Saturday Morning Open Thread: CHONK

The Morris Animal Rescue twitter feed is currently full of adorable chonky (and imposter not-actually-that-chonky) cats.

And, of course, there is merch! PSA: Do *not* order this shirt as a gift unless you are very sure the recipient will not assume an implied criticism…






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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Hairball.

    (in honor of Mr B)

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    Mary G says:

    My cats would have the same reaction if I tried to show them on TV.

    “Oh, HELL NO.”

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    Raven says:

    Check the previous thread for my great doggie rescue story.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Raven: It’s a good one. Glad the guy who retrieved him knew him. Heelers are known for being “nippy”.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    “After seeing it on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, I had to come,” said Anthony Wilson, 32, while waiting to order. “Six people at work came in with one for lunch yesterday.” Wilson said he wasn’t normally a fan of Popeyes but that he “didn’t want to miss out on a cultural phenomenon”.

    But it wasn’t Wilson’s lucky day. As customers approached the counter, a hand-written sign tacked near the register announced: “Sorry sold out of the chicken sandwich.” News spread through the line like a chicken feather on the wind as patrons grumbled and shouted – “No more chicken sandwich? Why do you think we came here?!” – and some walked off, admitting defeat.

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    Seen on Facebook:

    “Orion’s Belt is a big waist of space.”

    “Terrible joke. Only three stars.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: They both should be shot and pissed on for that.

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    Raven says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yea, the guy was the general contractor on a big renovation they just did so he’d been around her a good bit. He. And his wife are also huge dog peeps making it even better!

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    Chyron HR says:

    Ohhh, look at that, “BeeJay” suddenly has a new, more marketing-friendly name. What a bunch of sell outs.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg treated for tumor on pancreas – as it happened

    Really Guardian? A blow by blow account of RBG’s cancer treatments? Chump left some unoccupied space on your website and this is what you decided to fill it with?

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Been there, done that. I blame rikyrah

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @JPL:

    But the red beans!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: I’m not a big fan of fast food chicken (mainly because it’s always fried)(may also be a hangover from my childhood of having to eat and then later refusing to eat the vile stuff that comes out of KFC), but I have had a Popeye’s chicken meal at some point in my past and found that it was pretty good. There are no Popeye’s out here and my chances of getting one in STL are pretty near zero. Of all the great food choices available to me at the first grumblings of hunger when I am up there, I just don’t see me picking a franchise chain fast food joint.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Russia Today has a geography problem: Russia Today puts Japan on the map, So far, so good… where New Zealand should be

    Oooopps.

    Russian news channel RT has apologised for apparently accidentally labelling New Zealand as “Japan”, AND Papua New Guinea as “South Korea” in an embarrassing southern hemisphere mix-up.

    They are still more credible than FOX.

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    JPL says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): They were definitely good.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: It will be awhile before I try their sandwich, since I’m not a fan of mobs.

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    debbie says:

    @Raven:

    It’s a pretty amazing story all around.

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    He had to be scared shitless by that point.

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    debbie says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Not at all relevant, but NASA’s photo of the day is the globular cluster Omega Centauri. Awesome!

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    ThresherK says:

    Reposting from late last night: Another article on Mr. B, with video, from a reporter who happened to live locally.

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    Keith P. says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Pretty crazy to see that sandwich selling out. It’s been available at the Popeye’s by my office for at least 2 months. I eat that sandwich at least twice a week…first time I had it, I immediately proclaimed it better than Chick-Fil-A (which I do like a lot, but you have to ask for the sauce, and they’re not open on Sunday) It’s only been in the last few days where the drive-thru has gotten really bad, though.

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    debbie says:

    Well, this should make the G7 a lot of fun.

    For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 24, 2019

    ETA: I don’t know how Twitter works, but one response to this tweet included a clip of Obama singing Amazing Grace. It’s marked “sensitive material” and you have to click to see it. JFC.

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    Spanky says:

    @debbie: “Case closed!” Oh joy. How long before he tries abolishing the Fed or the House or something?

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    Kristine says:

    Fingers crossed that Pandora is adopted soon. What a pretty girl.

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    Immanentize says:

    Good morning. Beautiful here near Boston. Clear, cool, dry!
    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Heelers are known for being “nippy”.

    So true. My neighbors have a beautiful border collie who got excited and decided to jump up and nip my wrist. No harm to me! But he did tear through my most expensive suit jacket. Bastahd!

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    gene108 says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Lovely, lovely joke…

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    Immanentize says:

    @Raven:. Great story. Good on all the dog heros and heroines!

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    Ken says:

    @debbie:

    Well, this should make the G7 a lot of fun.

    I’m sure the Monday markets will react well, too.

    As always, it would be useful to know who fed him the idea.

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    Dog Mom says:

    I kept quiet so as not to curse myself and the wait was stressful. The job that I interviewed for a few weeks ago and really liked, next day they said to expect an offer – it took a bit to get through the HR process. I started and survived the first week. Still so much to learn, but it is great so far!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Immanentize: I’ve had a few encounters with both blues and reds. They can be very sweet dogs, but the herding instinct is so strong, and one of their techniques is to nip at the “heels” of whatever animal they are trying to push. They are also very reactive to anything or anyone “unknown” and that very much includes any surprises.

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    debbie says:

    @Ken:

    I’ll just use initials: S. M. //

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Dog Mom: Nice, may fortune continue to smile upon your endeavors.

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    Ken says:

    @debbie: Aha! I had my suspicions about Seth Moulton from the day he announced.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Dog Mom:
    Congrats!

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    MomSense says:

    @Dog Mom:

    Congrats!

    I stayed up much too late last night and now I have chores to do but I don’t feel like doing them.

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    JPL says:

    @Dog Mom: That’s great!

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    Immanentize says:

    @debbie:
    Miller doesn’t understand that stuff and Trump has been relying on that law from early in his term. I’d say Cohen/Mnushin with an assist from Sessions are the best bets.

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    Immanentize says:

    @MomSense:
    Then, unless they involve eating or not eating —
    Don’t!

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Dog Mom:

    Congratulations! I hope you like the job and the people.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Immanentize:

    Is Sessions still involved in anything? Now that he’s out of the Senate, out of the administration and (I presume) out of Trump’s favor, I picture him sitting at home in Alabama sipping iced tea and being a dick to everyone around him.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Dog Mom:
    Congratulations!😄

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    bemused says:

    I’ve been very frustrated trying to slim down our kitty I call Miss Chunky who gets strict amount of chow twice a day since we adopted a growing kitten in June who gets fed whenever he wants to eat. At least she is definitely not a Chonk, just a few lbs over her ideal weight. We can’t leave the kitchen until kitten has his fill or Miss Chunky will sneak over and devour kitten’s food as fast as possible. Admittedly we both have a tendency to remember things we have to do and walk off forgetting to stand guard so it’s been slow progress training ourselves to be more vigilant.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Does anybody know what’s the deal with John McAfee (and minions) spamming every Trump tweet with some cryptocurrency bullshit?

    You probably know that I am running for President in 2020. To gain supporters, I have an event running right now! Check it here: https://t.co/ctr35L01sb

    — John McAfeeᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠ (@AradiaNoPL89) August 24, 2019

    I sort of don’t mind, because it’s Trump’s stream getting soiled, but it’s weird.

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    Ken says:

    @Steeplejack: Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite ’em.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Josh Barro:

    The main lever he has left is his trade policy itself. If he wanted less China-related economic drag, he could back off the tariff threats. And indeed, he did a little of that a couple of weeks ago, delaying some of the new tariffs he announced for September 1 so they won’t take effect until December 15. His administration said this delay was for national security reasons, though he said himself it was because he didn’t want to interfere with the Christmas shopping season.

    But the Chinese appear to have read the delay as a sign of weakness. This week they announced more tariffs, infuriating the president. Since backing off didn’t work, he decided to escalate today. And that’s what’s so nerve-racking for the markets: His trade policy no longer appears to be self-limiting. In fact, it could be self-reinforcing, where tariffs cause damage and the president tries to “fix” the damage with more tariffs.

    It’s also worth considering the possibility that we have gotten too far down the trade-war road for the president to unwind the problems he’s caused. To the extent there are signs of weakness in the domestic economy, they are largely on the producer side. The consumer sector still looks decent. But tariffs and uncertainty over future tariffs have already discouraged businesses from producing and investing. And China has less reason to participate in a de-escalation than they did a year ago, since they can just ride out the next year and hope to be facing a new, less-hostile president. As Jonathan Chait notes, Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about reelection like Trump does.

    With a China less willing to back down and a trade war maybe too far along to stop, the president is backed into a corner. He may feel he can’t save the economy by folding. And so he may follow his instinct — one of the few consistent policy views he has expressed for decades — that protectionism is good for the economy, and that despite what the markets and his advisers are telling him, trade wars are good and easy to win and more tariffs and more disruption will only mean more winning for the U.S.

    What the president showed us today is he’s prepared to hit the gas as he approaches the cliff. That should make us all worried about the economic outlook — and it should make Republicans very worried about the political outlook.

    It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Well bah humbug!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JPL: Do not despair! They’ve got another special tax cut just for you:

    “You very may well see a new rollout of additional, additional middle-class tax relief and small-business tax relief,” he said. “There is nothing in the near term, that’s what the President was getting at. We believe the economy is quite healthy, we expect some relief on short-term interest rates coming up from the Fed and so forth. But longer run, why not?”

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    germy says:

    When a billionaire dies, who inherits their senators?

    — Amir Talai (@AmirTalai) August 23, 2019

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    germy says:

    Matthew Chapman
    ‏@fawfulfan

    Okay. The definitive top ten list of modern people who have done the most damage to America:

    1. Rupert Murdoch

    2. Mitch McConnell

    3. Charles Koch

    4. David Koch

    5. Donald Trump

    6. George W. Bush

    7. Ronald Reagan

    8. Newt Gingrich

    9. Clarence Thomas

    10. Antonin Scalia

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    debbie says:

    @Immanentize:

    Miller doesn’t understand that stuff

    Like that would stop him!

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    debbie says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I heard the descriptor “terrified” used for Trump and his behavior yesterday, in that he’s suddenly realized his reelection is now in peril.This is probably a very dangerous time for us all.

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    debbie says:

    @Dog Mom:

    I missed this earlier. Congratulations!

    @MomSense:

    How’s the job and commute coming along?

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    Spanky says:

    @germy: There’s little to argue with there, but what about those “little people” that did the real damage? The Stephan Millers, Lee Atwaters, Turdblossoms?

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    Ken says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Hooray! Jam tomorrow!

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    germy says:

    @Spanky: Without those on the list, those little people would have been unemployed.

    (Hopefully)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @germy: Of the 9 justices on the SC, Thomas has to be the least influential. As much as I dislike him, he doesn’t belong on that list. I mean, where’s Paul Ryan? Where’s Dick Cheney? Donald Rumsfeld?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @debbie:
    Doesn’t there have to be a declared emergency before Trump can invoke emergency powers? I seem to recall that Trump’s last attempt to declare an emergency for purely tactical reasons did not go well.

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    germy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I think twitter has a word limit. He should have done a long thread to fit all those names in.

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    debbie says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    He’s only read the first sentence and he can’t be expected to remember any of his past actions. //

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @germy: There have to be a thousand names that would fit the descriptor of “modern people who have done the most damage to America:” better than Thomas. Thomas is by no means a force for good, but Dick Cheney did more damage to this country in 8 years of sitting in a “warm bucket of piss” than Thomas has done in 28 yrs on the SC, especially when one considers they could have found an Oval Office door stop that would vote the way Thomas did while displaying as much intellectual rigor.

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    Yarrow says:

    @germy: How is Robert Mercer not on that list? He’s been flying under the radar for a long time. People know of him but don’t really understand how damaging he’s been. The whole family, actually.

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    Yarrow says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I agree. I don’t get why Clarence Thomas is on that list over many other names.

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    germy says:

    There’s money to be made in managing campaigns:

    Parscale obtained $2.3 million-mortgage to pay for mansion just months after he spent nearly $2 million on two condos, also in Fort Lauderdale. And this time, it was all cash. That's not all. The Parscales bought $300,000 worth of cars in just few months. https://t.co/oWlojPU8ln— Beth⭐️ (@PersuasivePR) August 23, 2019

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    And I am off to see the wizard, or at least a whole lot of people who don’t look like me. Have a good day all.

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I think Trump legitimately designate himself to be a national emergency.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I think they wanted a non-white guy for diversity’s sake.

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    Ken says:

    @Amir Khalid: Trump is a national emergency, so he can invoke the emergency powers whenever he wants. It’s like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Mary G:

    I watched the clip, and he didn’t look terrified to me. My Louis looked more terrified hiding in the closet when we were trying to get him to the vet. Mr. B. seems like a pretty chill cat.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @germy: And chump thought Chris Christie was stealing his money by planning for the assumption of the presidency.

    Now I really gotta go.

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    germy says:

    @Yarrow: Mercer is the invisible man. At least he wants to be.

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    germy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    “Modern people who have done the most damage to America . THREAD 1/70,000”

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @germy:

    Uh . . . Vladimir Vladimirovich didn’t make the cut?

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    chris says:

    OT? Superficial too. Joy Reid is on and she’s wearing her own hair! Gorgeous!

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @debbie: I’m not going to believe anything is actually happening to Trump’s presidency until I see Trump’s approval poll numbers move outside the narrow band where they’ve been stuck basically since the beginning of 2018 (or, better yet, the only slightly wider band where they’ve been stuck since his first couple of months in office). It’s basically been the same story: Trump is unpopular, more consistently unpopular than any President of modern times, but nevertheless not so unpopular that we can’t imagine him being reelected with enough dirty tricks and memetic pollution. (He was slightly more unpopular when he won in 2016.) He’s never gotten into second-term George W. Bush territory, and because of his special cultic appeal I doubt he will.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Matt McIrvin:
    His approval rating has dropped below previous lows.

    new AP/NORC poll on how Americans view Trump’s job performance as president:

    36% approve, 62% disapprove

    sharper focus:

    21% approve STRONGLY
    46% disapprove STRONGLY
    — John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) August 22, 2019

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Hey, we could have had another Bernie-fluffing article instead!

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    Professor Bigfoot says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Good on you!!!

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Yarrow: Poll averages, not a single poll. AP-NORC’s looks like a pretty extreme outlier.

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    Yarrow says:

    Hoo boy…

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    When I looked up to the sky and jokingly said “I am the chosen one,” at a press conference two days ago, referring to taking on Trade with China, little did I realize that the media would claim that I had a “Messiah complex.” They knew I was kidding, being sarcastic, and just….
    —————–
    Donald J.Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    ….having fun. I was smiling as I looked up and around. The MANY reporters with me were smiling also. They knew the TRUTH…And yet when I saw the reporting, CNN, MSNBC and other Fake News outlets covered it as serious news & me thinking of myself as the Messiah. No more trust!

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    trollhattan says:

    @Yarrow:
    “No more trust!”
    Up to the second he wrote that, he trusted them implicitly. Yup, fer sure.

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    Yarrow says:

    @trollhattan: I think it’s part of his directive to his followers. Just like labeling the press “fake news” he instructs people not to trust them. It’s a propaganda technique that works. Repeat a lie often enough and people believe it. This sort of thing is very dangerous for our democracy in ways we haven’t even really explored all that much yet.

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    germy says:

    @Yarrow: Half his twitter followers are fake, though.

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    germy says:

    I am shocked, shocked to find out that Tomi Lahren's Athleisure line for women who don't hate America is… Made In China. pic.twitter.com/doZyJOcQVO— Robyn Pennacchia (@RobynElyse) August 23, 2019

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    jonas says:

    @debbie: Trump’s not wrong that there is a law that gives him the power — on however flimsy “national security” pretexts — to regulate trade. What this shows, however, is that Congress could revoke that (now much abused) power in about two seconds if it felt like it and place trade policy back in the hands of an elected deliberative body, rather than leaving it up to the whims of a petulant idiot manchild. Not that I mind leaving Trump to be hoist by his own petard in this trade war, but it would also be nice to see Congress claw back some of the authority it’s pissed away to the Executive Branch over the decades in order to avoid making difficult decisions.

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    @Yarrow:
    Unfortunately, like Trump himself, it’s only a natural progression of an existing problem. For decades, Republicans at the elected and voter level have operated on lies, dismissed even obvious truths they didn’t want to hear, sought out alternative news sources that would tell them the lies they already agreed with, and increasingly hated and defied the concept of empirical or scientific fact. It is a very dangerous trend that keeps getting worse, and Trump is part of its self-reinforcement.

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    Yarrow says:

    @germy: By “followers” I didn’t just mean Twitter followers. The President’s tweets get amplified well beyond Twitter. They’re shown on news programs and not just cable news. They’re referenced in articles. They’ll be shown on the Sunday shows tomorrow. His tweets have reach and impact well beyond Twitter. His followers (you know, like cult followers) will see it as a directive.

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    @Yarrow: Trump says so many ridiculous things that there’s no way to tell if he’s joking. It all sounds like it came from The Onion.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: It is and Trump is the logical conclusion many of us could see coming decades ago. The current TrumpRepublican party is a party of the ultra rich making money off people who refuse to believe experts in any field. And it’s a home for white supremacists and extremists of all kinds. It’s a cult for the most part.

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    Yarrow says:

    Saw this over on Molly Jong Fast’s twitter feed:

    omg what @RachelBitecofer just said! “The Democrats absolutely suck at messaging…they don’t tap into emotions, they wanna have these cerebral conversations with voters that don’t exist…” 💥 #AMJoy— Amy Alexander (@AmyAlex63) August 24, 2019

    I understand that Rachel Bitecofer is the polling data wonk of the moment. I don’t know more about her than that. I have said similar things about Dem messaging here so I’m inclined to agree with her on that point.

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    Baud says:

    @Yarrow:

    I agree too, but it’s harder to find a common set of emotions when you have a diverse coalition.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I think I’ve met human kindergartners who weren’t as big as the Chonkster.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Yarrow: The problem is that the emotions that work are… evil emotions. We know how to win elections: it’s to be racist and hateful and get people worked up to kill other people. The Democratic Party used to be fueled by that, to some extent. It abandoned that faction on purpose and has been paying the price ever since, but it was necessary.

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    @Baud:
    Also when you care about whether you’re telling the truth.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    …and when we do try to tap into emotions that aren’t evil, we get knocked for being crazy, hysterical Debbie Downers.

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    debbie says:

    @Yarrow:

    Just found and watched the clip. Not the least hint of a smile.

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    debbie says:

    @jonas:

    It doesn’t give him the power to do the kind of shit he’s threatening to do.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Baud: Obama did it with “Hope and Change.” It was aspirational, hopeful, spoke to a better way. I think people who understand that stuff can come up with something that would work for this cycle.

    @Matt McIrvin: I think fear works well. Right now the Dems have a gigantic gift in that people are scared of what Trump will do. The election should be about getting rid of Trump. All policy discussions should be centered around what Trump has done that has made everything worse and what he hasn’t done that he either said he would do or should have done.

    The details are interesting but getting even one thing passed will depend on having the right people in Congress. To do that we have to get people to vote. To do that we heave to appeal to their emotions.

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    James E Powell says:

    @germy:

    From the article you linked:

    “But in my own heart and my own mind and people around me, people here at the table, everybody’s welcome to Marysville.”

    This is exactly what every white, privileged dickweed says about his all white community.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    In the English Premier League’s surprise result of the weekend so far, Manchester United have lost 1-2 at home to Crystal Palace. United were 4th before this weekend’s matches and Palace were 16th. Still to come today: Liverpool vs Arsenal in the 5:30pm kickoff. Liverpool won this fixture 5-1 last season.

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    Marcopolo says:

    @Yarrow: I realize I am biased as one of her supporters, but I actually think that is part of what is behind Warren catching on with folks. Buried in all of her “I have a plan for that” talk there is a deep emotional hook about social & economic fairness, about how we all experience the same problems, about our expectations of how our society should work/how our government should work. Her story about her mom having to go back to work after her dad’s heart attack in order to save the house/save the family is part of that narrative. And she is really good at communicating that with her audience.

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    @Yarrow:

    The election should be about getting rid of Trump.

    The 2018 election suggests that voters want to hear about health care, and will provide their fear and hate of Trump by themselves.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    It is a very dangerous trend that keeps getting worse, and Trump is part of its self-reinforcement.

    Agree completely. And Trump is an intensifier who has turned the whole thing into a cult. For a while we laughed and talked about the 27%. That might still be the right number for the truly crazy. But, to our horror, we’ve learned that for Americans who will always vote to defend their white supremacist paranoia, hatred, and bigotry, the number is somewhere between 40 and 42%.

    How do you see this ending up? I don’t foresee the RWers having any Road to Damascus moments.

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    @Marcopolo: Warren is comforting. It feels like she knows what to do. Obama had that too. Remember “I got this”?

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    germy says:

    @James E Powell: Pyden, who made that statement, seemed to be shocked by Cramer’s racist comments. Pyden was on the side of Hayman, whose father is Syrian, and who felt (and rightly so) personally insulted. Cramer is a monster.

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    germy says:

    Here’s video of some of Cramer’s remarks:

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jean-cramer/

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    Jake Gibson says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    “Get back, chonky cat”.

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    germy says:

    @Jake Gibson: “Better get back to the woods?”

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    Yarrow says:

    @Marcopolo: I tend to agree with you. I also think her sunny nature, energy and intelligence is such a contrast to Trump’s anger and cruelty and that makes her a very appealing package.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: This time around we have to focus on the electoral college votes we need, which means certain states like WI and MI and so forth. Whatever works for the voters we need in those states is what we need to do. The “get rid of Trump” message seems to work best with those voters, from what I’ve read.

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    Yarrow says:

    @debbie: Daniel Dale concurs with you:

    Just re-watched the video. He was not smiling. pic.twitter.com/HEC7JILyHU— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) August 24, 2019

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    J R in WV says:

    @Keith P.:

    We ate at Chik Fil’a once when a local branch opened up. It was terrible in our opinion, everything was sweetened, like they used sugar instead of salt in everything. Plus, then we learned about the ownership and their religio-political craze.

    Will never be back.

    I think there are some Pop-eyes chicken places around, since I’ve seen a commercial for them, but I know not where. KCF is pretty poor.

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    debbie says:

    @Yarrow:

    I knew it before I even watched. Trump only talks about himself in human terms when he’s lying.

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    James E Powell says:

    @germy:

    I don’t mean this to be an argument between us. Maybe we just get different impressions from the same material. Here is the whole quote:

    “I don’t see how anybody has stopped diversity here in town that I am aware of. I don’t know off the top of my head what type of initiatives the city could take to get more diversity,” Pyden added. “But in my own heart and my own mind and people around me, people here at the table, everybody’s welcome to Marysville.”

    According to the town’s wikipedia entry, Marysville is 97.5% white. Pyden doesn’t have any idea how it got that way and doesn’t see how the city could do anything to make it different. Sounds like the usual “What? Us racist?!? How can you say such a thing?” As if 97.5% white towns are not built and populated by people who very much want it that way. And non-whites, well they just choose to live elsewhere, you know, with their own kind. At best, he is an enabler of the Cramers and the town’s citizens who agree with Cramer but know not to say it out loud.

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    germy says:

    @James E Powell: You’re probably right.

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    debbie says:

    @Marcopolo:

    I think a lot of that comes from her being a mom and grandmom.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    This is a much more pleasing story than the preceding post about Bernie’s shit-fer-braines “economist” adviser.

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    catclub says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I’m not a big fan of fast food chicken (mainly because it’s always fried)

    Sonic has a chicken sandwich that they call grilled but I think is poached – it is very moist, and not fried. Not Popeyes spicy, though.

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    J R in WV says:

    @germy:

    Okay. The definitive top ten list of modern people who have done the most damage to America:

    Nixon didn’t even make THAT top ten list? For shame!

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    Yarrow says:

    @J R in WV: I find Chik-fil-A really awful. They had free chicken sandwiches at an event I was at this summer. I got one because I was hungry. Super bready, chicken was rubbery, kind of stuck in my mouth. I think I only ate about a quarter of it and threw it away. Yuck. Here’s the link for Popeye’s in WV.

    @debbie: Yeah, exactly.

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    @James E Powell:

    How do you see this ending up?

    California. What people forget is the two decades of crisis between the California right wing going batshit racist and the demographic timer ticking far enough along to stop them from having the power to destroy. I fear we have at least another decade of McConnell style madness before the balance tips. That’s very hard to estimate. For one thing, there is no precedent for how pissed liberal voters are. Will that outlast Trump? Who knows? The population is gradually shifting, but engagement of our side on the level their side relies on could shift things much faster.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    PSA: Do *not* order this shirt as a gift unless you are very sure the recipient will not assume an implied criticism…

    Hahaha

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Yarrow:

    I find Chik-fil-A really awful.

    Nobody said communion wafers were supposed to be tasty.

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    dww44 says:

    @J R in WV: Actually, Chick-fil-A is not at all bad. It consistently ranks at the top of teen’s preferred fast food franchises. Their customer service, whereever I’ve been, is undoubtedly at the top of the heap. Their method/manner of pretheirparing their fried chicken results in a distinctive taste that cannot be confused with any other similar.

    While I’m no fan of the politics of the owner/owners, it is still a privately held family business and they can engage if they wish (personally, I do try to frequent businesses that don’t wear their politics on their sleeve) and much prefer the era when not espousing one’s political leanings was more the norm. I’m a committed secularist. Religion belongs in places of worship and in charities.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    @Chyron HR: Jesus Chicken Christ. :)

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    Elizabelle says:

    @debbie:

    I think a lot of that comes from [Elizabeth Warren] being a mom and grandmom.

    True. Although it does not work for Nancy Pelosi, who does not have a “cuddly” exterior.

    Both Warren and Pelosi have a lot of people/management/triage (!) skills that their male colleagues have largely not needed to develop. Or assumed were just … there. (Magic! Like it often is assumed or attributed, for prominent white males.)

    I think Warren has a lot more experience gauging her speeches to her audience level (interest and intellect). Students! Got to keep them involved.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Right-wingers argued that Hillary becoming a grandmother was further evidence of her Machiavellian plot to destroy America.

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    OMG! CRINGEWORTHY!Macron talks directly to Trump & tries to engage him on matters of trade & the environment & Trump just sits there looking bored.Until Trump turns away from Macron & tells the cameras what good friends they are & that next year the #G7 can be in the US. pic.twitter.com/Tx6Xyhb03a— dσxxεd Ъuт หσт σuт (@twmentality1) August 24, 2019

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    Elizabelle says:

    @James E Powell: Who gives a fuck what right-wingers and liars say? I don’t know if they did or did not.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: The thing about demographic trends is that they can be changed. We laugh about how the Republicans can’t stop the tide of the browning of America, but they really could–it would just take genocide on an unimagined scale. The entire country awash in blood, bodies piled on every streetcorner. It’s possible. Hitler really did manage to kill nearly all of the Jews in Europe. I remember the time Theodore “Vox Day” Beale used Hitler as a positive example when talking about how mass deportation is practically possible–if Hitler could do it we can too! That was before Trump.

    They could kill every black and brown person if they really wanted to, or at least enough to keep the US white-majority; it would just take every Republican turning into an enthusiastic piece of the killing industry. And they’re working on it, bit by bit, getting people used to such ideas.

    I worry that there’s no way out of it without us becoming monsters too. It isn’t any future I want to build.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Liverpool beat visitors Arsenal for the third (fourth?) season running, and stay top of the Premier League table. Not quite the thrashing of the two previous seasons, but I’m sure Klopp will be happy enough to get the points.

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    J R in WV says:

    @dww44:

    Actually, Chick-fil-A is not at all bad. It consistently ranks at the top of teen’s preferred fast food franchises. Their customer service, whereever I’ve been, is undoubtedly at the top of the heap. Their method/manner of pretheirparing (sic) their fried chicken results in a distinctive taste that cannot be confused with any other similar.

    You are objectively incorrect. In no way does a detectable amount of sugar in a piece of fried chicken taste good. You are correct in that it cannot be confused with any other fried chicken.

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    brantl says:

    @Yarrow: He voted with Scalito, every f’ing time.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Yarrow:

    Here’s the link for Popeye’s in WV.

    There are four cities at the link. Two of them are at least a 6 hour drive, the nearest one is over 2 hours away. Not interested that kind of travel for even a really good chicken sandwich…

    I can eat chicken, and even enjoy it if it is well (Chicken Korma…) camoflaged — but I will never love chicken to travel very far for it.

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    The Lodger says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: No wonder the Russo-Japanese War took so damn long to fight…

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