Here’s a Florida cooter (yep, that’s what they’re called) catching a little sun before the afternoon thunderstorms commence:
It plopped into the water right after I took that shot, and sure enough, now it’s raining sideways. Not that a turtle minds the rain…
Have we discussed the media kerfluffle around Joe Biden’s amalgamated war story? I think Greg Sargent has the right take here. To sum up, he says it’s bullshit to conflate Biden’s unintentionally mangled facts with Trump’s deliberate lies but that it should concern us that Biden sees no problem with getting the facts wrong as long as his intentions were good.
As Sargent says, we have a president who is at war with the truth, so our commitment to factual accuracy has to be absolute. The contrast with Trump and his pack of prolific liars has to be sharp and unmistakable.
Open thread.
Baud
They turned Hillary into a serial liar for less, so the concern is that the media’s attacks stick. But the media will always try to find something on any candidate.
debbie
I totally agree. That, and his seeming inability to apologize.
NotMax
First off, what is a naval officer doing on the ground in a landlocked country. Joe the schmo strikes again.
debbie
@Baud:
And yet they don’t seem to stick to Trump in any way that a Republican would acknowledge. Did you know he’s now clocked at more than 12,000 lies?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
so trump got a security briefing and paid attention because he got to go nyah-nyah-nyah at a country he doesn’t like
What I’m guessing was a satellite launch that went bad. He tweeted out a picture I am not a national security wonk, but this doesn’t look right to me, nor to a bunch of people on twitter
Baud
@debbie:
Right. They are held to a different standard.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
As long as they didn’t email it.
NotMax
@Jim, Foolish Literalist
In absolutely no way, shape or form does that read as if Dolt 45 write it. CIA, NSC or Pentagon, yes, but definitely not him.
NotMax
@NotMax
Arrgh.
wrote, not write
(Waiter, more coffee! Stat!)
Anonymous At Work
I’m more concerned about the deep support (albeit few in number) for Gabbard, who felt the need to cry “Conspiracy!” on SEAN HANNITY’S WHITE-SUPREMACIST FLAGSHIP. And she wonders why she never took off among Democratic primary voters??
Yarrow
I spent my morning at the tire place because I had a nail, with washer, stuck in my tire. Last night I had an event to attend and all the way there–thump, thump, thump coming from the passenger side of the car. I couldn’t see what was causing it but I sure could see it this morning when the tire was flat. The washer was making the nail stick up, which was causing the thumping. Fun.
Bill K
I think Biden’s mistakes and Trump’s lies have the same justification – it’s OK as long as it serves my purpose. Trump is an evil person so his definition of purpose is much worse that Biden’s, but the way of thinking is still the same and it’s not OK. Facts should matter.
Also, f*ck Trump and his staff for their total disregard for OPSEC. Trump has been our enemies’ biggest asset since he took office.
MattF
Not entirely OT. Fox News reported some instances of Trump’s lying— and the liar got upset. Greg Sargent had some comments.
Brachiator
@debbie:
Trump lies, exaggerates, takes credit for things he did not do, and blames others for his failures. He is also criminally incompetent. Oh yeah, and also a plain old criminal. But the GOP and his supporters will back him until the bitter end.
But even this aside, I think that both Biden and Trump are too old to be president. Some old people are hale and hearty. But these two are more used up and decrepit.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: Why was Buttigieg in Afghanistan?
Bill K
@NotMax: Naval soldiers have been mixing with the Army since Vietnam. It stems from the fact that the Navy has had nothing to do since WWII, so they push for their troops to get involved in conflicts far from the ocean.
patrick II
There is a type of false equivalence created by using general terms. For instance, Obama had a policy of removing immigrant children from their parents and so does Trump. Both things are true, but you don’t read very often, or repeat it as often as Trump and his minions repeat it was an Obama policy. It is the policy of every type of enforcement agency, state, local, or federal police or immigration agents to separate children who are suspected to be in danger for various reasons, most often suspicion of drugs or child trafficking. In Obama’s case that was three or four children a year because of danger to the child, in Trump’s case thousands a year not because of existent danger to the child but to put the child in danger of reasons of intimidation from purposely and egregiously harming children. But from Republicans — they both took children away from their parents. It is a policy Trump inherited from Obama, and in the false equivalent general sense, the same words are each true.
So, Trump says things that are not true all of the time about important matters. Climate change, Kim Jung Un is a great guy, Duarte is a great guy, we aren’t going to have larger deficits, immigrant children are being cared for (even though the latest is he is sending very ill children home to their death.)
And Joe Biden tells an old war story. In a general sense, neither man is telling the factual truth. But, though those words are true, that generality hides the truth of Trump’s insidious and important lies that harm us all compared to a guy telling old war stories.
Part of the problem is the press repeats the story of Joe over and over again as a “balance” of their reporting on Trump. They are idiots. And no matter how much you like Biden (and I like him but won’t vote for him in primaries) it is harder now for an old storyteller in today’s environment because of a psychotic liar in the presidency and the media’s inability to be precise and factual rather than general and “balanced”.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
The case is on hold while the judge considers the brief filed by Abraham J Simpson, Esq
mrmoshpotato
@Baud:
ETA: that is a Democrat.
catclub
@Bill K: It was a Navy Seal Team that went from Afghanistan to Pakistan to get Bin Laden.
NotMax
@Jim, Foolish Literalist
Believe the Latin legal term for that is de manuris equus.
;)
Duane
@Baud: It’s one of the problems I have with Biden. Our sick media will take a Biden misstatement, a Trumpov lie, and both sides the hell out of it.
Mary G
O/T: Does anybody have a source for CBD oil gelcaps online that don’t cost an arm and a leg? My dealer retired and a good place I found online just disappeared without warning. I wasn’t sure how much good they were doing me until I stopped using them.
debbie
@Brachiator:
Agreed. Somehow it seems like a step backward to go with Joe.
raven
@NotMax: Seals do a lot of work on the ground there. Buttigieg was a Navy Officer there.
raven
@Mary G: See if they have any
Lazarus Naturals
https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/shop/capsules/cbd-100-mg
wasabi gasp
Floridians should bring a class action suit against Trump for not nuking Dorian. Rachet up the crazy. #dorianspuppet
AThornton
Looking good for McCready in the NC Do-Over.
Baud
@mrmoshpotato:
Right. That’s what I meant.
suffragettecity
Seriously why the hell did he think he should run? Looking across the aisle there is no comity. That’s become a goddamn pipe dream. Joe could have been the beloved uncle statesman, but no . I don’t need a guy just a few years older than I saying he can take Trump on physically. REALLY? This is what I’m supposed to vote for ? Two old dudes duking it out? Not that it wouldn’t make hysterically funny great TV which I watch less and less of. And those Republicans he speaks so fondly of are lying to his face if he thinks they’ll come around. Bull hockey. What’s also pissing me off is how the msm keep pushing him..that stinks. Makes me think he’s being touted as the white man’s saviour..also bull hockey.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: A guy I work with is a retired navy E-8. He is a logistics guy. He was running warehouse facilities in both A-stan and Iraq in the 2000s.
Baud
@suffragettecity:
Well, until people wise up to Bernie, I’m glad he’s in it.
Baud
@Duane:
They’ll beat Pocahontas to death if it’s Warren. There’s no real escape.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I know Biden isn’t malicious, but I’m bothered by his mangled story. I want the D president who replaces Trump in 2021 (god willing) to be careful with their words, careful with the truth, careful with our trust. Biden does not seem like the so-called safe choice to me.
debbie
@Baud:
I think that depends on how she responds to Trump’s using it if and when they’re face to face.
Duane
@Anonymous At Work: Gabbard must have felt the need for another nail in her coffin. Same for Sarandon. Who cares what she thinks.
Baud
@debbie:
She might be able to overcome it, but nothing she can do will get the media off of it.
patrick II
Open Thread so:
Today the internet made my life so much easier once again. I visited Wire and they had a nice Labor Day subscription deal of $5 for a year. So, I hit the subscribe button and used PayPal to pay. So PayPal sends them my old home address, which I removed as the primary a year ago, Wired’s first login refused my new password, and then locked me out. Then when I tried to login again it asked for my account number, which didn’t happen because they hadn’t sent it to me in an email yet and it had not been on the receipt screen, then I called PayPal and straightened that out, called Wired, and straightened the address out, and was told that my account was straightened out and to just log into Wired as a new subscription, which I did, but it still asked for my account number, called Wire back… etc. I am finally on now. I remember when you picked up the card from the floor, signed it, clicked the bill me later box and in a while you got your magazine. So, the ease of the internet cost me a couple of hours today, plus whatever time you have spent reading this gripe. Sorry, had to share.
NotMax
@Mary G
Cannot speak as to price comparison but will mention that this place gets excellent reviews. Also will say that stopped in a brick and mortar store of this company when in NY and was most impressed with the professionalism of the staff (although was taken somewhat aback to learn the store does not accept cash).
Major Major Major Major
@Mary G:
If it’s real and you’re buying it online, it’s not gonna be cheap. If you live in a legalization state, the stuff you can get in dispensaries is cheaper.
Baud
@Anonymous At Work:
People may not remember, but a lot of the angst about DWS and the rigging of the 2016 primary was based on Gabbard’s allegations.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/tulsi-gabbard-debbie-wasserman-shultz-debate-limit/index.html
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
McFadden is a Trump appointee. He should have recused. Period.
Duane
@Baud: You’re right of course. What the media did to Clinton was shameful, but Biden’s a daily gaffe machine. Having to constantly explain yourself over unforced errors is no way to run a campaign.
Betty
Agree that Biden will not make a good general election candidate. He has a certain disconnect from reality. It may not be at all intentional but still troubling.
Betty Cracker
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: For fuck’s sake. So a Trump-appointed judge blocks congressional oversight of Trump. How conveeeeeeeenient.
NotMax
@Betty Cracker
“Like
sandsewage through an hourglass, these are the days of our lives.” //debbie
@Baud:
Point taken.
debbie
@Duane:
I’m troubled by its closeness to Hillary’s story about running across a runway in a war zone. Déja vu all over again.
Sure Lurkalot
I can see the avuncular in Joe, but I also see arrogance and condescension. I’m a broken glass voter but I would prefer almost all those to be in the pending debate over him. My spouse rails about my bouts of ageism, but he has lost the vigor he had not all that long ago as VP. I’m not sure I truly understand the depth of his popularity.
Oklahomo
@patrick II: PayPal tried to verify my bank account with the send 2 small ACH deposits, then remove. My bank won’t display them on the website if they come in and out that quickly. But then suddenly a new button appears on PayPal that just lets them do an online check as if I was logging in. Worked like a charm. IOstead of waiting 2 – 3 days for transactions that won’t display. Frustrating.
TenguPhule
@Elizabelle:
You expect ethics from someone Trump nominated?
Mnemosyne
I still can’t manage to get myself worked up about Biden, because he ain’t gonna be the nominee. He drops out by December, maybe even by Thanksgiving.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Hasn’t she been dead for a while?
OTOH: I hear she’s doing great work and getting recognized more and more each day.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA: She’s just pining for the fjords.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
Well shit, he’s gonna be there at least through the New Year’s then.
C Stars
@Baud: Maybe. At that same time, it’s a little bit tired and it’s kinda all he’s got. If he lets his acolytes play the whole Pocahontas thing out to its natural conclusion at rallies and suchlike, it’ll only help to underscore his undeniable racism and vulgarity (something his campaign may or may not appreciate). In any case, she seems to have weathered that storm–not necessarily gracefully, but weathered nonetheless.
I was just imagining a Warren/Trump debate the other day, after watching her rally in LA. I mean, he’s got “Pocahontas” and “Socialist,” but what else can he hit her with? Obviously he’ll take the easy path of misogyny, but she has such a folksy mom/schoolteacher vibe, it’s hard to imagine that Trump’s typical specious insults would really stick. And she’s just a really charismatic nerd who I can’t imagine being ruffled by Trump’s puerility. They’re like apples and oranges.
It’s hard for me to picture, is what I’m saying. I can pretty much predict what Trump/Biden would look like (shudder), Trump/Harris, Trump/Buttigieg, etc. But a T/W faceoff is harder for me to pin down.
Betty Cracker
@Baud: I understand the rationale, but I’m not so sure Biden is useful as a foil to Sanders. I remember thinking it would be good for Sanders to pull Clinton to the left in 2016. Boy was I wrong about that!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@TenguPhule: A member of the the choir invisible, eh?
Another Scott
Reuters:
Well, that’s Ok then.
:-/
Cheers,
Scott.
jonas
@NotMax: Navy SEALS are technically “sailors” but serve in a lot of places like Iraq and Afghanistan, e.g.
TenguPhule
Must be another day ending in WHY GODS WHY.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Lovely Plumage, eh?
Redshift
@Baud:
There’s going to be something like that for any Democrat. It may be an advantage to know what it is ahead of time, and it being something people are likely to get bored with.
MJS
Biden must withdraw. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. He is coming close to averaging a mistake a day. I do not believe he is a liar. I think he is becoming confused in his old age, and doesn’t seem to recognize, even though it’s been the case for a while now, that everything he says is being recorded. He seems to think he’s just out there pressing the flesh and telling stories, and if those stories are embellished a little, or he gets a little confused about some of the facts, oh well, the people he’s talking to know what he means. I don’t believe the media will try to portray him as a liar. Instead, they’ll portray him as “confused, doddering old Joe”. He will be deadly for us in the general election.
TenguPhule
@MJS:
Tell the fucking people getting polled to stop making him the front runner then.
NotMax
@TenguPhule
You also could virtually call it an artichoke. And be equally correct.
:)
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
I just don’t want Bernie to be the front runner. He probably would be for a little while if Biden dropped out.
jonas
While it’s true that Biden is not bullshitting and lying at anywhere near Trumpian levels, he is clearly showing his age and making embarrassing verbal blunders on a nearly daily basis now. I have a feeling he’s eventually going to say something really offensive/inaccurate/unhinged and that will be it for him. My bet is that the primary eventually comes down to Harris vs. Warren.
MJS
@TenguPhule: I do my best, but my list is incomplete.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Mnemosyne: You’re giving me hope here. What are you thinking will lead to Biden dropping within the next two or three months?
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Burnishing his credentials so that he could run for political office? Not that there is anything wrong with that.
dmsilev
Huh.
(Washington Post breaking news banner)
Getting to be a lot of those retirements.
Raven
Navy soldiers, sheesh. Ever hear of the Brown Water Navy? Mobile Riverine Force? The fucking Marine Corps????
Jeffro
BC:
Yeah, but…it’s every Dem’s job to point out the constant double-standard in the media, no matter who the nominee ends up being and no matter what she says. That is on us and we need to take it seriously when talking with fellow Dems, blessed “independents”, or trumpublican losers. Now more than ever, we need to point it out and point it out and point it out some more.
Joe Biden could gaffe his way through two straight terms, every single day, and it still wouldn’t do 1/100th the damage that Mr. $100M Golf Tab is doing to our country’s economy, national security, and unity.
Kamala Harris, Liz Warren…they’re going to say something at some point that isn’t 100% on target. It’s up to us to point out to a trumpov-weary, perhaps trumpov-normalizing country that he is and always has been a threat (our own president*, a threat to the country!) and that an off-target comment or story by our candidate doesn’t mean jack shit compared to his lies.
low-tech cyclist
My wife and son and I have been on Anna Maria Island this week (back to Maryland tomorrow morning), and that’s the state of affairs here right now. Not to mention thunder and lightning that’s all but right on top of us. Kaboom!
Raven
@schrodingers_cat: So. You figure he just flew in there on his own to “burnish” something?
Mnemosyne
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I think his family is going to pressure him to do it, and they’ll probably bring in some political friends as well.
The stumbling block is that he is the front runner right now and he probably thinks he has a duty to keep going, but I just don’t think he has the stamina, and that’s going to be obvious even to him by Thanksgiving.
J R in WV
@NotMax:
They call them SEALS, I thot maybe you heard of them?… ?
TenguPhule
So Gabbard is promising not to run as an independent when she loses.
Hopefully she’s telling the truth this time.
TenguPhule
@J R in WV:
Big fat furry things that swim in the sea and steal fish from our nets? Low energy, sad. //
Mnemosyne
@Raven:
I haven’t been following the story, so I assumed that Mayor Pete had gone there recently for a political visit and that Biden was referring to that, not to Mayor Pete’s stint in Afghanistan while he was still in the Navy. A political visit like that is where the “burnishing” would come in.
J R in WV
@Yarrow:
Have a friend who got a box-end wrench in his tire, destroyed it. Then not long after, he got a spark plug in another tire. Also ruined. The wrench lasted better than the spark plug, which was really worn out by the time he got to the tire shop.
Raven
@Mnemosyne: It’s called “grip and grin”.
MisterForkbeard
@TenguPhule: I saw an article on that yesterday. I hope that she not only sticks to it but doesn’t flip out and try to deligitimize the entire party when she (and her preferred candidate) lose.
debbie
@schrodingers_cat:
That seems a bit unfair. Are you suggesting Mayor Pete has been scheming for at least 10 years to ascend to the Office of the President?
schrodingers_cat
@Raven: He chose a job that would advance a his career goals. Did I say he went alone?
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
Follow the links back. It’s his original service, not any later visit.
Raven
From 2006
schrodingers_cat
@debbie: Well he did run for Mayor in 2011, I said political office not President. He joined Navy Reserves in 2009.
ETA: I like that he is ambitious and works towards a goal. Those are great qualities to have.
Elizabelle
@Mnemosyne: That’s what I think too re Biden. He is a placeholder.
If he takes out Saint Bernard, a grateful nation will owe him thanks, and a peaceful retirement. I think it is happening.
Raven
@schrodingers_cat: At least you are consistent.
TenguPhule
@MisterForkbeard:
Magic Eight Ball Says: “Outlook not good.”
Gbbalto
@Yarrow: Roofing nails account for my last 2 flats. They are bastards. Last one was out of sight like yours, lastest 50 miles, then blew out on I-95.
Kay
@Baud:
Thanks. I did not know that. I’m convinced she’s working for conservatives- whether national or international I do not know but she’s not right.
PsiFighter37
@Mnemosyne: I want whatever you are smoking. The person leading the race for the nomination in basically every poll that has been out, by double digits, will be out in less than 3 months? Reality check, please…
PsiFighter37
@TenguPhule: She has no political future in Hawaii if she torpedoes the Democrat nominee, so this sounds about right. That won’t stop her from piping up and saying stupid shit, though.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I read somewhere that Hindu fundamentalists were funding her too.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat: That, of course, is why everyone joins the military. In any case, my comment was intended to point out that navy personnel assigned to a landlocked country is not as unusual as it might seem at first glance.
schrodingers_cat
@Raven: What do you mean? Consistent about what?
J R in WV
@Raven:
Come on, Raven! Marines aren’t sailors, they’re Jarheads!!
BC in Illinois
@dmsilev:
John Shimkus ! (R – bottom of the barrel) !
When the Mark Foley e-mails came to light, Shimkus was the Republican member with oversight of the congressional pages.
He kept the whole matter inside the Republican family.
In retrospect, he “regretted” this.
Good to see him go.
BC (used to be in) Illinois
ETA – info from Wikipedia, from which all knowledge flows, and from my memory of that whole sleazy mess
Elizabelle
Regarding news from across the pond: I was delighted to see former Tory PM John Major call Boris Johnson out. Proud of Mr. Major, who has always been a classy guy, Tory that he is. Country over party, and he is on record on it.
I do wonder if the Queen and her associates have been chatting up some of the former British leaders, since she herself must appear nonpolitical. Elizabeth has to be horrified at what’s going on (and what is not happening, cowards, cowards all around).
WaPost website:
Raven
@Omnes Omnibus: You forgot the snark tag. The swift boat motherfuckers loved to say that shit abut Kerry.
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Or any other profession for that matter. But no other profession gets the automatic deference that a career in the military gets.
Raven
@J R in WV: another of the dumb statements
Raven
@schrodingers_cat: and you ask “consistent about what”. Come on.
Raven
@schrodingers_cat: Tell us how you feel about the New York Times? England?
JPL
@Raven: That sickened me and calling them motherfuckers is kind.
schrodingers_cat
@Raven: I liked their 1619 project. I am a fan of both cricket and tea.
ETA: I am teasing, but you are right. I do tend to get on my high horse about stuff.
Cacti
I share your concern, Betts.
Remember when Biden claimed a fictitious Native American ancestry, then got a DNA test to try and prove it?
Wait, that was Warren.
But Remember the time when he reminisced about listening to Snoop Dog and Tupac, years before they cut their first albums?
Wait, that was Harris.
But those are different, right? Because of reasons. ;-)
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
Corporate CEOs. Farmers. Republican Legislators.
Another Scott
@NotMax: Why did the Navy have a Naval Air station in Kansas?
Navy people serve everywhere, especially these days, and have for a long time.
Cheers,
Scott.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
Lol. You’re great and I for one don’t care if you loathe the queen :)
Quinerly
This is a must. Randy Rainbow’s latest re Trump. “Cheeto Christ Super Czar”
https://youtu.be/gW2SEpWWqXM
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
History’s greatest monster. //
Baud
@Cacti:
The Snoop Dog story is fake. It’s based on a confusing back and forth with the radio host she was taking to.
Cacti
@Baud:
It was a clumsy pander is what it was.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: Elizabeth II is alright, the queen I don’t like is Victoria.
You were my favorite FPer and are one of my favorite commenters.
TenguPhule
Just in from Wapo. Now they’re going after the USDA’s 2020 dietary guidelines.
low-tech cyclist
@jonas:
I’m less certain of it than you are, but that would be my fervent hope. Wilmer doesn’t belong in the White House, and Biden just doesn’t have game anymore. But I’d be happy with either Warren or Harris as the nominee.
I’d also like to see it come down to Warren and Harris because, did you see that clip where they ran into each other on the campaign trail? The good feeling between them was obvious. I’d like to see it come down to two candidates who genuinely like and respect each other, who argue policy (and perhaps even each persuade the other on a few points – wouldn’t that be a new thing under the sun?) without any cheap shots or personal animosity.
I would totally love that.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
Who is still dead.
Baud
@Cacti:
Your point that everyone misspeaks is correct, but I don’t see evidence that that was an example.
Cacti
@Baud:
The alternative explanation is that Harris was smoking weed and listening to Tupac and Snoop while working as a prosecutor.
Which is much, much worse.
JAFD
Was a former USN officer, name of Brownfield, wrote pretty good book, _My Nuclear Family_, largely about his year with the US mission in Baghdad.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
Agreed. They were horrible. Mayor Pete is a phenom, though. There’s no way the mayor of South Bend should be in the top five, and yet there he is. He’s a politically talented centrist, and there’s room for one of those in the D party. Of course he’s ambitious- they all are.
Baud
@Cacti:
No, the alternative explanation is that the host asked her two separate questions at the same time and there was confusion about which one her answer related to.
Unless you prefer right wing spins.
Bill Arnold
The Very Best history of the Emu War, thread(s):
low-tech cyclist
@Cacti:
One big reason is that there aren’t a couple of those each week for either Warren or Harris, the way there are with Biden.
trollhattan
@TenguPhule:
And an awesome song.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
Are you fucking serious. This pisses me off as a nursing student. Consuming too much sodium is a problem in this country, especially for people with CHF and hypertension. I mean, this is proven science. This is derangement. Why fuck with the USDA’s dietary guidelines? Since when is eating too much red meat and sodium liberal propaganda?
Cacti
@Baud:
And, we’re done here.
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Yes.
I refer you to Cleek’s law. Because they can.
Baud
@Cacti:
If your going to lie like Fox News, we are done here.
Mary G
@raven: Looks good, thanks. They even offer a discount for disability.
@NotMax: Somewhat more than I was paying, but not as astronomical pricing as I had been seeing. So two good alternative sources, thank you.
@Major Major Major Major: South Orange County where I live has successfully kept dispensaries out, so it’s hard to arrange. My housemate bought me some in Anaheim, but it wasn’t good. I guess you get what you pay for.
Thanks to all of you!
Mary G
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Since the fast food president makes everything about himself.
Cacti
@Baud:
Keep polishing that turd. ;-)
Baud
@Cacti:
Keep spreading right wing memes.
Calouste
@Elizabelle: Major has been talking about taking the government to court over Brexit for a while, so it’s not surprising. Quite a few prominent former members of Thatcher’s cabinet (Major, Heseltine, Clarke) have been very vocally against a no-deal or even Brexit all together.
JPL
Has anyone told Betty it’s not a cooter. It’s a turtle. geez
Chyron HR
@Cacti:
What possesses a man to become a fanatical slavering Bidenbro? I mean, at least Bernie has a vision for the country, as comically unrealistic as it may be.
Mandalay
@Elizabelle:
Is that you, Edwina?…
Classy guy.
Cacti
@Chyron HR:
Could you explain why it took the favorite candidate of Balloon-Juice until age 46 to figure out that Republicans suck?
Asking for a friend. ;-)
zhena gogolia
God willing, neither Biden nor Sanders will be the nominee.
Then maybe these arguments can stop.
Betty Cracker
@Cacti: Not familiar with the details of the Harris incident; will have to consult a reliable source, i.e., an account other than yours. As for Warren, she fucked up, and she apologized for it. That’s what you’re supposed to do when you fuck up — apologize and set the record straight.
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
OMG, Tupac-Gate!
I haven’t read the whole thread yet but this is so depressing.
J R in WV
@TenguPhule:
Generalissimo Francisco Franco is Still Dead, says reports from Spain!!
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: He is pretty talented, I agree. At the second debate I found myself nodding to a couple of he things he said. But the fangirling in the media and the comment section about PB especially about speaking multiple languages a couple of months ago was a bit hard to take.
As someone who spent their childhood in India I know regular people who speak many languages. For national level politicians its a job requirement pretty much to be able to give speeches in multiple languages.
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker:
In the Harris clip, there are two guys asking her questions at once. She answers one of them about what she “listens to.”
Kelly
@Major Major Major Major: @Mary G:
I have no idea if it’s any good but here in Oregon my grocery store started carrying CBD capsules this summer. Also several large hemp fields in the area with prominent signs that it’s not gonna get you high.
Cacti
@Betty Cracker:
Yes, she was very sorry that her DNA test made her look like a fool.
A Ghost To Most
@zhena gogolia: “God willing” is what got us into this mess to begin with. “God” should sit down and STFU.
Another Scott
@A Ghost To Most: Twitter:
Cheers,
Scott.
StringOnAStick
@Another Scott: My grandfather was a captain in the US Navy. After amazingly surviving his Atlantic tours he was assigned to command a training base for creating new mechanics, cooks and ship maintenance personnel in….Dearborn, MI for the last 4 years of WWII.
Elizabelle
@Mandalay: You sniffed that out, did you?
Omnes Omnibus
@A Ghost To Most: Like I’ve said before, the real problem is fanatics – including fanatical atheists.
zhena gogolia
@Quinerly:
OMG THAT IS FANTASTIC!
sgrAstar
@NotMax: the Navy has plenty of guys and gals in Afghanistan and Iraq. Jsyk.
Ruviana
@schrodingers_cat: But this is America, where people are amazed that someone can speak one language well!
Cacti
@Omnes Omnibus:
Interesting position, counselor.
Can you point me to the acts of terrorist violence being committed by “fanatical atheists” in the present day?
Fair Economist
@dmsilev:
Nothing compared to what we’ll see if McCready wins NC-09. That’s an R+8 district. There are 47 Republican Representatives from districts no more Republican than that. They will never control the House if they can’t win races like that.
Redshift
Ah, the pie filter is a wonderful thing!
Just thought I’d mention that, no particular reason…
A Ghost To Most
@Omnes Omnibus: That stick up your ass is removable, you know.
Oh the horrors of an atheist displaying atheist beliefs on an atheist’s blog.
Fuck all religion. Cure this disease before it cures Earth of us.
StringOnAStick
Hey Betty Cracker, we saw this very cool turtle on Sanibel Island that had a really complex set of patterns on it’s shell, like each rectangle a
had a Viking rune on it or something similar; was I just too drunk from the food and wine festival or is that a type of native turtle?
Elizabelle
@Quinerly: Does Randy write the lyrics too? Talented guy.
Elizabelle
@Redshift:
And the little pie sayings are so entertaining. It is genius.
Quinerly
@Elizabelle: Have no idea. Just heard of him recently. Wasn’t that fantastic?
Mandalay
@Elizabelle:
Hardly. Though obviously unknown to you, Major’s extra-marital affair with Currie is probably as infamous over there as Clinton’s fling with Lewinsky over here.
And there are plenty of other reasons to challenge your absurd claim that Major is a “classy guy”. But if you really think he is “classy”, feel free to explain why.
Quinerly
@zhena gogolia: I watched it 3 times. It really helped me today. Depressing day.
Gvg
@Cacti: I don’t know about the present day, but the French Revolution and the Soviet era had plenty. And I am an atheist. Of course fanatics are a problem. It goes in cycles though. Is this really worth arguing?
debbie
@TenguPhule:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF DOING THAT????
zhena gogolia
@Quinerly: @Elizabelle:
I’m pretty sure he does the whole thing.
MisterForkbeard
@Cacti: Oh, FFS. This has been gone over repeatedly with regard to Harris and Tupac. She was being asked questions by two hosts at the same time and answered the first one, while people like you have decided she was answering the second one.
@Baud: Thank you. Christ, Cacti is such a useless idiot. This is like claiming that Al Gore said he invented the internet, or that Hillary Clinton laughed at jailing children and so on. Horrible, easily disprovable nonsense that nevertheless keeps in circulation because of the right-wing and gullible idiots.
ETA: Even better, Warren’s DNA test showed that she had Native American DNA one generation further back than she thought she did. Way to lie about “fictitious” DNA.
The amazing thing is that you latched onto TWO right-wing generated bullshit scandals, not just one.
Bill Arnold
Just for Cacti:
Foul play unlikely in death of National Enquirer’s Jerry George: cops (Keith J. Kelly, August 20, 2019 )
Mnemosyne
@Cacti:
Yes, how dare a Black AKA who graduated from Howard University pander to her fellow African-Americans? Who does she think she is?
TenguPhule
@debbie:
Because they can. Cleek’s law.
Brachiator
@StringOnAStick:
Mechanics and ship maintenance personnel I can easily understand. Cooks? Takes a moment, but then I guess that the task of efficiently feeding large numbers of people is a very big deal.
As someone who has not served in the military and who knows little about that life, I find these little tidbits to be very fascinating.
Ohio Mom
@zhena gogolia: Yes, Randy does it all himself, in his apartment with his laptop.
He’s very impressive. I hope he is able to make the transition to the post-Trump years successfully.
AM in NC
@Mary G: Not gelcap, but Saving Grace CBD oil has been great for me. They aren’t cheap, but their products are whole plant, grown and processed in Colorado, CO2 extracted (rather than using toxic solvents like butane) and their mg. of CBD per ml. of oil makes them a good value. Oil is in dropper form. Good luck finding a good replacement!
VeniceRiley
@Cacti:
This is a lie. L I E. I listened to that interview live and I know it is a lie. Did I mention it’s a lie?
There was more than one host and they asked 2 slightly different music questions … talking over each other so they do on radio. She was answering one. It’s obvious AF to anyone who has seen it. So go watch it. Or, I dunno. Be a troll if that’s what you want to do with your life on the internet.
Brachiator
@C Stars:
Trump supporters don’t have much imagination. And lazy reporters will play this up because it is easy to do so.
Charismatic nerd. Very interesting turn of phrase, though something of a contradiction, I think.
I agree that this stuff is stupid, but it will come up if Warren is the nominee. And no matter how well she responds, some in the media will try to make more of it than it deserves.
wasabi gasp
It is a bit strange how Warren’s story of poverty brought her to republicanism. Especially considering her fondness for being a woman of color.
Brachiator
@Cacti:
Susan? Susan Sarandon. That you?
Mnemosyne
@wasabi gasp:
I see they’ve put you on the overnight shift, comrade. Did you piss your crew boss off again?
zhena gogolia
@Brachiator:
Susan’s pushing Tulsi today.
Brachiator
Before the thread dies, I must note that this is a very Wry Cooter.
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne: There is a hidden surprise for you on the new website. Well, not exactly for you, but I think you will appreciate it. Unless your tastes have changed in the past few months.
Mnemosyne
@WaterGirl:
Oooh! My tastes rarely change, though they do sometimes rotate.
I can be kind of dense about stuff like that sometimes, though, so be prepared to have to point it out.
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker:
Betty, your way with words is truly a gift. I wish I had the guts to use that on a certain family member of mine. I could maybe pull it off in writing. Maybe.
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne: I could be wrong, but I don’t think I’ll have to point it out. We shall see! :-)
Cacti
As I thought.
Lots of handwaving, prevaricating, and excuse making for the yarns told by the cool kids’ candidates.
LoL
Mnemosyne
@Cacti:
In other words, you can’t recognize right wing propaganda even when other people point out that it’s attached itself to your ass.
Misogyny is a hell of a drug. ?♀️
Cacti
@Mnemosyne:
Maybe if KH hadn’t made a career out of incarcerating black men, she wouldn’t feel the need to make clumsy panders to them.
Just a thought. ;-)
TerryC
@J R in WV: When I left the Navy in the early 70s, I was offered operator (SEAL) status if I re-enlisted. Bonuses that were also offered were (a) splash-down crew for Apollo 13, and (b) training in high-altitude insertion and then underwater placement of a 55-pound nuclear mine based on the Davy Crockett weapon’s.
I didn’t re-enlist because I would have had to go back to Vietnam for a fourth time. Let me tell you, those early SEALs were intense people.