight. It’s really nice hair and the best hair that money can buy.

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    satby says:

    @mrmoshpotato: one of those voters was a very dear friend of mine who is the extreme low info voter. She told me later she wouldn’t vote for the Republican but didn’t like Richy Rich Pritzker, didn’t like that one candidate had changed his name legally (noted on the ballot, she thought that meant something shady), so she voted for the other no name guy knowing she was throwing that vote away. She was pretty embarrassed when I told her that she voted for the Nazi. Her husband, a reliable Democratic union guy, gave her shit about it for months. Well deserved shit.
    I think of how gut voters like her are and am puzzled. At least I know she’d never vote (and didn’t) for Trump. I think she likes Biden this time.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    I tend to agree with you that I don’t think Trump would deliberately start a war. I’m way more worried about him stumbling into one because he doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing.

    He had his eye on getting a Nobel Peace Prize like Obama and will be pissed that his incompetent staff “cheated” him out of one.

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    dr. luba says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: In Michigan write in votes are only recorded if the person voted for has registered as a write in candidate. We had several write-ins for Bernie in my precinct, which didn’t get officially counted or recorded. Nor did Harambe’s. I assume they were considered to be “no presidential vote.”

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @satby: I hope not. I’d love to see Newman elected.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @dr. luba: ah, thanks, that makes sense

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator:

    , I think that Trump would be hesitant about deliberately starting a war.

    I’m pretty sure he doesn’t think of it as starting a war. More along the lines of “We’re the biggest asshole on the block, what can you do about it, huh?”

    And then he discovers that other country’s leaders aren’t as civilized as Nancy Pelosi.

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    Jay says:

    @Brachiator:

    As Robert Young Pelton keeps pointing out, the US is negotiating with the Beach Talibs,

    The guys who have been living high on the hog, in exile in the Petty Kingdoms, since 2002.

    They don’t control shit in Afghanistan.

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    Ken says:

    more than 9,000 tickets

    So that’s, what, three per member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @satby:

    She was pretty embarrassed when I told her that she voted for the Nazi.

    Wow. To not even type a candidate’s name into the Google machine…

    As for Pritzker, it’s a shame we had to run a billionaire against a billionaire, but c’mon! I voted for Daniel Biss in the primary, but had no hesitation about voting for J.B. in the general election. Especially when Rauner basically owns the IL Republican party, and I also like having a state budget down in Springfield.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Daniel Dale @ ddale8
    Trump on how he gets NATO members to increase their military spending: “King! You gotta pay!” He claims that unnamed foreign leaders told him nobody has ever asked them to do this before. In fact, Obama and Bush both hectored allies to boost spending.

    I wonder who he and his audience think he said this to. I always think what passes for thoughts in his head look like early cartoons, like from the 1920s.

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    mad citizen says:

    Harris supporter here–I agree I wouldn’t want to see her be a VP under Warren. Better she remain a Senator–perhaps a Majority Leader at some point. I read her book, and she relates how, when she was CA AG, Holder called her to say he was leaving and offering the US AG to her. She liked her job (large state, etc.) too much to take the D.C. job–of course at that point there was only a year to two left of the Obama administration.

    That said, I do think she would absolutely kill it as the Attorney General.

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    Ruckus says:

    @James E Powell:
    In 2 months, Joe Biden turns 77 yrs old.
    Yesterday BS turned 78 yrs old.
    So Biden is too old but BS is just right?
    Biden has the President Obama glow about him, BS got his ass kicked in the last election. Biden has run twice before and only managed maybe 2 steps out of the starting gate both times.
    I’m not seeing it for either of them. If it would come down to Biden or BS, Biden has my marker by a long shot.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Daniel Dale is live-tweeting Trump’s campaign rally.

    God bless that crazy, Canadian-born, American national treasure. :)

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    LuciaMia says:

    Jst read on an older thread that John was at the ER with a stab wound on his hand. What the what?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Daniel Dale @ ddale8
    ! Trump on his decision to weaken energy efficiency rules for light bulbs: “I’m not a vain person…But I look better under an incandescent light than these crazy lights that are beaming down.”

    ETA: @LuciaMia: he stabbed himself in the hand wrassling a watermelon
    details in his twitter feed.

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    FFS. The only light he looks better in is No.

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    Spanky says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    You were pictured on the Astronomy Pic of the Day today. And what’s with you and M33? I got a pic of you two the other night.

    This is sounding messier and messier.

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    LuciaMia says:

    I’m pretty sure he doesn’t think of it as starting a war.

    Im pretty sure he thinks he can just change his mind or walk away from it when things get nasty

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    Ruckus says:

    @LivinginExile:
    EW as senate majority leader would be excellent in my view. She has intense and specific ideas about laws we need. She’s no nonsense. I’d like to see her work with the Speaker to make laws that work, protect people in need and create better healthcare, no matter what you want to call it, and to create laws that protect us from ever having someone/anyone as shitty as drumpy.
    CA is extremely unlikely to send a republican to the senate any time soon, MA may be unlikely to do that, but the risk seems a bit higher.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Daniel Dale

    @ddale8
    · 18m
    Replying to @ddale8
    Trump, putting his hands together in a prayer gesture, claims that his opponents or the media, I’m not sure, have been saying, “Please, please let there be a recession, please.”

    Daniel Dale

    @ddale8
    Trump: “Under the normal rules,” he’ll be out in 2024, before the 2026 World Cup, “so we may have to go for an extra term.” There are cheers. He says people are “going crazy” over this, and are going to say “he’s a dictator,” but “I’m only kidding.”

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    Narrator: “He was not kidding.”

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    debbie says:

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    So what do you think this is, Trump trapped in a Sharpie tree?

    pic.twitter.com/6AwPcY6M16— Sarah Huckster Sanders (@SarahHuckster) September 9, 2019

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    LuciaMia says:

    he stabbed himself in the hand wrassling a watermelon
    details in his twitter feed.

    Criminy, dont read the posts for a day and all heck breaks loose!

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    Richard Guhl says:

    @Spanky:
    I saw what you did there.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Daniel Dale
    @ddale8
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    Trump: “Our evangelicals are here tonight, and they’re all over the place.”
    Daniel Dale
    @ddale8
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    Trump claims “the other side” is “not big believers in religion,” if you “listen to some of them.”
    Daniel Dale
    @ddale8
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    Trump says tomorrow’s special election is a chance to send a message to “the America-hating left.”
    Daniel Dale
    @ddale8
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    Trump usually claims his wall is going up “very fast” or “rapidly.” This time he said “going up very big.” (Zero new additional miles had been built as of August; 60 miles of replacement fencing had been built; some is big.)

    Somewhere an English dictionary is weeping.

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    @Spanky:

    This is sounding messier and messier.

    Ya got that right.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    The thoughts in his head are not nearly as well drawn out as cartoons from any era. Stone age cave drawings had dramatically more thought put into them.
    He doesn’t have thoughts, he has reactions to things. Some of those things don’t make any sense but still he’s always responding, never actually thinking.

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    debbie says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Trump claims “the other side” is “not big believers in religion,” if you “listen to some of them.

    No one is less of a big believer in religion than Trump himself.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @debbie:

    He’s a big believer that “Christians” like himself (ifyouknowwhathemeans) are superior to everyone else. That’s about it.

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    debbie says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I believe, if it were possible, that Jesus would beat the crap out of him.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @FlipYrWhig:
    Wilmeristas are on that river in Egypt.

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    Jeffro says:

    @debbie: its his supporters getting rained on by non-existent rain (per his claim earlier today)

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    Citizen Alan says:

    I want kamela Harris to be the 1st African American woman on the US Supreme Court. Can you imagine how many heads would explode? Can you imagine Clarence Thomas’s reaction to sitting next to a strong African American person who is not ruled by their own self loathing?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @TenguPhule: Trump: “Our evangelicals are here tonight, and they’re all over the place.”

    He holds half his voters in contempt, the other half hold him in contempt. Of course, that just reflects the age-old tension within the GOP, the church basements vs the country clubs, a pact of cynical mutual loathing

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    Mary G says:

    Wow, more details on the spy we had to pull out of Russia:

    New tonight: Given NYT has now made details on Russian spy public, I can now report additional info we had withheld. Asset had direct access to Vladimir Putin, including the remarkable ability to take photos of presidential documents, and had served US for more than a decade. 1/ https://t.co/gyk8hA79k1— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) September 10, 2019

    What a terrible loss Twitler has cost us.

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    Mary G says:

    "Documents obtained from Scottish government agencies show that the Trump Organization, and Mr. Trump himself, played a direct role in setting up an arrangement between the Turnberry resort and officials at Glasgow Prestwick Airport." https://t.co/6ElMIK5Y4h— Robert Costa (@costareports) September 10, 2019

    I agree with Kamala – Dude’s gotta go.

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    debbie says:

    @Mary G:

    I just hope they can keep the guy safe.

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    MomSense says:

    Just got a text push poll from
    Vermont – I think they were surprised by my choices for Democratic nominee.

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    Mary G says:

    @debbie: Yeah, you know Vlad will be looking. Hopefully Haspel will withhold all information from the entire administration.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Mary G: That directly contradicts what Trump just said.

    Dude’s gotta go.

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    Mary G says:

    Democrats cooperate with each other:

    Wow. I love this ad. pic.twitter.com/FobJoZBd18— Matt Rogers 🎙 (@Politidope) September 9, 2019

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @TenguPhule: “they’re all over the place.” Like bedbugs.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    When I saw the tweet at the top of the post, my first thought was, “At the Etihad, or at Old Trafford?”

    (Manchester City’s stadium and Manchester United’s respectvely. Yes, I know, not that Manchester.)

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    debbie says:

    @Mary G:

    I assume Giffords is Gabby?

    It is.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I don’t like to think too much about the inside of Trump’s head, but yeah.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Amir Khalid: I recall a news story of a man from the UK who ended up in the wrong Manchester while trying to get home.
    (Remembered it because Manchester-Boston Regional Airport is basically my home airport, or at least the one I try to use whenever I can since it’s uncrowded and conveniently located for me. But there aren’t direct flights to too many places.)

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    AliceBlue says:

    @Jeffro: Let’s see if NOAA issues a statement declaring that yes, it most certainly was raining in Fayetteville today.

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    J R in WV says:

    @LuciaMia:

    Jst read on an older thread that John was at the ER with a stab wound on his hand. What the what?

    Was trying to slice a watermelon with a pointy knife, and managed to hit the palm of his other hand… Urgent Care Dr and he argued about pain numbers, Dr sent him to the ER, which smelled bad so he left and went home. His family Dr refused to treat it this morning, so he hit up the ER again, not so bad this time.

    That pretty much wraps it up. I imagine the watermelon was good and enjoyed by all.

    All this according to posts and twits…

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    Spider-Dan says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’d rather keep Harris in the Senate. I don’t like AG-to-Prez as a pipeline; in fact, I think any cabinet-level position is a bad idea for a Senator with WH aspirations, as they’re already in perfect position to run. And while Hillary was a perfectly fine candidate in 2016, I’d rather not have another primary cycle where the only option for people who don’t like the frontrunner is someone who openly disapproves of the Democratic Party. Let’s keep the backbenches strong.

    I think Beto/Castro/Buttigieg are better choices for VP or cabinet positions, as they themselves clearly believe they have hit the ceiling in their own states.

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    Doug R says:

    @mrmoshpotato: He can’t spell “Andromeda”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Matt McIrvin:
    There is a Liverpool in upstate New York, where you probably won’t find many stores selling Liverpool FC or Beatles memorabilia.

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    James E Powell says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Okay this has to be approaching peak crazy.

    I don’t even think we’ve reached Camp IV on the South Col.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Amir Khalid: As a history buff I was very excited to visit Liverpool last month. Alas, they’re really only geared for welcoming Beatles fans, which I am not. The two churches we visited (Catholic and Anglican) were rather boring since I’m agnostic.

    But as always, London was great.

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    Jay says:

    Your firm had an "official partnership" with the airport. You gave a press conference in one of its hangars in Nov 2014. Your company discussed business opportunities and integration with it, and provided it with discounted rates at Turnberry. It has everything to do with you. https://t.co/30cgyELoFp— Martyn McLaughlin (@MartynMcL) September 9, 2019

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Amir Khalid: It doesn’t look like Liverpool, NY has a huge business district, but I’d guess somebody there is hawking Beatles memorabilia.

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    Aleta says:

    randy khan was right about the the NOAA statement being ordered at the Dept. of Commerce level:
    ———
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/climate/hurricane-dorian-trump-tweet.html
    Commerce Chief Threatened Firings at NOAA After Trump’s Dorian Tweets, Sources Say

    NOAA’s statement on Friday is now being examined by the Commerce Department’s Office of Inspector General, according to documents reviewed by The New York Times, and employees have been asked to preserve their files. NOAA is a division of the Commerce Department.

    The National Weather Service “must maintain standards of scientific integrity,” the inspector general, Peggy E. Gustafson, wrote in a message to NOAA staff members in which she requested documents related to Friday’s statement. The circumstances, she wrote, “call into question the NWS’s processes, scientific independence, and ability to communicate accurate and timely weather warnings and data to the nation in times of national emergency.”

    Craig N. McLean, NOAA’s acting chief scientist, sent an email to staff members Monday notifying the agency that he was looking into “potential violations” in the agency’s decision to ultimately back Mr. Trump’s statements rather than those of its own scientists. He called the agency’s action “a danger to public health and safety.”

    Also on Monday, the National Weather Service director, Louis W. Uccellini, prompted a standing ovation at a weather industry conference in Huntsville, Ala., when he praised the work of the Birmingham office, asked them to stand and said staff members had acted “with one thing in mind, public safety” when they contradicted Mr. Trump’s claim that Alabama was at risk.
    ——–
    [Commerce denies that Ross threatened “to fire any NOAA staff over forecasting and public statements about Hurricane Dorian.”]

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    …note also, Manchester, NH isn’t even the only Manchester in New England; there are at least three others (one is a Manchester-by-the-Sea).

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Doug R: Don’t you be slamming an unbuilt English motorway! :)

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    Another Scott says:

    @Aleta: Excellent. It’s great the NWS isn’t being cowed by Ross and Donnie. It’s vitally important that they stand up, and it’s good to see that they recognize the need as well.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SFAW says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Kimberly Guilfoyle calls Dan McCready a “socialist wannabe” and “very low energy.” She says McCready wants nothing more than to “frolic in the swamp with his gal pals the Squad” #NC09

    They are ALL such vile imitations of actual humans. They make me want to believe that there really is a Hell.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @SFAW: isn’t Guilfoyle willingly fucking Donald Trump Jr..? Does she really want to get into who’s “frolicking” for political advantage?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Ew.

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    eddie blake says:

    ummm, how can you be BOTH low-energy AND a FROLICKER?

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    Lymie says:

    NH convention was awesome. Great energy. The Warren campaign went all out for a good show of support and it worked. Bernie is popular, too.. Biden was weak.

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    SFAW says:

    @TS (the original):

    2016 demonstrated that half of the electorate lost its collective brain.

    That happened long before 2016

    After the past 2.5 years, many would see 2 women candidates as the best thing that could ever happen to the USA – sanity, the ability to multi task and no golf.

    Perhaps, but those persons probably would not have voted for Trump the first time, either.

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