Open Thread: Speaking of Media Village Idiocies…

Bernie-sympathetic media figure speaks to Sanders supporters, hears what he wants to hear…

All the top campaigns are taking the possibility of a contested convention seriously and have begun wooing the party’s 700-plus super delegates, who thanks to a new rule will only get to weigh in on a nominee if next year’s primaries and caucuses fail to produce a clear winner.

On the sidelines of the DNC meeting, senior campaign aides charged with hunting for delegates could be seen stalking the halls and schmoozing with super delegates into the wee hours of the mornings, keeping close track of lists of people they wanted to connect with in person. Behind the scenes, candidates have been making calls to super delegates for months and took time at the meeting to make the rounds to gatherings of delegates…

The last time Democrats went into their convention without a presumptive nominee already having a majority of delegates was 1984. And you have to go all the way back to 1952 to find the last time it took multiple rounds of ballots to pick the standardbearer.

But this time, it might happen again, according to many of the nearly two dozen state party chairs, DNC members, campaign delegate counters and other officials surveyed here by NBC News, most of whom did not want to speak for the record about the sensitive subject…

While Republican primaries are winner-take-all, Democrats’ are not. Any candidate who gets at least 15 percent of the vote can earn delegates from a primary or caucus, so its not uncommon for candidates to split each state’s delegate haul.

Some worry that the first four states (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina) will deliver a split decision, and California and other Super Tuesday states will fracture, giving multiple candidates a reason to stay in the contest and the money to do so, thanks to energized grassroots donors…

BREAKING NEWS: Professionals prepare for possible outcomes, no matter how slim the chances.

The actual “news” here, IMO, is that Bernie Sanders will once again hang on until & after the convention, even after it’s mathematically impossible for him to win, even if that means guaranteeing a Repub win. Or, if you prefer to be as kind as possible, Sanders’ staff and supporters intend to keep Bernie in the race until & after the convention, because that’s where their checks & egoboo are. This is my (not hardly) shocked face, people.

203 replies
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    Baud says:

    I’m still worried about faithless electors.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Baud: As with every other ‘unpredictable’ factor in this race, we need a popular-vote win big enough to keep the ‘faithless electors’ in line.

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    Gozer says:

    I didn’t like Wilmer after his sand his surrogates’ behavior in 2016, but my feelings on them now is approaching a searing disgust. It’s like they’re trying to do to the party what Nixon and his ilk did to the country, split it in half and claim to represent the bigger half.

    They’re too stupid to see that half the country isn’t buying what they’re selling. Half the party isn’t either.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Bernie Sanders will once again hang on until & after the convention, even after it’s mathematically impossible for him to win

    The primary’s not over until the electoral college votes!

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    HinTN says:

    @Baud: You keep right on worrying, sweetheart. 💋

    Fixed stupid autocorrect

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    Ugh. I just can’t deal with this today.

    Between the racist asshole dogging me on facebook claiming that “blacks are the most privileged group in the united states” to hearing about Conservatives deciding to smear journalists who aren’t friendly to Trump, to my account at online store getting hacked (didn’t purchase anything or get CC info, but COULD have gotten my name, address, birthday and phone number) this day is just the fucking pits.

    Well, that AND discovering my daughter had a fever right after telling her we could go to the bakery, triggering a massive melt-down when we decided we couldn’t go. Just lovely.

    Wait, I DO have something to say that’s on topic: If Sander’s sticks around until the convention despite being 3rd or 4th place, he can go fuck himself. ETA: I should be clear that this applies to any candidate. If Sanders did it and was wooing superdelegates he gets an extra share of scorn for the hypocrisy and not learning from 2016, but any candidate who didn’t learn that lesson needs to get themselves out of the race right now.

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    Baud says:


    And not ratfucked us.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Block the asshole on Facebook. You can do it even if he isn’t in your friends list.

    And your kid was probably going to have a meltdown at some point if she has a fever, so at least you got it over with early? 🤷‍♀️

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Blood-gargling NRA ghoul says what?

    It always makes me laugh when you try to convince people you’re not a paid troll.

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    Natalia says:

    I can’t read you any longer Anne. I don’t like Bernie. I voted for Hillary and now I’m Warren (or Harris) all the way. But your obession with Bernie shields your cult like avoidance to address the true orange shitgibbon enablers, Nancy Pelosi and other mainstream Dems who have done nothing to maintain the 2018 enthusiasm. Impeach the mothetfucker to get the domocrats out to vote! Show some spine! Bernie is becoming more and more irrelevant. But feckless Nancy is gonna lose it for us.

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    JPL says:

    @Mnemosyne: Where’d Wilmer go? It’s time for even the front pagers to resurrect him

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    SFAW says:


    to address the true orange shitgibbon enablers, Nancy Pelosi and other mainstream Dems who have done nothing to maintain the 2018 enthusiasm. Impeach the mothetfucker to get the domocrats out to vote! Show some spine! Bernie is becoming more and more irrelevant. But feckless Nancy is gonna lose it for us.

    You forgot to chastise all the other neoliberal sellouts in the Democrat Party

    ETA: As in naming names: Tom Perez, Bob LaFollette, Adlai Stevenson, Gus Hall, Teddy Kennedy.

    And don’t forget that Hitlary was the worst candidate since Mario Mendoza

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    HinTN says:

    Jesus, the trolls are out. Be merciful, kill the thread.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Mnemosyne: All good points.

    @HinTN: @SFAW: Wow, going after ‘mainstream Dems’ as Trump Enablers is about as ass backwards as I could imagine. Between this one and the other perpetual troll I’m kind of impressed.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @HinTN: you have senatorial hair—you should do it!

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    JPL says:

    So Axios is telling me that trump wants to nuke hurricanes. Interesting.

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    @JPL: Stable genius, that one.

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    JPL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: He’s a horse’s ass that’s for sure. He forgot where ideas originate.

    This is the link

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    Immanentize says:

    He is so desparate to use nuclear weapons.
    how long we’ve known and why that is stoooopeeed.

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    SFAW says:


    Wow, going after ‘mainstream Dems’ as Trump Enablers is about as ass backwards as I could imagine.

    Here, let me expand your imagining:

    “YOU are the real racist for calling out racists”
    “Liberals are the REAL fascists”
    “Shitgibbon is so successful BECAUSE he lost $1-plus Billion on his businesses”
    and so on.

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    Yarrow says:

    My preferred outcome would be for Wilmer to fade out of the campaign. Keep dropping in the polls, not get very many votes in Iowa or NH. He certainly won’t be top tier in SC. Then struggle to keep going from there. Just keep fading away.

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    I’ve noticed that ‘I don’t like Bernie’ has become the pass phrase that anti-Democratic Party ratfuckers use to try and pretend they’re delivering criticisms of the party from within.

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    Mart says:

    Comrade Wilmer has to inject maximum harm to Democrats to stay on Putin’s payroll.

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    SFAW says:

    “I can’t read you any more, Anne Laurie, because you make TOO much sense, and the points about Bernie are TOO spot-on. So I’m going to pretend that Bernie (and Jill Stein and Russia and so on) had NOTHING to do with Trump being in the WH, and that, now, Moscow Mitch would do WHATEVER Nancy Pelosi told him to do — IF ONLY SHE WOULD, BUT SHE’S A CORP-O-DEM!”

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @SFAW: Didn’t Jonah Goldberg write an acclaimed book about one of those points? :)

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Yarrow: If current trends continue, that’s basically what’s going to happen. He’ll be behind Biden and Warren (and possibly Harris, that would be nice).

    Difficult to pretend to be the front runner when you’re in 3rd or 4th and your approval ratings are starting to drop as more people get a look at you.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    Was hoping to get the jackals’ opinions on a DNC survey I got in the mail recently, as well as an over to donate some money to the DNC for membership. I liked the message Perez and his team was trying to send (we can win in lots of places if we have the funding and commit to the progressive message we had in 2018). My first question: 1: is it worth it to become a member? I don’t want to get tons of junk mail from them or anybody else. 2: My father and I share the same name except for our middle names. I’m not sure if its meant for him or myself. Would it matter?

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    zhena gogolia says:


    It’s kind of like “I don’t like the NRA, but — a magazine is not a cartridge,” or whatever.

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    Yarrow says:

    @MisterForkbeard: I’d be super happy if he were behind Biden, Warren, Harris, Beto, Mayor Pete, Booker and even someone unexpected like Klobuchar. Like, make it really clear how Democratic primary voters feel about him.

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    Mart says:

    @JPL: The last (a recent) hurricane dropped down to the Gulf from Tennessee, not North Africa. The hoax from China might make targeting the nukes a bit trickier.

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    JPL says:

    @Immanentize: Did you know his uncle knew nukes and understood the power of the nukes. In fact he was a genius of stable proportions.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I wish the non-Democratic would-be candidates would disappear: Tulsi, Wilmer, and–if he’s still even running–Schultz.

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    Being this is an open thread…apparently the new Apple Titanium(it’s actually made from titanium) credit card discolors if it comes in contact with denim or leather and the discoloration will not wash off. They also warn you not to store it with other regular ol’ plastic credit cards since it will scratch.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:


    Honestly, I’m not convinced campaigning more in Wisconsin would have been able to overcome the combined effects of GOP voter suppression and Russian interference

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    Yarrow says:

    One for MomSense:

    Lobster-loving China has now turned to Canada, hurting the American lobster industry based largely out of Maine— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) August 25, 2019

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    SFAW says:


    Didn’t Jonah Goldberg write an acclaimed book about one of those points?

    Well, he’s listed as the author of a book dealing with one of those. Not sure about that adjective you added, however

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    1: is it worth it to become a member?

    What does it get you? I suspect, *bupkis*. And I wouldn’t give ’em $$, either. Donate to candidates directly. That’s what I do. And …. well, it’s too late for you, you’re on all the mailing-lists. Get some mail-filter rules going, and you’ll have a nice pile of bulk email to clear out once a month.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: You made me laugh – at the minute I need to laugh.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mart: Tennessee, huh? Red states are assholes even when it’s just weather.

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    M31 says:

    if we need a new name for Wilmer, how’s about Shouty McFucker? oh wait, might be ambiguous
    How about Shouty McFucker Not A Democrat? oops
    How about Shouty McFucker Not a Democrat Pushed by Putin?


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    SFAW says:


    Lobster-loving China has now turned to Canada, hurting the American lobster industry based largely out of Maine— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) August 25, 2019

    Bayley’s Lobstah #1: “Which way to China?”
    Bayley’s Lobstah #2: “You can’t get theah from heah”

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    dmsilev says:


    So Axios is telling me that trump wants to nuke hurricanes. Interesting.

    He should ask his own damn government about whether that’s a good idea:

    Subject: C5c) Why don’t we try to destroy tropical cyclones by nuking them ?
    Contributed by Chris Landsea (NHC)
    During each hurricane season, there always appear suggestions that one should simply use nuclear weapons to try and destroy the storms. Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea.

    I know, I know, that whole “expertise” thing and “science” and “knowledge”, so overrated.

    (Though someone named “Chris Landsea” was pretty much fated from birth to study hurricanes)

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    There’s a brush fire along the Obama Highway here in town, I blame Obama.

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    dmsilev says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Seems logical enough.

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    zhena gogolia says:



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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: The other dumb thing about DIDNT CAMPAIN IN SCONSIN is that she campaigned in Pennsylvania and Ohio constantly and still lost those, one narrowly, one, not. Why would campaigning in Wisconsin guarantee a win in the state? Sheer nonsense.

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    glory b says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Of course it wouldnt have. No one who indulges in that Wisconsin whine can explain why Feingold, who spent THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN in Wisconsin didn’t win either.
    The whine conveniently ignores the rampant voter suppression there.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Chetan Murthy:

    That’s what I normally do, just donate via ActBlue to candidates. I think I’ll at least fill out the survey, for whatever good that will do.

    Just saw this moronic headline:

    Kudlow does not expect China to retaliate against Trump’s latest tariffs despite Beijing’s latest warnings

    As others have said, it’s true the PRC has taken advantage of our trading relationship and stolen IP for their state firms, but this is the dumbest way to combat it. However, I expect the PRC government to collapse sometime in the next 30 years. Xi’s centralization efforts have weakened the regime by reducing it’s flexibility. Imagine the coming challenges from climate change.

    Unless we change our nation structurally, that could happen to us as well

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    Zinsky says:

    Bernie and Biden both need to just go away. Too damn old. Period.

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    Chetan Murthy says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    However, I expect the PRC government to collapse sometime in the next 30 years.

    Hope you’re not betting any $$ on that. If there’s one thing that the current rulers of China have, it is a long/long/long memory. They know China’s history, both ancient and recent, and they know that revolutions and regime collapses inevitably end with rulers getting “shortened”. And they’re survivalists. They’ll be -ruthless- in fighting for survival. Nothing like that weakling Gorbachev, in short.

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    @Chetan Murthy: One thing is Xi has been consolidating power, the question would be about a plan for succession*. He’s not going to live forever.

    *Same thing applies to Putin and Russia.

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    different-church-lady says:


    Block the asshole on Facebook.


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    chris says:

    @Yarrow: I don’t need to read about the lobster season I just look at the pickup trucks. There are a LOT of new trucks this year here in southwest Nova Scotia. The lobster fishers had an excellent year and figure it will last forever as all booms do. They don’t want to hear about warming oceans and the Chinese buying the industry out from underneath them.

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    the true orange shitgibbon enabler, Nancy Pelosi

    You’re usually more subtle, Doug.

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    this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds

    Ah. Something clicks together in my head.

    Trump is actively anti-environmentalist. As the spiteful, whiny little shit that he is, he has decided that environmentalism is inherently wrong. Why does he have so much trouble understanding why not to use nukes in war? He doesn’t believe in fallout. Why would he float the idea of nuking hurricanes? He doesn’t believe in fallout.

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    @Frankensteinbeck: But he does believe that the sound of windmills causes cancer*.

    *This is why I keep the volume on the audio system in my car cranked up when I drive past the windmills headed to Joshua Tree and Red Rock.

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    chris says:

    Welcome to Murka, well-known CBC reporter!

    Guys, I’ve been refused entry into US. Sections 212 (a) (7) (A) (i) (I). Me going to DC is “entry into the labor” market and I’d be “imported labor”. I’ve never been pulled aside at a US border let alone refused entry.— carolyn dunn (@carolyndunncbc) 25 August 2019

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    New kid. Less time for fine crafting.

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    randy khan says:

    If I were a top campaign aide, I’d definitely have somebody in a room thinking about contingency plans for a brokered convention, and of course every single candidate should be chatting up superdelegates as part of that contingency planning.

    BUT anyone who thinks a brokered convention is probable hasn’t studied the math of delegate allocation and/or doesn’t understand what happens to the contribution stream once a candidate starts ranking up 4ths and even 3rds in primaries and caucuses. If the national polls today accurately predicted Iowa, only Biden, Sanders, and Warren would get delegates, and Biden would get nearly half of them.

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    SFAW says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    You’re usually more subtle, Doug.

    Hmm. Hadn’t considered that. But are you sure he has enough time these days? What with the kid and all? [Yeah, yeah, I know, trolling comes as easy as breathing to him, but still …]

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    chris says:

    More serious than I realised.

    Yikes. If everyone began interpreting the rules that way it would mean no foreign agencies could, ever, send reporters for a major breaking event. Like, say, an election or shock event like a 9/11. Would be a game-changer for global coverage of US stories, if this were new policy— Alexander Panetta (@Alex_Panetta) 25 August 2019

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    @randy khan: Yes, but the thoughts of a brokered convention get the media’s naughty bits all a tingly.

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    jl says:

    @dmsilev: Thanks for the link. I was going to get that, but you beat me to it.

    @Frankensteinbeck: OTOH! All you gotta do is bust out a > 10 mg explosion every 20 minutes or so, and the hurricane might notice it after awhile! And didn’t Trump want to increase the US nuclear bomb arsenal by a factor of 10? And if humanity keeps its physical fitness energy batteries charged up by not exercising at all, then we should all be OK. We just don’t appreciate the farsighted genus of Trump.

    But why do I bother? The Fox and Friends scientific genius trust will give a seminar on it tomorrow, I’m sure.

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    SFAW says:


    But he does believe that the sound of windmills causes cancer

    What is the sound of one windmill clapping?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @chris: Well, that’s what she gets for being from a shithole country.

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    jl says:

    As for a contested Democratic convention…. let the planners and campaign operative game out speculative BS, just like the central casting generals do in the war room. Who cares? The first ballot hasn’t even been cast yet. Many much more important things to worry about now and over the next 6 or 7 months..

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @JPL: I understand that he got the idea from one of the Sharknado movies.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Well, I mean they used “Natalia” as a nym. I doubt “subtlety” was paramount : )

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: you don’t keep your car stereo cranked ALL the time? Loser.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I understand that he got the idea from one of the Sharknado movies.

    It’s a sign of the times that I honestly can’t tell whether you’re snarking or serious, in this Worst of All Possible Timelines.

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    Baud says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    The only way to listen to Journey’s Greatest Hits.

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    SFAW says:


    The only way to listen to Journey’s Greatest Hit.

    Musta been a pretty short car ride

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    @SFAW: Just the clap, not cancer.

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    NotMax says:


    Time machines perfected?

    Promo just came up on the Roku home screen. “[Somebody or other] performing live. Tomorrow at 8. Watch now.”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Baud: “Greatest” indeed

    I almost added #Molly Hatchet but left the specific band to be mocked as an exercise for the reader. Thank you for confirming that my important work here is not done in vain!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: I did not read it myself, but Valdivia told me that she did. Her source was Twitter, so factor that in.

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    Jay says:

    This sounds like a snarky question but I swear it’s serious: who will be the first congressional republican to publicly support nuking hurricanes?— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) August 25, 2019

    No poll, but enter your guesses. Whom ever wins, gets the Intertubes.

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    @Steve in the ATL: I do, can’t be too careful, never know when you’ll drive by a windmill.

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    Spanky says:

    Give Natalia a break, people. It’s her first week at the St. Petersburg troll farm.

    I gotta go spend a last night with my 401k:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) – Asian shares were a sea of red on Monday as the latest salvo in the Sino-U.S. trade war shook confidence in the world economy and sent investors steaming to the safe harbors of sovereign bonds, gold and the Japanese yen.

    Yields on benchmark 10-year Treasury debt dropped to their lowest since mid-2016, while gold hit its highest since April 2013 as risk was shunned.

    The Chinese yuan also came under pressure, with the dollar quoted up at 7.1710 and markets braced for more intervention from Beijing to support the currency.

    MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan shed 0.8%, and Australia 1.7%.

    Japan’s Nikkei lost 2.3%, while E-Mini futures for the S&P 500 were down 1.0%.

    Wall Street nose-dived on Friday when President Donald Trump announced a 5% additional duty on $550 billion in targeted Chinese goods, hours after China unveiled retaliatory tariffs on $75 billion worth of U.S. products.

    At the G7 meeting in France over the weekend, Trump caused some confusion by indicating he may have had second thoughts on the tariffs.

    But the White House said on Sunday that Trump wished he had raised tariffs on Chinese goods even higher last week, even as he signaled he did not plan to follow through with a demand that U.S. firms close operations in China.

    Trump is now set to hold a joint news conference with French President Emmanuel Macron later on Monday.

    “There is an uneasy feeling that the very fragile negotiations are spiraling out of control,” wrote analysts at ANZ in a note.

    “The escalation suggests uncertainty will continue to weigh on global trade, industrial production and investment, with no sign of a resolution.”

    The latest broadside overshadowed a pledge by Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell to “act as appropriate” to keep the U.S. economy healthy, although he stopped short of committing to rapid-fire rate cuts.

    The markets clearly believe, however, the Fed will have to act aggressively and are fully priced for at least a quarter-point cut in September and more than 110 basis points of easing by the end of 2020.

    “Trump shows no signs of moderating his destructive trade policies,” said JPMorgan analyst Adam Crisafulli.

    “Central banks can’t fully ameliorate the downside of a global trade war,” he added. “Companies will enter lockdown mode in terms of spending, and eventually hiring, until at least the November 2020 election amid all the uncertainty.”

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    Jay says:

    Thanks to all of you, #ObamaOutdidTrump quickly skyrocketed to the #1 trending hashtag in the United States!! 😀— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) August 25, 2019

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    MomSense says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    That sounds like something he would actually do, but it’s so preposterous. Damn I hate this timeline.

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    chris says:

    @Jay: No quetion, Louis Gohmert.

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    Cacti says:

    Bernie is in the race to damage the Democratic nominee and to help Donald Trump be re-elected.

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    Jay says:

    This whole @jonathanvswan story is absolutely nuts. According to Swan's reporting, Trump has suggested nuking hurricanes as they form across the Atlantic. One of the ppl briefing him apparently reacted by saying something like, "Sir, we'll look into that."— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) August 25, 2019

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    different-church-lady says:


    Whom ever wins, gets the Intertubes.

    That’s winning?

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    Baud says:


    That sounds like something he would actually do, but it’s so preposterous.

    No kidding. Everyone knows only tire fires can stop hurricanes.

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    randy khan says:


    Yes, but the thoughts of a brokered convention get the media’s naughty bits all a tingly.

    Indeed they do, and who could blame them for wanting something that exciting, except for the part about the possibility that it would doom us to 4 more years of Trump?

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    Jay says:

    @UNICEFUSA statement:Detention for any length of time, with or without their families, is bad for children…Detained children experience long-lasting harm …UNICEF USA opposes child immigration detention around the world, including in the United States.— Sam Vinograd (@sam_vinograd) August 23, 2019

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    Mary G says:

    The inbred political pundit world has lusted after a contested convention for as long as I can remember. The voters aren’t that dumb.

    You all are funny today. I needed the giggles.

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    Kirk Spencer says:

    @chris: Definitely an option. But King and Gaetz (to name two) are solid contenders.

    And let’s face it. The representatives might get ninja’d by Graham or Perdue in the Senate.

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    Jay says:


    Only for a day, and you get to do anything you want with it, like redirecting every google search, every facebook post, every twit, to “Thoughts of Dog”,

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    laura says:

    @Jay: Marsha Blackburn.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @David Koch: I thought you were dead.

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    Calouste says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Look, that card is not there to be actually used. You type the numbers into Apple Pay, and then you put the physical card in a climate controlled display case next to your shrine to Steve Jobs.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I was just thinking about writing that, but then, you did so!

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @Gin & Tonic: it’s really hot, down here

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    Immanentize says:

    @David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch: coal powered air conditioning ought to solve that problem

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    a climate controlled display case

    Ah yes, the $999 iCase.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @SFAW: OK, I snortled at that.

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    chris says:

    @Kirk Spencer: Twitter suggested Imhofe. I had mercifully forgotten him.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I’ve seen DK around recently (the last week). I think he used to have emojis in his nym, if this is the right person

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    Argiope says:

    @Baud: I though we had to groom the oceans. You know, like Finland does.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @chris: Should be retaliation where US reporters are not allowed to enter other countries to report on events – especially when trump is abroad. Nice to get information from local reporters rather than the sycophants that report back at the minute. Or maybe they can just deny FoxNews reporters entry.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @David Koch:

    Thank you, David (from the great beyond).
    I like the Studio Ghibli movies when they show up, too.

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    chris says:

    New to me from one of those founding dad people.

    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Thomas Jefferson

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    burnspbesq says:

    I’m more tired of Bernie than I am of Trump.

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    @Argiope: I think that’s rake the forests, the folk in East Glendale apparently forgot to do that and it’s on fire.

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    chris says:

    @TS (the original): Foxnews has reporters? Since when?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @David Koch:
    Speaking of Laurence of Arabia, Alec Guinness, known as the original Obi-Wan from Star Wars, apparently hated that SW was what he was going to be remembered for. Understandable given his long, rich acting career. It’s ironic that many actors today would kill to be in SW movie

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    burnspbesq says:

    @randy khan:

    except for the part about the possibility that it would doom us to 4 more years of Trump?

    You think the media actually gives a shit about that?

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    jl says:

    @Spanky: One thing Trump knows how to do is make a damn fool of himself in front of everyone except his bigot MAGA dupes. Someone must have explained to him that even as Powell decided to do a rate cut, Powell added that the Fed wasn’t going to act like Donald Trump’s reincarnated daddy and bail him out for every dumb ass stunt he pulled. Even worse, Powell said the Fed and other central banks not only shouldn’t but couldn’t. So, Trump goes apeshit on his own appointee Powell, even as Powell does what Trump said he wanted. Citing facts to Trump is adding injury to insult.

    Then Trump reveals himself to be a crummy two-bit conperson by going along with whatever the room wants, and suggests he has second thoughts about his trade war. Even mumble mouth fellow conperson and fool Boris Johnson knows more about the world than Trump and suggested, in humiliating mealy mouth fashion that near random battles in a tariff war, decided by pique and whim, was a not a good idea. And all the beta Eurocrat losers agreed. So, Trump has to cater to them weakly. Now we have to listen to Trump’s stooges try to explain Trump meant the opposite of what he said.

    But, in the end, that is a good day at the G7, since it’s better that Trump enmesh himself in stupid reality TV BS fake drama than do worse damage on other fronts.

    Edit: in the past, I’ve referred to Trump administration officials as henchmen, and flunkies. But now, seems like ‘stooges’ is the only appropriate word. Just a heads up on developments in Trump World nomenclature.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Spanky: Australian market down just under 2% – opened 1 hour ago. I spent last night sweet talking my equivalent of your 401k

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    Jay says:

    1. A new report on anti-ISIS foreign fighters in Syria notes the Canadian contingent was among the largest.— Stewart Bell (@StewGlobal) August 23, 2019

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    James E Powell says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Honestly, I’m not convinced campaigning more in Wisconsin would have been able to overcome the combined effects of GOP voter suppression and Russian interference

    Not to mention Wisconsin’s rather vigorous White People’s Revanche. Something is going on in that state and I don’t pretend to understand it, but they damn near re-elected Scott Walker in a blue wave year.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @David Koch:

    And when you’re choosing a theater, keep in mind that the controlling shareholder and CEO of Cinemark is a big Trump donor.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @chris: sorry – foxnews pundits

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    Jay says:

    James Sears—a former pick up artist who called himself Dimitri The Lover—was the editor of a virulently bigoted and misogynistic far-right publication in Canada. He's just been sentenced to a year in prison for promoting hatred.— Mack Lamoureux (@MackLamoureux) August 22, 2019

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    Spanky says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: He must have realized that things could have been much worse. At least he wasn’t James Mason in a Thunderbird commercial.

    That never gets old. Except maybe to still-dead James Mason.

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:


    The Mackenzie King Brigade!

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    David 🎅🎄Merry Christmas🎄🎅 Koch says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: Recently I’ve been unable add links to my post when I have emojis in my nym. When I do, the system eats the post and it vanishes. So when I links to photos I use my old plain nym.

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    SFAW says:


    Twitter suggested Imhofe.

    Darrall? Didn’t he die two years ago?

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    jl says:

    @TS (the original): Barring foreign reporters is an outrage. And from Canada?
    Wonder if US corporate media will say anything? Or maybe they figure chances of getting a job there are so small, and the celebrity perks and salary are so crummy it wouldn’t be worth it anyway, so freedom of the press can go hang. Now, slightest criticism, with facts and reasons, of Fox News on the other hand… to the barricades!

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    chris says:

    @Jay: Thanks, that is wonderful news.

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    chris says:

    @SFAW: Oops. Shit. Inhofe.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @M31: How about Uncle Waggly? Or Uncool Waggly?

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    Jay says:

    Latest update on Steve King from @lachlan (Hint: He's not doing well)— Jared Holt (@jaredlholt) August 25, 2019

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    Jay says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    Mackenzie Papineau Brigaides.

    Different Mackenzie than Mackenzie King, who held seances as Prime Minister to get his dead Mom’s advise.

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    Jay says:


    And Pattison Advertising has pulled all the racist anti-immigrant billboards littering Alberta, Vancouver and Ontario, after a day, no refunds.

    And promised to do better.

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    jl says:

    @Jay: JD Scholten almost beat him last time. I think Scholten is running a good campaign again, I contributed for his 2016 run, and like a few other Dems, they really keep you on their news mailing list with updates once you contribute (rather than just dunning you for $).

    Read a kind of funny news story about a recent Steve King town hall, where only one actual non press person showed up. And that one person was a Democratic Party worker who decided to drop in. I’ll have to go find that piece and save it to cheer me up for the next cycle. Assuming it wasn’t satire from the Onion.

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    Jay says:

    Andy Ngo, the self-described "journalist" who raised hundreds of thousands off his black eye, is seen hanging with Patriot Prayer gang members as they plan for an attack that landed several of them in jail.He tweeted a lot that day (about antifa) but didn't mention that part!— Andy Campbell (@AndyBCampbell) August 23, 2019

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    Honus says:

    @SFAW: Steve Blass was talking about Mario Mendoza on the Pirates broadcast today. They met one time after they were both long retired. Blass told Mendoza “At least you don’t have a disease named after you”

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    jl says:

    OK, here it is. I miss remembered slightly. It was an apparently fairly liberal college student, who was hungover, but made a last minute decision to go see what the crumb bum was up to. Some amusing stuff in the interview. Like what she did when Steve King walked to greet her (which I guess was ‘nice’ of King, since she said she thought she was the only constituent who was not paid to be there).


    “It was early Saturday morning, and Jessica Birch didn’t feel like getting out of bed. Hungover and tired, the 21-year-old University of Northern Iowa student could easily have turned off her alarm.

    But the night before, she saw a Facebook event for Congressman Steve King’s town hall forum in Grundy County come across her feed, and she felt a civic duty to attend. So, Birch forced herself out of bed and headed 17 miles down the road to the Grundy Center Community Center.

    She arrived to peculiar scene: out of the over 12,000 people that live in Grundy County, Birch was the only one to show up to King’s forum.

    “It was just odd, because I don’t know what the record was for the world’s smallest town hall is, but one person I think has to be it,” Birch told Starting Line in an interview this morning.

    A photo of the near-empty room by a Reuters photographer quickly went viral Saturday afternoon, showing only two people in a room of mostly-empty chairs. However, as Birch explained, the other woman on the left in the photo was an intern for King. Birch, who lives in Dike, Iowa, was the only constituent of King’s not required to attend to show up.

    “I was the only person who was not paid to be there,” she said.”

    I liked this bit:

    ‘Birch had planned on just sitting in the back of the room. When King entered, he walked back to her to greet her, then she moved herself up to a closer row as he approached the podium.

    “It was very awkward, it was a very weird thing,” Birch explained. “Part of me wanted to leave, but it would be rude to leave, and the Midwestern part of me couldn’t do that. I feel bad for him a bit. But then part of me was really, really angry because other Democrats didn’t show up. I kind of let stuff he said slide, on stuff like abortion and health care, because I don’t want to get in an argument with him. I already know you’re wrong. Let’s talk about things I actually care about.” ‘

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    chris says:

    @Jay: YES! Heard that on the radio and did a little happy dance. The blowback must have been fierce.

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    jl says:

    @Jay: Yes, Thanks for the link. I had to go look to make sure I wasn’t citing an Onion piece. I was all true!

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    Yutsano says:

    @jl: If Feenstra wins the primary this gets a lot tougher for Scholten. It depends on how deep the prion disease has affected the populace by November 2020. Hopefully by then Dolt45 is so toxic that Republicans struggle everywhere. I can hope at least.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: I like “Uncle Waggly”, myself, but I am so old I actually get the reference.

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    HinTN says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Been away; hair or not, I don’t have that power. SAD

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    Aleta says:

    @David Koch: Thanks! L of A on a big screen is amazing. I think I saw it at the Charles; it was on a very wide screen and the desert scenes were vast.

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    Jay says:

    The GoFundMe page to support Daniel Pantaleo, the cop who killed Eric Garner, has now raised $150,000.That's from 3,000 unique donations.The goal amount is now increased to a quarter million $$$.— Rebecca J. Kavanagh (@DrRJKavanagh) August 25, 2019

    It’s very cool that the position of New York City cops is that if they can’t summarily execute someone on the street then the job isn’t worth doing.— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) August 25, 2019

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    piratedan says:

    @Baud: perhaps if we construct a giant wooden badger and leave it in the path of the hurricane…..

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    debbie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Rats, I was hoping it was the final scene in Dr. Strangelove.

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    Jay says:


    Yeah, there was one here as well, on the reserve, the Sewtewemuk people torched it.

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    debbie says:


    What’s the law on this? Can the Garner family sue for the proceeds?

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    NotMax says:

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Not among your age cohort, but for some of us his being in Star Wars is way, way down on the list of things we might bring up or think about when mentioning Sir Alec, at best a minor performance from a major talent.

    As for Lawrence of Arabia, decidedly not a fan. David Lean never met a foot of film he couldn’t shoehorn in somewhere.

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    Jay says:

    when life imitates art— jordan (@JordanUhl) August 25, 2019

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    debbie says:

    @David Koch:

    That’s how I saw it. The framing alone is awesome.

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    David Lean never met a foot of film he couldn’t shoehorn in somewhere.

    Does keep it from getting lost that way.

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    CapnMubbers says:

    @West of the Rockies: Tomorrow night: My Neighbor Totoro (subtitled, not dubbed). I never tire of this film.

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    trollhattan says:

    My kid smashed the everloving fuck out of her iphone; it’s shedding glass powder.

    Watch out, some random med school in five years.

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    Jay says:


    Civil suits would be born by NYC taxpayers, not the cop.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Mary G:

    The voters aren’t that dumb.

    2016 destroyed the myth that American voters are smart, wise, or good.

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    Jay says:

    Biden campaign accuses Trump campaign of poaching donors— CBS News (@CBSNews) August 23, 2019

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    CapnMubbers says:

    @burnspbesq: Aaarrrgggh, did not know that. The only theaters here that show the Met Opera transmissions, and also the Studio Ghibli festivals every year. What a dilemma!

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    Jay says:



    Angry Birds not loading?

    Nazis in her IM’s, ?????????

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    SFAW says:

    I have to confess, I had not heard of “Steve Blass disease.” I certainly remember Blass, but I’m a Mets guy, so didn’t follow the Pirates much.

    Thanks for edumacating me.

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    burnspbesq says:


    If you forego all of the Met telecasts, you’ll come within a couple hundred bucks of saving enough to fly to NY once a season for a performance.

    There is NOTHING like an actual live performance at the Met.

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    trollhattan says:

    “Accident.” Not a rageaholic so I’m guessing dropped from a significant height or ran it the hell over. Have never seen a screen so borked. The pieces have sub pieces that lord over the smaller pieces.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I’m more tired of Bernie than I am of Trump.

    I’m almost there . . . almost.

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    Mary G says:

    @James E Powell: I was talking Democratic voters only.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Accidentally, or in a moment of anger?

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I love that so much. DougJ front-paged it once.

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    CapnMubbers says:

    @burnspbesq: Something I have yet to experience. One live Met performance a season would certainly be more memorable than a season of supporting a Trump-donating CEO, though I do enjoy the behind-the-scenes action during intermission.

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    joel hanes says:


    Watch out, some random med school in five years.

    Countless lives were saved when I decided not to become a nurse.
    — Mildred Walton

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    Jay says:

    To say that it's "racist" to call Haiti a shithole is like saying it's "racist" to say Chicago has a violence problem.Haiti is a shithole and it's run by blacks. The violence in Chicago is all black on black.Those aren't racist statements. They're just facts.— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) January 12, 2018

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Brief Encounter is good.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @burnspbesq: I’ve been to both, and maybe I’m old, but the idea that I can drive 18 miles as opposed to 180, can park for free, and can actually see the faces of the singers, really puts a heavy thumb on the scale.

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    Jay says:


    So, slip and fall.

    Last Iphone had some chips. They are not as tough as you think they are.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @trollhattan: friend of mine got frustrated when his daughter wouldn’t put down her iPhone, so he grabbed it out of her hands, put it on a table, and smashed it with a hammer. In totally unrelated news, he’s no longer married and doesn’t have custody of his kids.

    So keep a close eye on this kid of yours.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Lawrence of Arabia was made when white movie producers saw nothing wrong with casting white actors as nonwhite characters — Guinness played a real-life Arab prince in that movie. Still not as bad as A Passage To India, also directed by Lean, where he wore brownface makeup to play an Indian character.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    I don’t know. When you save up all year to do it and the performance is mediocre, you feel pretty stupid.

    In my experience, Magic Flute, Pelléas et Mélisande, and Peter Grimes were all meh.

    Somehow I’m never there for Hvorostovsky and Fleming in Eugene Onegin.

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    OldDave says:

    @West of the Rockies:

    I like the Studio Ghibli movies when they show up, too.

    Like today, tomorrow, and Wednesday – My Neighbor Totoro

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Oh yes, now you remind me of the standing-room Boris Godunov when I was in grad school. I guess Martti Talvela was good but he looked like a bug from where I was.

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    Jay says:

    you may think it’s strange. for me to lose my mind with joy. every time you walk through the door. but when you love like i do. there’s no other option— Thoughts of Dog (@dog_feelings) July 30, 2019

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    Anotherlurker says:

    @SFAW: I love the Marshall Dodge, “Bert and I” reference!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mary G:

    The inbred political pundit world

    Nuke it from orbit.

    Only way to be sure.

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    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Nuke it from orbit.

    Like a hurricane?

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    Cameron says:

    @Amir Khalid: IIRC, none of the different Charlie Chans was played by an Asian, although the variously numbered sons were. Which is not only racist, but kind of insane.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @MomSense: Oh fuck the bad timeline. I’m sick of peeples whining about the goddamn timeline. Go fuck yourself with Idi Amin, take a sample of the Cuban missile crisis, and a dollop of Holocaust. Shit, we are definitely in the area of first world problems. It’s just that we do not have urgency, We better get it damn quick.

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    Brachiator says:


    IIRC, none of the different Charlie Chans was played by an Asian, although the variously numbered sons were. Which is not only racist, but kind of insane.

    Neither Charlie Chan or Mr Moto, another Asian movie detective, were played by Asian actors. Mr Moto was played by Peter Lorre.

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    NotMax says:


    And Mr. Wong in the flickers by Boris Karloff (replaced by Keye Luke in the 6th and final movie of the series).

    (We shall not speak of Katherine Hepburn in <em.Dragon Seed nor of John Wayne in The Conqueror.)

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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    John Wayne in The Conqueror

    Producer: Sounds good. After all, it’s a western set in Asia.

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    SFAW says:


    I love the Marshall Dodge, “Bert and I” reference!

    I played it for Mrs. SFAW (born in Maine) this weekend. She had never heard it before. She thought that all these years I had been saying it, it was something I thought up maybe, or picked it up from my grandparents, or who knows what.

    He died too damn young.

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    Cameron says:

    @NotMax: Fu Manchu, as well.

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    jl says:

    @Yutsano: Thanks for heads up on Feenstra. I didn’t know King had a primary opponent already.

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    NotMax says:


    Fu Manchu

    But many man smoke.

    /vaudeville comedian

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    SFAW says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    I guess Martti Talvela was good

    Yeah, I guess he might have been. My recording of Zauberflote has him as Sarastro. Pretty good.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Does anybody remember the film of The Good Earth, based on Pearl S. Buck’s novel about a Chinese family in China? The six biggest roles were all given to white actors for commercial reasons, against Buck’s wishes.

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    Brachiator says:


    Karloff played Fu Manchu in the 1932 film The Mask of Fun Manchu. Myrna Loy played his daughter. For a while, Lot was typecast as a scheming Eurasian temptress.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    The Good Earth started Paul Muni and Luise Rainer. Rainer won the Best Actress Oscar for the film. Some background:

    Pearl Buck intended the film to be cast with all Chinese or Chinese-American actors. Irving Thalbergalso envisioned casting only Chinese actors, but had to concede that American audiences were not ready for such a film.

    Though Anna May Wong had been suggested for the role of O-Lan, the Hays Code anti-miscegenation rules required Paul Muni’s character’s wife to be played by a white actress. MGM offered Wong the role of Lotus, but she refused, stating, “You’re asking me – with Chinese blood – to do the only unsympathetic role in the picture featuring an all-American cast portraying Chinese characters.”

    Many of the characters were played by white actors made to look Asian through yellowface, make-up techniques developed by Jack Dawn and used for the first time in this film. However, some of the supporting cast did include Chinese American actors.

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    SFAW says:



    I haven’t seen that word used in a very long time. Amazingly enough, I was quite happy not having seen it. [Not slamming you, Brachiator. I’m just appalled at some of the shit that used to be done to protect the purity of the white wimmins.]

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I’m pretty sure there were people who used that word in the past decade when speaking of Barack Obama.

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    SFAW says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m pretty sure there were people who used that word in the past decade when speaking of Barack Obama.

    Would not surprise amaze me. Fortunately, I had not witnessed that.

    Overturning Loving is probably on SCOTUS’s agenda, the only question is: before or after Griswold?

    [You’re probably aware of/familiar with those two, but in case your not: Loving made it legal for whites and non-whites to marry, Griswold allows (among other things) women to get/use birth control without government interference.]

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    Citizen Alan says:


    Your complaint ignores the fact that all three of those things would have been made worse by orders of magnitude if Shitgibbon or someone like him had been President at the time.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    To be honest, I’m kinda glad John Wayne was the one to play Genghis Khan. No Asian actor of that era deserved such indignity.

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    Jim says:

    Go Bernie. I just love the not so fine whines that BSDS elicits from the former Wilma Clinton supporters.

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