David Koch is Dead

One down, one to go. If there was any justice in the world, once he and his brother are dead the kids who inherit the wealth would then spend their fortunes on greenpeace and black lives matter and voting rights organizations and the like. I remember one of their kids is some trustafarian who made the worlds ugliest shirts:

David’s son is apparently a glibertarian.

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    Elizabelle says:


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    Whatever their politics, the kids are unlikely to be obsessed with forcing it on the rest of the country. The Koch Brothers are willing to spend more than they gain, and they gain a lot.

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    Mart says:

    I dunno Cole, think those shirts would look good on you.

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    Kay says:

    I can’t keep the Koch Bros straight but about six months ago one of them launched a fake “bipartisan” new venture to gut public schools. So they’re still at it full bore. They just got quieter, with slightly better marketing. VERY slick. Old hard Right wine, new bottles.

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    Kay says:

    Moulton dropped out. Now we just need ten more.
    I liked Inslee. I would have kept him. He grows on you. I hope we don’t keep the jerks and lose the good ones.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Hope all the coal that sack of shit dug out of the ground is being shoveled into the furnaces of hell as I write. Also hope his foul sibling joins him there ASAP.

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    tokyokie says:

    Anybody who wears a long-sleeve aloha shirt is a knucklehead. And anybody who designs such is essentially hopeless. If you’re going to spend $100+ on an aloha shirt, why wouldn’t you get something cool from Reyn Spooner rather than this Koch krap? And I speak these truths from the vantage point of someone who has designed aloha shirt fabric.

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    the Conster says:

    This is a good start to my birthday, not gonna lle.

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    B.B.A. says:

    Stop, traveler, and piss.

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    joel hanes says:


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    Lapassionara says:

    Ding, dong . . ..

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    Ian G. says:

    I’d honestly rather have Sheldon Adelson kick the bucket before either Koch brother, but I’m not exactly mourning this.

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    Yarrow says:

    Is David the one who was sick? Or the one who forced the sick brother to get out of the business?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ian G.: i’ll take the Mercers before any of them. That includes Robert Mercer and his kids. Maybe the grandkids too but I don’t know enough about them.

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    Aleta says:

    (WaPo) (James) Dyer, who covers film and TV for Empire magazine in the United Kingdom, detailed (on twitter) how the CBP agent accused him of “being part of the ‘fake news media’” before launching into a “surprising and inappropriate” diatribe that echoed rhetoric used by President Trump in his frequent attacks against the media. Dyer told The Washington Post he had flown from London to Los Angeles for Disney’s D23 Expo in Anaheim, Calif., where he plans to write about Star Wars.

    James Dyer@jamescdyer

    ‏He wanted to know if I’d ever worked for CNN or MSNBC or other outlets that are “spreading lies to the American people.” He aggressively told me that journalists are liars and are attacking their democracy. 2:14 PM – 22 Aug 2019

Apparently the only truth now comes from YouTube and the president. All this said under a CBP sign that says “we are the face of our nation.” And with a framed picture of 45 staring down. In fucking California!!! Welcome to Trump’s America!

    He let me go after I said that I was just here to write about Star Wars, and would keep the fake news about that to a bare minimum. Thankfully the statute of limitations has expired on @ChrisHewitt’s 5 star review of Attack Of The Clones…

    The fact that I had been watching Years And Years on the plane made it particularly poignant! This isn’t news but the malignant affect this presidency has had on what was once a beacon of democracy and freedom is absolutely chilling.

To clarify for those (kindly) saying this was illegal detention, I wasn’t detained or taken into a room. This all happened at the visa/passport/fingerprint check and only lasted a couple of minutes. He made no attempt to physically detain me beyond the questions (and lecture).

    [… ] (T)o answer the questions I’m mainly getting…

- Yes it did happen (and calling this fake news in itself is more irony than my jetlagged mind can take).

    – No I wasn’t mistreated or detained in any way. Questions at customs are to be expected while fingerprinting etc is going on. It’s just the fake news/MSM diatribe that was surprising and inappropriate.


- No I didn’t get his name or make a complaint. As I said, he didn’t mistreat me so while I despair that an official made these comments and that these troubling views have clearly been so normalised, I didn’t take it any further. (I just moaned about it on twitter!)

    (Post) In April, the United States’ ranking in the annual World Freedom Press Index dropped for a third year in a row, a decline researchers attributed to Trump’s incendiary language, The Washington Post’s Paul Farhi reported. This year, for the first time since the index was launched in 2002, the treatment of journalists in the United States was classified as “problematic.”

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    Yarrow says:

    @the Conster: Happy Birthday! Hope the day continues to get better and better!

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    Ian G. says:


    Yes, this. Please sink your inheritance into shitty business ventures, heirs, rather than obsessively trying to turn the country into a paradise like El Salvador.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Lot of nil nisi bonum proponents on here.

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    the Conster says:


    Thanks Yarrow! There’s so little good news these days, I’ll take it where I can get it. There are so many others on my “I wish they would just die already” list, and the day is still young, so fingers crossed!

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    zhena gogolia says:


    He’s the one who was sick.

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    E. says:

    An obituary to be read with great satisfaction.

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    Yarrow says:

    @zhena gogolia: Thanks. So the one without the power, who the even more evil brother had already kicked to the curb. So, basically nothing changes.

    @the Conster: LOL. That made me laugh. Have a great day!

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    Nina says:

    The glibertarian is Charles’s son. David’s kids are under 25, he married in 1998.

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    HalfAssedHomesteader says:

    The way it seems to work is the sense of entitlement accrues with each generation. I fully expect the next generation to be even worse. No one needs to be a billionaire. No one.

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    SFAW says:

    @the Conster:
    Congrats! Happy Birthday! And many more!!

    With any luck, the gods will take notice of that gift, and finish off the rest of the RWMFs who are destroying this country, to REALLY make it a birthday to remember.

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    rikyrah says:

    This is why I believe in Hell.

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    Aleta says:

    @the Conster:
    Happy 🍀 Birthday 🌅 to you! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

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    Steeplejack says:


    Yeah, I saw Inslee on Rachel Maddow’s show when he dropped out, and I liked him. Not as a presidential candidate, but I could see him as head of the EPA or, dare I dream, “climate czar.”

    It always (mildly) surprises me that most people’s “I’m announcing for president” ads are such by-the-book clichés that it kills any sense of who they are. Ten minutes with Maddow was better than whatever he spent on all his ads.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @the Conster:

    Happy birthday! 🎉🎂

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    the Conster says:


    Thanks SFAW! I’ve been waiting for Cheney to die since 2008. He’s been #1 on my PLEASE JUST FUCKING DIE ALREADY list for years, but has been surpassed by guess who.

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    West of the Rockies says:


    I’d put Moulton in the jerk category, personally.

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    JPL says:

    thoughts and prayers

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steeplejack: I always feel the same about failed presidential candidates. They lose the election, go quiet for a few months, then turn up on some late night show and they’re relaxed, funny, and engaging. I always think, “Where was that person during the election?”

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    JPL says:

    @the Conster: Happy Birthday. May you have many other joyous announcements throughout the day.

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    Mike in Pasadena says:

    Glibrtarians are just too embarrassed to admit they are Republicans.

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    Raven says:

    @Yarrow: The pucker factor.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    I won’t attend the Koch funeral, but I will send a nice letter saying I approve.

    (With a nod to Twain.)

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    Tinare says:

    His is a grave that needs to have a built in dance floor for sure. These are the deaths that make me hope for an afterlife with a vengeful god.

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    gvg says:

    @Yarrow: Maybe that means they wouldn’t deal well with the pressures of the actual job.

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    Steeplejack says:





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    ThresherK says:

    As Jack Benny’s violin instructor (Mel Blanc) said, when Benny broke a string:

    That’s one!

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    Steeplejack says:

    Well, I’m off to take the housecat to see some alleged ninja-level groomer about removing some hair mats. I think they are really bothering her and have contributed to some odd behavior lately. And who doesn’t like a spa day?

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    Yarrow says:

    I know nothing about this case except for seeing a headline or two but this is funny.

    From this story: The White House wanted A$AP Rocky to publicly thank President Trump and the administration for his release, in a move they hoped would help them with black people, but the rapper reportedly ghosted them upon arrival back to the US. https://t.co/MPwjN9w3N5— Steadman™ (@AsteadWesley) August 23, 2019

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    @Mike in Pasadena:

    Glibrtarians are just too embarrassed to admit they are Republicans.

    For the Kochs, I think the ‘libertarian’ act is a scam. Remember they ran the Teabaggers, and given a choice of candidates overwhelmingly picked social conservative bigoted nutjobs rather than merely economically right-wing nutjobs. They don’t want to be perceived as the hate-driven, racist, conspiracy-obsessed Birchers they are.

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    @the Conster: A very happy birthday to you, fellow jackal!

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    catclub says:


    The way it seems to work is the sense of entitlement accrues with each generation

    yeah, they will be even more likely to say that “nothing was ever given to me, I earned my place in the world.”

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    catclub says:


    This is why I believe in Hell.

    “I don’t believe in God, but the God I don’t believe in is a kind and forgiving God, not the angry jealous God that you all talk about.”

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    chris says:

    @the Conster: Woohoo! Happy birthday!

    OT: My new Canadian passport just arrived. Comes with a printed set of instructions and, new to me, a separate little card that says in very large print: Don’t travel internationally with Cannabis.

    Gee, ya think?

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    Mike in NC says:

    Any day with one less Kochsucker is a good day.

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    donnah says:


    Just did this. We took our himalayan Fiona to the groomer and she was shaved except for her head, tail, and legs. She looks adorable, like a little cat wearing Uggs.

    She’s older, adopted ten years ago when she came to our front porch and decided she wanted to live here. We had no choice, and she’s been an indoor cat ever since. But probably due to her advanced age, she isn’t grooming herself like she used to, and the mats took over. I know it was making her uncomfortable when she lies down and it had to be hot.

    Now she’s a pretty girl again.

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    Miss Bianca says:


    And who doesn’t like a spa day?

    Uh…if it involves water in any way, I’d say…a cat?

    ETA: Still giggling a little over “ninja-level groomer.” Very odd images coming to mind.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    You certainly shouldn’t bring your cannabis stash when you visit Malaysia. I’ve mentioned quite a few times that the threshold amount for a capital trafficking charge here is very low.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Our world is better for David Koch having left it.

    Next up, Charles. And Mitch McConnell. Neither deserves the breath he draws. They are from hell.

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    Jager says:


    My grandson bought an Aloha bowling shirt in a thrift shop on the Big Island. It has Hilo Plumbing Supply on the back and the original owner’s name was Stan. At 17, he thinks it is the coolest shirt in the freaking world. His pals in Santa Cruz agree.

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    chris says:

    @Steeplejack: @donnah: Good luck! Pumpkin goes twice a year to the groomers. She hates the car but loves having her matts buzzed off. Purrs so hard she blows bubbles.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    If A$AP Rocky started cozying up to Trump, he would probably find himself having to apologise to his fans.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Jager: He is absolutely correct.

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    chris says:

    @Amir Khalid: Of course. I laughed because it reminded me of: Do not iron shirt while wearing it.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Isn’t David Koch the one who almost died in a plane crash and on a mission from God?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Should you guys be gloating like this over the death of a commenter?

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    geg6 says:

    This is the kind of day I wish I believed in heaven and hell. Because that mother fucker surely would go to hell if there was one.

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    Raven says:

    @Jager: My niece is a Banana Slug.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Yarrow: a combination of trump’s racism and obsession with TeeVee and notions of fame and celebrity: “How can they say I’m against The Blacks? Do they not see me on TeeVee with Kanye? and when I got the king of Denmark to free ASAP Rockne? even though his wife was very nasty to me”

    And good for ASAP Rocky for blowing off the fat fuck

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    Miss Bianca says:

    David Koch was actually the only one of the Koch Brothers I ever met. Briefly. Very briefly. At a social gathering in Paonia, where he owned one of the local coal mines. He actually did give money away locally, so I snagged some for my library-based literacy program, because hey, I ain’t proud. That money helped fund ESL programming for local migrant workers, I got some grim pleasure out of that factoid.

    He also bought this huge complex outside the neighboring hamlet of Somerset. Had tanks and all kinds of weird boy-toys out there. One of the tanks used to make an appearance at the Cherry Days parade (Fourth of July) which caused a bit of controversy. One of the Paonia town councilors (who was also my hairdresser at the time) actually stopped it going down the street one time by standing in front of it Tianamen Square-style. He avoided the grisly fate of the Tianamen Square protestors. Got a lot of flak for spoiling the fun and shaming the local big rich boy, tho’.

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    Central Planning says:


    And who doesn’t like a spa day?


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    Miss Bianca says:


    My niece is a Banana Slug.

    This is one of those times and phrases where, if I didn’t know the context, I’d be seriously wondering about the commenter.

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    Elizabelle says:


    She looks adorable, like a little cat wearing Uggs.

    Very fashion forward. Fiona is smiling, too.

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    trollhattan says:

    @the Conster:
    I’d like to petition for a Kissinger slot on your list, pretty please. Thank you for considering my proposal.

    As to the now-discontinued Koch the elder, I don’t expect any more improvements from Koch Industries+politics then we got at Walmart from the Sam Walton heirs. Bidnez as usual.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: My mother is a fish. Jewel’s mother is a horse.

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    Eljai says:


    This is the kind of day I wish I believed in heaven and hell. Because that mother fucker surely would go to hell if there was one.

    Yeah, he should at least have to experience the effects of climate change like the rest of us!

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    Booger says:

    @HalfAssedHomesteader: IIRC the Koch brothers were strongly influenced by the Soviet seizure of dad’s oil infrastructure back in the day, plus a literal Nazianz nanny. That’s some strong sauce to marinate kids in.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m trying to remember what I would be. Oh, Wolverine! WOLVERINES!!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    The King of Israel has issued a Royal Decree, a Diktat, an Ukase, a Bull!

    Donald J. Trump @ realDonaldTrump
    Our Country has lost, stupidly, Trillions of Dollars with China over many years. They have stolen our Intellectual Property at a rate of Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year, & they want to continue. I won’t let that happen! We don’t need China and, frankly, would be far….
    ….better off without them. The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing..
    ….your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China’s Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States. Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,….
    ….all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop – it didn’t. Our Economy, because of our gains in the last 2 1/2 years, is MUCH larger than that of China. We will keep it that way!

    “hereby”…. I think helped him write this one. Or maybe Eric is reading a Golden Book about a mighty king.

    Will the skittish deer of Wall St panic, or are they ignoring him at this point? ETA: Markets off by more than 1%. I don’t follow them closely, but I think I saw about an hour ago they were more or less flat. I don’t pretend to understand how Wall St folk read their goat entrails. Aren’t they all supposed to be at the Cape or the Hamptons till Labor Day?

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    WereBear says:

    @B.B.A.: Talk about your “Find a Grave” action.

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    Yarrow says:

    @trollhattan: I’m just imagining if someone one like Kissinger or Cheney also died today. Can you imagine how fearful the evil old white guys would be? “Am I going to be number 3? Is today my day?” Heh.

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    Ruckus says:

    Nice burn.

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    jl says:

    @Yarrow: Heard on the news that Trump is (very falsely) claiming that doctors, during his visit to El Paso, abandoned operations and ER patients, since meeting with the greatest president ever was more important. Trump is deteriorating fast.

    If we’re lucky, as his approval rating drops, he’ll just withdraw into reality nutty fantasies and broadcasting them on twitter.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: The presence of wolverines in As I Lay Dying would have improved it immensely.

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    Kelly says:

    Trump on twitter this morning

    Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China

    He can’t possibly believe any great American company will comply. What a pure play for aggrieved, ignorant voters.

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    Martin says:

    Meet your anti-vaxxers:

    Along with the streamed Facebook video (which you can watch here), advocate Kenneth Austin Bennett wrote: “… yes, I pushed Richard Pan for lying, laughing at us, and for treason.” He added in the video that if Pan “got what he deserved, he would be hanged for treason for assaulting children, for misrepresenting the truth.”
    Bennett had previously accused Pan of treason in a recall petition he filed against Pan earlier this year. In the petition, Bennett cited Pan’s legislation aimed at tightening rules for vaccination exemptions in California. Bennett had also previously challenged Pan in the 2018 primary but did not qualify for the general election.

    ‘treason’. Simplest conceivable machine language algorithm to detect extremists.

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    LuciaMia says:

    A$AP Rocky to publicly thank President Trump and the administration for his release, i

    Uhhh, except they didnt. I thought he was found guilty but released for time served.

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    lurker dean says:


    David Koch has died. In lieu of flowers please construct a shadow network of tax deductible shell companies to donate to the further perpetuation of environmental destruction and income inequality.— Josh Gondelman (@joshgondelman) August 23, 2019

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: “As I Lay Dying: Red Dawn edition”

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    Ruckus says:

    Who doesn’t like a spa day?
    And some dogs. The ornery bastard didn’t like spa day so much every groomer in the area told me after the first time, “Never bring him back.” I had to learn to groom him myself because he could grow hair faster than any other animal alive. First step, muzzle. Second step, work fast, don’t worry about being dainty, it will grow back too soon no matter what you do.

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    LuciaMia says:

    he’ll just withdraw into reality nutty fantasies and broadcasting them on twitter.

    Recommending empty Kleenex boxes as great bedroom slippers!

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    SFAW says:

    @the Conster:

    I’ve been waiting for Cheney to die since 2008. He’s been #1 on my PLEASE JUST FUCKING DIE ALREADY list for years, but has been surpassed by guess who.

    Although I assume his evil has not abated, he’s been passed by so many in the Maladministration.

    Maybe we can get them to have a steel-cage death match melee? I’d pay good money to see that. Can you talk to your birthday angels, see if they can help us out on that?

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    Martin says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Market fell 350 right after that tweet. Investors know the guy is a lunatic.

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    West of the Rockies says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    My mother is a fish.

    Ah, I see someone beat me to it!

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: WTF? Trump has no power to order this stuff.

    Seriously, we have become numb to how crazy this is.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @West of the Rockies: My father was a hamster. No, wait…

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    Martin says:

    Points for headline:

    David Koch Escaped the Climate Hell He Helped Create

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    PPCLI says:

    @Kelly: Is Trump going to start making his merchandise (and the campaign’s merchandise) in the USA? Is Ivana going to start making her line of clothes and shoes in the USA?

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    Ruckus says:


    “nothing was ever given to me, I earned my place in the world.”

    They did earn it, by being born. I know, it’s a hard thing to do, you have to chose your parents correctly, learn that the words ass, asshole, fuckstick, dumbass, and a few more choice ones are endearing, early on, if you want to make it in the hard core world of inherited wealth. All that work, having to take time out of your many days of tanning, drinking, etc, to got to the bank to make a withdrawal from your trust fund, just so you can buy a new Italian sports car.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Donald J. Trump @ realDonaldTrump
    As usual, the Fed did NOTHING! It is incredible that they can “speak” without knowing or asking what I am doing, which will be announced shortly. We have a very strong dollar and a very weak Fed. I will work “brilliantly” with both, and the U.S. will do great…
    ….My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?
    7:57 AM – 23 Aug 2019

    does he know he used sarcasti-quotes around brilliantly?

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    Ruckus says:

    From someone I know who used to work for the family, Sam Walton was the best of the lot. And by a not an insignificant bit.

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Anyone who asks if Powell or Xi is the bigger enemy has had every last marble fall out of his head.

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    chris says:

    Intraday chart of the Dow shows Powell speaking and the market turns positive. Trump tweets and panic ensues, down almost 2%. I won’t be surprised to learn that he and cronies are short everything.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    I know the list of stuff he does know is much shorter than what he doesn’t but really, does he know what an average 4th grader would know?
    NO, he doesn’t. Because that’s the test. He might know what a 3rd grader is supposed to know, but 4th grade and beyond flies right past him. At warp speed.

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    rikyrah says:

    Dow Jones down 434 points.

    So much winning.

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    dww44 says:

    @Yarrow: I so agree with you. If our democracy is gonna be saved, we have to figure out ways to effectively and permanently marginalize the pervasive influence of big money and its owners.

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    joel hanes says:


    Next up, Charles. And Mitch McConnell

    and Rupert Murdoch
    and Richard Bruce Cheney
    and Sheldon Adelson
    and Betsy DeVos and her brother

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I just wonder if Xi giggles or guffaws when he sees this stuff. Or is he with Putin in the cold, sly half-smile faction?

    and does Jay Powell look longingly at the crystal decanter of brown liquor graciously provided in his spacious Jackson Hole suite and think of the Goldman Sachs offer he turned down for this shit and wonder, “is it close enough to lunch?”?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Nuke them all from orbit.

    Only way to be sure.

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    RedDirtGirl says:

    @Miss Bianca: What reference am I missing here?

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Monty Python and the Holy Grail. “Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!”

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    laura says:

    @the Conster: Happy Birthday and many happy bad men death announcements today to you!

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    WereBear says:

    @West of the Rockies: Like Groucho said, surveying the turnout for the most obnoxious Warner Brother: “Give the people what they want.”

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    Don K says:

    @The Moar You Know:
    I wish I believed in a hell that would have an appropriate punishment in store for this pair.

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    PAM Dirac says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:

    “Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!”

    “Now go away before I taunt you a second time!” (said in outrageous accent)

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    J R in WV says:

    Not only did the founding father Koch take offense when Stalin confiscated the petroleum infrastructure Koch had built in Soviet Russia, but Koch grandfather was happy to go the Stalinist Soviet Russia to build a technically advanced oil bidness for Stalin in the first place.

    Being willing to spend years in Soviet Russia building refineries and pipelines and drilling oil wells back then… that was seriously perverted. And he didn’t return to America from Soviet Russia a penniless immigrant, he came home a seriously wealthy sociopath.

    Thanks, Unkle Joe Stalin for all you did for everyone!

    We have had the second wave of workers come and go… the path is newly paved with crusher-run stone, nicely compacted, and the pond is full of new water. Sweet. Two weeks of other people up in our tiny hollow, the new silence is wonderful!! Saw a tiny tree frog hopping across the new path last night, hope they fine the pond. I will have to put a log in to allow them to climb out easily.

    ETA fix typo

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @catclub: yeah, they will be even more likely to say that “nothing was ever given to me, I earned my place in the world.”

    I always thought the under-covered part of Romney’s 47% tape was when he hissed with rage “I inherited nothing!” Which I suspect is technically true, he was probably richer than old George when the latter died. But… son of a governor of one of the largest states in the country, and Cabinet secretary, and Establishment-darling presidential candidate, the Cranbrook School, Harvard, to say nothing of the little post-college nest-egg The Lady Ann giggled about, which IIRC was worth about $350K in 2012 dollars, but they used an old door on sawhorses as a dining room table while eating tuna casserole, so those plucky kids knew from struggling. How dare you suggest he was born on third base!

    There was a “Republican strategist” on Joy Reid’s show last weekend who got apoplectic at the mention of white privilege because he grew up in a trailer park and was the first in his family to go to college, and he worked two full time jobs to get himself through college! He was so mad his eyes got that crazy Ann Coulter quiver and he announced he would say no more.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Trump “hereby orders”? Under what authority? And what is he “ordering” businesses to do, exactly?

    I’d like to laugh, but I can’t.

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    Mandalay says:


    Trump tweets and panic ensues, down almost 2%. I won’t be surprised to learn that he and cronies are short everything.

    This x1000.

    I’m sure Trump, his family and his cronies make gazillions in a day by shorting stocks just before he tweets some carefully contrived idiocy. And unless they are very stupid about it, it is impossible to prove.

    And he’s laughing (at us) all the way to the bank.

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    cynthia ackerman says:


    One of mine, with medium length fur, had severe matting and wouldn’t let me deal with it.

    Then I switched them both from all dry to lo carb all wet food, and the matting quickly disappeared.

    Worth a try if you’re dry feeding. Plus other health benefits.

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    He can’t possibly believe any great American company will comply.

    I see no reason he can’t believe that. He’s dumb as a stump, senile, arrogant, and under huge stress. His history suggests he thinks there should be no limits to his power and has trouble understanding when he is denied. Instead, he’ll be pissed off when he doesn’t get what he wants again.

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    Kelly says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Josh Marshall, Trump’s Razor

    Early on I realized that when it came to Trump if I figured out the stupidest possible scenario that could be reconciled with the available facts and went with it, that almost always turned out to be right.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @joel hanes:

    I’m good with that. The more, the merrier. We will all be. The safer, too. They’re all sociopaths.

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    mrmoshpotato says:

    Nice try Dave, but McTurtle the Fascist Fucker is still getting all the contents of my full bladder.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Ding Dong, David Koch is dead.

    Another grave to piss on.

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    Ruckus says:

    The problem with that approach is to make it work properly you have to think as stupid as trump. Now there are people who can do this. They are called trump supporters. But your average human can’t think that stupidly in the first place. What you have to do is think what would a normal human do, even what is the range of things. Every thing that you leave out, which ever one is the most costly, least likely to do the whatever, most harmful to the largest number of people, that can not possibly benefit anyone in that normal human group, that’s your winner. trumps gift is that is the first thing that comes to him, and with his narcissistic personality, always the right answer. In his tiny, diseased mind.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Oh, please, don’t make me relive it!

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @chris: It’s an important warning.

    I knew a guy who was travelling cross-country in an old ricket station wagon with two friends in the late 90s. They were going to some very right-wing/backwards stops on their way, and they all agreed ahead of time (and repeatedly) not to carry any kind of drugs or illicit tools because they might be targets for some bored fascist cops who’d think these california young teens must be trafficking because they had no other business there.

    Sure enough, when they stopped for gas in a small town in the midwest a cop car circled the gas station three times waiting for them to leave, then immediately pulled them over for a ‘bad break light’ that was coincidentally just fine when they checked it. The cops then intimidated them into allowing them to search the car.

    Turns out one of the kids brought a bong despite their agreement, because he was stupid. They were all thrown into holding cells overnight, one of them with a child rapist as a roommate. They got sprung the next day and the arrest was later declared illegal for obvious reasons.

    But this was in America, with white kids, where they’d agreed ahead of time NOT to do something stupid. These warnings can be really useful to kids – if this had happened in Malaysia, at least one of them would have been in huge trouble.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    ETA: Markets off by more than 1%. I don’t follow them closely, but I think I saw about an hour ago they were more or less flat.

    You can spot the exact moment Wall Street heard Donald Trump’s insanity statement.

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    LivinginExile says:

    Wasn’t Fred Koch a founding member of the John Birch Society?

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    sigyn says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ann Romney is way too pretentious to serve, or admit to eating a casserole. She called it “tuna and pasta”; I remember because it made me laugh & call my mother so she could laugh too.

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    Leto says:

    Way late to this thread but I’m finally checking BJ today and this is probably the second best news I’ve heard this week (first being that I was selected to go down the Philadelphia Union soccer complex and watch them practice, and then eat lunch with them. USO arranged trip via my base). I hope the rule of the idiot children wasting the wealth continues to hold true. Fuck’em.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @RedDirtGirl: Faulkner/Monty Python mash-up.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    May he come to know the meaning of compassion in the afterlife.

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    chris says:


    It’s an important warning.

    Yup, one which some of my compatriots will not heed.

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    jonas says:


    Investors know the guy is a lunatic.

    And yet they all eagerly line up to throw millions at the guy every time he holds a campaign fundraiser in the Hamptons or at Mar-a-Lago. They seem to be enjoying the wild ride just fine. Fucking ghouls.

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    Cemet says:

    @J R in WV: You forget that father Kock sucker of the kock sucker brothers stole all the patient designs from other companies and used this to make the equipment that he then sold – with no royalties paid to the creators – to stalin. He started as a thief, built massive wealth and returned to the U.S. The low life shit then spawned further low life shit that has done its best to ruin this country. Glad one more is dead and soon, the other should follow – asap if we are lucky.

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    J R in WV says:


    Jjust got home from weekly shopping errands — thanks for the education, no surprise at all. He probably believed, and perhaps true, that since Soviet Russia was not signatory to any treaty upholding patents or copyrights he was home free and clear. Like all thieves. Still glad his older son is no longer with us, which is a little bit surprising to me. But only a little bit. Tiny nanometer of surprise.

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