Spiraling Decompensation Open Thread

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    dmsilev says:

    Trump: Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn!

    Pfft. Trump only got into Miskatonic U because his Shoggoth father pulled some strings.

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    feebogd says:

    Between Boris and Trumpov this G7 summit is going to be a shitshow. Macron looks like he had that smile surgically implanted on his face.

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    Spanky says:

    “Unfortunately, Trump didn’t reach the level of Abraham Lincoln & didn’t drive the U.S. to civil war.

    Dude! It’s only 2019! He’s still got 17 months in office!

    (Apologies if this triggers anyone.)

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    AThornton says:

    So will the Federalist Society lose their shit about this non-constitutional expansion of Executive Power?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH(pauseforbreath)HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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    Spanky says:

    What’re the odds on the US leaving the G7 before Monday?

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    Spanky says:

    Sources briefed on the president’s thinking …

    Why does the MSM still do this? Do they think their consumers don’t know this is all show?

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    randy khan says:

    Trump apparently has a theory that the Emergency Powers Act lets him do this. I would guess that the courts would disagree, but more to the point, just imagine how all those Republican CEOs would react if he really tried to cut off trade with China completely.

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    patrick II says:

    Among other things, Trump has no concept of time and interoperability. American companies and Chinese companies have spent years building up the complex system of manufacture and support that exists between us. And while I have sympathy for the idea of bringing jobs home, it won’t be tomorrow. Plants will not be rebuilt tomorrow. Roads, electrical grids, appropriately educated workforce will not be rebuilt tomorrow. Throwing a tariff on a country as intertwined as we are with China is not something you change quickly. Certainly not before the next election. At some level, he realizes that, but he can’t back away from his only trick (tariffs are easy) without appearing a coward, and he can’t keep upping the ante because, in the short term, there is no solution that can happen before the election. And with those two contradictory facts, both intrinsic to who he is, he is going nuts.

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    scav says:

    G7!? G7!?! G7 is a typo! It’s always been the G1! G1! Greatness 1! MAG1A! Make America G1 Again! Magiamania! I’m MAG1AC! Econimists run out of their bank vaults to kneel before me and kiss my hand!

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    prufrock says:

    @patrick II: Are we’re sure he realizes it? He seems about as aware as Veruca Salt.

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    germy says:

    It's about time we had a businessman running this country.

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    Redshift says:

    @scav: Trump parody fail. Forgot to have the economists calling him “sir.”

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    Duane says:

    It’s as if he wants to destroy the country. His Russian puppet masters certainly do.

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    M31 says:

    also, fuck that Russian guy — Lincoln didn’t drive the US to civil war, slaver traitors did

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    scav says:

    @Redshift: I thought the obvious flaw was that he let an unsanitized person’s lips approach his being.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Saw a photo of Trump and Macron lunching together, Trump with the “don’t touch me” look.

    I felt so badly for Macron. No one should have to deal with our Cheater in Chief on that level.

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    Baud says:

    @AThornton:

    Libertarians are on holiday it seems.

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    Redshift says:

    @patrick II: I was hearing some coverage of the tariffs yesterday, and they were at least clear that it’s a disaster and everything Trump claims is false, but it was infuriating how they still keep trying to shoehorn all of this into some kind of normal “negotiation.”

    The actual negotiators can’t succeed because every time they get close to a deal, Trump declares it’s “unfair” and blows it up. Why isn’t this too obvious to ignore? Trump and his “America First” idiots started this thinking they could get capitulation and “win.” If he can’t get that, he i wants a fight more than he wants any “deal.” The Chinese are certainly smart enough to see this, even if our pundits aren’t

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    Redshift says:

    @scav: Hmm, interesting. He definitely wouldn’t let them do it, but would he lie about them doing it? I can’t recall if he’s ever tweeted something like that.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Baud: They’re in mourning.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    It may have been at Raw Story but I read an article that said that what is really getting to Trump is that he was planning to rub the other G7 leaders noses in how great the US economy was doing compared to theirs.

    In his imagination, this would earn him the personal respect and admiration from them he craves and allow him to threaten and bully the other leaders into doing what he wanted e.g. tear up the Iran Treaty.

    Not sure if there’s any truth to this. I read another story somewhere else that he didn’t want to go at all as he doesn’t agree with multi lateral meetings.

    I suppose it’s possible both are true.

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    MattF says:

    Word of the day: decompensate.

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    NotMax says:

    “G7 is so dull. If we rename it 38D people would pay attention. Lots of people have told me they agree with me about that and I hereby order it done.”

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    Do you think Emmanuel Macron is doing the “Thumbs Up” as a joke that Trump will never get? pic.twitter.com/iqRdCFDnhb— Mystery Solvent (@MysterySolvent) August 24, 2019

    I hope so!

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    debbie says:

    @Redshift:

    Trump’s problem was that he was sure his first announcement of tariffs would bring instant international capitulation. He didn’t bother with a strategy or even a back-up plan, and he’s just now realizing there are bigger and meaner bastards in the world than he.

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    MattF says:

    @Sloane Ranger: There’s various things he doesn’t want to hear, e.g., ‘The Russians are still in Crimea’, ‘Trade wars aren’t so easy to win’, or ‘Greenland is not for sale’— and there’s a good possibility that he’ll hear all these things. Also, I’m feeling a sort of instinctive revulsion towards the prospect of a meeting between Trump and Johnson.

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    debbie says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Who talked Trump into that electric blue tie?

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    AThornton says:

    @Baud:

    Libertarians get plumb tuckered out pulling themselves up by their bootstraps during the week. So they need their rest.

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    debbie says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    Pity is that what is not getting to Trump is that he fucked it up with his own big, fat mouth.

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    NotMax says:

    @debbie

    Yup. He thought Risk was a game meant to be played solo.

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    Brachiator says:

    @patrick II:

    Among other things, Trump has no concept of time and interoperability. American companies and Chinese companies have spent years building up the complex system of manufacture and support that exists between us.

    Very true. But Trump doesn’t understand this, nor does he care. He is a simple minded child as far as this goes, who thinks he can have his way just by asserting his will.

    And while I have sympathy for the idea of bringing jobs home, it won’t be tomorrow.

    Or ever. It’s a global economy, and the US is just one of many players. Countries have to maximize their advantages rather than try to recreate some misremembered past. The UK is going through similar anguish in the vain hope that BREXIT might see the resurrection of the former empire.

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    NotMax says:

    @debbie

    Color coordinated to match Ivanka’s unmentionables? //

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    MattF says:

    @NotMax: TMI. If something is unmentionable, you don’t mention it.

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    scav says:

    @debbie: That wouldn,t happen to be a blue-screen shade would it? It lookes remarkably flat as is. . .

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    Mary G says:

    I’m rooting for Angela Merkel to just haul off and slap him when he acts up. You know he will.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mary G:
    Clubbing him with a 1-liter beer mug, full, would be a lovely thing to behold, savor, etc. I won’t even bemoan any spilt beer.

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    Brachiator says:

    @AThornton:

    So, will the Federalist Society lose their shit about this non-constitutional expansion of Executive Power?

    Nope. I recently wrote this about Trump’s approach to power.

    More seriously, even though he is an incompetent baboon, he has consistently tried to “run the country like a business” with himself as CEO by having his staff look for every way possible for him to exploit his executive authority. The GOP Senate backs him up, and he is trying to install judges who will also back his play.

    I could have added that right wing pundits and think tanks back Trump even though his actions violate everything they supposedly believe about overreach of executive power.

    The only conservative who has consistently blasted Trump is George Will, who also has a book out about conservative values. Unfortunately, Will’s criticisms are stale and fussy and underestimates the damage that Trump is causing.

    ETA. And I promised myself that this would be a Trump free Saturday.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @MattF: Actually that’s the thing I’m interested in seeing. Johnson is currently trying to reassure wavering Tory MP’s that he is genuinely trying for a deal with the EU in order to avoid a vote of no confidence (remember it will only take 1 Tory defection for such a vote to succeed) so he can’t upset Merkel and Macron too much, but, on the other hand, he wants to keep Trump sweet in the hope of a trade deal.

    I want to see how he tries to thread the needle.

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    Brachiator says:

    White House aides right now offering no explanation for why President Trump believes he can “hereby order” American companies to do anything.

    CNN is sniffing it out:

    President Donald Trump claimed he has the “absolute right” to “order” US companies to stop doing business with China that would involve using his broad executive authority in a new and unprecedented way under a 1977 law….

    He later explained that he was referring to the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and in a Friday tweet wrote: “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!”

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html

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    MattF says:

    @Brachiator: In fact, there are various conservatives who criticize Trump— I wouldn’t even put George Fucking Will in the forefront of that group.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Brachiator:

    And I promised myself that this would be a Trump free Saturday.

    Those are the best Saturdays.
    I wonder if I will ever feel that young and carefree again.

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    James E Powell says:

    @MattF:

    True. It’s been many years since anyone cared what George Will has to say. But this is the world he worked very hard to bring about.

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    catclub says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    but, on the other hand, he wants to keep Trump sweet in the hope of a trade deal.

    trump knows one thing, if the UK drops out of the EU, any trade deal the UK makes with the US will HEAVILY favor the US. In this he is actually working in the interests of the US. [Yes, I know that favoring brexit overall is not working in favor of the US long term interest.]

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    @Brachiator:
    Trump can believe what he likes. He has a bureaucracy he can tell to set tariffs and they’ll do it by default until ordered not to by someone else. That default doesn’t exist here. While odious, the current Supreme Court is not actually a rubber stamp, and if he even CAN get this to SCOTUS they’re highly unlikely to approve it. I personally think the companies will shrug and this will drop down the memory hole.

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    JPL says:

    @Sloane Ranger: Johnson might have difficulties with trump because trump could care less about Boris’ biggest concern which is the Amazon fires.

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    Brachiator says:

    @MattF:

    In fact, there are various conservatives who criticize Trump— I wouldn’t even put George Fucking Will in the forefront of that group.

    Really? Most of what I’m seeing from conservatives is “We really like what he’s doing; we just wish he would shut up and be quiet about it.”

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    Ruckus says:

    @debbie:

    Pity is that what is not getting to Trump is that he fucked it up with his own big, fat mouth.

    He knows. He will never, ever admit it, but he knows. He’s used to stepping on his dick, in golf shoes, you’d think he likes it by how often he does this. What never has and never will get into him is that it isn’t the rest of the world that’s the problem, it’s that it’s always him, Always. Him.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Brachiator:

    And the related “Sure, Trump is a clown and an embarrassment but the Democrats are even worse and hate America!”

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    @catclub: Ah, that’s undoubtedly true where other, lesser nations are concerned but. his mother was Scottish and he really admires the Queen so it will totally be different for us.

    A Brexiteer//

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    Ruckus says:

    @Brachiator:

    The UK is going through similar anguish in the vain hope that BREXIT might see the resurrection of the former empire.

    Redcoats and muskets? How quaint.
    American conservatives have exactly the same concept. They want a full mega church on every corner and all POC on plantations picking cotton. And all the money in republican banks.
    Outdated ideas that were bad when they were the way shit was are still bad.

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    The Dangerman says:

    The really scary thing is, if there were a serious international incident (sure, there are problems, but nothing HOOOOGE), Trump would just go sit in the corner and fill his pants. It’s no longer the Peter Principle; it’s the Trump Principle (certainly NOT the Trump Peter Principle).

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    trnc says:

    Trump: Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn!

    I almost never refer to DT by his full name because I have always believed he is He Who Must Not Be Named. Although, in all fairness, Obama led the way on that (“her opponent”)..

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    Kelly says:

    @The Dangerman: The Trump Peter Principle is Trump will always step on his peter.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Brachiator:
    From where we are to a trump free Saturday will take a while.
    Very fucking unfortunately.
    Because while the republicans have become much more open about their goals because of trump saying everything out loud that doesn’t mean we have to go along. And like always, a sewer spill of this magnitude takes a long time for the stink and rot to be cleaned up.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    Pardon the pedantry, but if you’re on the Titanic, it really doesn’t matter if your ticket is one-way or round-trip.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    I personally think the companies will shrug and this will drop down the memory hole.

    I think Trump is out of his mind, and I don’t think that companies are going to cower in fear. But I don’t think they will blithely shrug this shit off. They will be looking to see if Trump tries to use petty and vindictive tactics to make life difficult for them. He may not succeed, but he will force companies to waste time and resources dealing with his meddling.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @hells littlest angel:

    Haha, that gave me pause as well.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Kelly:
    With golf spikes on. He’s not nothing, he’s stupid and sadistic.
    Not admirable traits in a president but ya gotta go with what ya got.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Suzanne:

    And I promised myself that this would be a Trump free Saturday.

    Those are the best Saturdays.
    I wonder if I will ever feel that young and carefree again.

    Well, I can’t have a totally Trump free Saturday. But I think I am done with Trump and the Internet for the rest of the day.

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    patrick II says:

    @MattF:
    Rick Wilson is the sharpest and funniest of them. He cuts with a Very sharp knife. Among the MSNBC talking heads Nicolle Wallace was the first to talk frankly about Trump as someone who is not totally sane. And of Course Jennifer Rubin at the Post.
    when I see them I wish we had more democrats who were as acerbic and frank.

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    MattF says:

    @Brachiator: Charlie Sykes’ ‘Bulwark’ Podcast has been on the air for a while, and the guests are generally uniformly conservative and anti-Trump. They certainly believe themselves to be beleaguered, but they certainly exist.

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    Ruckus says:

    @catclub:

    [Yes, I know that favoring brexit overall is not working in favor of the US long term interest.]

    trump has never worked in his or anyone else’s long term interest. It’s why he’s such a fuck up. His outlook ends at the next business or lawyer meeting. He wants long term for people to adore him, but has never given anyone any reason not to despise him.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Washington Post reported that Fat Bastard would be arriving at the G-7 with a “list of grievances”. Apparently the fucker’s entire life has been based on grievances.

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    Jay says:

    "It was, in many ways, the best kind of protest: a disruption of ritual, disciplined and serious, then joyous and uplifting."On a remarkable night at Providence Park – what it means, and what comes next.https://t.co/23aUsLKHVH#PORvSEA #RCTID #AUnitedFront— Abe Asher (@abe_asher) August 24, 2019

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    There’s a colorable argument that regime of Agent Orange is a revenge tragedy in its final act, since his entire life has consisted of perceived slights.

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    patrick II says:

    I have no idea how he thinks Apple would still be a functioning company if they stop dealing with China. Not only do they make much of their product in China, it is also a large market for them where an Iphone is o prestige purchase.
    I don’t know how much Boeing sells there, but I will guess a lot. Combine that with Killing Boeing’s Iran deal and Boeing’s falling airplane problem it could be real trouble.
    But by all means, hereby order them to stop doing business with China. I am sure the devastation of two major American companies will do no harm to the American economy.

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    catclub says:

    @Mike in NC:

    Apparently the fucker’s entire life has been based on grievances.

    What do you expect if you grow up the favored son a near billionaire? Its a hard knock life.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mike in NC:

    Apparently the fucker’s entire life has been based on grievances.

    I’d say that’s 100% true. His main grievance is that no one will bow down and give him all the money for being the greatest human being ever.
    He’s not a realist.

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    MattF says:

    @patrick II: Yeah, but Apple and Boeing don’t mine coal, so they don’t count.

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    prostratedragon says:

    @trollhattan: Lately I’ve been thinking that the Pigmeat Markham revival is long overdue.

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    thalarctosMaritimus says:

    @catclub: when I lived in Cambridgeshire, I got to hear from English people about the Lend-Lease experience.

    It’s safe to say that the version taught in American history books is not at all reflective of what it was like for the British.

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    Ruckus says:

    @patrick II:
    Unless it’s changed very recently Boeing has parts built in China, as well as 737s being finished there.

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    Yarrow says:

    @JPL:

    Johnson might have difficulties with trump because trump could care less about Boris’ biggest concern which is the Amazon fires.

    Huh? Boris doesn’t care about the fires in the Amazon. He may have been shamed into giving lip service to caring, but that’s all it is. From this article:

    In a tweet posted on Thursday, the close ally of Johnson described the Brazilian trade minister, Marcos Troyjo, as “superb” during an official trade visit.

    He shook hands with counterparts in Brasilia on Wednesday and declared a desire to deepen relations. Asked about the wildfires, Burns reportedly said Bolsonaro’s government had “legitimate ambitions to bring prosperity to its people”.

    A spokesperson later claimed the quote had been taken out of context and that Burns did discuss the UK’s commitment to tackling the climate crisis in his interview.

    Taken out of context. Uh huh.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Do you think Emmanuel Macron is doing the “Thumbs Up” as a joke that Trump will never get? pic.twitter.com/iqRdCFDnhb— Mystery Solvent (@MysterySolvent) August 24, 2019

    I hope so!

    I think the joke is that in France, thumbs up means “in your ass, MF”…

    I know for sure that it means that in many cultures, not positive about the dock workers of France.

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    Yarrow says:

    @patrick II: Tim Cook, Apple’s CEO, met with Trump recently to talk about how the China tariffs will affect Apple’s competitiveness. Doesn’t look like their chat had a big impact.

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    germy says:

    “Our great American companies are hereby ordered”

    Wait until he gets tired of Melania. He’ll stand across the room from her, point his short index finger and intone “I divorce thee, I divorce thee, I divorce thee…..”

    And the marriage will be officially dissolved.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Yarrow:
    Chat went like this.
    Cook: Your tariffs will kill our company that does billions of business around the world yearly.
    trump: How much will you pay me to change this?
    Cook: Are you out of your fucking mind?
    trump: What do you mean?

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Brachiator: So some jackass actually had to brief him about this law, because no way in Hell does he know it exists otherwise. Which sycophant has that level of actual understanding?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mike in NC:

    Washington Post reported that Fat Bastard would be arriving at the G-7 with a “list of grievances”.

    Can’t he just save this shit for Festivus?

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    germy says:

    @Brachiator: Every day is Festivus with this administration.

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    J R in WV says:

    @thalarctosMaritimus:

    …when I lived in Cambridgeshire, I got to hear from English people about the Lend-Lease experience.

    It’s safe to say that the version taught in American history books is not at all reflective of what it was like for the British.

    A somewhat tantalizing comment, devoid of actual information. What did you really learn, past the factoid that some books may be incomplete?

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    JPL says:

    @Yarrow: lol When he departed his plane in France, he gave strong lip service to the Amazon and the climate crisis. He must really be trying to suck up to members of the E.U.

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    JMG says:

    All the CEOs of the affected companies have to do is tell Mitch McConnell they’ll be raising all the money they can for his Democratic opponent in 2020, and for every other Democratic Senate candidate, and Trump’s order will vanish within an hour.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @patrick II:

    still be a functioning company if they stop dealing with China.

    Add to that damn near every chemical and pharma company on the face of the earth. So many raw materials are outsourced to China or India. And no way can the latter fill in for losing access to the former.

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    @Yarrow:

    Tim Cook, Apple’s CEO

    You mean Tim Apple.

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    RandomMonster says:

    @hells littlest angel:

    Pardon the pedantry, but if you’re on the Titanic, it really doesn’t matter if your ticket is one-way or round-trip.

    Except that you spent less on the one-way!

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    What I find amusing is that Twitler “ordering” US companies to come up with alternatives to China, like they can suddenly invent a new country to do business with.

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    germy says:

    Good comment from over at LGM:

    LosGatosCA • an hour ago • edited

    Any country viewing the US with a sophisticated eye can see several things:

    1. Starting no later than the 2000 election one of two major political parties in the US has shown a strong, repetitive pattern of disrespect for any norms or prior arrangements, domestic or international – torture, pre-emptive war, treaties, global warming, trade, etc.

    2. The country is no longer capable of managing it’s finances (repetitively excessive tax cuts, threatening massive default, etc) which adds to the economic uncertainty and reinforces the unreliability factors

    3. While the majority of its citizens are reasonable (non-Republicans) the political structure is inherently unstable and is repetitively leading to unreliable, unstable international relations because an unstable, uneducated, anti-intellectual party of white nationalists actually favor nihilism,

    4. The key word in these observations is repetitive. Trump is continuing a trend Bush/Cheney started on every topic/issue and carried to extremes by Trump and McConnell.

    http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblo.....-economies

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    FelonyGovt says:

    @Ruckus: My Rep, Ted Lieu, knows people are sick to death of Trump. This was in his latest email:

    Let’s face it: You don’t really want to hear about each and every bit of news coming out of Washington. Your in-laws are in town, or maybe you’ve got a vacation to plan, or a big upcoming presentation at work you’d rather be focusing on. But instead, you’re glued to the news, because you know that with Donald Trump as president, anything can happen. It’s exhausting — but if we all work together to defeat Donald Trump, we will never have to think about Donald Trump again.

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    Another Scott says:

    @patrick II: But Donnie’s idea of a great US economy is straight out of Soviet 5 Year Plans: 1) Being the #1 producer of steel ingots with ever increasing production, and 2) Being the #1 producer of coal with ever increasing production.

    He tolerates Apple and Tim because Tim has a lot of money and hasn’t been antagonistic. But he doesn’t care about the company. His brain is too broken to understand the US has moved on from the days of Carnegie and Vanderbilt… (The PRC has produced more steel than the US since 2000, and they’re the biggest coal producer by a large margin as well.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    they can suddenly invent a new country to do business with.

    England.

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    prostratedragon says:

    The WaPo today writes about the tariff effects more generally, and a little about whether the authority to hereby order this by President Never-met-a-political-risk-he-didn’t-like actually exists. I don’t think businesses are disregarding this, though their response might have something to do with their size and how much they have sunk into China.


    “Trump ‘hereby’ orders U.S. business out of China. Can he do that?

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    germy says:

    @FelonyGovt:

    we will never have to think about Donald Trump again.

    There’ll be history books to be written. Documentaries. Cautionary tales. We can never let this happen again. Not sure if forgetting will help.

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    Doc Sardonic says:

    @germy: Actually, the divorce wouldn’t be official until he throws dog poop on her shoes, and we know the germaphobic fucker isn’t going to do that. He will probably order Barron to do it.

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    jc says:

    Trump keeps showing that words have no meaning to him. It’s all just about hogging headlines, cynically controlling the narrative. All Democrats should be loudly asking: why would anyone want to do business or discuss policy with someone who is fundamentally unfit and untrustworthy?

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    Ruckus says:

    @FelonyGovt:
    Ted is wrong. This mess will take a long time to clean up. And we probably won’t have the necessary time because too many people have a totally unrealistic concept of the country, the government and the press. trump is the indicator and instigator of the mess. He didn’t start it, he won’t finish it off, it will have to be dealt with for years.

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    patrick II says:

    @Brachiator:

    I don’t think maximizing our advantage and having more jobs at home are mutually exclusive. But that is a topic for another time.

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    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: LOL like tiny England is a replacement for a market the size of China! (I know you were joking). But seriously, increasingly Chinese people have disposable income, which they like to spend. Whether it is on vacations abroad (Disneyland anyone?) to high end electronics, they have got money to spend and they are going to spend it.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    White House aides right now offering no explanation for why President Trump believes he can “hereby order” American companies to do anything. Also, officials have no information about what the president may or may not be announcing this afternoon, per his Tweet.

    Why Dump believes? A:Because he’s a Soviet shitpile.

    What he may announce? A: MY DADDY VLADDY SAID I COULD HAVE AN AUTHORITARIAN KLEPTOCRACY TOO! and I’ve been sucking the Kremlin’s ass since 1987!

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Ruckus: The mess will last long enough that it will largely be blamed on the next Democratic administration, contributing to the election of the next Republican one after that.

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    Yarrow says:

    @FelonyGovt:
    I get where Ted Lieu is coming from but I don’t think that’s a great email. I mean, your in-laws are in town? LOL. Maybe people would rather think about Trump than visit with their in-laws. And this bit:

    if we all work together to defeat Donald Trump, we will never have to think about Donald Trump again.

    As Ruckus said, this mess is going to take years to clean up. There will be books, movies, TV shows, and thousands of studies done about this era. Going forward, all any country or business has to say is, “Yeah, but Trump…” when we want them to trust us again. We’ll need to put in safeguards so this kind of thing can’t happen again and we’ll need to get rid of the enablers. It’s going to be a long process.

    This idea may be good short term politics – “elect Dems and you never have to think about Trump again” sounds great – but it’s not what’s needed. Pretending it is is a recipe for disaster down the road when we need some version of a Truth and Reconciliation commission and people are like, “Trump was so last year” and they want to move on.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @germy: She’s birther trash like him. Good luck until he’s in jail, prison, hanged or thrown into a lava lake.

    (Fuck you autoincorrect. northern is not birther.)

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    Jay says:

    Protestors in Hong Kong are cutting down facial recognition towers. pic.twitter.com/bTvb8uis7V— Jordan Sather (@Jordan_Sather_) August 24, 2019

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    debbie says:

    @Ruckus:

    I disagree. I have endured Donald Trump since 19-goddamn-78. His overbearing, over-confident demeanor is a true reflection of his heart. He has never had even a nanosecond of doubt about himself and his excellence. What else could have made him think he could run an entire country?

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    debbie says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    Or that the president would think any businessperson would walk away from the next largest economy!

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    “Unfortunately, Trump didn’t reach the level of Abraham Lincoln & didn’t drive the U.S. to civil war. That’s sad. Hopefully, he’ll become Herbert Hoover and at least drive them into a Great Depression.”

    What kind of university department dean talks like this? He’s a fucking academic. I know reactionaries have existed in such positions before but come on! And what a moron for thinking Lincoln was the one who drove the US to civil war. It was the Southern slaver states who did. Where’d he get his degree a Cracker Jack box?

    And honestly, I get the feeling this guy wouldn’t have a problem with race-based chattel slavery. Aren’t some Russians notorious racist against black people and have some truly bizarre beliefs about them?

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Jay: Good on them.

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    Jay says:

    Prediction: Trump will propose the US leave the G7 and create with Russia, China, Saudi Arabia & Brazil, & a broken UK a new alliance of economic Nationalist autocracies. The A5 + future Italy, Austria & Hungary. Mark my words. https://t.co/3ksTFgYK7L— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) August 24, 2019

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    debbie says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    It’s kind of the reverse of the bullshit fed to me about the USSR when I was in school. I’m telling you, Khrushchev had horns!

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    trollhattan says:

    @debbie:
    Yeah, some goddamn “New York golden boy real estate developer lifestyle maven, etc.” national media onslaught began in the ’70s and he reeked of skeevy from the start. I suppose he presented an ironic counterpoint to New York’s impending failure as memorialized by the Daily News: “Ford to City: ‘Drop dead'”

    New Yorkers have known not to trust that family for half a century. Somebody didn’t listen.

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    trollhattan says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:
    My exact response on first reading that quote. It seems as though all the Russians are in on the destabilize-the-west scam.

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    Yarrow says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷: One who has perhaps been shown the kompromat on him and is saying what needs to be said to keep it quiet. Or saying it to protect his family from harm.

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    Yarrow says:

    @debbie: He’s a narcissist. He’s a combination of unjustified overconfidence and insecurity and shame. Ruckus is right that at some level he knows. He just has the ability to ignore it most of the time until he’s faced with the truth that he’s not all that great. Then he goes into the narcissist shame spiral until he figures his way out of that and the cycle begins again.

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    Jay says:

    Powell to Trump: We can't bail you out if your policies blow up the global trade system. All we can do is try to lessen the damage. pic.twitter.com/hbNHcnjdrQ— Neil Irwin (@Neil_Irwin) August 23, 2019

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    TS (the original) says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    I read another story somewhere else that he didn’t want to go at all as he doesn’t agree with multi lateral meetings.

    He doesn’t want to go. Outside of his golf courses he is uncomfortable going anywhere. Anything the media says about why – is the media defending the fact that trump is a moron who eats fast food & plays lousy golf.

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    Jay says:

    One of them was so worried he went to the secretary of defense. The secretary brushed him off, but only because he was weighing a move of his own.Months later he made it: Instructing the US military not to follow presidential orders that did not also carry the sec’s signature.— Jonathan M. Katz✍🏻 (@KatzOnEarth) August 23, 2019

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    Ken says:

    @MattF:

    I’m feeling a sort of instinctive revulsion towards the prospect of a meeting between Trump and Johnson.

    Visions of the two of them fusing together and growing exponentially like the Blob?

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    🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷 says:

    @Jay:
    I figured that. I just think there’s something very nihilistic about this. What he said is a total insult to the millions of human beings who were enslaved and tortured for hundreds of years. These same enslaved people fought for their own freedom in that civil war he intentionally gets wrong

    @debbie:

    Yeah. It’s very stupid.

    @trollhattan:

    As @Yarrow: says, it’s possible he was forced into making this appearance.

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    Jay says:

    I'm always impressed by Warren's understanding that mid-level agency personnel appointments, not just cabinet officials, drive substantive policy results. How many politicians would get this exercised about who fills position very few people know exists? https://t.co/KkLmVZOEuE— Sasha Samberg-Champion (@ssamcham) August 24, 2019

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    TS (the original) says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    What he said is a total insult to the millions of human beings who were enslaved and tortured for hundreds of years.

    What I heard was a foreign national making a snarky statement about what trump is doing and how it will bring down his economy. It was reflecting what happened on the watch of different presidents – regardless as to how or why such things happen. Taking it to the lengths you have is misunderstanding the whole reason for the statement – Russians calling out trump on being stupid.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🇺🇸🌎 Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) 🗳🌷:

    And what a moron for thinking Lincoln was the one who drove the US to civil war. It was the Southern slaver states who did. Where’d he get his degree a Cracker Jack box?

    For one thing, he is not an American academic.

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    Jay says:

    The office of a black woman serving as a diversity training officer in the US Dept fof Education has been vandalizedAfrican art figurines were found beheaded, with limbs removed, and a poster of Ruby Bridges, the desegregation icon, was torn from wall https://t.co/9l9c1kdrjn— Steadman™ (@AsteadWesley) August 23, 2019

    Sources at ED are pissed because they knew nothing about this: Or as one put it: “When we have a fucking hate crime in our office, we have to learn about it three days later from NBC.” https://t.co/4CT9oRD8So— Erica L. Green (@EricaLG) August 23, 2019

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    Jay says:

    BUSTED: Texas governor @GregAbbott_TX sent racist call-to-arms the day before #ElPasoShooting: "Take matters into our own hands."This is the same guy who made it legal to carry guns into mental hospitals and defended a law banning dildos.Words matter. Republicans count on it pic.twitter.com/l9hhTAgl2T— Bryan Dawson (@BryanDawsonUSA) August 23, 2019

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    Barry says:

    @patrick II: ” Plants will not be rebuilt tomorrow. Roads, electrical grids, appropriately educated workforce will not be rebuilt tomorrow.”

    And the GOP is solidly against rebuilding infrastructure, so that’s f-ed to the f-ed power.

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    thalarctosMaritimus says:

    @J R in WV: The quality of what was delivered was not always what was promised, and the terms were so steep that it took until 2006 to finally pay it off.

    I remember Lend-Lease being mentioned in history class as just short of unalloyed altruism on our part. Instead, it was sometimes shoddy materiel and exorbitant loans, which actually does sound more plausible.

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