A Much Needed Forceful Statement From Justin Herdman, the US Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio

Justin Herdman, the US Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio, made a blunt, powerful statement today regarding white supremacy and those who adhere to it.

This guy gets it!

Perhaps he can explain it to the President?

Open thread!

62 replies
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    rikyrah says:

    Maddow is doing another segment on the sick migrants that Dolt45 has sentenced to death with the letters sent to them.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    The fact that the guy who threatened the Youngstown Jewish Community Center lives so nearby me (same county) disturbs me, though I shouldn’t be surprised. White supremacy knows no boundaries and can pop up anywhere

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    debbie says:

    He wrote his own post-massacre headline!

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    HyperSphericalCow says:

    “A God-given and inalienable right to be on the losing side of this argument.”

    Oof. I think that this is one of the most powerful vectors of attack against the alt-right/white/whatever – these guys are losers. They are losing. They can thrash around, and do a lot of damage in the process, but so did the OG Nazis in 1944. And look how it turned out for them. We just have to keep up the fight.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Isn’t that like the chicken and the egg?

    Anyway, I really appreciated that Herdman tore down the reactionary interpretation of “free speech” that says they should have the right to an audience.

    Nobody does and it’s not “censorship” to deny a platform to those that preach hatred and encourage violence

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: My understanding is that there is more nuance than Maddow is presenting. Specifically, as reported by MSNBC this afternoon, USCIS has stated that they have handed off this responsibility to ICE because it is ICE that determines who is deported. The problem, as MSNBC reported, is that when asked ICE’s response was “this is the first we’ve heard about this”. Based on MSNBC’s reporting this afternoon, USCIS and ICE are now communicating to ensure the program transitions. Or doesn’t. I’ve got the segment queued up, but the clarification comes in when Velshi brings Julia Ainsley on at the 18 minute mark:

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:
    Free speech ends where sedition begins.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Who draws that line?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    With this President, it’ll all go in one ear and out the other.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Harold. He has the purple crayon.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Stassen is still alive?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Wrong Harold.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    ALL HANDS BRACE FOR IMPACT! Twitter meltdown inbound!!!

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    Spanky says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: The guy that shot up the Pittsburgh synagogue went to my high school. Twenty years after I did, granted. But still ….

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Good question. You’re the lawyer; where is the line?

    I’ve spent too much time with seditious mofos to have an unbiased opinion.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I don’t believe in Nuance with these people. They say that ICE will take over…ICE who hadn’t heard of it. We still don’t have an answer as to why this happened in the first place. There is no nuance. Stop giving them any sliver of the benefit of the doubt. Damn it, how many cruelty related immigration stories have I posted in the past 2 years?

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    NobodySpecial says:

    This attorney is getting fired on Monday, I’ll bet. It would be faster, but Alberto Gonzalez isn’t there anymore.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Saw a good article online yesterday (Google “From Russia With Hate”) that detailed Putin’s efforts to promote right-wing white nationalism here and in Europe and other places scared out of their minds about brown people. Funding parties in about 15 countries on top of the installing Trump in the (very) White House.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    ALL HANDS BRACE FOR IMPACT! Twitter meltdown inbound!!!

    Another day ending in’y’, I see.

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    HalfAssedHomesteader says:

    @Martin: Infiltrated? Ain’t no infiltration when they’re sent embossed invitations.

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    Currants says:

    @Adam L Silverman: ooooh nice one, a classic!

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    Mary G says:

    Herdman is an ex-partner at Jones Day and was appointed by Trump, so I assume a Republican. God for him. You know there’s going to be blowback.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: I’m not saying there is any real nuance here. I’m just indicating that MSNBC is reporting that this is not exactly as the way Maddow is reporting it.

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    Mary G says:

    Withholding inoculations from people locked up in poor conditions is pure evil.

    Mumps has swept through 57 immigration detention facilities in 19 U.S. states since September, health officials say. https://t.co/Jh3qQZD6pP— AP Health & Science (@APHealthScience) August 29, 2019

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NobodySpecial: @Mary G: Someone was asleep at the White House personnel office.

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    Mary G says:

    Moms rule:

    That time @sentedcruz realizes that when he said no to meeting w/@momsdemand, they bought tickets to see him at @WACHouston event. Join the 90% of Americans, sir. #BackgroundChecksNow #ExpectUs pic.twitter.com/ZHalnbI5p2— janeFx (@moderatemama) August 30, 2019

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    Ohio Mom says:

    It’s a marvelous speech but the glaring problem is that law enforcement has more than its share of bigots, misogynists, and yes, white supremicists. And they cover for each other.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Mary G: I saw that earlier. It’s horrible and unforgivable.

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    Uncle Jeffy says:

    @Mary G: Another charge to add to the crimes against humanity charges laid on Trump and Stephen Miller (unless biological warfare has been made legal).

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    joel hanes says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Just have to draw the moon, and then draw a window around it, to go home.

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    Mary G says:

    It happened. I found the perfect TikTok video pic.twitter.com/J89UBZfDkq— Keith Edwards (@keithedwards) August 29, 2019

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    James E Powell says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Agree completely. We have seen many instances of right wing radicals and unapologetic racists in police departments.

    This guy works for the president. I wonder how long he keeps that job. If he really believed a word of what he just said, he’d resign. It’s not like he will go hungry.

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    waratah says:

    We need more people like him standing up. The more people in positions of power that speak up the better it is. Republicans as well as Democrats. Would be better if it was before a threat was made.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Was it William McGurn you were thinking of at the WSJ?

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    ZeeLizzee says:

    Apropos of the original post: the guy saying “we are from 100 countries and of 100 faiths” is WHIE and circled by WHITE GUYS. Just saying….

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @ZeeLizzee: Yes he is. And yes it would have been nice to have had some people of color and women and women of color up there with him. But the statement was excellent.

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    stinger says:

    Outstanding speech. Would have been even stronger had the visuals backed it up. Instead, white male Herdman was backed up by 4 other while males. I wish some thought had been given to that.

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    Jay says:

    Every time there's a new Steve King story I think back to the cowardice of Dems not to push for a censure or straight-up expulsion when they had the chance back in January. He is a ghoulish white supremacist https://t.co/q3uXOLNkdI— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) August 27, 2019

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    Jay says:


    It’s either authentic or it isn’t. Dragooning POC for the visuals isn’t the answer, more diversity is.

    Looking at an old group photo from the late ‘80’s of the tech company I used to work for, less than 50% of the people in the photo were white males.

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    BR says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    In some ways it’s just as strong without a show of visible diversity. The people he’s speaking to — those who need to hear this message — need to see people like those standing on the stage telling them what’s what.

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    Barbara says:

    Youngstown isn’t far from Pittsburgh. All these actions are horrifying but I die a little every time I think of someone shooting elderly members of a synagogue along with two brothers with developmental disabilities, in order to “take it to the enemy,” in the neighborhood where my mother grew up.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Love that book! A staple to read to my son (b 69)

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    stinger says:

    @Jay: I didn’t really want POC dragooned for the visuals. I wanted POC to be a sufficiently integral part of the senior leadership that they’d have been there by right.

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    stinger says:

    @BR: That thought crossed my mind, too. But I’d still like to see diversity on that and every stage.

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    sdhays says:

    @Jay: How the ever loving fuck is Steve Fucking King the Democrats’ fault? JFC, let the fucking Republicans have some fucking agency for once.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Jay: blaming the Democrats for Steve King? Whoever Christopher Mathias is, he can fuck right off.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    @Mary G: Doesn’t mumps make men sterile? Modern ‘giving infected blankets to Native Americans’?

    Way to eliminate groups you are afraid of!

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    Ruckus says:

    I agree. All white faces making this kind of statement…..
    Hard to say that there aren’t whites who agree with this when it’s all white up there. He was after all speaking to an all white, very racist audience and POC up there would just end up a totally turned off message. POC have been delivering this message most of my life and while it’s made a difference, the people who really need to hear it would just totally tune it out with POC up there. It’s unfortunate that it is true but if you want the message to get out it needs to be people in authority, white people in authority, unambiguously saying it. Which is exactly what this was.

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    Ruckus says:

    POC would be a great visual for us, those who have already understood this long ago. We would appreciate the visual and believe it to be better because in a better world that would be better. In the racist world we live in those extreme racists would never hear a word if there were POC up there. I’m not saying that’s proper or right, just that’s the way it is. And even so you aren’t going to change many racist minds with this speech. But it will be better heard by the people who need to hear it most without POC up on that stage. This isn’t you or me saying this, this is the people that racists will have to deal with when they do their shit. That is power speaking to those who revel in power (because the only power they have is hate and guns) and that is all they understand. Bigger power. Power to make their lives more miserable than their already are.

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    Perhaps he can explain it to the President?

    Obligatory Upton Sinclair quote: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary bigotry depends upon his not understanding it.”

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    Jay says:


    So, Whipple, have an advantage.

    Case in point, I have 0 convictions in various protests,

    Consachs has 12, for the same protests.

    I’m white.

    She’s iniginous.

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    Jay says:


    @Steve in the ATL:

    Your vaunted First Estate in action.

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    Sab says:

    @Jay: I like you and your posts, but your spelling sucks. And I am making allowance for the Canadian/Brit aspect.

    Iniginous? Mysoginist?

    Sometimes I can’t even guess what you meant to say.

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    apocalipstick says:

    @Ladyraxterinok: It can, but it’s not a given consequence.

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    Chris Johnson says:

    @Sab: Indigenous

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    bemused says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    So Westerhout is out due to blabbing too much insider WH info but she’s not the first nor last to spill stuff that tick’s off trump. Are the other leakers just better at covering their tracks when talking with journalists?

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    Kathleen says:

    @Martin: I realize thread is dead but I wanted to thank you for this. Mainstream media contribute to this by treating pubs like Breitbart as legit media outlets and using them to attack Dems (“Clinton Cash y’all”, ht HandMag Haberman).

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    artem1s says:

    at least his family isn’t defending him as a ‘good guy’ this time… His mom’s reaction is what I’d like to see more of in these communities.

    “She thought that he had straightened up and got rid of all that stuff, but once she was shown the one video that prompted everything, she just broke down,” the police chief said.

    I hope Herdman’s message is mostly directed at those who radicalized this kid. This isn’t happening in a vacuum. Rural Ohio has been crawling with neo-nazis, white supremacists, radicalized militia, and second amendment kooks for over three decades now. Unfortunately, there will be plenty of Ohio Republicans calling for Herdman’s job today.

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    Tehanu says:


    In some ways it’s just as strong without a show of visible diversity. The people he’s speaking to — those who need to hear this message — need to see people like those standing on the stage telling them what’s what.

    Also @Ruckus:
    Yes. They only listen to white males. They need to see white males who aren’t racist jerks.

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