Election 2020 Open Thread: Seth Moulton Drops Out

Rep. Moulton is now free to take my advice (worth every penny I was paid for it!), join forces with Bill Weld, and run against Trump on the venerable, if nearly extinct, New England Republican ticket. But actually, he’s going home to protect his current seat from at least three challengers… and just possibly to position himself for a run at Elizabeth Warren’s Senate seat, should it happen to open up, along with manymanymany others…

Or then again — who knows? — maybe that nice Joe Biden will be looking for a young well-spoken military vet as a VP!

Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts has dropped out of the presidential race, ending a candidacy that emphasized Mr. Moulton’s centrist politics and military service but gained no traction with Democratic primary voters.

Mr. Moulton, 40, said in an interview that he had no immediate plans to endorse another candidate, but he warmly praised former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. Mr. Moulton announced the end of his campaign in a formal speech before the Democratic National Committee on Friday…

“I think it’s evident that this is now a three-way race between Biden, Warren and Sanders, and really it’s a debate about how far left the party should go,” Mr. Moulton said…

Mr. Moulton said he would also relaunch his political action committee, Serve America, to promote issues related to veterans and the military. Those issues, he said, were not “getting the attention they deserve” in the presidential race…

A combat veteran who served in the Iraq War, Mr. Moulton campaigned on themes of strengthening national defense and promoting public service, and criticizing Mr. Trump for damaging the country’s most vital alliances. In May, he revealed that he struggled with post-traumatic stress disorder after returning from war, and called for new policies to attend to the mental health issues of soldiers and veterans. Stanley McChrystal, the retired general who led American forces in Afghanistan, endorsed Mr. Moulton’s campaign.

But Mr. Moulton entered the race late, in a strategic choice he now concedes was a mistake. He announced his candidacy in late April, days before Mr. Biden became a candidate and overshadowed much of the rest of the Democratic field.

“I’m not going to endorse anyone right away, but the vice president is a mentor and a friend and I think he’d make a great president,” Mr. Moulton said, adding, “Anybody in this race will be better than Donald Trump and I will enthusiastically support whoever the nominee is.”

First elected to the House in 2014, Mr. Moulton made a name for himself as an insurgent in and outside of the chamber. He won his seat by defeating an incumbent Democrat, John F. Tierney, in a primary election, and played a rebellious role in the Democratic caucus as a scathing critic of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, alienating senior lawmakers and influential Democratic women in the process.

His appetite for rebellion stirred speculation that he would consider a 2020 primary challenge to Senator Edward J. Markey, a fellow Democrat. Mr. Moulton opted to run for president instead and said this week that a Senate candidacy [against Markey] was off the table…


Appreciation / apologia from Kevin Cullen at Moulton’s home paper, the Boston Globe:

As he told me Friday morning that he was pulling the plug on his presidential campaign, Seth Moulton was both singularly upbeat and deeply reflective.

He doesn’t regret that he gave it a shot, but he regrets the way politics get done in this country. He regrets that personality counts for more than policy, that polls and money decide so early who gets to go forward before issues get a full hearing, that somebody like him couldn’t even make it to the debate stage to present his ideas to the American people because of arcane party rules.

As he crisscrossed America, he found a profound disconnect between the media world and the real world. He said his Serve America initiative to increase awareness of and participation in national service was very popular with ordinary folks, if not the media.

“Everywhere I went, reporters would ask me when I was going to get out of the race,” he said, “and ordinary Americans would tell me to hang in there.”

In politics, timing is everything, and like his beloved baseball team, the one that plays at Fenway Park, this was not Seth Moulton’s year.

After he decided to end his campaign, Moulton said he wanted to talk to me. Moulton said he reached out because he remembered I was willing to drive up to Marblehead one day years ago, when he was just flirting with the idea of running for Congress, to talk to some idealistic Marine vet who wanted to save the world. I didn’t have the heart to tell him I was actually more interested in getting the fish special at the Three Cod Tavern. But then, loyalty is a big thing to Moulton, who remains very close to the Marines he led in Iraq.

From the get go, his presidential campaign struggled to gain traction, and the political wise guys insisted he never had a chance anyway.

He has heard it all before. Democratic insiders never liked him. He was considered impetuous, didn’t know to wait his turn, when he took on and defeated Democratic stalwart John Tierney to claim the North Shore congressional seat. Many Democrats will never forgive him for orchestrating a coup aimed at overthrowing Nancy Pelosi as House speaker…

[Despite our state’s ‘liberal’ reputation, the Peoples’ Commonwealth political pool, and its reporters at even the ‘progressive’ media, remains deeply sexist.]






109 replies
  1. 1
    dmsilev says:

    Maybe he’ll stop sending me emails. No idea whose list he bought that had my address on it, but he was definitely in the top tier of frequent-email-for-money campaigns.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    Who?

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    Yarrow says:

    maybe that nice Joe Biden will be looking for a young well-spoken military vet as a VP!

    If that’s the case, and Joe is looking for a white guy, there’s a nice young Mayor also running for president who might fit the bill. Trying to figure out what Moutlon would bring to a ticket versus many others. Hmmm…

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    Raoul says:

    Biden/Moulton? No (though of course I’ll vote for the Dem, dammit). Totally misses the moment. Women are the core of opposition to Trump. And yes, I get that women can vote strategically (as can men … maybe), but a 21st century Democratic White House ticket with two white men? Good god no.

    And yes, so far Black Dems seem to favor Biden. That’s fine. But for any sort of broad appeal to actual Dem constituencies, some diversity is needed, IMO.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Yarrow:
    Nothing. Except what Moulton sees in the mirror which is : Man of Destiny!

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    Baud says:

    I’ll give him props for dropping out.

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    Yarrow says:

    The best people. He’s the son of Gov. Dewine. The rot runs deep.

    Wife of Ohio Supreme Court Justice Pat DeWine files for divorce, alleging ‘adultery, extreme cruelty’https://t.co/miHThtf7XN— Andrew Tobias (@AndrewJTobias) August 23, 2019

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    daryljfontaine says:

    “Softened cream cheese is returned to refrigerator”

    D

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    Yarrow says:

    @Immanentize: Man of Density?

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: How many? He can’t win his seat in the house so decided to run for pres because why not

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    Ruckus says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:
    Nice.
    I like his choice of the front runners, Biden, Warren and BS. He strikes me as not the sharpest pencil in the box with a comment like that. BS is old news, in more ways than one and Biden suffers from one of the same problems. Either would be 78 yrs old on swearing in. That is too fucking old. I repeat, too fucking old. And no real need to go over their other faults, especially BS, now.

  12. 12
    Yarrow says:

    Paging Gym Jordan…

    More than 300 people accuse former Ohio state team doctor of sexual abuse. https://t.co/ZV6tEmdn0Q— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 23, 2019

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Yarrow:

    If that’s the case, and Joe is looking for a white guy, there’s a nice young Mayor also running for president who might fit the bill. Trying to figure out what Moutlon would bring to a ticket versus many others. Hmmm…

    Yeah, I figured the Buttigieg stans would not care for Moulton saying there were ‘no other’ young vets running. I doubt Seth’s personally homophobic, but he’s from that level of Old Boston Society where Indiana is still a barely-settled wilderness that’s only reachable after an arduous multi-day slog…

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    B.B.A. says:

    Good. Now let’s have all the other white dudes drop out of the race.

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    JPL says:

    @Anne Laurie: Truthfully if there is not a female on the ticket , I think we lose.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @JPL:

    He can’t win his seat in the house

    Not necessarily true. Whether Moulton is reelected depends on a lot of factors he can’t control, from looming recession to the question of who wins the Presidential election next year. Choosing to cut his (obvious) losses now and hunker down in his home district (lovely place in the autumn — tourists come from all over the world for the scenery, no lie) to await further developments is IMO the smartest move for him right now.

    Truthfully if there is not a female on the ticket , I think we lose.

    Hell, *I’m* all in favor of a Madam President! But still: Whomever is the Dem nominee, I shall support.*

    [*That excludes non-party actors with other priorities, ifyouknowwhatImean]

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ruckus: Yeah, regarding Sanders:

    NEW In the latest @NBCNews @WSJ survey: @BernieSanders’ image rating is now a net negative among all voters and his positive rating has dropped 16 points with Ind. voters: pic.twitter.com/Ibd7alm5lN— POS (@POStqia) August 23, 2019

    Heading the wrong way.

  18. 18
    AThornton says:

    He’s going to walk away with $724,377 cash on-hand. Not bad pay for a Class IV candidate.

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    Baud says:

    @Yarrow:

    Best news today.

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    Wapiti says:

    @JPL: I don’t know if we lose, but we might give up several points to dismay and lack of enthusiasm. It’s not worth the risk.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Just got a phone poll about my interest in primaries/caucuses next year. It was strictly machine-based, no human, so I couldn’t tell its leanings or if it was pushing an agenda, but I dutifully replied that I was very interested, and that I was highly likely to vote in the Republican primary. So it asked if there was another prominent Republican primarying DJT, would I vote for him, or the other Repub. Obviously I said the other Repub. Then it, oddly, asked how interested I was in a universal health care program, sometime referred to as Medicare for All; I said I was somewhat interested, so it said thank you and good-bye. Now I’m wondering if I could have strung it along by giving a different answer.

    Oh well, I tried.

  22. 22
    laura says:

    Seth Moulton, once again peeved that he was not cheered on for waltzing in at the last second and grabbing the big seat as is his entitlement. Dont let the door hit ya big man….

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    NotMax says:

    WATB.

    arcane party rules

    Arcane? Laid out, disseminated and known well in advance. Like someone complaining he/she couldn’t enter his/her plowhorse into the Kentucky Derby because of “arcane entry rules”.

    personality counts for more than policy

    Or maybe – just maybe – you might entertain for an instant the concept that your policies suck.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Ruckus:

    He strikes me as not the sharpest pencil in the box with a comment like that.

    From all reports, Moulton’s a very bright man; what he’s pushing here is the political theory most favorable to his own personal agenda.

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    ThresherK says:

    Me: “Seth Moulton is dropping out.”

    Wife: “From your phrasing I imagine he’s a Dem prez candidate, otherwise I don’t know who he is.”

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    Baud says:

    @NotMax:

    Bennett was whining too. Why is everyone going all Bernie on us? Dems aren’t going to tailor the primaries to each person’s individual desires.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Baud:

    Ahem. BENNET

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    zhena gogolia says:

    If anything, I like him because Asshole tried to make fun of him. Raised him a lot in my eyes.

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    Baud says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Not as long as he’s whining.

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    Marcopolo says:

    @NotMax: Well, the only reasonable response to folks like Moulton, Bennet & Williamson (the later 2 complained in front of the DNC today about the unfair hurdles to make the Sept. debate) is to point out that Andrew Yang has come out of nowhere with no party ties whatsoever and has managed to meet the qualifications. And alongside that comment I will add I have actually now seen a Yang 2020 sign in a yard about a mile from my house. I think this means it is time for me to bite the bullet and get a Warren sign up in my yard.

    And on that note have any other jackals outside of the first 4 (IA, NH, NV, and SC) seen any D presidential candidate signs up in their neck of the woods?

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    debbie says:

    @Yarrow:

    I hope someone questions the wizened gnome that is his father how his son’s behavior fits into his own Christian ethos.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Marcopolo:

    No, but the local slumlord has TRUMP 2020 flags flying in front of all of his rat-trap apartment complexes.

    ETA: BENNET

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    dmsilev says:

    @Marcopolo: Someone near me (Los Angeles area) has a couple of Beto lawn signs up. They had those signs up (same ones, near as I can tell) during his Senate race last year. That’s all I’ve seen so far, though at community events (farmers markets, things like that) I’ve seen canvassers from several, including both Yang and Gabbard.

  35. 35

    @Baud:

    Why is everyone going all Bernie on us?

    Complaining today about the debate rules keeping you off stage only similar to Bernie in kind, but not in degree. It’s maybe a miliBernie. The only way to exceed one Bernie would be to run as an independent/third party or to endorse the other party’s candidate.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Anne Laurie:
    If he just wasn’t sharp that would be all him.
    But he’s playing in a crowed field (box) and seems to have his finger firmly off the pulse of the nation. That’s not a good look for an even ex presidential candidate.
    Another way.
    He may be a very smart man but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have huge blind spots.

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    @dmsilev:
    The Sandersnistas are out at my local farmer’s market pretty regularly.

  38. 38
    Marcopolo says:

    Two quotes from tweets:

    A missed opportunity:

    If the estate tax were still its 1941-1976 rate, David Koch would have just contributed $45 billion to the national treasury.

    Brad Johnson @climatebrad

    Real progress:

    Fairly astonishing: in the past decade, white men have fallen from 60% to 39% of all House Democrats. Meanwhile, they’ve risen from 87% to 90% of all House Republicans.

    David Wasserman @redistrict

    Last but not least the thing that got the biggest laugh out of me today (hope this works):

    <a href="

    Manifest Destiny's Child https://t.co/42mTEy5r0N— Anthony DeRosa🗽 (@Anthony) August 23, 2019

    “>

  39. 39
    debbie says:

    @Marcopolo:

    No, but I’ve seen a few “Anybody but Trump” bumper stickers on pick-up trucks.

    ETA: I have seen a Hillary sign still up, leaning against the front of the house.

  40. 40
    Chyron HR says:

    @Yarrow:

    Will Bernie start demanding that the DNC throw out the primary results and declare him the nominee by fiat before the primary has even started this time?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: Bennett was whining too. Why is everyone going all Bernie on us? Dems aren’t going to tailor the primaries to each person’s individual desires.

    If anything, I think the standards for getting into the debates were (2nd) and definitely are (3rd) too damn low. If you’re a US Senator from a good-sized state, or one of the largest, and you can’t crack 2%, that’s not on Tom Perez. If you can’t convince people to send you a dollar, no matter how pathetic your begging, how’re you gonna get them to vote for you?

  42. 42
    chris says:

    Remember when Moulton seemed exciting? That was 5 years ago when he primaried an entrenched Dem and went on to win. Somewhat later we find out that he’s the most “bi-partisan” Democratic member from New England.(see wikipedia) See y’around, Seth.

    OT for fun, here is large kitty, Mr. B., on TV demonstrating his independence.

    We heard BIG things about Mr. B…And so we had @MorrisAnimal bring him in! We just didn’t know this cat would steal the show lol pic.twitter.com/qirP1oCCEf— Alex Holley (@AlexHolleyFOX29) 23 August 2019

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Rep. Moulton is now free to take my advice (worth every penny I was paid for it!), join forces with Bill Weld, and run against Trump on the venerable, if nearly extinct, New England Republican ticket.

    What he would have been 50 years ago isn/t really germane. He’s a Democrat. Do you also contend that racist.Southerners should really be Democrats because that is what they would have been in 1964?

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    Another Scott says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: Yeah.

    I heard snippets of “1A” on NPR this morning, while I was flipping stations, trying to find something that didn’t infuriate me. One of the guests was talking (at great length) about how Democrats were (simultaneously, mind you) infuriated and anxious about how many candidates were running and yet not paying attention because there were so many candidates running, and how it was great that (as of this morning) only 10 candidates qualified for the next debate. And how it would be even better if there were far fewer.

    Just about every political reporter that I hear talks this way. The system has to satisfy their need for immediate gratification or “voters” will punish the candidates. Only the political reporters know what’s “really” going on and the Democratic candidates are always doing it wrong. Or something similar.

    It’s tiring.

    Of course candidates are going to drop out, of course there will be winnowing. But the idea that candidates must drop out 4+ months before anyone even votes because TV producers refuse to put up a sensible debate format for them is stupid. The debates were getting good ratings. Most of the country wasn’t paying much attention, but most of the country doesn’t pay attention to politics period. But people interested in politics got the opportunity to hear some unfiltered soundbites about issues. Of course the political reporters hate it – they hate not being gate-keepers…

    /rant

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Baud:

    Why is everyone going all Bernie on us? Dems aren’t going to tailor the primaries to each person’s individual desires.

    That’s the one thing I fault Perez for: Once Bernie established that working the refs could get the desired results, obviously every other loser would try replicating it.

    All the usual suspects would’ve wailed like scalded weasels if Perez had sensibly said too bad, so sad — but they were gonna screech regardless. Even if the DNC awarded St. Sanders the nomination up front, the way the RNC is doing for Trump, the BernieBros would’ve bitched that their god-emperor had been ‘cheated’ when Trump won reelection. Hell, those dudes are so delusional in their ‘purity’, they’d probably have insisted Sanders turn down the nomination because it hadn’t been offered with sufficient flattery!

  46. 46
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Another Scott: I think the consensus on this blog matches that of the pundits.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    If anything, I like him because Asshole tried to make fun of him. Raised him a lot in my eyes.

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure Moulton gleefully counted that tweet as a valuable contribution to his next campain — for whichever office that might be.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: People here are paying attention. Mostly.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    What he would have been 50 years ago isn/t really germane. He’s a Democrat.

    True. But I kinda miss the New England Republicans, and it’s not like Moulton is taking my advice anyway!

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    NotMax says:

    @Omnes Omnibus

    consensus on this blog

    Norman, coordinate.

    :)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    The O’Bros (2/3 of them WASPy white guys from the (I gather) leafier parts of the Boston metropolitan area) were big on Moulton. I was impressed by what I’d heard about him until their interview. A lot of blather about how there was so much bipartisan camaraderie in the House gym. The next thing I heard was he was, or hoped to be, one of the ring-leaders of the anti-Pelosi movement. When asked why, the best reason he could stammer out was something about generational change. Then he announced he was running for president. He shrank, at least in my estimation, at every step of his career.

    a rebellious role in the Democratic caucus as a scathing critic of Speaker Nancy Pelosi,

    I must have missed the “scathing”, my impression was more, “dithering and even a little surprised to be asked to explain himself”

  52. 52
    dexwood says:

    Seth drops out. Great. He was never really in. I’ll add this news to the snooze file.

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    justawriter says:

    “Moulton withdrawal stuns millions who didn’t realize he was running” – headline probably too obvious for the Onion.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I think the consensus on this blog matches that of the pundits.

    Not unless the pundits all agree that they need to be beaten severely.

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    hells littlest angel says:

    @NotMax:

    personality counts for more than policy

    Or maybe – just maybe – you might entertain for an instant the concept that your policies suck.

    Still, his point — that he has a terrible personality — stands.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NotMax: I hereby order you not to do that.

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    MazeDancer says:

    Only a dim, arrogant white boy would think he was likely to win a Democratic Primary, which is decided by women, after he attacked Nancy Pelosi.

    Seth gonna be lucky to hold onto his seat. Lotta women in Western Mass, too.

    @AThornton: Nice money for nothing.

    Actually have it on extremely good authority that de Blasio is running because he wants the money. And he is shaking down every City supplier/interested party he can.

    He is not a rich guy, so a couple a million will make an easier retirement.

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    NotMax says:

    Awaiting the resurrected Friday foodie post. (impatiently taps foot)

    As whining seems an in thing today, thought might as well join in.

    ;)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NotMax:

    Awaiting the resurrected Friday foodie post.

    I thought that was the Popeye’s chicken sandwich.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    anybody else watching the live Hayes program and thinking “well, they oughtn’t do this again”?

  61. 61
    Jay says:

    @Another Scott:

    Try being a protestor. One is always protesting “wrong” no matter how one is protesting.

    When the Hong Kong protestors took over the Hong Kong Parliament, one of them graffitiied a wall with a message.

    “Peaceful Protest Does Not Work”,

    “You Taught Me That.”

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    Yarrow says:

    @dmsilev: @debbie: I saw a Pete bumper sticker on a car yesterday. First campaign sign or sticker of any type I’ve seen so far.

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    NotMax says:

    @TenguPhule

    “Parts is parts.” (ref.)

    :)

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Yarrow:

    I have a Kamala sticker on my car. Along with Hillary/Kaine, Obama/Biden, and Kerry/Edwards.

  65. 65
    Yarrow says:

    @zhena gogolia: I’m sure I’ll start to see more bumper stickers and signs but so far that’s all I’ve seen. Except for the Klobuchar person who approached me a week ago or so at a park. He was wearing a Klobuchar t-shirt.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    What are they doing?

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    NotMax says:

    @Yarrow

    He was wearing a Klobuchar t-shirt.

    At least until she notices it missing from her wardrobe.

    ;)

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @NotMax:

    She’ll have a tantrum!

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    Yarrow says:

    @NotMax: I can’t remember now if it said Amy or Klobuchar on it. Made a huge impression, obviously.

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    zadig says:

    Many Democrats will never forgive him for orchestrating a coup aimed at overthrowing Nancy Pelosi as House speaker

    I really hate this phrasing. Maybe some people “will never forgive him,” but I don’t have to forgive anything. Bad decisions aren’t something to forgive. He’s a deeply stupid man for trying to go at Pelosi, and that poor judgment showed me he’ll never be my preferred candidate for president.

    Do you “forgive” someone who loses their data without a backup? Or who crosses against the light and gets clipped by an ice cream truck? Honestly.

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    Catherine D. says:

    @NotMax: Me too! Although I’ve been cooking up a storm with this week’s CSA veg. And I have hot peppers and tomatillos yet to use. Salsa, here I come!

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Marcopolo: CA has a fair few signs up. I know a few people with retread Sanders signs they brought out. saw a couple Warren, Biden and Kamala signs out near my neighborhood, and the neighbors that used to have Trump signs aren’t putting them back out.

    It’s early, though.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: a more or less typical show, but with applause. The effect is weird. Hayes’ eternal grad student persona in a seminar stage-managed like the Tonight Show. Pete Souza was brought out from backstage to applause– he’s actually a pretty good guest for the format, but the whole thing just feels weird.

    I enjoy Hayes’ town halls, when they don’t involve Himself from Vermont, but this just feels off.

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    ola azul says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    Choosing to cut his (obvious) losses now and hunker down in his home district (lovely place in the autumn — tourists come from all over the world for the scenery, no lie) to await further developments is IMO the smartest move for him right now.

    Nothing became Seth quite so well as his autumnal presidential ambitions gone a-Moulton. Best call he’s made inna series of bad ones.

    Allus imagine Moulton saying, “All right, guys, let’s do this!” and charging forward, limbs akimbo, all enthusiasm bereft of ability, utterly alone, then him finally realizing his ridiculous islolation, and then looking back forlornly at peeps who din’t wanna “do this!” who’re avoiding eye contact and toeing the dirt aimlessly. Hope his military career treated him better.

    Now if only Moulton Seth’s mentor maundering Uncle Joe would flame out into Moulton Joe, I’d feel like genuine progress will’ve been made.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I never watch Chris Hayes. I find him harmful.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Is he on location, or does he have an audience in his studio?

    Does sound weird.

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    Jay says:

    They're so bad at this 🤣 pic.twitter.com/Ej2GdF0FZ6— Cédric Salvador (@SalvadorCedric) August 23, 2019

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @debbie: Saw one of Cole’s “Any Functioning Adult 2020” bumpersnickers on the rear window of an SUV in Baltimore t’other day.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @MazeDancer:

    Seth gonna be lucky to hold onto his seat. Lotta women in Western Mass, too.

    Not Western MA; the nicer North Shore suburbs (Beverly, Manchester-by-the-Sea), along with bits of Salem & Gloucester who vote ‘male Dem’ reliably. If his district was further towards Albany, very few of his voters would’ve complained about him challenging Pelosi — it’s split between conservaDems and a noisy minority of Sarandon-style purity ponies out there, AFAICT.

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    Spanky says:

    @Yarrow:

    I find him harmful.

    True. After hearing him for an hour I feel like cutting someone.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @NotMax: It’s up.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: a different studio, as I understand. At least people are only applauding and not yelling “Woo!’ at every name-drop or statement they agree with, which is why I can’t listen to the O’Bros’ live podcasts anymore.

    @Yarrow: really? I tend to think his audience is already committed, and probably not large enough to affect broad opinion. The frequency of guests like Mo Brooks and a couple other R ‘critters is annoying, as he’s too nice to push back hard, but I always wonder if that’s his decision, or what’s his name upstairs who was Matt Lauer’s protector and hired Megan Kelly.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think he’s horseshoe left.

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    Raven says:

    Our neighbors lost their 9 yr old Aussie 10 days ago when she got spooked by a smoke alarm and ran off. It’s been quite and effort and she was seen being nicked by a car but Rosie made it home!!!

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    Yarrow says:

    @Raven: Aww..that’s great news! Ten days is a long time.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    Since it’s an OT, I’d like to note that my least favorite Bernie Bro on the Great Orange Satan has written another entitled, self-victimizing screed (including a dig at Kos for “hating the left”), but at least this time he’s also saying he won’t post any more.

    So that’s nice. I won’t have to listen to him gush enthusiastically at Bernie and put down all the other candidates for increasingly silly reasons. Too bad too, because some of his earlier writings g on Israel/Palestine was actually quite good.

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    Raven says:

    @Yarrow: Especially when someone saw her get grazed on a really busy street and it’s been incredibly hot!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: in re your posting of the Rich Kids’ classic “ghosts of princes in towers”, it’s a shame that the band lasted only one album. They made solid late seventies/early eighties rock far better than the Ultravox music that rose from its ashes.

    Ultravox and U2 hit MTV at the same time, and I used to confuse them. Yeah, not for long though!

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    debbie says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    I like that bumper sticker even better!

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    Jay says:

    The worst, most corrupt president in American history and the only primary challengers the GOP can come up with was the 2016 Libertarian VP candidate and a guy who used to dress up like Obama’s birth certificate at Tea Party rallies. – LOLGOP

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    Is he related to Sarah Moulton?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Yarrow: I saw a Warren bumper sticker on the back of a car parked in my blood-red little town. : )

    I’m not big into political bumper stickers, myself, but am glad to see something else around here besides “Bernie” and “Trump/Pence”.

    @zadig:

    Do you “forgive” someone who loses their data without a backup? Or who crosses against the light and gets clipped by an ice cream truck? Honestly.

    OK, that made laugh. I am a bad person, obviously.

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    Dan B says:

    @Marcopolo: My faves:

    (I’m Calling) The Police

    TJ Maxx Clearance Rack

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: I saw one in Rocky Mountain NP on Wed.

    Hooray! The wingnuts have gone home, back across the lines. The two people of the clan I believed to be the sanest (my sisters) turned out to be lost cases as well.

    No further need to investigate family.

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    Ken says:

    @Ruckus:

    his finger firmly off the pulse of the nation

    I am totally stealing this.

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    NotMax says:

    If you’re at all politically plugged in and plan to watch today’s Maddow’s show on rerun, skip it. Total waste of an hour of TV time, regurgitating clips from the first two debates.

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    Dan B says:

    Is Seth Moulton a Third Way Dem? If so it fits with David Koch’s decease since the Koch’s were the real money behind Third Way. Were, or their foundation will Zombie on with making democracy an oil fire.

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    Jay says:

    Calling David Koch a philanthropist is like calling Hannibal Lecter a chef. https://t.co/TvjRUrJouL— Adam Best (@adamcbest) August 23, 2019

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    Jay says:

    Fuckin weird how all these dudes keep getting arrested for a terrorism or a threat of terrorism and they all hung out together but ok they’re lone wolves— Emily G is absolutely going to replace you (@EmilyGorcenski) August 21, 2019

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Vienna is pretty cool.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @schrodingers_cat: If you mean the celebrity chef Sara Moulton, maybe collaterally? She’s 20-something years older then Seth, and per Wikipedia they were born in different states (she in NYC, he in Salem MA) so they could be second or third cousins, but neither one seems to be pushing a relationship.

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    Jay says:

    Two days before @HamiltonPride, police wanted to know what time it started, who might show up, and where? Shouldn't @HamiltonPolice already have this information, especially given homophobic demonstrators crashed the festival a year earlier?https://t.co/drVQNCoNtg— Hamilton Spectator (@TheSpec) August 21, 2019

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    Yarrow says:

    I didn’t realize this race was tied. We need a fundraiser for McCready.

    We are tied in the polls, but the outside Super PACs are blasting me with almost $5 mm in false attack ads. We can win this race in just 3 weeks, but we can only do it with your help. Please chip in today! https://t.co/LYEHgAHq5S pic.twitter.com/BG04RRmXjY— Dan McCready (@McCreadyForNC) August 19, 2019

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Yarrow: amazing what happens when a candidate receives basic vetting and people are allowed to see how much of an asshole they are.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Agh, what? The possibility of Seth Moulton taking the Senate seat is the first really good reason I’ve heard not to vote for Warren.

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    Marcopolo says:

    @Yarrow: I’ve made a couple modest contributions to his campaign. What I really don’t understand is why it seems the D party committees (and super PACs) haven’t thrown virtually any support behind him. They did give him money for Nov 2018 but not for this special. Makes no sense at all to me but maybe it is still residual Ossoff special election fatigue. Of course, the R’s are throwing shit tons of money at the R candidate. Here is an article from last week.

    Outside money pours into North Carolina ahead of special election

    Leading the charge is the National Republican Congressional Committee, which has dropped $1.1 million on the race so far. All of that funding has gone toward TV ads attacking McCready, citing his connections to lobbyists and his support for tax breaks for renewable energy initiatives. McCready founded an investment fund for solar energy in 2013.

    The NRCC has reserved a total of $2.6 million in air time leading up to the election, according to Politico.

    Two conservative super PACs — the Congressional Leadership Fund and Club for Growth Action — have also thrown their support behind Bishop, spending a combined $1.3 million on the race. Both those groups have sponsored independent canvassing for the Republican nominee in addition to running ads.

    McCready’s biggest outside support has come from the Environmental Defense Action Fund and its super PAC, EDF Action Votes, which have spent a combined $586,000 backing the Democrat. The Marine veteran also has the support of the “dark money” group VoteVets Action Fund, which has spent $227,000 so far.

    The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which spent more than $1 million supporting McCready during the 2018 cycle, has yet to wade into the election with independent expenditures this year. The Washington Post reported last week that the DCCC said in a memo to Democratic lawmakers that it is committed to supporting McCready.

    The liberal 501(c)(4) Patriot Majority USA also spent nearly $1 million supporting McCready during the 2018 cycle but has yet to spend on his behalf this time around.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Marcopolo: I don’t get it either. Maybe the internal polling isn’t that great.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Ken:
    Be my guest.
    Try the veal.
    Don’t forget to tip the waitstaff

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    Zinsky says:

    I didn’t know that Seth Moulton had dropped IN!

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