Foreign Relations Open Thread: President Bizarro in Biarritz

Snippets as of 6am Sunday, EDT:


[And then the economic news turned nasty.]






105 replies
  1. 1
    germy says:

    That photo of drump and boris johnson at the same table. . .

    [VOMITS]

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    Jager says:

    Remember when we didn’t have an asshole for a president?

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    @germy: They seem to be the only ones laughing.

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    burnspbesq says:

    The French digital-services tax is a really, really bad idea … unless it causes Trump to stroke out, in which case it is pure genius.

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    debbie says:

    @germy:

    They’re the only two smiling.

    I like the photo of the lunch with Macron. Trump’s back is “up against the wall,” so to speak.

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    Frankensteinbeck says:

    I’m not surprised that Trump is angry climate change and the Amazon fires are being discussed. Destroying environmental regulations is one of the few topics Trump is not just corrupt on, he actually cares about. Thus the bizarre rants about wind power. The guy is a Captain Planet villain, hoping someone will suggest dumping nuclear waste in the Gulf of Mexico so he can approve it and go brag to the public. And as always, it’s a petty personal grievance. He’s had some projects scrapped by environmental regulations and disputes about wind farms, so he seethes with bile against all environmentalism.

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    HinTN says:

    @germy: And the looks on the rest of the faces? Oh my!

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    MomSense says:

    @germy:

    We’ve coddled the racists and the idiots for far too long in the US and UK. That’s how we ended up with those two idiots.

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    JPL says:

    Anne, If you are around you could add the picture of Boris and Donald with captions. I clicked on the picture and the I’m with stupid caption is added quite appropriately I might mention.

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    What is this? Some kind of Zen koan?

    The Media is destroying the Free Press! Mark Levin. So True!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 24, 2019

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    JPL says:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC0TSILW4AAOgd1.jpg

    it wouldn’t let me copy the picture, but the click works.

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    Danish member of parliament trolls Trump

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    Some news may be developing. The airplane of Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister, just landed in Biarritz. Macron has floated reinstating waivers on some oil sales (meaning allowing those oil sales) in return for Iran’s returning to JCPOA requirements on enrichment and amounts of uranium.

    I’d love to see the Europeans and Iranians announce this. Could be what brings on Trump’s stroke.

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    JPL says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That was nicely done!

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    MomSense says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Wow. Isn’t Levin part of the media? Clearly we don’t speak MAGAt so we don’t know WTF that means.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @germy: And everyone else in that picture looks horrified – imagine being there with the 2 buffoons.

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    debbie says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    “Listen to your wallet.” Ouch!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    The Post had to update its 8 AM account of the doings to address fresh idiocies:

    The White House said President Trump’s earlier suggestion that he regretted escalating the trade war with China was “misintrepeted” and that what he regrets is not raising tariffs higher.

    Brace yourselves for a market bloodbath tomorrow.

    Trump said North Korea has not violated any rules with recent missile tests, during meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Abe, who said the tests clearly violate U.N. Security Council resolutions.

    They’re correcting him to his face now, but he’s too goddamned stupid to understand that.

    Trump said it is “certainly possible” he will invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to next year’s G-7 meeting in the United States, a move that would almost certainly be opposed by allies.

    If Trump insists on inviting the fourth-rate kleptocrat who is his master, maybe the other world leaders will just decline to attend?

    Meanwhile, Joe Biden still thinks it’s 1991.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    The Post had to update its 8 AM account of the doings to account for fresh idiocy:

    The White House said President Trump’s earlier suggestion that he regretted escalating the trade war with China was “misintrepeted” and that what he regrets is not raising tariffs higher.

    Brace yourselves for a market bloodbath tomorrow.

    Trump said North Korea has not violated any rules with recent missile tests, during meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Abe, who said the tests clearly violate U.N. Security Council resolutions.

    They’re correcting him to his face now, but he’s too goddamned stupid to understand that.

    Trump said it is “certainly possible” he will invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to next year’s G-7 meeting in the United States, a move that would almost certainly be opposed by allies.

    If Trump insists on inviting the fourth-rate kleptocrat who is his master, maybe the other world leaders will just decline to attend?

    Meanwhile, Joe Biden still thinks it’s 1991.

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    JPL says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That deserves all of our thoughts and prayers. Let it be!

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Betty Cracker: Does Biden have any campaign staff? Someone needs to get it into his thick head (not trump thickness of course) that bipartisanship in the US government has died – killed by Mitch McConnell in the Senate. The GOP will do anything to retain government – to the extent of massively crashing the economies of most industrialised nations.

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    I’m seeing other RUMINT on the purpose of the trip, but will let it go until after I take a shower and take the kitties out. But something is afoot.

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    If Trump insists on inviting the fourth-rate kleptocrat who is his master, maybe the other world leaders will just decline to attend?

    Trump is taking on the position that Putin had in the G8, before it became the G7. Maybe there will be a G6.

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    germy says:

    Meanwhile, back at home

    1. A bunch of DNC members are using their power to block a climate debate that all the top candidates want to happen

    WTF?https://t.co/Gea0wjhUzY

    — Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) August 24, 2019

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    germy says:

    Why are people who work for lobbying or "government relations" firms allowed to be members of the DNC?

    People paid to represent corporate interests should not be helping set the rules for the Democratic Party.

    — Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) August 25, 2019

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @TS (the original): He’s running on “Return to normalcy” and “Trump is the problem.” He will stick with that as long as it works, and dog help us, it may keep working.

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    LivinginExile says:

    @JPL: Boris and Donny are getting ready to pull each other’s fingers.

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    germy says:

    @Betty Cracker: Commenters here have complained about “all the Biden hate” but I don’t hate him. I just don’t want him in the White House.

    Joe reminds me of guys who were in every corporation I worked for in my long career(s). Jocular, avuncular guys. Charming, but all the newer people in the company would wonder what exactly they did all day. Which was nothing. They might sit in on a meeting or two, and take up the time with pointless anecdotes, but they’d been good buddies with the founder back in the day, and so were kept around for sentimental reasons apparently.

    They didn’t seem to be too concerned with the corporation or its day-to-day operations or mission. For them, it was all about the camaraderie, the back slapping, the jokes.

    I feel like Joe has made government his life (he entered at the age of 29) and he sees it as a big club, full of his friends. But it’s not a club I’m a member of. I feel like he sees me as a face in a crowd.

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    Immanentize says:

    @germy:
    What’s your position on AARP’s demand that the DNC include another debate solely on the issues if aging?

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    MomSense says:

    @TS (the original):

    Politicians talk about bipartisanship because voters still want to believe it, not necessarily because they do. Biden probably does think he can work with the other side because of his history in the Senate, but it’s something I hear all the time from ordinary people even those who are reliable Democratic voters.

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    germy says:

    @Immanentize: We should have a debate on issues concerning senior citizens and we should have a debate on global warming. I actually like debates, it gives me a chance to see candidates on their own, rather than interpreted by the media. I think we need better debate moderators. We can certainly do better than Jake Tapper or Chuck Todd.

    But we’re talking about corporate interests blocking a debate.

    The AARP (to use your example) isn’t demanding we not hold a debate on college loans or some other topic involving young people.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @germy: Same. I’ll vote for Biden if I have to, but we really need someone who understands the peril of this moment in US politics, and that ain’t Biden.

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    clay says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Trump said North Korea has not violated any rules with recent missile tests, during meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Abe, who said the tests clearly violate U.N. Security Council resolutions.

    So Trump insisted that Iran was violating their agreement, without any evidence, and insists that NK isn’t violating theirs, in the face of all evidence.

    Sounds about right.

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    Immanentize says:

    @germy:
    Should there be a specific gun debate?
    Opiate crisis?
    Veterans affairs?
    Policing in America?
    Reparations?
    Reproductive Rights?
    Immigration?
    Education?
    The goddam potholes in front of my house!?” 😊

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    MomSense says:

    @Immanentize:

    I wouldn’t mind that so much but you know rose twitter and the Bernie stanswould then demand a debate on socialism and not having one would be proof that the DNC is rigged or some such nonsense.

    How’s the recuperation going chez Imms? Hope you two are enjoying the nice weather today.

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    germy says:

    @Immanentize: The potholes in front of your house should be dealt with by your local Dominoes pizza parlor franchise. This is how we do things in America.

    But lobbyists (working for the fossil fuel industry) should not have the power to block debate on the global climate crisis. Not sure why Legum’s tweet is being challenged here. I mean, I know this is more or less a centrist blog, but enough is enough.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Immanentize: None of those are as important as climate change.

    Nothing is.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Betty Cracker: My elder daughter starts a new job next week- managing 401 K accounts. (Preciously she managed health savings accounts. ) i expect she’ll be answering a lot of panicky calls her first week – or more.

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    debbie says:

    @germy:

    But we’ll end up with countless, one-subject debates! Let’s wear down the populace so they stop listening!

    Better is to hold one-on-ones with each candidate. There can be more questions about more issues, longer responses, and (hopefully) no shouting and one-liners.

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    pinacacci says:

    @Immanentize: I think the difference between this and those is that climate change is an existential crisis for the entire human race that many seem hell-bent on ignoring. It probably should be talked about.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @Immanentize: I think the issues the AARP is raising are essentially safety net issues that go beyond the elderly but do affect us disproportionately. To me “how are you going to strengthen the safety net” is worth debating. It could also position the Dem candidates in stark contrast to the Republicans by offering security instead of anxiety.

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    Soprano2 says:

    @Betty Cracker: The problem with the “return to normalcy” argument is that both parties have to want it, and the GOP definitely doesn’t. I guess Joe doesn’t understand that, and at this point I don’t think anyone can make him understand it. Like so many people, he seems to think he can will it to be so. I get the nostalgia, but it’s pointless.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @Citizen_X: True, which means that the 2020 election is the most important one we’ve faced in our lives. So everything must be viewed strategically, with the lense “does this help Democrats win big nationwide in November 2020?”

    Does having (or not having) a climate change debate during the primaries help (or hurt) Democrats win big nationwide next November? Because that’s the material question.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    A fantasy in Three Acts.
    Act 1. World leaders have been prepping for this meeting by training with martial arts instructors on ways to handle his weird dominance handshake yank.

    Act 2. Angela Merkel shakes his hand. He does the yank.

    Act 3. She pulls a judo move and tosses him ass-over-teakettle a good ten feet.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Immanentize: the rent is too damn high

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Soprano2: I find the “return to normalcy” sounds just too much like “make america great again”. We go forward with what we have, not backward to what used to be.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @germy: Agreed. I want him to retire from the world stage so I can enjoy my memories of his grinning face standing next to Obama and spontaneously blurting out “this is a BFD” at the signing of the ACA. I don’t want the memories spoiled by an unfortunate last act.

    Just as I want my memories of Bill Cosby to be fond memories of my childhood (all those comedy albums kids memorized) and adulthood (Cosby Show, live stage performances) and not find out at the end of his life that he’s a serial sexual abuser or something… what? Why are people looking at me that way?

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Immanentize:

    Obviously, we cannot have a debate focus on every single individual issue that’s before the public. That said, I actually think it’s a very good idea to have a debate focused on aging and on the issues important to the AARP, since that demographic is the key to the Republican coalition. I can see advantages to showing the entire nation that there is no one in the Democratic Party who wants entitlement reform the way everyone in the GOP seems to.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    (Edited comment was eated, reposting…)

    @pinacacci:

    …climate change is an existential crisis for the entire human race that many seem hell-bent on ignoring.

    Many Republicans and many in the Media, yes. But to imply that many Democrats are hell-bent on ignoring climate change would be unfair and disingenuous.

    Democrats have always been punished politically for trying to do something about the climate crisis, yet we are fighting harder than ever and building consensus around what must be done. Democrats want to take action, which is why we want to win back the Presidency and the Senate in 2020, by any legal and ethical means necessary!

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Citizen_X:

    Honestly, I kind of suspect that the DNC does not want a climate change focus debate because they don’t want to generate sound bites from every single candidate who is not Bernie Sanders which can later be twisted against them when taken out of context by Jill l Stein or someone else running a 3rd party campaign. And that includes Bernie Sanders himself because I still think the fucker will run 3rd party if he gets forced out of the primary early enough.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @pinacacci: think the difference between this and those is that climate change is an existential crisis for the entire human race that many seem hell-bent on ignoring. It probably should be talked about.

    and the only way to “talk about it” is a “DNC-Sanctioned debate!”? The minds of people who don’t think it’s an existential crisis are going to be changed by watching Tulsi Gabbard yell at Kamala Harris or Andrew Yang trading canned one-liners with Michael Bennet?

    Tim Ryan has discovered his green soul and proposed the magic debate be held in Youngstown. There’s some symbolic political merit, I think, to the idea of talking climate in Youngstown. Maybe Ryan could drop his no-hope vanity campaign and host a “Blue Collar Green Town Hall” in Youngstown. He can invite the candidates, and some knowledgeable climate journalists to moderate or lead the discussions, etc. Or we can have a Jake Tapper gotcha-goat rodeo because the Bernie Cultists think “DNC Sanctioned Debates” were some dark magic Debbie Wasserman Schultz used to cheat the Chosen One out of the chance to lose the popular vote and the Electoral College to Donald Trump.

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    JPL says:

    It’s unclear when trump heard about Iran’s foreign minister’s visit. It is possible that Macron mentioned it yesterday at lunch.
    Buckle up guys cuz this could get bumpy.

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Soprano2:

    I literally cannot understand Biden”s insistent belief that as president he can get republicans to work with him when he was completely unable to do so as vice president for 8 fucking years..

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    Another Scott says:

    @burnspbesq:

    The French digital-services tax is a really, really bad idea…

    Why?

    Why shouldn’t multi-nationals pay tax in the country where they take in the revenue?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @JPL: For a couple of months I’ve been wondering if the Iranians would see the value of calling trump “Your Excellency” to see what they could get out of him.

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    jimmiraybob says:

    @germy:

    …all the newer people in the company would wonder what exactly they did all day.

    If all that avuncular uncle Joe did was restore some overall sanity and decency to the company and to turn VP Warren loose to build some strong programs in the company’s long-term interests and health I’d work for that company.

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    JPL says:

    Bloomberg has more info. Apparently trump did not know…
    Trump does not agree that Macron can convey a message from the G7 to Iran since the G7 leaders didn’t all settle on what the message should be, a person familiar with the situation told me.

    https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1165639119118176259

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    pinacacci says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Didn’t mean to imply that anybody here was ignoring it, but to include it in a list of special interest topics that don’t affect absolutely everything on earth seemed to me to be a false equivalence on an exponential scale.

    If the argument is that we (Democrats) shouldn’t talk about it because it might affect our election chances? I don’t believe that for a minute. This issue needs exposure precisely because people don’t want to talk about it. Push the undeniable information out there at every opportunity. People who aren’t frightened about it are people who don’t know anything about it. Had a conversation with a gentleman the other day who seemed to think tackling climate change is on the scale of cleaning up the Cuyahoga river after it caught on fire.

    This is so, so much bigger than that.

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    JPL says:

    Cheryl Where are you?

    If trump cannot say it was his idea and his success, he won’t agree to even a meeting.

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    Another Scott says:

    @germy: Perfect synopsis.

    (sigh)

    Go home, Joe.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @JPL:

    the G7 leaders didn’t all settle on what the message should be

    The rest of the world has found out that they can act without the US, and it’s becoming obvious now that they’ve been doing so. Once that ‘Of course, we have to get the US’s input’ assumption breaks, I don’t know if it’s possible to get it back. Shrub and Trump together may have destroyed America’s soft power for decades. Countries will be telling the next Democratic president that they’re excluding him from negotiations not because they don’t admire him, but because the US can’t be trusted to stick to any deals.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    @pinacacci: I thought the question was whether there should be a Dem primary “climate change debate”. I too support Democrats speaking about the urgency of the crisis, and about their proposals to transition us from fossil fuels while building new industries and shared prosperity. But a debate on CNN is an absolutely terrible format for that.

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    Immanentize says:

    People say that climate change is an earth wide existential challenge. I agree! And I try to live that way as much as possible, knowing my little bit is too little by far. And I want to see completely and overwhelming Democratic representation in all three branches of the federal government and every state that will create a national coordinated effort on climate change, which includes all corporate actors who touch this country on any way whatsoever.

    But I don’t see anyone here yet claiming that race issues in this country are an existential crisis to our Union that demand their own debate.

    Although that is my belief. And that is the work I have specifically chosen to do.

    PS There is a very good Michele Goldman op ed in the week in review section of the NYTimes about the re-engagement of the Jewish left in America.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Just One More Canuck:
    I really liked the rent is too damn high guy. And his gloves.

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    Another Scott says:

    @germy:

    But lobbyists (working for the fossil fuel industry) should not have the power to block debate on the global climate crisis.

    Legum’s framing is ridiculous, IMHO. The DNC isn’t some all powerful cabal in the pocket of Big Oil that keeps the press from asking questions or keeps the candidates from issuing position papers, saying whatever they want on stage, or whatever.

    Gizmodo quoting the SJMN:

    On Saturday, the battle focused on a resolution that would allow the presidential contenders to participate in a climate debate “with the candidates appearing on the same stage, engaging one another in discussion.” Perez moved to scrap that proposal Saturday, saying the party should preserve rules prohibiting candidates from participating in unsanctioned debates.

    “We want to make sure we don’t change the rules in the middle of the process,” he said. “We have a north star principle: We want to be fair to everyone.”

    […]

    “What do we say to the other 30 groups asking for these?” a DNC delegate from Florida Craig Smith told the Mercury News earlier this week. “We’re picking something out of the air.”

    All leading candidates supported holding such a debate, which was championed by Washington Governor Jay Inslee, who dropped out this week. However, in prior debates, former Vice President Joe Biden (currently leading in the polls, but facing a possible enthusiasm gap) has had his bona fides on climate policy challenged by other candidates and environmental organizations.

    One of Biden’s senior advisers, DNC member Symone Sanders, recently said she did not support a climate debate and changing the rules to allow one would be “dangerous territory in the middle of a democratic primary process.” That called Biden’s continued support into question, though, as the Mercury News noted, Sanders later said she was speaking for herself and not for the campaign.

    Everyone in the campaigns knows what the rules are. The time to change them was when they were drawn up and agreed to. Turn this into, yet another, Big Bad DNC is Thwarting the Will Of the People meme is annoying.

    Grr…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Immanentize says:

    @MomSense:
    Recuperating Immp had a rough night — his tube popped out soaking his bed at 4am. Dad did the cleanup and the laundry. :-)

    It is progress by the weeks, disappointments each day.

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    geg6 says:

    @germy:

    The AARP should want a debate about college debt. A huge amount of college debt is that held by parents and grandparents. They are the PLUS loan borrowers and private loan co-signers for the students who have maxed out their federal loan eligibility. Older adults have a vested interest in the college debt crisis.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

    Yeah, I don’t see anything for them to debate. They all agree it’s a crisis. The debate should be with the Republicans.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Donald can’t handle anything multilateral. His bullying is ineffective in anything but a one on one situation, which is why he only wants bilateral trade deals.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Immanentize:

    I hope it gets easier.

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    Yarrow says:

    I’m not following the debate issue all that closely. Are there other single issue debates? The two that have been held so far seemed to be general.

    I’m not really for single issue debates done under the same format as the other debates. Seems like you’d just get every interest group clamoring for their issue to qualify for a special focus debate. Then if they were excluded there’d be lots of “Democrats don’t care about ________.” I don’t see how that benefits anyone but Republicans.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Another Scott:

    Who’s to say where the revenue “comes from?” As long as there is more than one plausible answer to that question, and no broad consensus on which answer to use (ideally at the OECD), the inevitable result is multiple taxation.

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    MomSense says:

    @Immanentize:

    I’m sorry. Please try and rest when you can. It’s so hard to see our kids suffer. You two are in my thoughts every day.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Immanentize: Sorry to hear that. Sounds frustrating and probably especially so for a him at his age. Really wants to get better and get out there and live his life and it’s just taking too long ( from his perspective).

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    Vhh says:

    @Immanentize: Michelle Goldberg

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    JGabriel says:

    Jennifer Jacobs via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    Trump says it’s “certainly possible” he’ll invite Putin as a guest to next year’s #G7 in the United States.

    It’s more than possible – it’s dead certain. What better way for Trump to co-ordinate GOP and Russian efforts to cheat and rig the presidential election and in his favor?

    We need to have overwhelming Democratic turnout to overcome Republican and foreign electoral interference next year.

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    JPL says:

    @Immanentize: I’m so sorry for you both, and hope that you are able to move beyond this stage soon.

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    JPL says:

    @Another Scott: Apparently this is what bernie will use as an excuse when he loses.

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    @Immanentize: It’s easy to notice the setbacks and forget the progress too.

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    Another Scott says:

    @burnspbesq: Meh.

    Somehow other multi-nationals that sell stuff in multiple countries don’t have these problems.

    To be clear – Apple shouldn’t be able to claim that if they sell an iPhone to someone in Paris that the money actually was taken in by a PO Box in the Bahamas. Similarly, if they sell a book on iTunes to someone with a Parisian address.

    This isn’t hard, really. It’s only complicated because they lobbied to make the rules complicated so that they can shield their revenue from taxes. I have no sympathy for that.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    debbie says:

    @Immanentize:

    Thanks, that is a good piece. I’ll spare myself the comments though.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @germy: @germy:

    Joe reminds me of guys who were in every corporation I worked for in my long career(s). Jocular, avuncular guys. Charming, but all the newer people in the company would wonder what exactly they did all day. Which was nothing.

    OMG I never realized it before: Joe Biden is Roger Sterling.

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    Ruckus says:

    @germy:
    Better than seeing you only as an enemy in the crowd.
    Or only a vote in the crowd.
    But not by much.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @FlipYrWhig: OMG I never realized it before: Joe Biden is Roger Sterling.

    LOL!

    From your keyboard to the SNL writing room, get that actor whose name escapes me on the horn.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    I literally cannot understand Biden”s insistent belief that as president he can get republicans to work with him when he was completely unable to do so as vice president for 8 fucking years.

    Yep. Biden’s belief that we can still work bipartisanly with the GOP can be countered with two words: Merrick Garland.

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    pinacacci says:

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Apologies, I believe I misunderstood the context. Completely agree that there is no debate to be had about the issue. I guess I was envisioning more of a discussion with people throwing out ideas since the Democrats so far have been pretty friendly with one another. So hard to get anything focused on in our short attention span news cycle.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Soprano2:
    I agree with you.
    Joe is stuck in a time warp. That the discussions have to happen I agree with, that Joe or anyone can make them fruitful I don’t. Republicans have, for the vast majority, ceased to be rational and don’t comprehend that it’s the entire population of the US that is the US, not only the rich/white ones. Money talks, but it is not by any means the only voice and the only citizens.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Reminds me of one my favorite Robert Benchley quotes: “Much laughter was heard at this little remark of mine, until I noticed I was the only one laughing.”

    However, it’s only applicable so far, as BJ and Trump don’t exhibit any sign of that much self-awareness.

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    Ruckus says:

    @TS (the original):

    We go forward with what we have, not backward to what used to be.

    Backwards is what seemed like it worked in political DC but not really for everyone, everywhere else. That’s what Joe knows. Stuff got done, it was marginally better for some, not good for everyone. Today nothing good gets done. Would going back be better? It wouldn’t be worse. But it’s broken now, it’s pottery barn time now. It’s time to move on, it’s time to make it better, not just go along to get along.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @pinacacci:

    I think the difference between this and those is that climate change is an existential crisis for the entire human race that many seem hell-bent on ignoring. It probably should be talked about.

    I too am seeing too little focus on climate change among the Democratic presidential race candidates.
    It’s the most important threat we face;. We (humans) have already baked in “very bad” and now we have an opportunity to reduce the probability of global catastrophe or worse.
    The psychopaths who made global warming political in this country have a lot to answer for. (As in “gigacide”.)

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @TS (the original): And I, grammar pedant that I am, simply wince and then holler at the term “normalcy.”

    It’s NORMALITY, damn it! Let’s return to NORMALITY!

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    @MomSense:

    The Media is destroying the Free Press! Mark Levin. So True! – Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

    Wow. Isn’t Levin part of the media? Clearly we don’t speak MAGAt so we don’t know WTF that means.

    I’ve had the distinct displeasure of listening to Mark Levin’s radio show.
    Between the bullshit and his screeching voice, I had both a headache and an earache. 😛

    He and Trump are two peas in a pod in that they’re both addicted to histrionics and outright lies.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Miss Bianca: Reminds me of one my favorite Robert Benchley quotes: “Much laughter was heard at this little remark of mine, until I noticed I was the only one laughing.”

    what a great line, the Round Table are a seemingly inexhaustible source of quotables

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    L85NJGT says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Probably comes out of having to file EPA EIS as a developer. The idiots are irrational about that process and blame it for everything.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Immanentize:

    Germy:

    What’s your position on AARP’s demand that the DNC include another debate solely on the issues if aging?

    Isn’t the point of a debate to discuss issues you don’t agree upon?

    Don’t all the Democratic candidates agree that supporting Social Security and Medicare is one of the main purposes of the government??

    What’s to disagree about?

    I say all this as an old retired guy… I would much rather hear about climate repair, frankly. Even tho we will probably be dead of old age by the time it gets really bad.

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    dogwood says:

    I have to admit I don’t see much difference between Biden’s ridiculous claim that he can bring the country together and get some republican cooperation and the pie in the sky detailed policy plans many of the other candidates are touting. None of it is gonna happen. At least Joe didn’t raise his hand in favor of abolishing private insurance. Abolishing Obamacare wasn’t a winning pitch in 2018 as voters had come to accept that it didn’t affect most people who had private insurance through their employers. So rather than running on improving Obamacare, the Dems are running on starting over once again. But this is a group of candidates who, at one of the debates, thought going after Barack Obama was a good idea.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Immanentize: greatest hair ever on a politician

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Just One More Canuck: I thought that title belonged to Radovan Karadzic.

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    evodevo says:

    @germy: Like the character Howard Lyman in The Good Wife…

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    Zinsky says:

    i hope the stress of having to compete for the Alpha Male honors causes every blood vessel in Mango Mussolini’s skull to rupture…. Good riddance, pervert.

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    Bonnie says:

    @Jager: Just barely.

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    MikeG says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Brace yourselves for a market bloodbath tomorrow.

    It’s Monday in Japan, the Nikkei is down another 1.89% as we speak.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Another Scott:

    Apple France never, for one second, owned the phone or any of the IP that’s baked into it. You made up that fact pattern out of whole cloth to support a specious argument.

    Educate yourself about how global supply chains actually work.

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