I will put up a website update post tomorrow, but in the meantime… Ask me anything in this thread and I will answer all your questions.
You can also send email to my nym at balloon-juice.com, and I will respond.
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I will put up a website update post tomorrow, but in the meantime… Ask me anything in this thread and I will answer all your questions.
You can also send email to my nym at balloon-juice.com, and I will respond.
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Vince
Are ghosts real and have you ever seen one?
Jerzy Russian
Why do cars drive on parkways and park on driveways?
Another Scott
I’m too lazy to look at the previous threads…
Adam and I ribbed each other yesterday about searching for stuff (and his stuff) here. Will there be a decent search function with the rebuild, or will we have to type 20+ extra characters into a Google search?
;-)
Thanks for all you’re doing for us here!
[eta] It looks like there were issues in hitting the dB too hard in the past. Has a work-around been found?
https://balloon-juice.com/2018/06/28/site-changes-ahem-er-enhancements/
Thanks again. :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
trollhattan
Is it permissible to neck on a first date?
WaterGirl
@Vince: Maybe, and no.
WaterGirl
@Jerzy Russian: It’s inexplicable.
James E Powell
Why can’t I get good peaches in Southern California?
Omnes Omnibus
Would you be interested in investing in my cold fusion project?
Jerzy Russian
@WaterGirl: When something is delivered via a truck it is a “shipment”, when when it goes on a boat it is “cargo”. I am not sure if this is a consequence of the bug I mentioned previously.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott:
Yes!
In addition to searching front page posts, the new site will search comments, as well.
We will have to adjust the settings in order to achieve the most desirable balance of front page posts and comments in the search results. Once the site is live and people are doing real searches for posts or comments they are actually looking for, we’ll be able to fine tune that balance based based on the
results.
Last I heard, we were 60% of the way through the indexing process. It takes some time, and a lot of disk space, to index 5 million comments!
trollhattan
@James E Powell:
You just need to go to the beach.
Jerzy Russian
@James E Powell:
I remember one time about 10 years ago a local community college had some kind of event and we found some pretty good peaches then. I think those peaches were grown somewhere near Escondido, or at least a nursery there had the trees available.
trollhattan
@WaterGirl:
Sounds like me after I fuck up a Lightroom catalog. [grumble]
Steve in the ATL
@trollhattan: and what is the line between light and heavy petting?
WaterGirl
@Another Scott:
I can’t speak to anything in the past, but the developers feel that 5 recent comments will not be a big drain. The database will be tuned for the most-used queries, and they use object caching, which should help keep things speedy.
The developers are also hosting the new site, so they are able to tune everything to work together. That will make also make a big difference compared to the situation we had with Hosting Matters.
Baud
Do you think I’ve gained weight?
Josie
May I nominate you for sainthood?
Baud
@Josie:
Patron saint of losers.
Adam L Silverman
What is the Ort system (equation) and what does it tell us?
WaterGirl
@trollhattan: Necking on the first date? Absolutely.
@James E Powell: Why can’t I get good peaches in Southern California? Because CA isn’t in Southern Illinois.
@Omnes Omnibus: Would you be interested in investing in my cold fusion project? Um, no.
@Jerzy Russian: Still inexplicable.
@Steve in the ATL: You didn’t ask me, but if you don’t know the difference between light and heavy petting, then I can’t explain it to you.
dmsilev
Will the new site randomly forget our login information? You know, for nostalgia’s sake.
RAVEN
Did you go to the Illini game?
WaterGirl
@Baud: I think maybe you have, but it doesn’t show at all!
WaterGirl
Now that I’ve answered all the questions about pressing issues, are there any questions related to the site upgrade?
HalfAssedHomesteader
@Steve in the ATL: Pretty sure it’s the waistline.
WaterGirl
@dmsilev:
One of the final sections on the testing form is titled: PTSD/Throwback Worries from the Previous Site.
Item 1 in that section is related to nym permanence, and item 2 is related to random comments being eaten.
I haven’t been able to test nym permanence yet, because the new site is only accessible at this point with a WordPress login. And when you’re logged in, of course the site knows who you are.
But the mechanism for saving commenter nyms/email/URL is the same as the mechanism for tracking/saving anyone you have pied with the new pie filter, and that hasn’t forgotten any of my pied people on the test site yet, over a period of weeks. So I have faith!
WaterGirl
@RAVEN: I did not go to the game, too busy working. Did we win?
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
“Orcs are aggressive scavengers and opportunistic carnivores (with a taste for both in-species cannibalism and human flesh). While possessing a low cunning and crude culture of their own, they are generally portrayed as a subject race used as soldiers (or battle fodder) by beings of greater power and intelligence. There are exceptions, as orcs sometimes have cunning leaders of their own species, such as Azog from the Tolkien legendarium. Violent by nature, they will fight ferociously if compelled or directed by a guiding will, but tend towards more chaotic behaviour (including cowardice) if left to their own devices. They often use boars, wolves, wargs, and other unusual beasts for battle transport.”
dexwood
Will there be an option to pie everyone at once? A select all feature?
Jerzy Russian
@WaterGirl:
1. Will the mobile site have those side arrow buttons to navigate to the previous or to the next post?
2. Right now, the mobile site does a bad job of remembering where I was in the comments. If I click on a link, then go back, I lose my place in the comments. Will this issue be addressed.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@James E Powell: The only way to do that is grow your own in your yard*. No yard…you’re SOL.
*Madame is frustrated about me turning my nose at store bought peaches, I grew up with peach trees in our yard(In Southern CA).
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Yes.
WaterGirl
Someone today wondered why we haven’t provide a website update recently, which was followed by a crack from Major Major about the new website having been two weeks away since May.
And that’s the answer to the question. You can only tell people “I think we might be able to start testing in a couple of weeks” so many time before you become the boy who cried wolf.
It doesn’t matter how many weasel words I (intentionally) used, it’s a fact of life that people remember “two weeks”, and an
exceptionexpectation has been set.Over the past couple of weeks, John and I have debated whether or not to do an update, but the situation is always fluid toward the end of a big project like this and we couldn’t supply a concrete timetable, so we opted for no update. From the comments in the earlier thread today, it seems like maybe a “nothing concrete to tell you” thread might have been better than no thread at all?
Shana
@Jerzy Russian: @Jerzy Russian: I have the same issue. It’s annoying to try to remember what comment number I was reading when I clicked on a link.
WaterGirl
@dexwood:
Just yesterday I pied everyone in a thread, just so I could see all the pie images and pie quotes at one time.
I even pied myself, which it let me do. Talk about low self image! :-)
I love the new pie filter. You can choose between seeing a quote or seeing an image or seeing nothing at all but the comment # and the person’s nym, and whether you’ve pied someone, or un-pied someone, it takes effect instantly without having to refresh the page. You can pie from an alphabetical list or you can search for a nym and then click to pie that person.
WaterGirl
@Jerzy Russian:
The mobile site has all the navigation I could think of:
up arrow takes you to the top
down arrow takes you to the bottom
right arrow – next post
left arrow – previous post
comment – takes you directly to the comment box
Did I miss anything?
trollhattan
@WaterGirl:
‘Round these parts we estimate time in Friedman Units.
NotMax
@Steve in the ATL
The Kinsey Meridian.
;)
dexwood
@WaterGirl:
I never pie anyone, but it’s good to know I’ll have powerful options. Thanks for this thankless task.
WaterGirl
@Jerzy Russian:
If I am going to click a link on a mobile device, I always click the date/time stamp first to anchor my position, and then click whatever I was going to do. In testing, if I refresh, it remembers where I was.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: Ort with a T not orc.
NotMax
Will there be a longer time window for edits? Seriously, five minutes can flash by when engrossed in comment surfing, as some have opined in the past..
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
So close. :-)
Could have gone with Oort, also, too.
WaterGirl
@trollhattan: The developers were slated to start work on May 4. There was a family emergency that held that up by about 2 weeks, so it’s probably fair to say work started on May 15. I will be surprised if we don’t start the wider testing by Sept 15, which would make it about 4 months.
Longer than the estimate, for sure, but for a website as big as this one, I don’t think that’s out of line.
And in spite of Major Major’s good-natured crack that we’ve been saying “2 weeks” since May, I’m pretty sure that he could tell you that what we’re experiencing isn’t at all uncommon for a web development project. It’s the 80-20 rule at work. It feels nearly complete, but the final details take as much time as the first 80% of the project.
WaterGirl
@NotMax:
Yes, we can set the number of minutes. I have wondered if we should start with 7, but I certainly don’t think we would want it to be more than 10.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Are you calling me a loser? :-)
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: That was the one I actually meant. Didn’t realize it had to Os in it. My bad.
trollhattan
@WaterGirl:
Some kinds of things take the time they take–pushing them out early can lead to grief (737 Max).
Yarrow
@WaterGirl: Thanks for the update. I think I was the one asking if I’d missed an update and asking for more info. I’ve been very busy so might have missed something. Then the two weeks comment came up and it seemed like it had been two weeks months ago.
For me a short update from time to time–maybe once a month or so–would be helpful to let us know what’s happening. Like now, “We’re working on indexing the comments and we’re about 60% of the way there.” Short and sweet and done. You’ve asked for beta testers, people have volunteered, you posted again asking them to get in touch with you. Is that happening? If that is happening maybe an update on that.
I know we’ve lost commenters because of the website. Too much of a pain to have to type the nym and email every time, pages take too much memory, ads use too much data on mobile, etc. Those are just some of the site-related reasons people have given for not visiting/posting. It’s possible that an update about the site rebuild might keep people more involved because they know something better is coming. Or not. What do I know.
Thanks for your hard work.
piratedan
gonna have to improve my copypasta skills so I can remember to collect some of the comments that impact me. ty WG for being the pointy end of the spear for us jackals
NotMax
OT.
Rain! Maybe the temp will head down to merely Hell’s suburbs level. Been a brutal week.
WaterGirl
@trollhattan:
Yep. That’s what I keep telling Cole. Nothing good ever came from rushing a project like this at the end.
Adam L Silverman
@WaterGirl: I’ve got some guy named Vlad on line 1 for you. He wants to know if his nuclear powered cruise missile is ready.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
“Twelve minutes to bake the cookies? Bet if I crank it up to 500 I can get them done in five.”
:)
WaterGirl
@Yarrow:
That just about sums it up, and that’s why it has been worth it for me to devote time and energy to the site rebuild. I am very much hoping that if we do this right – and I believe that we are – Balloon Juice can get back to being the refuge from frustration it had always been, rather than being a source of it.
EthylEster
Will the blogroll allow the target site to be opened in a new tab?
WaterGirl
@Adam L Silverman: I’m afraid that’s going take a little longer.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: ha!
Amir Khalid
I’ve been having a reurring problem with images that don’t load on my Windows7/Firefox laptop and can’t be viewed because the file “has errors”. I have to view the front page on my phone to see them. Is there going to be a fix for that?
WaterGirl
@EthylEster:
Not quite sure how to break this to you gently. John did not want a blogroll on the new suite – if I recall correctly, he felt it had gotten so big and out of date that it wasn’t serving a purpose at all.
germy
@WaterGirl: I want to thank you for all the work you’ve been doing.
And thanks to the others as well.
WaterGirl
@Amir Khalid:
The precise answer to your question is “no”, but the more accurate answer is “yes”, but only indirectly. I will try to explain that in a separate comment.
trollhattan
@Amir Khalid:
You should have Windows NT instead.
Ken
Will there be an option to turn on threaded comments, which when clicked takes you to a page of John making a rude gesture?
Steve in the ATL
@WaterGirl:
So Baud won’t be allowed to post here anymore? Thank god!
debbie
@WaterGirl:
Surprisingly, the peaches in Ohio are awesome this year!
NotMax
What’s really needed is a Trump filter.
(An old curmudgeon can dream, can’t he?)
WaterGirl
@germy: Thank you! For the site rebuild, once the developers were chosen, it’s been just me and John. And the developers, of course!
Though there have been a few Balloon Juice angels along the way! I was starting to flag as I was 3/4 of the way through the process of paring 402 Balloon Juice top level categories down to a more manageable 32, and Anne Laurie stepped in and helped get me over the hump, at which point I got my second wind and the energy to finish the process.
I started to flag again about 3/4 of the way through selecting the images for the 32 top level categories, not able to find just the right images for the rest. Maze Dancer was the angel who stepped up then, finding multiple options for half a dozen of the remaining topics, and two of the images have turned out to be some of my favorites: the images for Absent Friends and Open Thread.
I was about 3/4 of the way through creating the form for testing – starting to notice a pattern here – when WolvesValley appeared out of nowhere and offered to turn the plain text form into a fillable pdf. Another angel, just when I needed one.
There’s a lot of talent and generosity here on Balloon Juice.
frosty
@WaterGirl: My project management rule of thumb: It takes 50% of the budget to get 90% complete, 50% of the budget to get 99% complete, 50% of the budget to get 99.9% complete …..
Gin & Tonic
@Ken: A goatse gesture? Rude enough?
WaterGirl
@Ken: I think turning on threaded comments takes you directly to hell, where you may or may not find John Cole waiting for you.
WaterGirl
@Steve in the ATL: You take that back!!!
Ruckus
@NotMax:
We don’t need a drumpy filter, we need a drumpy exit device.
WaterGirl
@debbie: Two Saturday’s ago I got the best white peaches ever at the farmer’s market. They were a good size but didn’t have a lot of color; I got them anyway. Oh my god. They were absolutely delightful. Last Saturday when I asked if there were more of those they said no, those are an heirloom peach so it doesn’t have as much color as some of the newer ones but they are renowned for the flavor. Yes they were! Like heaven.
WaterGirl
@frosty: I laughed! Funny, but true. Except in this case, we are paying what they bid for the job, not by the hour.
Amir Khalid
@WaterGirl:
Thank you, I think.
WaterGirl
@Amir Khalid: May it will help if I clarify the process. There is no fixing of problems from the current site, because – in simple terms – the web developers are creating a completely new site from scratch. A new way of searching the site, a new comment system, a new way of pulling up BJ archives, a new pie filter, a new method for rotating tags, a new form for On the Road, etc.
They pull in the up-to-the-minute database from the old site, merging it with the new site. The user accounts for front pagers, the posts, the zillion images, the 5 million comments.
It really is infrastructure week, because the current site has older, failing infrastructure held together by Alain (and M4), possibly through sheer force of will. So unless a problem you are having now is the result of corruption in the database, there really shouldn’t be any old problems rearing their ugly heads.
There may be new problems (!) because there are always issues when you roll out a site, but I doubt that we’ll see the old ones. Some things can be hard to explain – I hope this makes sense!
joel hanes
@dexwood:
Thanks for this thankless task.
So say we all.
J R in WV
@WaterGirl:
Here in WV there’s a lot of contention over which peaches are best:
Romney Peaches — higher up in the mountains, later to ripen, smaller peaches, sweeter, peachier tasting.
Martinsburg peaches — in the Eastern Panhandle lowlands, ripen early, BIG beaches, not quite as tasty.
So I get Martinsburg peaches early, and use them to bake Grandma’s Peach Kuchen. And then about 3 weeks later on, I start getting those wonderful Romney peaches, and use them to bake Grandma’s Peach Kuchen. I’ve posted that recipe every summer for several years, twice this year, if’n you want it, just ask. I finally saved the text file so I don’t have to get out Grandma’s recipe card and re-type it again.
There were still peaches at the Farmer’s Market when I was there last… Thursday. But I still had a Kuchen from the peaches I got my previous visit. It’s in the fridge, we warm the servings up a tad in the microwave. They’re better warm than cold.
WaterGurl — I’ve got my Windoze laptop now. But this afternoon it told me to update — so like a drone I did. Before dinner it said it was 96% done, after about 3 hours of updating. Then after dinner, it said it was 92% done!!!!
Is that normal! Seems crazed to me, and Linux can download and update 157MB in like 12 minutes. So what’s going on with a Win 10 update running for 4 hours?
I was hoping to use that with a Canon scanner to work up two boxes of family pix I got from my cousin… The Windoz drivers are better than the uinx drivers, for some reason.
Amir Khalid
@WaterGirl:
That does help. Thanks again.
WaterGirl
@J R in WV: I’d love the recipe, which I have managed to miss before when you posted it. Your timing is perfect. On july 27 I started a “no desserts for 35 days” pledge after having eaten ice cream 8 times in one week on vacation. So I can eat dessert tomorrow! Note to self: in the future, do not try to stop eating sugar cold turkey while in the middle of a very large project.
Only Microsoft could manage to go from 96% done to 92% done. In all fairness, though, i have to wonder if it might have been a 2-step process, and you caught it at 96% for the first part, and then later at 92% for the second part. But in my opinion Microsoft is the devil, so I should probably have left you thinking the worst. Hope the update will finish for you before new year.
J R in WV
When I was leading multiple projects — real projects with budgets and teams — we used to say after you got to 90%, the last 10 % took the last 90% of resources.
And really, all those projects had leaders and sharp teams of developers, many from India, or China, or Burma, or Peru, or….. anywhere. I’ve left at least a couple of nations out.
Current immigration situation has probably hosed up billions of $$ worth of software projects.
Peaches were not involved in those project schedules !!!
frosty
@WaterGirl: My rule of thumb still stands. You may be paying them what they bid, but it may be costing them 50% + 50% + 50% etc etc but you won’t be seeing it.
Assuming they’re not the kind of contractor/consultant that makes a living from change orders.
J R in WV
@WaterGirl:
Here it is:
PEACH KUCHEN
BY Grandma Grace
1/2 cup butter
2 cups sifted flour
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2 salt
1 cup sugar
from 9 large to 12 small peach halves to fill the baking pan
At least 1 tsp cinnamon
dash Asian five spice (optional)
2 or 3 egg yolks
1 cup sour cream
Peel and slice all your peaches in half, sprinkle a little sugar on them to keep them fresh while you deal with the crust. (it is as easy to make two of these, just double everything!)
Cut cold butter into sifted flour combined with baking powder, salt and 2 tblsp of sgar with a dash of cinnamon, using a pastry blade. Press even layer into (8 or 9″ Sq.) baking pan on bottom and up sides with a big spoon or your hands, whatever. I use a clear pyrex glass or a parchment paper lined aluminium pan.
Arrange peach halves in shell cut sides up. Sprinkle the remaining sugar (1 cup less 2 tablespoons) mixed with the cinnamon and optional asian five spice or plain ground anise seed. Bake in 400 degree oven for 15 minutes
While the Kuchen bakes the first time, mix 1 cup sour cream with 2 or 3 egg yolks with a whip or a fork to get a smooth mixture. Remove the Kuchen from the oven, spoon the sour cream mixture over the peaches and into the crevices between the peaches. Bake again for at least 30 minutes at 350. I often need to use convection and a little more time to get the slightly browned top I think is ideal.
Sometimes I spoon a little orange liquor over the peaches after I cover then with sugar, I always use the bowl I put the sliced peeled peaches in to mix the sour cream and egg yolks, so I capture the juice left by the peaches while I make the crust.
I am eating some as I post this!!! Yum! It can’t be done with canned or frozen peaches… so sad!
MattF
A nit on the mobile site. I’ve figured out how to do cut-and-paste on my iPad… which is good… but I find that the button for specifying a URL for a link in a comment is nearly covered up by the iPad cut-and-paste UI. There’s some visible pixels, and that seems to be enough for interaction with the UI… but it’s worrisome.
And also, just btw, I’ve -never- used the pre-set ‘http:’ prefix in the URL box– not once.
WaterGirl
@frosty:
Could not agree more.
WaterGirl
@J R in WV: Thanks for the recipe! So does the sour cream mixture end up being kind of like the sour cream on top of a cheesecake? Or frosting? I am trying to picture what happens to it when you bake it after adding the sour cream mixture.
I bet it would work perfectly with fresh pineapple. :-)
Edit: I make a mean southern cobbler – peach or sour cherry.
WaterGirl
@MattF: I have never learned how to do copy & paste or link a URL on my iPad. I use it more for reading on train. You should share your tips with us. :-)
I can’t tell if your nit on the mobile site is talking about the current BJ mobile site or just mobile sites in general. If you have issues/concerns about the mobile site, you should sign up to be a tester!
Aleta
@J R in WV: Thanks. I was just moaning to myself earlier this evening about not having peaches. It’s hard to get good ones where I am, and if you do find some they are not around more than a week or two. There’s one guy who takes orders for boxes and drives a truck down South to buy them and drive back. Anyway, at least I read and copy your recipe every year. (? sob )
I’m hoping to see the northern lights tonight.
MattF
@WaterGirl: Basically, ‘copy’ and ‘paste’ both employ long presses. For ‘copy’ you select the desired text, then press the selected text for a second or two– and the selected text gets into the clipboard. There’s a thingum that says ‘cut/copy’ after pressing, when the operation succeeds, so you can tell. For ‘paste’, a long press in the URL box does the second half of the operation, and there is also a ‘paste’ thingum that shows up.
WaterGirl
@MattF: The copy, I can do. It’s the selecting the text I want that’s the problem – when it’s not a single word or a whole sentence or paragraph.
MattF
@WaterGirl: Get the text cursor into a word in the text string you want to select– then a press selects that single word and brings up a two-handled doodad that lets you lengthen the selection area to specify the actual text string you want to select.
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: A refresh button on the mobile version would be handy. The various mobile browsers have various ways of refreshing a page, but it generally involves much more than a single click.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: We actually have that! I forgot to mention it. :-)
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: There is a little sticky bar that takes up almost no real estate that has REFRESH (obvious) and COMMENT (takes you directly to the comment box) and then the 4 arrows (up, down, right, left).
Edit: It behaves like a header row you can freeze in a spreadsheet, always present at the top as you scroll down through the rows (or in this case a thread or the comments).
WaterGirl
@MattF: Ah! It’s the doodad that I didn’t know how to get to. I will try that next time I am doing site testing on the iPad. thanks!
Professor Bigfoot
How big is your bug list right now? Is it growing or shrinking?
CapnMubbers
@WaterGirl: Maybe not, JR in WV had an unfortunate experience with fresh pineapple in, I believe, a cake—the enzymes in the fresh fruit turned it into a soupy mess.
WaterGirl
@Professor Bigfoot: That is a most excellent question!
Most definitely shrinking on the development site. Though I did some testing today with a Balloon Juice commenter who is an expert in usability at her day job, and she found some things that I had not, so the list grew today. That’s what testing is for!
The list grew substantially with the trial run of merging the development site and the current BJ data two weeks ago, but that’s mostly a matter of making sure all the steps for merging everything are on the to do list for the real thing.
This past week and early next week we will continue to transfer as many images and comments as possible to what will be the new LIVE system. The hope/plan is that when we do the final transfer, it will only have to transfer what will have changed since the previous transfer. That’s what we’re testing next.
This coming week will be the conversion of the database and trial run #2 of merging the current database and the code for the development server. That will tell us a lot.
WaterGirl
@CapnMubbers: Yes, that’s what the smiley face was for in my comment. Such a sad evening for that pineapple cake.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: You use mobile quite a bit for Balloon Juice, yes?
If you’re sure you can’t be talked into being a tester, as one of the people who gave a lot of input re: features for mobile devices, I wouldn’t mind getting your feedback on what I included in the “hamburger” for phones.
NotMax
@Watergirl
Yet more images (for categories)?
Amber – but not red – flag just went up as their purpose would seem, from the description, to be purely decorative (and (ugh) avatarish). Each separate element apart from text slows loading just that fraction of a second more.
JaySinWA
@J R in WV: Windoze tends to break up updates into 3 phases, download, install and update (IIRC) where update is often per user. With independent percent completion meters for each.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: All but one category image is set.
As for the rest, we will see whether it’s to your liking or not, once you’ve seen the site. Not everyone will love it; that’s an unattainable goal.
JaySinWA
@JaySinWA: If the Windows update doesn’t require reboot, you often see the percentages change backward because of a phase change. OTOH could MS actually backtrack or even screw up its listing of update status? Sure, why not.
JaySinWA
@WaterGirl: Please report to the cult retraining ministry. Stat.
WaterGirl
@JaySinWA:I don’t know what that means! Could you please explain?
JaySinWA
@WaterGirl: Start by repeating the mantra, “Everyone loves it, everyone will love it, Those who do not love it are foreign to us but will be assimilated.” See your training officer asap to schedule a retraining session.
ETA “Balloon Juice cannot fail, it can only be failed” may help in the meantime.
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: Actually, no, not really. I mean, I do occasionally, but not as my main interaction with the site. I find doing stuff on the phone to be too annoying in general – I’m a touch typist and hate hunt-and-pecking on a phone. Creating HTML tags is painful on a phone. Etc. I’ve become dependent on the accelerator buttons on the desktop and hate scrolling on my phone, so the upcoming extra virtual buttons are a fantastic addition here. Thanks!
I mainly use Chrome on Win10 and a MBP, and occasionally a Chromebook to read and post things here.
I’m reluctant to sign up for being a tester, especially on the phone, because I don’t think I can devote the time to do a decent job. You should see my yard. ;-)
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
CapnMubbers
@WaterGirl: Whoosh, right over my head :-)
NotMax
@WaterGirl
I won’t see them anyway, most of the time, as my habit is to surf with images turned off. More concerned that every additional element which has to load takes that smidgen of extra time.
rikyrah
The previous and future posts arrow is only visible on my most recent Kindle Fire, even though my older Kindle Fire uses the same browser.
These arrows are not visible on my Android phone. I use Google and Google Chrome on my phone.
Will we be able to see those arrows on every device with the new design?
WaterGirl
@rikyrah: We are using a different mechanism for those navigation items on the new site, so I believe you should be able to see them on every device.
We have multiple testers with Kindles, so we will be able to verify that during testing. You are welcome to join the ranks of the BJ testers if you would like to see for yourself on your devices.
Copied from above since it’s relevant to your question: